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AGE / VALUE: Sturmey dates posted by: Danny on 12/6/2009 at 2:00:59 PM
I picked up an old bike today which looks from the frame to be from around 1960. I know the usual way of dating from the hub, but the digits are 7C and 2. The hub is in good condition so is definitely 7C and not 70. Anyone have any ideas? For the record by the way its a Norman with Raleigh components which automatically puts it between 1956ish and 1964 but could of course have had a new hub!
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AGE / VALUE: Help Identifying 1951/52 Humber Roadster Please. posted by: Rob C on 12/6/2009 at 1:08:24 PM
I would like to identify the exact model and original colour schemes of my Humber roadster.

It has a Sturmey Archer FG (four speed dynohub), stainless steel rims (26inch), caliper brakes, full chaincase and a steering lock at the junction of down and head tubes. The lock operates a plunger that engages with a plate attached to the fork crown. The forks have single, round section blades. The hub is dated 1951, so I presume the bike to be of the same year or maybe 1952. I know it is a Humber from the riveted head badge.

The frame was originally dark blue but has since been hand painted brown after first removing most of the blue and the transfers/decals with it. It has white mudguards but I don't know whether these are original - would they have been blue to go with the frame?
If anyone can help, or point me in the right direction I will be most grateful.
The bike is in regular use as my transport around my village, and sometimes further afield. It is in need of some restoration and I would like to keep it reasonably authentic if possible.

Thanks

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RE:AGE / VALUE: Help Identifying 1951/52 Humber Roadster Please. posted by chris on 12/6/2009 at 5:09:51 PM
yes blue fenders and as to the fork it is original Humber had like 4 different fork designs but the duplex fork with the two small tubes is the famous one they are known for pictures would be nice to see
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RE:AGE / VALUE: Help Identifying 1951/52 Humber Roadster Please. posted by Robc02 on 12/9/2009 at 12:07:43 PM
Thanks. It looks as though the fenders/mudguards were replaced when the frame was painted brown. I have found a 1952 catalogue and the nearest bike to mine is a Royal Elf - right colour and general spec but a three speed dynohub instead of a four. I wonder if some of them came with a four speed? Sorry, I haven't any pictures yet.
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RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Help Identifying 1951/52 Humber Roadster Please. posted by Chris on 12/9/2009 at 7:11:12 PM
Yes some of these came with a four speed a dyno four combo just a matter of money and whatever the buyer wanted the Royal elves were offered with dynohubs dynofours battery tubes locking forks the works

Of all the Humber bikes it is the simple 26 inch wheel but totally tricked out Royal Elf that still kicks my butt I want another pair mens and ladies in mint shape Yes these have me seduced!
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RE:AGE / VALUE: Help Identifying 1951/52 Humber Roadster Please. posted by Robc02 on 12/10/2009 at 2:59:44 AM
Right, it looks as though that's what I've got. I always though it was a fairly upmarket model and this confirms it. I'll take it to the powder coaters to get as close a colour match as possible. By, the way, I discovered (after a tip off) that the chain case is soldered together and will become unsoldered if it goes into a powder coating oven - so I'll spray it separately.
The catalogue showed a Royal Tourist model and listed the Elf below it, so I don't have a very good idea of the type and position of transfers/decals. Do you have any links to suitable pictures? I don't expect to replicate the originals exactly, but I would like to know what they were like so that I can do something in keeping with them.
Thanks for your help.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:BSA posted by: Ken on 12/5/2009 at 3:54:19 AM
Hi Everyone

I came across a Nottingham BSA several weeks back, and after some negotiation, and a stint in the local bike shop for repairs, she is now at home.

I know she is not worth much over there in the US or UK, but here, shes almost as rare as hens teeth. Over here in wasteful throw-away land, most English roadsters have been scrapped long ago.

Nothing special about her. Ladies frame, remnants of Raleigh and BSA stacked rifle decals in all the right places, a BSA chainring, etc. Everything has been replaced except frame and fork (the parts on her when she was found were rusty Chinese bits that had to be discarded).

This one could've been used on a British military base/belonged to a diplomat, as all bicycles sold to the public up till Dec 1981 had to be registered with the authorities. The registration number, which matches another on a licence plate, was stamped on the front lug. That is missing here.

The thing really that stumps me is her age. Her frameset suggests mid-late '60s, perhaps early '70s. Serial number is BSA 0107. I know there are no BSA serial number records to be found anywhere, but one never knows what one can find out if one asks.
More pics here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ketchupsbikes/

Anyone has a similar model? Any clues?

Thanks!






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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:BSA posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/5/2009 at 7:25:37 AM
First and foremost after reading your description I was stunned at the beatiful machine pictured. Very nice work putting her right! Outstanding!

As to age.... that's a tough one sans even a 3-speed hub to gander. Though from the looks of the chainguard, I would say early 1960's

Nice find and again, well done with the cosmetics!

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - IT SHINES!!!!!!!!!!
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:BSA posted by stephen hogben on 12/5/2009 at 2:50:41 PM
What a lovely bike! Own 2 B.S.A,s one gents one ladies,both from the early 80,s.T he y both have identical handlebars to yours,so don't know if this pattern was carried on for some years,or the bike is slightly later than you think! I am no expert!
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:BSA posted by Ken on 12/5/2009 at 7:00:55 PM
Thanks guys. The pics do not show it, but she certainly led a hard life. There was some damage to the rear stays, deep corrosion over 10-15% of the frame... like with an abused pet, I feel compelled to give her more attention to make up for the pain and bad memories...

The purchase included the original full chain cover. I will try to save it. Amidst the surface rust, the original BSA decal plus two stars is in a remarkably good condition. The challenge is a dent on the front lower front edge that rusted through...

Stephen, the handlebars were replaced at least twice in her lifetime. This one replaced a rusty Chinese copy. No wonder these '80s handlebars can still be found in some old shops given their being so recent.

WIll try to upload more pics of her as she recuperates... Thanks again!


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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:BSA posted by Mark on 12/6/2009 at 10:34:31 AM
Lovely BSA - I especially love the deep green paint! You bike is remarkably similar to the 1956 Standard Model K I posted about several weeks ago - similar lug work, similar pinstriping, fenders etc. I guess not so remarkable as many of the English roadsters followed a similar design path.

I managed to uncover the original decal and pinstriping on the chainguard on mine, using "Goof off" and a plastic scrubber...however, the original paint had been covered by aerosol mostly because there was a lot of missing paint sections. I was unable to save any of the original paint on the fenders since it was mostly missing or sanded off.

Please post more detail shots of your BSA - I find it quite inspiring!

Mark
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:BSA posted by Ken on 12/6/2009 at 6:20:04 PM
Hi Mark

Seems the design didnt change much between WW2 and the 1970s. Mine is definitely '60s at the earliest given its manufacture by Raleigh.

I gave her another three coats of a very good Japanese car wax last night - Soft99 is the brand. I swear by it for a black or dark green finish as its formulated for dark colours. I think it will work well on your Standard K.

Will post more pics soon.


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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:BSA posted by Ken on 12/7/2009 at 12:54:36 AM
Hi there, does anyone have a home remedy for this kind of rust? The pic isn't very clear, but basically, the paint on a number of parts of the frame and mudguards has broken off, the exposed steel has corrosion that has eaten into the surface.

Apart from repainting (which I feel spoils the bike by removing the patina of age) there seems to be nothing much else that can be done. On exposed surface, like the mudguard wire stays, I have been using bronze wool to remove the surface rust, applying oil on it, polishing it, then placing all my hopes on many layers of car wax. I cant do the same on painted surfaces as the bronze wool removes the paint.


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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:BSA posted by Mark on 12/7/2009 at 5:34:27 PM
Ken; the folks on the C&V forum at www.bikeforums.net swear by oxalic acid to remove the rust....you should look up threads there to see if they have any advice. I haven't tried it myself as the Standard also has some evidence of that type of problem. I did however try one trick a member there suggested: I scrubbed the frame down with a cloth damp with motor oil. You would be surprised how nicely a lot of the surface rust was removed that way. Be careful around decals (mine were not harmed) but see if that might help.

I too have been using brass wool or a brass wire brush to clean up chrome and plated fasteners....works very well!

Mark


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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:BSA posted by Ken on 12/9/2009 at 7:01:05 AM
Thanks Mark. The oil seems to help somewhat with the light rust. The heavy stuff thats deeply corroded refuses to go. Will keep rubbing... :)



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MISC:   roadsters in mexico posted by: mark on 12/3/2009 at 2:36:53 PM
Hi Folks--was just in gudalajara for a book expo, looked for old roadsters in the area of the big town market. There were few nice old examples of rod brake roadsters, heavily used, most without their headbadges. a butcher was taking his bike into his butcher stall at the market, i took a foto of his bike, headbadge said Windsor (Mexican copy?) he got it from his dad. i regret not buying for $17 or so the copy sprung brooks saddlle with mexico manufacturer stamp. most people of course are not riding vintage bikes.
Larry, my prayers and best wishes for the recovery of your daughter

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RE:MISC:   roadsters in mexico posted by JS on 12/3/2009 at 6:52:03 PM
Mark-

Please post a picture if you can. I love bikes like that!

-JS

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RE:RE:MISC:   roadsters in mexico posted by Chris on 12/5/2009 at 9:20:20 AM
Sam, do you wish to add your experiences?
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RE:MISC:   roadsters in mexico posted by sam on 12/6/2009 at 8:08:21 PM
Moutain bikes and cruzer and city rat(20" BMX)are all the rid now---they call the old roadster Milk Man bikes cause the old milk delivery men use to use them
A plant in Monterry use to make them but closed years ago--also they were made in Mexico City.
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RE:RE:MISC:   roadsters in mexico posted by Chris on 12/7/2009 at 7:14:34 PM
Sam sold me a set of 28 x 1 1/2 tires that were made in Mexico one of which I still have here in my stash in San Antonio! also I got one studded tire in size 28 x 1/2 seeing that studded 28 inch tire was mind blowing! It was interesting to mount that one and ride it on the D.L.1.! Sam even had a neon colored orange or was it yellow? rubber 28 x 1 1/2 size tire that would also fit the Raleigh Tourist.

Interesting to see all the stuff that turns up when one looks through bike shops in different parts of the world!
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MISC:UPDATE posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/3/2009 at 6:42:29 AM
So I finally was able to get down to the Burn Unit last night. I'm actually rather glad that, in spite of how graphic and unpleasant the google images pursuant to her condition are, I had taken the time to peruse a few. It prepared me for what I would see when I got there. Otherwise, it would have been one hell of a shock.

Really... the only way to describe it is like she's been attacked by three maniacs... one armed with a club, another with a propane torch and the third wielding a cheese grater.

Yeah..... I walked out of there last night wanting to inflict serious damage on someone... or some thing... alas, there's really no culprit. I need a shrieking tree methinks.

Good news is her temp is dropping. Down from 103 to 100 so that would indicate the "reaction" is mitigating. Nurses think she's turning the corner and beginning the recovery phase. I sure hope so. Going to be a long road back. I should be hearing from her attending physician today. They're not really in the hospital during evening visiting hours.

The hospital itself is amazing and very impressive. Immaculate and appears to have been built last week. Burn unit patients have personal full-time nurses around the clock. The level of care is such that I could not possibly want any better.

I did drop off a 36ct. carton of Milky Way Singles (Mars bars to my UK mates) just to let the nursing staff know that I appreciate all their efforts. It doesn't hurt as a little bit of a "bonus" motivator either. ;-)

So... we stay the course. Watch. Wait. Vibes, karma, prayers... all the good stuff. Hopefully signs of real recovery will be forthcoming soon.

Thanks everyone for your well wishes, prayers, etc.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Whew!

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RE:MISC:UPDATE posted by JDuck on 12/3/2009 at 9:20:41 AM
Larry, we are all praying for her and your family. Glad to see some improvement. Sounds like a very devastating condition.
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RE:MISC:UPDATE posted by Matthew on 12/3/2009 at 3:25:33 PM
Larry,

Many of us this side of the pond are praying for your daughter.

Thanks for the update I have passed it on.

Matthew - praying
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RE:MISC:UPDATE posted by JS on 12/3/2009 at 6:26:42 PM
..still praying for her here to, Larry.

-JS

http://www.flyingpigeonproject.org
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RE:RE:MISC:UPDATE posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/3/2009 at 7:33:33 PM
Thanks everyone on all sides of the pond. I'm bushed tonight... methinks I'll sleep well... freight-train-brain or not.

Will be in touch!

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Coming? Going? Does it matter? :-) Nope!
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RE:MISC:UPDATE posted by Ken on 12/4/2009 at 2:02:02 AM
Prayers too from Singapore...
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RE:RE:MISC:UPDATE posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/4/2009 at 11:12:35 AM
All the way from Singapore.... thanks mate.

Still watching and waiting. She's not gotten worse... and there may be signs of healing.... gad this is just awful. Thus far though, she's managed to hold a grip mentally.

Going down to see her tonight. More Mily Ways for the staffers.

Every little bit helps!!!!!

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Patience... even when paper thin.... is STILL a virtue.
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AGE / VALUE:Search Engine posted by: Stephen Hogben on 11/29/2009 at 5:11:58 PM
I know this is not about bikes lads, but help me out,please!My search engine used to be Google and everything was fine.Could find Old Roads and other favourite sites no problem!Now have search engine called In Box which is a pain in the a**e.Can anyone please tell me how to get Google back? Please remember I am a computer moron,so simple language please!Thanks in anticipation!
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Search Engine posted by Matthew on 11/30/2009 at 2:06:32 AM
Hi Stephen,

Its all about setting your default search engine or finding the Google search page and setting it as your home page. That way when you sign in you will be on the Google page.

Do you have bookmarks or Favourites? Just add Oldroads to them it makes finding the page a one click move.

Matthew - in the net
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Search Engine posted by Steve on 11/30/2009 at 5:50:12 AM
Type, " Google " in the window of your new search engine. Click on link to open it after it shows. After Google opens, clink on link just below the Google name that says," Make Google my home page.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Search Engine posted by stephen hogben on 11/30/2009 at 8:46:31 AM
Thankyou for your advice on installing Google back as my search engine tried for about 6 hours before asking you,went to try out your advice but grand daughter came round said she knew nothing about computers and put me back on Google within 2 mins!Theres no fool like an old fool.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Ball Bearing Sized posted by: Jerry on 11/29/2009 at 1:30:49 PM
Can anyone tell me what sizes of Ball Bearings are used in the front hub, rear hub, bottom bracket and headset of a 1977 Raleigh Sports. I am planning to rebuild these and would like to have new bearings on hand before I dismantle these. Thanks.
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Ball Bearing Sized posted by Keith Body on 11/30/2009 at 3:37:33 PM
In the 1960's imperial measure ball bearings and chains on bikes were almost a world wide standard.
Front hub 3/16
Head set 5/32
Bottom bracket 1/4
Rear hub (not hub gear) 1/4
SA 1/4 in cage, and 3/16 over the driver.
Hope this is still correct for yours.

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RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Ball Bearing Sized posted by Jerry on 11/30/2009 at 7:31:07 PM
Thanks, that was a great help>
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MISC:Off topic and frightening..... posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 11/29/2009 at 7:26:27 AM
Zythromax [sic?] has put my daughter in the ICU.... currently being transferred to St. Barnabas Hospital burn unit.

Stevens-Johnson Syndrome. I've never heard of this condition... but it's downright frightening. Her temp peaked at 105 and they struggled getting it down for a bit.

Seriously hurting and in bad shape.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/stevens-johnson-syndrome/DS00940

Something to be aware of... if you ever experience even the minorest of the symptoms described, seek medical attention IMMEDIATELY.

Later...

Larry "Boneman" Bone - aghast.... simply aghast.....
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RE:MISC:Off topic and frightening..... posted by Matthew on 11/29/2009 at 9:39:28 AM
Larry,

I am horrified to hear this. The Zithromax might have been prescribed to help with the early symptoms. Regardless of what caused it I am now praying for your daughter.

Please keep us up to date.

Matthew - worried.
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RE:RE:MISC:Off topic and frightening..... posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 11/29/2009 at 10:24:03 AM
The Zithromax was prescrived for a sinus infection....

She's in the best place....

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Worried... too
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RE:MISC:Off topic and frightening..... posted by Steve on 11/29/2009 at 10:50:08 AM
Larry,

I've never heard of this before, it sounds horrible.

Have faith "in the best place", and lets hope and pray for good news soon.

Steve
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RE:MISC:Off topic and frightening..... posted by KevinJ on 11/29/2009 at 1:01:24 PM
Terrible news. Hope she feels better.

KevinJ
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RE:MISC:Off topic and frightening..... posted by Stephen Hogben on 11/29/2009 at 5:27:08 PM
Praying for you here.
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RE:RE:MISC:Off topic and frightening..... posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 11/30/2009 at 7:34:14 AM
Thanks everyone. I'm hoping for an update and a solid prognosis today.

Will advise on what I find out.

Again... thanks.

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Standing fast
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RE:RE:RE:MISC:Off topic and frightening..... posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/1/2009 at 1:14:40 PM
Well.... spoke with her nurse today.... I'm still not hear the words "She's recovering" yet.... and that's got me a bit frutstrated.....

I, on the other hand am recovering from my upper respiratory "Crud"... and will be going to see her tomorrow night.

Stay tuned.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Just SAY it! (with conviction of course)
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RE:MISC:Off topic and frightening..... posted by JS on 12/1/2009 at 8:38:57 PM
Larry-

Praying for your daughter. I take it this is some allergic reaction to the Zythromax?

-JS

Http://www.flyingpigeonproject.com
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RE:MISC:Off topic and frightening..... posted by Ken on 12/2/2009 at 4:08:23 AM
Hope your daughter feels better soon Larry...
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RE:RE:MISC:Off topic and frightening..... posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/2/2009 at 10:59:13 AM
Yeah... Zithromax precipitated it. Many other meds (OTC NSAIDS, etc.) have been known to cause it.

There's really not much known about it as it is extremely rare. Thankfully.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Rare... but not quite rare enough IMHO
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RE:RE:RE:MISC:Off topic and frightening..... posted by chris on 12/2/2009 at 5:17:58 PM
My thoughts and prayers are with you for you and your daughter's swift recovery Larry. -Christopher
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:fitting a new tire on front rim posted by: Kevin J on 11/27/2009 at 4:35:41 PM
Hi everyone,

I'm a daily commuter on my Raleigh Sports. My current bike I've been riding since Sept and I can't seem to get the tire on the rim without it indenting too much at one spot causing a bump at every revolution. It's quite noticeable when I'm going fast.
I had a Bontrager brand tire then took a Kenda brand off one of my other (Raleigh) bikes. That too is giving me the bump on this wheel, it seems no matter how careful I am about fitting it on the rim. The bump seems to be at one point on the tire and will indent only there no matter where I move the tire around the rim.
Is there a trick to this that I'm missing? Granted these are cheap tires, but they're the only ones I could get at the local shops. I'll upgrade when I wear them out (it only takes six months I'm finding).

Also the leatheron my Brooks B72 saddle just ripped straight across at the front narrow point. Any repair possible?
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:fitting a new tire on front rim posted by David on 11/27/2009 at 6:32:28 PM
Try using a lot of soapy water at the rim all the way around and try blowing it up to a much higher pressure than you would actually ride. If the tire is fairly new, it probably won't explode and, given your problem, it doesn't seem likely to blow off the rim! If you can get it on, then just bleed off the excess pressure. I've had that problem, too, and it's really annoying.

I think you're SOL on the saddle. That seems to be where they usually fail, especially when they're quite dried out.
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:fitting a new tire on front rim posted by Steve on 11/28/2009 at 4:46:45 AM
Yep, soapy rim will help. Slowly inflate a little at a time with a bike pump, NOT compressor. Look around the tire to see how it is seating. If a place is not right, with just a little air in the tire, you can use your hand & thumbs to get it seated. [ most times ]
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:fitting a new tire on front rim posted by Warren on 11/28/2009 at 9:56:04 PM
Tubes can cause these problems as well so try swapping in a known good one.
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:fitting a new tire on front rim posted by JS on 11/29/2009 at 3:37:01 AM
You may be able to fix the saddle, but you will need to replace the top. Not sure if brooks sells a replacement top, although I have seen them in the past.
That's said, would it be cost effective? Not sure.

For me I found another avenue of replacing the top. You can see the results here on my blog:

http://www.flyingpigeonproject.org/2009/11/score-mr-zhis-custom-seat.html?cid=6a00d8341ec49a53ef0120a6e71048970b#comment-6a00d8341ec49a53ef0120a6e71048970b

-JS



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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:fitting a new tire on front rim posted by KevinJ on 11/29/2009 at 7:11:27 AM
Thanks. I'll give your suggestions a try and let you know.
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:fitting a new tire on front rim posted by Kevin J. on 11/30/2009 at 4:44:08 PM
I spent a good hour on the wheel yesterday. Still can't get it right. Road home today--in the rain--bumpity bump going fast down hill. I won't have time to try again untill next weekend.
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:fitting a new tire on front rim posted by Kevin on 11/30/2009 at 5:07:10 PM
Are you sure that the wheel itself is true? Take the tire and tube off the rim, give it a spin, and look for any imperfections, up and down or side to side. Also, make sure there are no folds in the tube. If it's bunched up, that can cause a thump.

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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:fitting a new tire on front rim posted by Kevin J. on 12/1/2009 at 8:42:19 PM
I'll try that. This the second tire I've tried. I have had the tire off the rim, but I didn't check the rim too closely. Thanks.
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AGE / VALUE:Mudguards and Hubs posted by: Dave on 11/26/2009 at 8:43:45 AM
Hey gentlemen--I have two questions here.

Does anyone know about the half mudguards that were on the front tires? Roughly, about what time were those being used?..... 1910's-1920's I'm guessing.

Also, I'm somewhat familiar with old Sturmey hubs. The ribbon pattern "Sturmey Archer 3 speed gears" is pre 1935. Undated, makes it pre 1932. But, what if it's an undated hub with "patent" between "Archer" and "3 speed" on it, still diagonally written but going the opposite direction? I've tried SA Heritage and couldn't find anything. Anyone have dates?

Thanks for your help.


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RE:AGE / VALUE:Mudguards and Hubs posted by Warren on 11/28/2009 at 9:58:55 PM
I seem to recall Hilary Stome or Michael Barry talking about riding a path bike to the races and droping the rear of a quick-release mudguard so I woud think that period could extend up until WWII and maybe even past.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:BSA. Job done / A Grand Day Out. posted by: Chas on 11/26/2009 at 7:46:11 AM
Hello all

I came here a few months ago just after buying an ageing bike, my first roadster and indeed road bike.

After starting well everything has been on and off hold with a few hiccups along the way but today I got to enjoy my first ride on a veteran hub gear bike.. the sun came out to join me. Also new to riding on the road so it's been pleasant fun this morning.

So first impressions and a few questions for you:

Oh, I'm very high up sitting here and aren't these handlebars very narrow! What's the protocol for turning corners and not banging your knee's? Put your leg out at 90 degrees??

After overhaul my FG four speed hub only managed three gears but I'm finding these easily and they do make a difference when riding. But how does one change gear?
I've been told to slightly back pedal and that seems to work but I'm a little unsure of selecting 2nd gear in case I over reach and end up in 1st ie(the gear that doesn't work)... and then breaking or snapping something.

After a while I felt like I was in the bike rather than on it and when I pedalled hard.... going fast was a blast!

Rod-brakes; no they don't actually (my feet could do a better job)!

I really felt that I belonged on the road and had a right to be there ..BUT.. aren't motorists presumptuous, impatient so and so's?!?

So what happens next? Can I expect bits to start falling off or the gears to go all out of sync? I'm certainly not a cyclist by any means and only took this on as something to kill an idle hour, leisurely local rides are on the agenda with nowhere in particular as my destination.

Thanks to Matthew for some valuable help along the way.

Chas


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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:BSA. Job done / A Grand Day Out. posted by Matthew on 11/26/2009 at 3:17:31 PM
A very nicely polished example indeed. A credit to your perseverance.

Matthew - waxing lyrical :-)
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MISC:E-bay outing-1946 Lenton. posted by: Thom J. on 11/24/2009 at 12:24:33 PM
1946 Raleigh Lenton. EBY# 190350634037. Very nice looking bike from what I can see. Kinda pricey??? but maybe that's just the cheapskate in me. Have the money but I just can't justify another bike buy at this time. Ends soon. Maybe someone here will give it a good home. Not my listing either and no relation to the seller. Thom J.
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RE:MISC:E-bay outing-1946 Lenton. posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 11/25/2009 at 6:50:00 AM
Nice machine... opening bid of $400 and reserve not met? Yeah... it is a bit pricey.

Out of my league at the moment.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - not broke... merely parsimonious.
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AGE / VALUE:Happy Thanksgiving posted by: Chris on 11/23/2009 at 7:41:23 PM
Just a brief pause to wish everybody a safe and enjoyable Thanksgiving holiday
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Boston CL roadsters posted by: David on 11/23/2009 at 10:39:32 AM
The guy who listed these claims they're 28" wheel. The photos sure look like 26" to me. Whadda you think?

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bik/1477888944.html


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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Boston CL roadsters posted by Jeff Bikeguy on 11/23/2009 at 10:46:08 AM
Tough to tell from the small pix. These could be Dawns instead of DL-1's. The ladies' bike is a loop frame so that one may be a 28".
$1200.00 huh? If they were mint, and never ridden, and someone really wanted them - maybe. In that condition, I would think that decimal needs to be moved over a space...







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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Boston CL roadsters posted by David on 11/23/2009 at 1:57:35 PM
I think they're Dawns, too. But his offer is so far from this world I'm not gonna go see 'em. He may come down to earth after the new year.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:early dl posted by: curtis curtis on 11/22/2009 at 4:53:30 PM
I'm looking for 50's and under rod brake and early dl's to buy at a dealer price.
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:early dl posted by David on 11/23/2009 at 10:43:00 AM
So, are you after DL-1 (28" wheel) or any rod-brake Raleigh? (All Raleighs are "DLs," it's abbreviation of m-o-D-e-L)
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:early dl posted by Matthew on 11/25/2009 at 11:37:50 AM
Not so; UK Raleighs were never DL-1.

Matthew - to the point
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:early dl posted by David on 11/25/2009 at 1:54:41 PM
Oh, all right! The [60s and newer] catalogs issued by Raleigh Industries of America refer to all the models as "DL" this and "DL" that. The older UK catalogs seem to call them "model" this and "model" that. Same numbers, of course (e.g. Sports is 22). (I haven't seen newer UK catalogs or older US catalogs.) So, do you think we should be calling all the 28" wheel roadsters simply "DLs?"
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:early dl posted by Matthew on 11/25/2009 at 3:14:19 PM
I have always respected the US title for a Raleigh Roadsters but we simply wouldn't call them DLs over here in the UK.

I am happy that they are collected, cherished and better still ridden both sides of the pond.

Matthew - over here!
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