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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules needed to acquire low gear on elderly FW hub ! posted by: Steve on 9/17/2009 at 7:38:10 AM
Has anyone got experience of trying to get 1st gear on an elderly FW (49 - 6).
I can get the gear by pulling extremely hard on the toggle chain with my hand, I can get it by pressing on the trigger extremely hard but it soon springs back into 2nd gear at the first signs of any vibration.

I've tried three different 4-speed changers today (and two cables), as well as adjusted the toggle chain endless times, I even moved the pulley wheel on the seat tube into different positions....it still won't play ball !

I'm concerned about doing damage to the toggle chain or hub innards if I persist.

I've obviously luricated the hub (it had been static for twenty years), is this a common scenario on wide range 4 speeds and....is there an easy fix to this, or is it time to strip the hub down.

I have one or two mid 50's 4-speeds that behave normally just like AW's, even the K series hubs have not presented this problem.

The bike rides well in 2nd, 3rd and 4th.

Any comments gladly received.

Steve
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules needed to acquire low gear on elderly FW hub ! posted by chris on 9/17/2009 at 1:47:35 PM
yes, go into the hub it needs some internal work and some new parts
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules needed to acquire low gear on elderly FW hub ! posted by Jeff R on 9/17/2009 at 2:25:20 PM
The internal springs on the early FW hubs are much stiffer than hubs made after 1952. Find the newer updated springs or the springs from a FM or FC hub are also softer and will improve the shifting. If you need the part numbers I can look them up for you. I have purchased spring sets from Peter Paine (oldcyclebits) on ebay.
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules needed to acquire low gear on elderly FW hub ! posted by Chris on 9/17/2009 at 6:22:48 PM
yes! Jeff is correct on that -it comes back to me now.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules needed to acquire low gear on elderly FW hub ! posted by canalligators on 9/18/2009 at 12:08:07 PM
You need an excuse to tear down an SA hub? I do it for fun! In fact, I just built a wheel with a 55-6 AW for my Raleigh International (24# three-speed, anyone?) and it needs to be torn down and given "a good clean" (hard to find 2nd). Oh boy!
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules needed to acquire low gear on elderly FW hub ! posted by Steve on 9/18/2009 at 2:03:39 PM
That's the problem, I've done one or two AW's, for some reason I'm a little bit hesitant about the 4 speed FW (that I've never stripped down before, I think the 65 Moulton I had was an FW....but that wasn't stiff).

I guess it's time to study the Sturmey Archer hubs bible and send the wife and kids away for a couple of days !

I will try to contact my old friend (who'd had the bike from new) to try and find out more history on the hub....and when 1st started to go stiff.

Makes you wonder why the springs were "softer" after 1952, had Sturmey Archer had complaints or had the tank metal expired by then ?

Thanks for the comments gentlemen, I may well contact you Jeff, when I've done some delving.

Would be interesting to know the percentage breakdown of "classic/vintage" SA hubs currently in circulation....AW obviously way out in front !

Steve


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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules needed to acquire low gear on elderly FW hub ! posted by chris on 9/18/2009 at 2:49:42 PM
the f.w. is not scary to overhaul now the f.m., f.c. and the dyno four are worse. you can do the f.w.!
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules needed to acquire low gear on elderly FW hub ! posted by Steve on 9/18/2009 at 3:31:41 PM
That's good to hear, I'd heard negative mutterings concerning 4 speed hubs at a local cycle shop a couple of years ago....I don't remember much, but I do remember things like that !

Steve
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           RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules needed to acquire low gear on elderly FW hub ! posted by Tim on 9/19/2009 at 7:03:31 AM
Here's a link to exploded diagram of a FW. Hope it helps. Tim
http://www.sturmey-archerheritage.com/views/view-63.gif
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules needed to acquire low gear on elderly FW hub ! posted by Steve on 9/19/2009 at 11:18:48 AM
Thanks Tim, that's a great help, and much appreciated.

Steve


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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules needed to acquire low gear on elderly FW hub ! posted by Keith Body on 9/20/2009 at 12:09:06 PM
Steve, I seem to remember that the planets have timing marks on the visible face of the large end. These were easiest if all facing outwards from the hub centre when assembled.
It really is 50 years since I did one. I used to like the idea of going up 25%. then reducing 25% to get an indirect gear, Ultra close ratios only. You may find that it only needs cleaning.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules needed to acquire low gear on elderly FW hub ! posted by Steve on 9/20/2009 at 1:50:20 PM
Keith, I'm stunned by what you've just said...."it may just need cleaning" !

I was all prepared to strip it down this weekend, what I hadn't mentioned was the fact that I'd (rightly or wrongly, as I hadn't really got anything to lose) saturated the hub internally with WD40 and let it soak over the last three or four days.
Whenever I got a spare moment or two, I would work up and down the gears in the hope of freeing/loosening or forcing out some of the accumulated gunge that was probably inside there....as witnessed by brown liquid seeping out of the hub.

I think you can guess what's coming here....yes, all of a sudden, the trigger notched into 1st with a positive feeling and stayed in position without vibrating out at the first sign of any movement.

I've since ridden the bike for many miles with no problems.

I feel as though I've cheated in some way, no doubt there will be a "sting in the tail" somewhere....that's life !

Steve

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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules needed to acquire low gear on elderly FW hub ! posted by Keith Body on 9/20/2009 at 2:21:39 PM
Hi Steve, I must be psyclic. We used to get them full of brown emulsion, oil and rust. I expect the old cycle oil left some hard deposits. If you need the R pawl springs, sometimes we had to make them from a suitable single strand of brake cable inner.
Hope it keeps going.
Keith

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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules needed to acquire low gear on elderly FW hub ! posted by Steve on 9/20/2009 at 2:56:06 PM
Keith, I "did" a couple of AW's last year and swore that if or when I had to do another one, I would treat myself to a magnifying glass attached to a stand, and a nice pair of tweezers for the springs....where's Woolworths when you really need them !
I've got a tub of hubs, so should be o.k. for pawl springs, interesting suggestion though.

Steve
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules needed to acquire low gear on elderly FW hub ! posted by Steve on 9/20/2009 at 3:01:11 PM
Psyclic....Hee, hee, hee !


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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules needed to acquire low gear on elderly FW hub ! posted by grasshopper on 9/21/2009 at 6:32:16 PM
Amazing, keith used to make springs from a single strand of brake cable wire. amazing.

humbled to be in the presence of "Master Keith"
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules needed to acquire low gear on elderly FW hub ! posted by stevetoo on 9/22/2009 at 7:56:01 AM
I ran into the same situation with a 1948 hub. My S-A guru told me of the difference in springs. My solution was coming up with this shift procedure: Pull back the trigger as hard as you can and hold it while pedalling ahead slowly. After a few turns you'll feel the low gear drop into place. With a bit of practice, you'll get good at it. Only trouble is that you need to plan ahead a little for the grade!
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MISC:   elasticized skirt screens posted by: Ray Lewis on 9/16/2009 at 11:43:55 PM
would anyone know where I might be able to purchase elasticized skirt screens.
the type that mount to holes on the fenders via small hooks. I have seen them around. tried to search for them online, but not sure what they are called exactly.

cheers
r

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           RE:MISC:   elasticized skirt screens posted by David on 9/17/2009 at 10:02:16 AM
I think they're called skirt guards and seen most often in Holland and Germany. (But what are they called there?)
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           RE:MISC:   elasticized skirt screens posted by sam on 9/17/2009 at 6:29:37 PM
seen them offered on french E-Bay
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rod brake Sturmey archer disc conversion... posted by: Ray Lewis on 9/16/2009 at 11:31:43 PM
I have an old butchers bike 1940...
It has the old rod brakes...
I would like to put new sturmey archer internal brake hubs on it, but was curious where to find conversion items to change the rod controller from stirup to the disc?

I see that the new gazelle has an option for this, but curious about finding the parts to convert mine...

http://www.gazellebicycles.com.au/products/2009-gazelle-bikes-/classic/toer-populair.html

and does anyone know if the old sturmey archer frame mounted shifter would work with the new 3 speed hub...

cheers

r
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rod brake Sturmey archer disc conversion... posted by Matthew on 9/18/2009 at 9:18:08 AM
I have an old butchers bike 1940... Lovely, why change it?
It has the old rod brakes... good as God intended
I would like to put new sturmey archer internal brake hubs on it, but was curious where to find conversion items to change the rod controller from stirup to the disc? It is possible, just like putting a 427cu.in Chevvy in a mini but why? If you want a good trade bike with hub brakes then why not get hold of a late Pashley? Yours is 60 years old. Would you put a Jag back axle in an Austin seven?

I see that the new gazelle has an option for this, but curious about finding the parts to convert mine... See what Gazelle have to offer in the spares line and be prepared for some hard work. It won't just be a fitters job, there will be engineering to be done.


and does anyone know if the old sturmey archer frame mounted shifter would work with the new 3 speed hub... Well it should work Okay with 3 -speeds.

Matthew - not always a Luddite or a sabotager.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rod brake Sturmey archer disc conversion... posted by Steve on 9/18/2009 at 2:34:02 PM
Ray, as Matthew says, why not get a later Pashley.

Rod brake delivery bikes are special, they're like no other bike, they're the ancient heavy Shirehorse of the bicycle world, sometimes too big, querky, naughty, cheeky, black, have personal names, attract attention from all ages, even make the pilot look silly sometimes and have "interesting" stopping distances when braking (especially in the rain).

Steve - have fun
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rod brake Sturmey archer disc conversion... posted by Chris on 9/24/2009 at 4:22:03 PM
Thanks steve, In reading your description i have been called, seduced, sold on the notion, e.t.c. to own and enjoy rod brake delivery bicycles . "The ancient shirehorse of the bicycle world!" yes! I love it I love your description.
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MISC:   Interesting Look posted by: Rod on 9/16/2009 at 7:07:38 AM
While everyone and rightfully, often look at the Ebay UK, the other ones certainly get some lookers too.

http://annonces.ebay.fr/viewad/deux-velo/5000611769 , this must be the item number if it transltes. 5000611769

Those kinds of bikes are on those ebays all the time.

Rudge Whitworth sold a lot of bikes in France additionally, lots of old English bikes show up, but for example, Gladiator is a famous poster of yesteryear, they had tons of companies back then in France.

I like the headlamps, the grips, everything.
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AGE / VALUE:   Brooklands Veteran Cycle Festival. posted by: Stephen Hogben on 9/15/2009 at 1:06:41 PM
I know not many of you are local,but this Sunday at Brooklands Museum set in the old Brooklands Race Track(mostly remaining,but in very poor condition) is holding The Veteran Cycle Festival,thought i would take my 1936 Rudge Whitworth there. Have a look at www.brooklandsmuseum.com
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Brooklands Veteran Cycle Festival. posted by Steve on 9/15/2009 at 2:11:49 PM
Thanks Stephen, I didn't know of that, if I'm not tied up with work....I will pop down with something elderly.

Steve
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Brooklands Veteran Cycle Festival. posted by Chas on 9/17/2009 at 12:54:34 PM
1mile Penny-farthing races on the mercedes test track,
think I'll bring my first aid kit along for some practice ;-)

See you there.

Chas
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Brooklands Veteran Cycle Festival. posted by Matthew on 9/22/2009 at 10:52:40 AM
So; How did it go?

Matthew - JPN
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Brooklands Veteran Cycle Festival. posted by Steve on 9/22/2009 at 12:14:46 PM
Sadly, I got tied up with non-bike work, so I had to miss out.
Shame really, cus I'd just polished my 36 Hercules rear mudguard emblem !
Steve

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MISC:   To Dynohub or...... posted by: Thom J. on 9/15/2009 at 9:00:02 AM
......not to Dynohub, that is the question. Last year I bought a N.O.S. Raleigh headlamp, dry battery unit, tailight, Miller tyre generator and bracket. My plan at that time was to install it on the Raleigh Sports (which I bought from Old Roads a few years ago)in place of the Taiwan made replica that I currently have on the bike. Then I began to think, hence the smoke, that maybe I should search for a real Dynohub and rebuilt the current from wheel around it or just build up a new front wheel with the Dynohub. The down side is that I don't have a Dynohub yet and I would need a 590mm chromed rim to do a proper job. What is your opinion(s)? Thx in advance, Thom J.
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           RE:MISC:   To Dynohub or...... posted by Warren on 9/15/2009 at 9:14:10 AM
The devil is in the details. There's lots of SA dynos and Dunlop rims out there. What year hub and how many spoke holes do you need? Endrick or Raleigh pattern rim?

Is your NOS headlamp a Sturmey Archer? I think that's what you'll need to run with the Dyno.
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           RE:MISC: To Dynohub or...... posted by mark on 9/15/2009 at 5:19:15 PM
So have any of you run dynohubs on a Sun CR18 alloy rim? this is what i am contemplating doing because i will be riding this 1960 Phillips Manhattan dynohub full chaincase beauty in the winter--just need to figure out what size spokes to get...plus the current old endricks on this bike are not in great shape
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           RE:MISC:   To Dynohub or...... posted by Thom J. on 9/16/2009 at 8:33:59 AM
Warren- The bike is a 1972 Sports with cable brakes. Current wheels have the Raleigh pattern rims with 32 spokes. The number of spokes for the new wheel would depend on the spoke count used on whatever Dynohub I find; I'm guessing 32 spokes as that seems to be the English standard for this type of bike. The light is a Sturmey-Archer. I thought it was a Raleigh, but I was wrong.

Mark- I built up some new wheels a couple of months ago for my old Raleigh Trent Sports using CR18 700C rims laced to a S/A FW4 rear hub and Raleigh front hub. The rims are really, really nice and the finished wheels run superbly. The only down side is that they don't come with a chrome plating although the polished finish is nice and fits in well with the bike's appearance. Sheldon Brown's spoke calculator info on the Harris Cyclery site should get you the info on what size of spoke(s) to use.

Thx again for all you input. Thom J.
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           RE:MISC:   To Dynohub or...... posted by Keith Body on 9/16/2009 at 12:35:41 PM
Hi Thom J, 32 holes was UK standard for front wheels. When I built wheels on a front dynos, I crossed the dyno side 2, and laced it first. Screw the spoke nipples on the spokes for the other side, and insert through the rim. Hook the spoke heads in the keyhole so that both heads are in, then put a spare spoke nipple or similar in the hole, between the 2 spoke heads to hold them in while you do the next pair. Perhaps this is too obvious.
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AGE / VALUE:   One day posted by: Chris on 9/14/2009 at 6:26:48 PM
One day, The Brown brothers catalogs will be available online and we can all hold hands together and wade into the past, the glorious past and see and discuss all the wonderful wonders that existed once upon a time.

I hope to see it here, hope to see readers here able to see it.
Vin will pull it off someday, I do believe that.

Basically, everything vintage British bicycle was listed and shown in a vintage bicycle industry dealer jobber book and I want these old catalogs scanned and made available to the public the vintage bicycle collector public.

Whe you all see this you will understand why I wanted it shown here.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   One day posted by Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles at OldRoads.com on 9/15/2009 at 4:02:26 AM
The local cycling season here in Mass will be slowing down in another month and I won’t be so busy reconditioning old 3-speeds for Boston commuters.
I need to get the Picture Database updated, complete a deal with an old Schwinn/Raleigh shop to get their inventory posted here, and somehow get those Brown Brothers catalogs on-line.
Meantime – back to turning wrenches!

-Vin

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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   One day posted by Chris on 9/15/2009 at 6:01:05 PM
"Geze Chris, You're like a Piranna fish," not a good comment to hear from a boss and here I've been nibbling at Vin too!
Keep up the good work Vin, The Brown Brothers project will make a fine winter project.
I could never be upset with somebody who is keeping these wonderful machines up and running in Boston for others to use and enjoy!
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   One day posted by Vin on 9/16/2009 at 3:57:49 PM
Chris, you keep us motivated. It lets us know people are interested in these old rides.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I don't know where I am ! posted by: Steve on 9/14/2009 at 2:57:27 PM
Something strange is happening to me, I've gone from Roadsters to Tradebikes to Raleigh Twenties and even a Moulton amongst others to now....a Raleigh Lenton Sports (singular, not plural).

Is this normal behaviour for a middle aged man ?

I've kept my favourites from each type and have sold on the ones that are either too small or simply don't appeal to me.

But, the Lenton Sports, it was acquired from an old friend in return for the changing of a cotter pin !
It's a 1949 model and requires the usual t.l.c., question is....is it a vintage lightweight (even with Reynolds 531, it doesn't seem very lightweight to me) or does it come under English Roadster for discussion purposes (I can't see that somehow).

Very little on the bike (if anything) is compatable with a Roadster, that said, 26 x 1 1/4 rims, 4 speed hub, forward facing dropouts, cable brakes, three pin chainwheel, less weight (especially in comparison to a Tradebike) etc etc are great fun....or am I just getting lazy.

Where should I go....careful !

Steve
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I don't know where I am ! posted by Chris on 9/14/2009 at 5:42:43 PM
keeping the favorites from each type, sounds smart to me. You are "making the rounds" experiencing it all and it's normal and wonderful at the same time. the 1949 Lenton is a very nice bike to have.
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I don't know where I am ! posted by Chris on 9/14/2009 at 6:15:00 PM
where should you go? I recommend a 1950 Raleigh Record Ace in your size lightweight and very fast.

Go to the Metropark the local park with bike paths and ride and ride often and see the sights past the herd of tame deer that don't run and they just stand there and look at you the big, majestic male deers and usually it's just the female deer and the babies. the Joys of riding in the parks past the streams where you look down from the stone bridge and see huge fish pausing as they are trying to go someplace up the stream.

Find a pal, somebody you love and go riding with her in the evening with the generator powering the lights on the bike either a tyre driven generator of a dynohub. There is something neat about generating your own light the red tail lights go adventuring in the evening and under the moonlight with somebody special.

You have had the trade bikes, that I missed out on (mostly) and I am jealous.
Bikewise? what model or type of bike calls to you?

Let ask Keith! Hey Keith! What type and style of vintage bike (and it has to be a vintage bike) ignited your passion what should our friend here seek out and own and experience next?
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           RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I don't know where I am ! posted by Chris on 9/14/2009 at 6:25:31 PM
So often, adventuring in the moonlight got interupted by us happening upon somebody's trash put out at the kerb and there was an old bike to grab and hide until I could come back with the car to get it. Not very romantic to stop and dismount and go nosing thru somebody's trash in the middle of a ride but you could not leave it there or else it would be gone.
If the gal is a trashpicker like you then you have competition and you'll be arguing over the "finds" remember that "bearer bonds" found in the papers at the kerb is like finding cash money bills you are bearing them in your hands so go cash them in!

I hope the lady you ride with will not spoil the mood by picking a fight with you.
As for the bearer bonds if you pick thru enough of others peoples garbage you will find them and money, and jewlery, and all sorts of stuff worth bringing back but for me it was always the bikes the old bikes. Stock shares have to have a "Q sip" number on them usually to be good if in doubt ask somebody.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I don't know where I am ! posted by Steve on 9/15/2009 at 2:23:44 PM
Thanks Chris, I've found a pal, she's called "wife", and she supports my passion (most of the time) for old bikes.

We went on holiday recently to the land of Matthew, on the East Coast of England, we returned with two bikes....it wasn't planned, it just happened !

Yes, search those sheds, talk to people, look up driveways, you never know what could be there.

Here's a worrying thing, my wife keeps mentioning the word trike and tandem, surely it should be Victoria sponge cake or chocolate gateux !

Sue, did you read that ?

Steve
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I don't know where I am ! posted by Keith Body on 9/15/2009 at 3:34:39 PM
Thanks for the invitation gentlemen. A veteran for me would be: http://oldbike.wordpress.com/1895-butts-ordway-standish-bicycle/
A ladies, but beautiful example of US craftmanship. I can not risk even asking the price, I know what would happen.
1930s perhaps a genuine Italian racer, Gloria or similar.
Post WW2, many British hand built frames to choose from, but wheelbase about 40 inches.
Choose what equipment to use. Rims, Scheeren 8 ounce with wood blocks inside the rim to support the spokes, 32/32. Tubular tyres, Clement 6 ounce special silk. Hubs, and gears, Campagnolo. Brakes, Mafac or Universal. Cranks, Stronglight 49D with TA chainrings, later Campagnolo.
Pedals, Campagnolo. Saddle, Brooks.
I have my 1980 Moser team bike (made by De Rosa) with Campagnolo titanium parts, not really in use now. Also several others.
Is that enough?
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I don't know where I am ! posted by Chris on 9/15/2009 at 6:06:42 PM
Very good answer Keith! And Steve, may the wife always be your very best pal in the whole world!
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I don't know where I am ! posted by Kevin on 9/16/2009 at 11:40:24 AM
My "collection," actually an accumulation, has evolved, too. I have 10 Schwinn Sting-Rays, but sort of lost interest when I realized that a grown man looks like an idiot on a kid's bike. That led to my passion for English three-speeds and trade bikes. They were built for adults like me! I also like their understated paint jobs, cool engineering and timeless design.
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AGE / VALUE:   eBay item 300347597433 posted by: Matthew on 9/14/2009 at 7:57:48 AM
Not mine, seller not known to me.

Matthew - s'funny what you find
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   eBay item 300347597433 posted by Steve on 9/14/2009 at 2:53:01 PM
Well, how about this then....330358600394

Not mine, seller probably wouldn't want to know me !

Steve
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   eBay item 300347597433 posted by Matthew on 9/15/2009 at 10:37:36 AM
Currently less than an hour to run on Steve's suggestion and £132 bid. It is a huge BSA probably a 30" frame at least. A special order bike from the 50's and maybe documented somewhere. The seller doesn't really sem to know what he has in his hands.

I will update with final price.

Matthew - feeling small!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   eBay item 300347597433 posted by Matthew on 9/15/2009 at 2:22:00 PM
£360!

Matthew - its a L'oreal moment
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   eBay item 300347597433 posted by Steve on 9/15/2009 at 2:28:46 PM
Wow, that's a revolution, sorry....a revelation.

Steve
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   eBay item 300347597433 posted by Keith Body on 9/16/2009 at 4:45:44 AM
The seller of the tall BSA was careful not to show the joins. I think it was made from 2 old frames, possibly for someone very tall, or to be ridden circus style with stilts on legs. Not a BSA product. Buyer is not going to be too happy.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   eBay item 300347597433 posted by Matthew on 9/16/2009 at 10:06:27 AM
Thank you Keith.

You are almost certainly correct. I was puzzled by the two headbadges but your explanation makes that rather obvious.

Matthew - small framed
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   eBay item 300347597433 posted by Rod on 9/19/2009 at 3:36:53 AM
Oh yes, Keith is worth his weight in knowledge of all that he knows and with Chris, no reason to not get bored reading the novels he's written here unimpeded as it should be.

The rest of us are just garbage. Here is a website asking for the return of a stolen bicycle: http://oldtenspeedgallery.com/stolen-bikes/caydens-1976-motobecane-super-mirage/ I think Chris, Keith Body and his wife should write the guy about what garbage it is.

I've helped out people get parts here, even with some negative things going on here. Others have a right to speak to.
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   eBay item 300347597433 posted by Rod on 9/19/2009 at 4:07:36 AM
A Circus Bike Huh?? How profound!!! Obviously!!! Hope they were not mass produced like er, some people did!

A Circus Bike, knowledge so golden, so inspiring!! Breathtaking...
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   eBay item 300347597433 posted by Chris on 9/21/2009 at 6:44:05 PM
The rest of us are just garbage- Not True. It's pretty awesome that you have helped others find parts here. it's awesome and appreciated you do it because you love these cool bikes and because you are a decent fellow.

the rest of the team here are gems and I've been fortunite to have had the opportunity to be among you all.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Armstrong bicycle mid 1950's posted by: Warren Jones on 9/13/2009 at 12:10:10 PM
Looking for info on 1955ish Arnstrong mens lightweight bicycle. Appears to be black in color. Has ARMSTRONG stamped into sprocket. Pedals have ARMSTRONG embossed rubbers with red reflectors built into the ends. All it needs is a seat.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Armstrong bicycle mid 1950's posted by David on 9/13/2009 at 1:22:55 PM
Just add a B72 and you're golden!
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Armstrong bicycle mid 1950's posted by sam on 9/13/2009 at 4:34:36 PM
From the sprocket I suppect it to be a "light"roadster.Or sports bike.Armstrong did build a true Light weight 531 tubed bike,but they would have come with a williams chainring.And I'm told buy 1955 both Armstrung and Sun were being build in the same factory---and both were building Motorcycles/motorbikes/scooters by this time.
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Armstrong bicycle mid 1950's posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/14/2009 at 2:54:41 AM
I have a 62 Armstrong "Sports" light roadster. Red with chrome mudguards and the lovely "ARMSTRONG" chainring. Love it... I've been in the process of putting it to right and with a pair of moustache bars... and since the chainguard is gone... I've "converted" it to a faux-clubman.

A very fun machine.... with a dubious problem. No fault of the man himself but I'm sure you've tried searching on "Armstrong" bicycles and come up with tonnes of info on Lance.

A millstone us Armstrong owners are saddled with. Enjoy your machine! They're awesome!

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - No it's has NOTHING TO DO with Lance!
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Armstrong bicycle mid 1950's posted by Keith Body on 9/14/2009 at 4:35:18 AM
In 1955/6 I bought a number of genuine racing type hand built frames from Armstrong. David Duffield, well known later in UK as race commentator,also long distance racer, was running Armstrong for TI. He had Bill Gameson (well known Birmingham hand builder) silver brazing frames to specification. So the spec was typically Nervex Pro lugs, butted 531, Campagnolo ends, 5/8 seat stays, any colour, all for about £9 retail.
This is probably not the right place for this.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Armstrong bicycle mid 1950's posted by Steve on 9/14/2009 at 3:36:05 PM
It's still interesting nevertheless.

I was going to ask a question about MAES handlebars....but I'm not sure where to ask it !

Steve
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Armstrong bicycle mid 1950's posted by Chris on 9/14/2009 at 5:50:55 PM
Keith,don't worry about the "right place" for your answers. It came up here, we mentioned Armstrong and you had some information of interest to us nothing wrong with that. Information that is hard to come by too.

When did Armstrong quit making bikes and what else do you know about Armstrong can you share with us?

The Maes question can be asked on the lightweights section here on old roads.com
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Armstrong bicycle mid 1950's posted by Keith Body on 9/16/2009 at 12:49:53 PM
Steve, Maes handlebars were surely named after Sylvere Maes, early 1930s?, not Romaine. The square shape gave a position for the hooded type brake levers that were emerging, and allowed at least 4 different positions for the hands. Early post WW2 tended to be a bit narrow, perhaps 14.5 inches across centres. Never seen them on a trade cycle though, but possible in the old Parisian delivery boys tricycle race.
I suppose Armstrong disappeared with the other hundred or so names as Tube Investments were shrinking the cycle production. Difficult to tell because some names were only sold in a few countries.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Armstrong bicycle mid 1950's posted by Steve on 9/16/2009 at 3:21:21 PM
Hee, hee, hee !

14.5 inches on a tradebike, I can't imagine that.

My "fixed cog Rudge amateur racing dad" mentioned Maes bars to me, at first I though he said Mars bars....you'd look pretty silly, steering a bike with a Mars Bar !

My range of bicycle knowledge is somewhat improving, thanks to the likes of you and the other contributors to this site. Thanks.

Had fun and games today, trying to get 1st gear to hold in the 4 speed trigger (off a 4 speed FW hub), it was extremely tight and kept springing out, in the end I lowered the pulley wheel slightly to solve the problem (I'd tried everything else with no success)....cable is not parallel with the topbar now though !

Steve - a late beginner
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Armstrong bicycle mid 1950's posted by Rufina on 11/10/2009 at 9:23:21 AM
HELLO! I have a bicycle armstrong blue(made in England) made between 1930s and 1950s but i am not sure if someone has pictures of bicycles.It has a light on the wheel when you ride the bike the light turns on.
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AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Serial Numbers posted by: Kenneth on 9/11/2009 at 7:49:05 PM
Hi everyone.

I've been doing some research on serial numbers on my Malaysian-made Raleigh as well as a pair of Robin Hoods to determine their age and hope to seek the advice of the experts here please.

My men's Robin Hood has two serial numbers on the seat tube lug. The one on the left side is RH66068. Curiously, there is another one in smaller print facing up. This is I68448o. I cant seem to make any sense of this. Referring to the side facing serial number, this indicates Canadian manufacture in June 1966, or could it be 1976?
My female Robin Hood frame has a serial number on the seat tube itself, about 2 inches below the lug. It is DA43633. Can I conclude that the frame was made in Ireland in 1964?

The Malaysian made Raleigh's serial number is RM2520 on the seat tube lug.
This is different from the convention of having the first alphabet indicating factory (e.g. N being Nottingham). Seems the Malaysian made Raleighs may have the factory being the second alphabet.
Has anyone similar Malaysian made Raleigh?


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Serial Numbers posted by Kenneth on 9/11/2009 at 8:06:29 PM
Heres a pic of the Malaysian Raleigh's serial number. Sorry for the poor pic quality and thanks for the advice!


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Serial Numbers posted by Kenneth on 9/12/2009 at 2:57:28 AM
More pics of the Robin Hood Ladies Frame for your reference:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3472/3912078814_690af77331_b.jpg4
Sadly the original fork is missing from this frame...

And of the mens frame:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3660/3488680742_99f5c28046_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3651/3488683056_b5d065e7b8_b.jpg


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Serial Numbers posted by Kenneth on 9/13/2009 at 5:45:11 PM
Hi Everyone. Can someone help please?

I'm particularly baffled by the the top-facing serial number on the seat tube lug on the men's Robin Hood. Its the first I've come accross on such bakes and as it was purchased as NOS, its not possible that a previous owner stamped it in and repainted the frame.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Serial Numbers posted by chris on 9/14/2009 at 6:51:25 PM
I don't know about the serial number situation on Malaysian made Raleigh bikes.

I like the quality Raleigh England made headset and the bottom bracket spindle appears English Raleigh too, so they assembled English parts in the Malaysian produced frames. Paint looks good quality too.

We don't have the code book and to be more precise, nobody has contributed here with any real knowledge of the malaysian made Raleigh's you have some nice bikes to build up and ride and enjoy but for the moment this remains a mystery.

I had found and parted out a Raleigh from springs and I had the badge from the thing

I almost had delivered a motorized 28 inch wheel rod brake Raleigh from springs where Raleigh (t.i.) had a factory. I no longer have the catalogs they sent and I chased it but fell short there. Aside from what I have wrote from my adventures, I don't remember any body else mention their Mayalsian or African or India made Raleigh bikes here but they are about, collectors and folks do have them still and they are about but these are very rare and wonderful and magical the the paints schemes got special and wonderful and marvelously beautiful but you will have to be patient.

I should have gotten on the plane and gone to see the closing of the Tube investments Raleigh factory in Springs, South Africa and I did not and I am so sorry!

I could have gone into the dumpster and gotten the serial number code book, gotten arested for trespassing in South Africa, met the gone out with the lovely sounding lady and helped her find a new job.

We never hear from any former workers and like information about British Hercules bicycles this has faded into closed mists of time but be like me and keep shaking the tree and asking everyplace stay in touch
humberchristopher29@hotmail.com
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Serial Numbers posted by Chris on 9/15/2009 at 6:10:00 PM
The Raleigh from Springs that I parted out was a kids bike and I wanted it for the badge.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Serial Numbers posted by Kenneth on 9/16/2009 at 1:25:21 AM
Thanks Chris for your thoughts.

To clarify, the Raleigh made in Malaysia is not the cause for my confusion - that would be the dual serial numbers on the male frame Robin Hood, which was made in England.

Well, if anyone has knowledge of why this is so, please let me know. Thanks.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Serial Numbers posted by Kenneth on 9/17/2009 at 8:21:28 AM
Hi Everyone

Seems my hunch on the Malaysian Raleigh might be right. Some kind stranger I met today - who lived in Malaysia and who is a collector - shared with me the following:

The 'RM' prefix in the serial number did indeed stand for Raleigh Malaysia. Assuming this is so, the Malaysian factory did not follow Raleigh Nottingham convention.

Initial batches (starting arround 1975) were assembled from CKD kits shipped in from the UK. Only tyres were locally sourced.

Later batches of Malaysian Raleighs (estimated to be late '70s-'80s) were almost fully produced locally, except certain parts such as lugs, and so could not have head badges that said Nottingham England on them. The places on the head badges where these words should have been were replaced by two black lines.

Unfortunately the gentleman whom i chatted with today about the Malaysian Raleighs was equally baffled by the mystery of the dual serial numbers on my Robin Hood.

So that my intentions are not misunderstood, Im sharing this so that anyone who might someday come across a Malaysian made Raleigh may be able to discover its origin somewhat easier. I don't expect the nice folks here to know everything, and am only hoping that someone - perhaps one who drops by occasionally -may know and share.

My email address is provided for further discussion offline if anyone is interested (now that I've realised to my embarrassment that its the correct thing to do here, I regret missing that out earlier).

Cheers.


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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Serial Numbers posted by Chris on 9/18/2009 at 12:15:29 PM
dual serial numbers could be simply that a mistake was made in stamping and the person operating the equipment didn't want to alert a supervisor to their mistake and it made it's way down the line, past quality control, and out the door.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Serial Numbers posted by Kenneth on 9/20/2009 at 8:20:24 PM
Hmmm, I never thought of that possibility. Makes sense... thanks Chris



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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Serial Numbers posted by Kenneth on 9/22/2009 at 8:43:22 PM
Correction: The place on the Malaysian made headbadges where the words 'Nottingham England' should be is replaced by two gold lines. Not black ones.

Trivia: The Malaysian company that used to make Raleighs still manufactures bikes today under their own brand, Lerun. Berjaya LeRun Industries Berhad began operations in the early 70's under its earlier name of Raleigh (Malaysia) Berhad, a pioneer in the manufacture of bicycles in Malaysia.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Serial Numbers posted by Chris on 9/23/2009 at 11:55:02 AM
Thanks for the trivia, I'll add that information into my 1975 "story of the raleigh cycle" book by: Gregory Houston Bowden

this is what happened to the Raleigh empire they allowed it to be bought out and taken over by the plants management.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Serial Numbers posted by Tina on 5/23/2011 at 3:56:05 PM
I am trying to find out the value of the bike that I have. on the head badge it says Robin Hood of nottinham England. the year is 57 and the serial number is 9085 RB. can you help tell me the aproximate value? any information you can give me would be great.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Serial Numbers posted by Tina on 5/23/2011 at 3:56:42 PM
I am trying to find out the value of the bike that I have. on the head badge it says Robin Hood of nottinham England. the year is 57 and the serial number is 9085 RB. can you help tell me the aproximate value? any information you can give me would be great.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Serial Numbers posted by Chris on 5/27/2011 at 9:44:52 AM
type in "robin hood bicycle" on e- bay and see what they are going for. do a completed auction search.

can you post a picture of your bike?

1957 is a very good year for Robin Hood bikes nicer cranks, nicer paint offerings what color is this bike?

I would keep it and ride and enjoy this bike, unless you really need the money. How did you find it?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Serial Numbers posted by m Egan on 6/1/2011 at 2:51:32 PM
My bike(age unknown)has no serial numbers that i can find.It is a ladies bike .Raleigh Robinhood nottingham england.Black with white/blk back fender.white handlebar "bumpers".Dunlap tires.Sturmey archer markings on siver peice near pedals..Here is the question....It has no gears.Pedal breaks.And no serial numbers.Any idea of age???
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Serial Numbers posted by marty on 10/11/2011 at 4:59:31 PM
I am looking for a year on a Robin Hood with serial # 95387bz please let me know if you can help thankyou
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Serial Numbers posted by jj on 10/12/2011 at 4:06:16 AM
>> am looking for a year on a Robin Hood

Look for a 2-digit date code on the rear hub.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   14" tires posted by: Tim on 9/11/2009 at 3:36:51 PM
I`m trying to locate 3 tires and tubes for an old English tricycle. It has Dunlap Jr. tires 14 x 1 3/8 tires on it. Any help?
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   14 posted by Matthew on 9/13/2009 at 12:22:05 PM
Ebay Item No. 280314578442

I doubt you'll find them elsewhere?

Matthew - two tyred; Often!
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MISC:   CHAIN RECALL posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/11/2009 at 6:26:46 AM
Not that it really applies to our machines, but to the community on the whole... so pass it along, etc.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/shopping_blog/2009/09/sram-bike-chain-recall.html

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - an unsettling chain of events.....
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           RE:MISC:   CHAIN RECALL posted by Jeff Bikeguy on 9/11/2009 at 9:10:50 AM
I saw this and had visions of replacing thousands of chains in the shop in the upcoming months...

Fortunately, it's just a short run of high end, ultra narrow chains for 10 speed clusters. Only the connector link is affected.
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           RE:RE:MISC:   CHAIN RECALL posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/12/2009 at 3:41:34 AM
Correct. Still.... one of the fellows I work with actually has the unit on one of his machines. As is the mode of failure of such things, it will fail whilst under extreme load.

We don't need to describe what that could lead to... but we did jokingly refer to a nefarious scheme aimed at emasculation.... ;-)

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Yes... it IS a chain letter!
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1953 Portland 3-speed posted by: Bob on 9/11/2009 at 4:42:59 AM
Thanks for the input. Looking forward to cleaning her up! Anyone know of a source for mudguards?
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1953 Portland 3-speed posted by Steve on 9/11/2009 at 3:53:01 PM
I was going to say....my garage !

But more realistically, I would say :-
eBay or elderly scrap/doner bikes etc that can quite often be obtained :-
1. out of a bin
2. for a pittance
3. for a donation to the Mothers Union
4. for a donation towards the rebuilding of the church organ (or in our case....the vicar).
5. or even...."NOWT" !

Some of my older mudguards are made out of "Sherman tank" metal, so it's back to bare metal time, out with the dents, and a day or two relaxing (whilst whistling Frank Ifield tunes) with the paint brush, or spray gun if you're feeling adventurous (whilst whistling Iron Maiden tunes) !

Sometimes, a good clean down with an oil substance (whilst humming Doris Day tunes) may reveal a mudguard that can go straight on to the bike, hence keeping an aged, weathered or original patina.

Steve



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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1953 Portland 3-speed posted by Rod on 9/12/2009 at 4:36:28 PM
Everyone should always check out http://www.ebay.co.uk , I think they have a lot of things that don't show up on ebay.com . I was looking at a bunch of mudguards there not long ago. They'll ship little things like mudguards/fenders.

Now, in the UK, their equivalent of Craig's list is called "gumtree", I haven't looked into it in depth, perhaps that is a place.

they have some old roadsters forum too there. I have not gone in a long time, but often, they have a market place and you can say what you are looking for as well.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   help iding posted by: roberto carlos on 9/10/2009 at 6:32:18 PM
well i just bought this raleight roadster from a local bike shop for $80 but i am having trouble getting the rod brakes. are this phillips style or raleight? people have told me it could be from 1936 but i doubt it? no i have not checked the hub yet. i begining to think it is a fake raleight as i have not seen them with a double tt. the top bearly reads made in england and the seat tube reads all steel in cursive characters.


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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   help iding posted by roberto carlos on 9/10/2009 at 6:45:03 PM
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e37/roca-rule/IMAGE_085.jpg
try this or the image link.


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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   help iding posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/10/2009 at 7:40:53 PM
Looks like the genuine article... except for the seat. What exactly seems to be the issue with the brakes? looks to be all there from what I can see.

$80 is an excellent price for this machine, I might add and yes... judging by the handlebars, an older model.

Nice find. Nice price. Well done!!!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Some folks get all the brakes!
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           RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   help iding posted by Vin on 9/11/2009 at 3:39:46 AM
This link works:


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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   help iding posted by Matthew on 9/11/2009 at 10:16:36 AM
Hi There,
The brake bridge (or saddle) on the down tube, is Rudge designed so that fits well with it being a Raleigh of the said period and the frame angles are saying that too - ask Keith about geometry. It could be an Indian made Raleigh?

Matthew - all Greek to me.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   help iding posted by Keith Body on 9/11/2009 at 1:43:06 PM
Hi Roberto, If this was UK made, it was an export only model. Probably Raleigh sold unassembled bikes, as well as setting up factories in India and others. From what I can see (not much) it looks like about 1960, but could be later, pretending to be 1920. The brakes look like Raleigh, and generally in good shape. Looks like 36/40 spoking, unusual, but might have been for a heavy duty locality. Unbelievable what they carried on these.

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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   help iding posted by Kevin on 9/11/2009 at 5:14:21 PM
It was made for heavy-duty use, for sure. The small front sprocket and double top tube makes me think it was used to pull something or carry extreme weight.
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