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AGE / VALUE:   Murray Montereys, anybody? posted by: Everett E. Morris on 8/27/2009 at 2:38:23 PM
I have been searching and searching, much to no avail. I am looking for a self-proclaimed expert on Murray bicycles, primarily the Monterey 3-speed. The one I have is virtually perfect; it's my daily commuter due to the big shiny fenders. It's no resto-mod. It is in all original shape with some sticker damage on the seat tube. That, of course, created some paint damage that is currently being protected by electrical tape (you have to do what you can on a budget.) Other than that, what would a heavy bike like this be valued at? Also, if anyone has any information on the general time period. Most sites are saying that Murray had no number system. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Murray Montereys, anybody? posted by sam on 8/27/2009 at 3:09:43 PM
Your post should go under the ballooner area.
That being said Murray was an old and respected bicycle company--and built bikes for lots of companies like Western Auto and Sears.Yours sounds like a late model 3 speed cruzer of far eastern manuf.Not much in way of collector valus but keep riding it---who knows maybe in 50 or 75 years.......
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Murray Montereys, anybody? posted by Chris on 8/27/2009 at 4:11:31 PM
Wheel parts maker turned bicycle, Murray Ohio Manufacturing Company. Sam is right, post under balloon tire section keep looking please post a picture under the balloon tire section even though yours is a 3 speed and does not have balloon tires it is a better place to ask and I'd love to see a picture of your bike there.


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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Murray Montereys, anybody? posted by Chris on 8/27/2009 at 4:17:51 PM
can't say on the value, without a picture of the bike. Not much I'm afraid look at Murray bikes on e- bay look for one like yours.
Enjoy it, ride it, keep it in good shape list it for the heck of it and see what if anything happens. Perhaps somebody out there wants one and a plus is, yours is in good shape. When somebody really wants it, they pay the asking price.

This is my best advice but it is given with me being uncomfortable about not seeing the bike so please post a picture under the ballooner area.
Questions on the 3 speed gears and bearings and bottom bracket area still can be answered no problem.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Murray Montereys, anybody? posted by Dave F on 8/28/2009 at 9:09:35 AM
I just found a male version on craigslist for $50 in the Minneapolis area, in decent condition.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Murray Montereys, anybody? posted by Ron on 8/28/2009 at 9:04:14 PM
Dave F. Please post the page of which you bought a Murray for $50. This is extremely suspicious and sounds B.A.D. if so. I doubt anyone would be paying that much for a Murray, please provide some evidence. Additionally, how strange that you say you are posting from Minneapolis. What a menacing coincidence. Sounds like a crime to pay that much.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Head badge rivets posted by: Steve on 8/25/2009 at 2:15:46 AM
Having never fully restored a bike before (I've mended hundreds), it's now got to the stage where I'm hesitating over minor items in fear of spoiling the end result.

Nice headtube, nice original badge etc etc, secured by two rivets that could have come off HMS Ark Royal or Tower Bridge....I don't think so !

Obviously, there's not much internal clearance between the steerer and the headtube, so I was just wondering if any of you could advise me with some rivet measurements before I start liasing with folk that will no doubt want to sell them in packets of 1000 !

Majority of advertised rivets look miles to big.

I came across an old Roadster recently that had its badge glued on (rivet holes not used), just made me wonder why ?

Any advice gladly appreciated.

Steve
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Head badge rivets posted by David on 8/25/2009 at 4:27:38 AM
Search the archives at www.classicrendezvous.com There was discussion of this within the last month or two and there were several good suggestions (alternatives and sources).
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Head badge rivets posted by Steve on 8/25/2009 at 12:05:26 PM
Local hardware stores have so far produced nothing narrower than 3mm....which is too big !
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Head badge rivets posted by Keith Body on 8/25/2009 at 12:55:04 PM
Hi Steve, While I am trying to remember what we used, Cinelli used very small screws. I have a set of BA taps, 2 to 9BA, which are near enough to several metric sizes, 9BA is about 1.4mm. You might find some very small self tapper. I get some very nice small screws from some of the computer hard discs.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Head badge rivets posted by Steve on 8/26/2009 at 2:13:34 PM
Thanks for the advice gentlemen.

I'll get onto it as soon I'm happy with this Dyno-Four speed (I'm messing about with today) has woken up fully, and is changing gear when I order it to....and not when it feels like it !

Oh the joys of messing about with old stuff that's been asleep for years.

Steve
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Head badge rivets posted by Kevin on 8/27/2009 at 7:07:11 AM
"Messing around with old stuff that's been asleep for years." I know the feeling. Getting the horn to work on my 1930 Chevrolet truck was a rare thrill. It was like hearing a voice from the grave.
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Head badge rivets posted by chris on 8/27/2009 at 2:21:49 PM
"Messing around with old stuff that's been asleep for years" I love that line! Yes, That's what we do, and it's totally wonderful and fulfilling.

I saw the "air horn video" off of the Titanic ship that was recovered from the wreck on the ocean floor and they brought it up and restored it and they blew it! and you can hear the exact tone of the thing and it was really something to see and more so, to hear it. I think it was on you tube, but I am not sure.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Head badge rivets posted by Steve on 8/27/2009 at 3:57:58 PM
The 1955 Dyno-Four speed is now fully awake....and is great fun (well, fourth isn't if you're pedalling into a head wind).

It's funny really, something can look a real down and out no-hoper piece of crap, but a bit of t.l.c. and some good fortune can bring a ray of sunshine to a drab day !

A Raleigh Twenty Stowaway has just landed here, brakes seized, gears don't work, no chain, rusty rims etc etc....this is going to be fun, and I can't wait to ride it !
I would hesitate a guess and say that 90% to 95% of Twenty's in England are NOT foldables.

Anyhow, the head badge rivets will just have to wait a little longer now !

Steve



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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Head badge rivets posted by Chris on 8/27/2009 at 4:25:44 PM
Abord the million dollar yachts are vintage Raleigh Twenty stowaway bikes just like yours latched to the railing of the boat beside the lovely lady lying on her stomach sunning herself on a plastic lawn chair also on the deck of the boat.

When we go ashore I'll need to borrow your bike to run into a store for a bottle of Campari and a few other things.
Another fun little bike is the Schwinn Run- a bout.
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           RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Head badge rivets posted by Chris on 8/27/2009 at 4:27:53 PM
If fourth is too high, slap in a larger tooth cog they go as high as 22 and with a bit of looking you can find a 24 tooth cog.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Head badge rivets posted by Kevin on 8/27/2009 at 7:18:02 PM
The Raleigh Twenty is a great little bicycle, and I can see why Raleigh sold a jillion of them. I got a doggy one -- made in 1968 or 1969, I can't recall which -- a couple of months ago in a trade and I've been enjoying it ever since. I regreased the bottom bracket, replaced a brake cable and the shift cable, oiled everything, and it rides perfectly. Mine has the solid frame, and it's a stiff, nimble, surprisingly fast little bike. The rear rack is really handy, especially when I strap an old bike basket on with a bungee cord. I'm 6'1" but with the handlebars and seat hiked to the max, it fits me perfectly.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Head badge rivets posted by Steve on 8/29/2009 at 1:09:17 PM
Chris, the cog/sprocket on the 55 Dyno-Four is a 17 tooth, there was no head wind today going down the hill....I got flashed by a speed camera !

I then reverted to the Stowaway mentioned above, I couldn't wait to ride it, yes it was fun (completely different) but fun, I just wished people wouldn't leave things out in the garden unmoved for years....half the rims have chrome, the other half of the rims have peeled off brittle remnants of chrome.

Oh well, at least they're not rotted through like many of the Roadsters and Tradebike rims I've come across.

Steve
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Alan Sillitoe, have any of you read his writings? posted by: Rod on 8/24/2009 at 8:10:57 PM
Those interested in Nottingham England, Raleigh, industrial or post-War England might find Sillitoe to be an interesting read especially since he is mainly a short story writer, great intriguing often funny stuff. He may have even worked some in the Raleigh factory and I know he talks about bicycles and bicycle factories time and again in his writings.

His most famous story is "Loneliness of a Long Distance Runner"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Sillitoe - Wikipedia article excerpt:

"Alan Sillitoe (born 4 March, 1928) is an English writer, one of the "Angry Young Men" of the 1950s (although he, in common with most of the other writers to whom the label was applied, has never welcomed it)."

So, in some ways, his writings are a bit cutting edge but not like say some of the suave existential writers like Camus or Beckett. Short stories, try a bit, it's dynamite stuff, Made in Nottingham!
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Alan Sillitoe, have any of you read his writings? posted by Keith Body on 8/25/2009 at 1:45:57 PM
Hi Rod, I believe he also wrote "Saturday night and sunday Morning", the film had some scenes shot inside the old Raleigh works.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Alan Sillitoe, have any of you read his writings? posted by Steve on 8/26/2009 at 2:21:46 PM
The Hell Drivers, Saturday Night Sunday Morning, Billy Liar etc....I haven't seen these films for years.

Must find out if they're available.

Steve


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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Alan Sillitoe, have any of you read his writings? posted by Rod on 8/26/2009 at 7:39:49 PM
Apparently his father worked for Raleigh.

From what I've read there is a lot of crime in his books but sometimes done in absurd ways.

I mentioned the story "Loneliness of a Long Distance Runner", that book is actually put on lists of fiction for runners.

But I'm reading some of his other stories. Fine reading or the movies can be good.

I like that he uses a lot of English lingo, I don't know if slang is always the appropriate word, though it is in that some parts of England are known for saying "Something" like "Summa" (and for the record, "Summa" may be said more in some dialects like around Sunderland, the Mackems for example, Sunderland is near Newcastle, so perhaps the Geordies say that as well) a Borstal seems to be a boys reform school. A lot of his books have a bit of a crime angle to it but there is a heck of a lot of other stuff too.

Some stories on romances to an extent, I remember some story with a divorced couple and the story centred around the fact, that somehow a painting they had when married ended up in a pawn shop. Real good emotional stuff. I don't know how to quite describe it but like Kafka, you can sit down and read a short story without getting embroiled in a whole long book.




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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Alan Sillitoe, have any of you read his writings? posted by Steve on 8/27/2009 at 2:10:39 PM
"Something" in the North Staffordshire Potteries area (Stoke on Trent), famous for Wedgwood, Spode, Minton, Royal Doulton pottery etc etc, would be pronounced "summat" in the local dialect.

Borstal is a centre for naughty boys, hopefully they emerge from there as reformed characters....but not always !

Most areas have their own local dialect, I once heard that the "clearest" English was spoken in Oxford.

Steve - open minded
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AGE / VALUE:   new roadster bike sighting in texas posted by: Chris on 8/19/2009 at 6:46:19 PM
A perfect enclosed chainguard, new bike over all not a repaint or a restoration, different loop style rear fender holder green paint 28 inch wheels, it appeared and went by fast could not see the make or talk to them they were too fast.

Somebody is still making 28 inch wheel enclosed chainguard bikers and a couple of folks own a pair in san Antonio

I could not believe my eyes!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   new roadster bike sighting in texas posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/20/2009 at 2:37:21 AM
Hmmm..... sounds interesting. Perhaps a Flying Pidgeon? They come in a rather interesting assortment of colours. Always difficult to ascertain during a "ride by".

Do keep on it Christopher.... We're of course all intersted. Hunt them down indefatigably and get the inside info and get them IN HERE if at all possible.

We can't have RRR's (Renegade Roadster Rider)'s out there unaccounted for after all!

Do tell though.... was it the lighter green of a 70's vintage Sports? Or.... (and if it is... I WANT one) more the absolutely gorgeous, deeper, non-metallic British Racing Green from the days of yore????

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - The colour of envy? MAYBE!!!!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   new roadster bike sighting in texas posted by sam on 8/20/2009 at 7:15:22 PM
And wed. on brodway a girl flew around the corner on a butcher bike type bike--with the smaller front wheel.green and English or maybe Europen looking.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   new roadster bike sighting in texas posted by Rod on 8/21/2009 at 10:08:23 AM
They still make the 28 inchers in India and they frequently show up on bay and are of course, available in the UK.

Roadsters in general have enjoyed a revival, this gal, I think is learning herself in writing her blog: http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/search/label/rod%20brakes but being up around Boston, she's carrying on a tradition as well and that's gotta be good.

Check ye ol' Fendi Abici, carrying on the trad of Italian Roadsters as well: http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/search/label/rod%20brakes

Good lil' blog all the same but she doesn't say much new.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   new roadster bike sighting in texas posted by Rod on 8/21/2009 at 10:18:42 AM
Fendi Abaci, a bit pricey at $5,900 http://www.nitrolicious.com/blog/2009/05/22/the-fendi-abici-amante-donna-bicycle/

The Club Monaco by Gazelle http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/search/label/rod%20brakes is nice.

It'd be interesting to know if the bikes you saw had Rod Brakes.
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   new roadster bike sighting in texas posted by Rod on 8/21/2009 at 10:43:07 AM
I've got to add in, what kind of green? Weren't some of the Phillips bicycles green and had 28 inch wheels? That's part of what they still make in India.


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   new roadster bike sighting in texas posted by Trevor on 8/22/2009 at 12:43:42 AM
possibly a Pashley, Stratford on Avon, UK,if any one imports.
http://www.pashley.co.uk/
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   new roadster bike sighting in texas posted by JS on 8/23/2009 at 4:25:17 PM
There are plenty of roadsters still imported into the US.

1. Both Flying Pigeon is imported to the US by many companies. One was located in Austin I believe, but I don't know if they still import. Others are in LA, Portland and NYC.

2. The same Texas firm also imported Forevers

3. Eastwood roadsters from India are imported by Yellow Jersey in NJ.

4. GIANT also makes roadsters called the "Khan". These have a covered chain case. They are not brake rod roadsters but instead are thoroughly modern. However in a quick drive by, they could easily be taken as something older.

JS

http://www.flyingpigeonproject.org
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   new roadster bike sighting in texas posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/24/2009 at 2:39:39 AM
Dunno about Pigeons in NYC anymore... seems their website has vanished... of course, that's not the best indicator of anything but just the other day I was looking to peruse their site and it 404'd on me...

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Gone? I hope not!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   new roadster bike sighting in texas posted by JS on 8/24/2009 at 5:32:02 AM
Just tried FP NYC. They have both a Blog and a Website. Seems the Blog get's more traffic and the website is just contact info.

But if you can't get hold of them, FP LA and Portland seem to do helluva business.

JS

Http:/www.flyingpigeonproject.org
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   new roadster bike sighting in texas posted by Rod on 8/24/2009 at 5:35:41 AM
The NY Blog, because I was just looking at it the other day. Nice idea for a blog, photograph these bikes on the streets of NY.

http://flyingpigeonnyc.blogspot.com/


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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   new roadster bike sighting in texas posted by Chris on 8/24/2009 at 7:53:20 AM
it was a dark forest green and marvelous paint could be the same folks who have the butchers bike or the same supplier perhaps?

good to see they are out there!

usually I just see mountain bikes that have not been greased or oiled since new and everybody rides these junk mountain bikes with no brakes and they don't act like they have the know how to fix a brake by adding a lost cable and adjusting it "yes, I have to have it fixed" he said
and I stood there muttering ....."you can fix it yourself" and he looked at me stunned, like "Do you know how?" and I said "just look at it!" "and go buy a cable" everybody acts ignorant and nobody works on their own stuff anymore and nobody maintains their bikes and it's all junky mountain bikes and I took one look at it and gee, I don't want to fool with because it is junk and I don't care either, now. I see the nitwit all over and I will fix the brakes for him lest he roll out in front of some car. - this is the south side of san antonio, tx and things are different bikewise all over.

this other guy nearly ran into my friend and almost pushed her
into the street and he brushed past me and NOBODY has a bike bell on their bikes nothing and the bike was silent and he came up fast too.

rod, I will check out the blog, thanks
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   new roadster bike sighting in texas posted by Greg on 8/25/2009 at 3:15:38 PM
If you go to our host's Craigslist home town's bike section (well, Boston) you will find a Pakistani roadster for sale
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           vintage raleigh in mumbai posted by roshan on 9/5/2009 at 12:35:44 PM
wish to buy raleigh bicycle 3 speed or without 3 speed in india or raleigh model before1990
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Original Raleigh posted by: Pete F on 8/19/2009 at 2:17:07 PM
What a beauty - ebay no. 180398365865.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Original Raleigh posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/19/2009 at 6:57:02 PM
Wow... that is in exceptional condition and very nicely appointed as well.

A perfect example of why I limit my Ebay searches to North America.... I would dehydrate from drooling of the offerings from across the pond....

Thanks for posting this one up though.... She's sweet!

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - what a lady!
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Original Raleigh posted by Rod on 8/25/2009 at 6:39:53 AM
There's a new place to admire 3 speeds on the web: http://threespeedgallery.blogspot.com/ I like the Gold Hercules on that page, still probably a Raleigh product.

In the UK, it must be over half the Roadsters are pick up only of the ones on ebay. Some sellers though, I've found, will go ahead and ship them if you ask.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1950's Cycle built for 9' 3" tallest man posted by: Chas on 8/19/2009 at 6:01:41 AM
1950 British pathe newsreel of world's tallest man,
Ted Evans riding his specially built bike..

...it's HUGE

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=48141
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1950's Cycle built for 9' 3 posted by Rod on 8/21/2009 at 10:11:20 AM
On a related subject, Bill Walton, famous basketball player I read once, had a bike specially fixed for him. He's got to be around 6'10" or something.

http://heylucy.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c7e2f53ef01157089338b970b-800wi

I'd pass the standover height!


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AGE / VALUE:   Brass Spoke Nipples posted by: JS on 8/19/2009 at 3:17:13 AM
Anyone know a source of brass spoke nipples that are NOT nickle plated? I want yellow,shiny brass.

http://www.flyingpigeonproject.org
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Brass Spoke Nipples posted by Keith Body on 8/19/2009 at 11:15:14 AM
Brass would not be shiny for long. The nickel helps to reduce the electrolytic action caused by the brass. In the early days of aluminium alloy rims we used to get specially plated spoke nipples, but the expected electrolytic action using nickel plate was not significant in the expected life of a light rim. Some of these were as little as 8 ounces.
I suppose you could polish them on a buffing wheel.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Brass Spoke Nipples posted by sam on 8/19/2009 at 11:19:52 AM
You might try Gold(gold colored I'm sure)Lots of new colors out at present.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Brass Spoke Nipples posted by Keith Body on 8/19/2009 at 11:38:25 AM
I have seen anodised aluminium in various colours
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Brass Spoke Nipples posted by JS on 8/19/2009 at 6:45:18 PM
Actually, Aluminum is completely unacceptable.

Not worried about galvanic corrosion very much as it is so dry here, the bike rarely get's wet and I now store it inside. So there should be little corrosion.

As far as electrolytic reaction, again, hardly run the dynamo, so I don't see this as a big issue either....at least nothing a little polishing can't cure.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Brass Spoke Nipples posted by Rod on 8/21/2009 at 6:56:22 PM
And ammonium is suppose to dissolve corrosion on aluminum.

Very nice blog. They sell or sold the Flying Pigeons at the nearby University bicycle shop. I haven't been down there in a while. Maybe where they are sold in the states is given at some website.
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Brass Spoke Nipples posted by Chris on 8/24/2009 at 7:56:44 AM
My mechanic friend sprays ammonia mixed with a bit of water on rusty/ frozen rusty bikes to loosen parts he lets it sit a few moments it works.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Brass Spoke Nipples posted by JS on 8/27/2009 at 6:08:37 AM
Rod-

Thanks. Glad you appreciate the blog. Currently there is no aluminum on the bike, but I'll have to remember that ammonia trick.

-JS

http://www.flyingpigeonproject.org/
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AGE / VALUE:   tyres posted by: sam on 8/18/2009 at 8:52:12 AM
This of the CABE web site:
http://www.thecabe.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=6509
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Stuck Sprocket posted by: JS on 8/17/2009 at 4:47:15 PM
Anyone got any recommendations for removing a stuck sprocket from a rear hub or gearhub driver? I've got one that is stuck on a driver and it is absolutely welded in place.

Sound advice is appreciated.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Stuck Sprocket posted by sam on 8/17/2009 at 5:39:59 PM
Screw on or slip ring type?
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Stuck Sprocket posted by JS on 8/18/2009 at 4:20:12 AM
Slip ring type.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Stuck Sprocket posted by Keith Body on 8/18/2009 at 5:19:44 AM
If you have a SA wide ratio hub with the circlip type driver, have you got the circlip off? If so, with the driver off the hub, you can place the driver in a suitable piece of tubing and tap downwards with a blunt instrument.
The tubing should be larger than the outer bearing, but not to distort the dustcap behind the cog, or larger than the dustcap.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Stuck Sprocket posted by JS on 8/18/2009 at 5:53:13 AM
Not SA, but similar enough.

Yes, the slip ring is off. Tapping, hammering, pulling and prying...all the usual methods and then some don't work. Like I said, it's really stuck.

Any other suggestions.


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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Stuck Sprocket posted by sam on 8/18/2009 at 8:46:26 AM
Might try a gear /steering wheel type puller.
Or heat it.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Stuck Sprocket posted by Steve on 8/18/2009 at 3:20:46 PM
Had a similar job recently with a stuck noisy freewheel....out with the flame thrower and a very firm whack, eventually released it.
Steve
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AGE / VALUE:   Mattress Saddle Madness???? posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/16/2009 at 7:19:11 AM
Not for nothing and no offence intended to anyone bidding... but is this not a bit much for a mattress saddle? Admittedly in remarkable condition and yes, I would love to have it for my Sprite as an OEM replacement... but I think it's just bid up too high.

http://cgi.ebay.com/BROOKS-SPRING-SADDLE-SEAT-VINTAGE-RALEIGH-ENGLISH-BIKE_W0QQitemZ140338849083QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCycling_Parts_Accessories?hash=item20acd8e53b&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - I'll sell mine for HALF!
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   need advise posted by: Brofig on 8/14/2009 at 5:46:11 PM
I have several bikes from years past. and would like to sell them to someone who will appreciate them. Any informati9on or comments will be appreciated.

#1 Vintage Women’s Bicycle - Hercules three speed. It is an English lightweight, made in England. - Blue - As best I can determine it is a late 1950’s or a 1960 bike.
Has full fenders, chain guard, light, bell, streamers, and original seat in good condition. It has Sturmey Archer three speed hub and control. This bike has come out of storage and has not been touched up, has the same tires, dirt etc.

#2 Vintage Men’s Bicycle - Savoy three speed - Red - Made by Union Cycle Company Limited in England. Sun tour three speed hub, original seat in good condition, has full fenders, chain guard etc.

Questions:
1- should I clean them up ( some say let the buyer clean them up?)
2 - should I fix them up? put on new tires etc. before I sell.
3. - how is the best way to know what a fair price would be for each of them.
4. I can e-mail pic's to anyone who is interested on seeing them.

.I think the Hercules is probably worth more, has more accessories like light, bell, streamers on handlebar grips etc.

any suggestions or comments will be appreciated.

does anyone know of a better site for english three speed bicycles?

thank you in advance,

BroFig


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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   need advise posted by Matthew on 8/15/2009 at 3:44:39 AM
There is no better website for British Three speed bicycles, information thereon or good humoured banter in the whole WWW.

Thanks for posting here. Can you do links to photos? That will help greatly.

Sun Tour 3 speed hub? That's new to me!

Matthew - old enough to know the difference and young enough to care.
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   need advise posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/15/2009 at 5:48:20 AM
In complete concurrence with Matthew. You're in the right place and your machines, particularly the Savoy sound quite interesting.

And whilst a thousand words may download faster.... pictures would be most helpful.

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - pretty as? Let's hope so!
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   need advise posted by Rod on 8/17/2009 at 2:15:56 AM
I put in a web search on this term "savoy bicycle union cycles" not to plug another site, but I found some pictures of the Savoy and this one is very classy. I'm just adding this in. For myself, it's not always easy to be camera fitted and everything yet people seem to want pictures.
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   need advise posted by ken on 8/17/2009 at 2:25:02 PM
In Sunset for SunTour, Frank J. Berto states that "Sturmey-Archer made 3-speed AW hubs with a SunTour logo on the shell for Maeda in the 1970s."
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   need advise posted by Keith Body on 8/18/2009 at 5:08:51 AM
Are you sure about "Savoy Union" made in England. The only one I know of is Dutch, makers of heavyweights for the local market.
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   need advise posted by Rod on 8/18/2009 at 5:24:30 AM
I found those pictures of a Savoy, had vinyl over the back mudguard. I've seen them too with a like mesh over the back wheel. A ferry from the UK to Hook, Netherlands is a short ride. Many of us don't know how close the two are. UK is known for having so much rain.

http://www.dewaalfietsen.nl/damesfietsen-stadsfietsen-c-33/union-savoy-3-versnellingen-p-1741 Here is a modern Union Savoy.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   need advise posted by Matthew on 8/18/2009 at 10:50:09 AM
Hi Folks,

Royce Union are Dutch not English. The bikes have a very Dutch look to them and don't look at all English. They also look very good quality and a pleasant ride.

Harwich to the Hook is several hours journey, you need a passport and there is a language difference and a currency to exchange. I have friends in the Netherlands and I am of Dutch extraction (William of Orange era) so I'm not a xenophobe but to say the Netherlands is a short ride away is not correct.

Rod, are you in the UK? I live on the east coast, in Norfolk with the lowest rainfall in the UK and I can assure you it isn't wet here. We seldom ever get an inch in any week of the year and recently have had no significant rainfall for over 10 days.

Folks, please don't believe all the stereo typical stuff you hear about the UK. Come over and visit if you haven't already. Don't start me on our brilliant, outstanding National Health Service to which I owe my life and well being.

Matthew - over the top?
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   need advise posted by Stewart on 8/19/2009 at 7:25:37 AM
Hi,
I have seen the statements concerning Sturmey Archer producing the Suntour 3-speed hubs. If only all of the 1970's SA AW hubs were as good as these!I bought a box lot of NOS hubs and after disassembling some of them it was obvious that they were made in a completely different factory(Japanese) to a much higher standard than SA. The ball rings have twice the indents of the SA hub and the pawls are hard chromed. The internals will fit in an SA shell.Don't know about the other parts, they look slightly different than SA. Snap up any NOS hubs you can get, they are smooth as silk after they are broken in.
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           RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   need advise posted by Chris on 8/19/2009 at 6:30:35 PM
I had one of the Suntour Sturmey- Archer hubs and inside that shell, the innards were nothing like a Sturmey- Archer 3 speed a.w. hub it was a whole different and new design.

I have seen Royce union bikes that were total garbage and it was not from Holland or England but Japan or somewhere else. I left it at the kerb it was so bad saw nothing redeeming to save.
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   need advise posted by chris on 8/19/2009 at 6:32:58 PM
Yes, stewert is right on the money snap them up all of them and especially the rare trigger to it but new condition hubs are difficult to find and I collected rare hubs.
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   need advise posted by Chris on 8/19/2009 at 6:34:28 PM
I think Berto may well be wrong on what he said
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   need advise posted by ken on 8/20/2009 at 6:29:00 AM
This is an earthshaking heresy. Doubt the author of The Dancing Chain? Can anyone shed more light? I personally have never seen, let alone dismantled a Suntour 3-speed. Maybe S-A just made some shells for Suntour- in 1975 (again according to Berto), Maeda Industries still had fewer than 300 employees.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   need advise posted by Rod on 8/21/2009 at 10:23:49 AM
So first we were talking about Union Cycles and now we are talking about Royce Union. Are these the same company?? If it is fine but let's try to be clear.

Rain Rain, watch football from Blackburn to London, Newcastle. Are we saying their is not much rain in England?
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   need advise posted by K Body on 8/21/2009 at 12:38:51 PM
Rod, you are right, Brofig asked about Savoy Union, Dutch company but could be made anywhere.
The comments about Maeda 3-speed, I would think they took one look at the SA internal, had a good laugh and binned it.
The SA internal finish was always very crude, but accurate (apart from the 2 start thread) and the case hardening was perfectly even.
The Dancing Chain is more my thing, Having experienced on the road most of the early gears, 1930's to 1960's, and road raced with a Campagnolo Paris/Roubaix with the back pedal change. This is probably not best the place to remind myself, but if anyone is interested email me.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   need advise posted by Brofig on 8/23/2009 at 6:14:27 PM
Rod,
the emblem on the back fender reads as follows:
Union Cycle Company Ltd
SAVOY
Made in England

does this help?

send me your e-mail address and i'll send pic's

this applies to any other person interested in seeing Pic's



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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   need advise posted by chris on 8/24/2009 at 8:02:47 AM
I stand unshaken, still, upon my belief that Sturmey- Archer did not make the Sturmey- Archer/ Suntour 3 speed hub
and not the shifter either,
the hub was a new design a different and far better design and sturmey did not house the equipment that made it they did not own the equipment either it was not made in the u.k. it just says sturmey- Archer on the hub shell.
from some other manufactuer that wants to be left alone
I think Berto is wrong.
the book went to press before a full and complete look over perhaps? books are wrong at times
stuff is left out on purpose, for reasons that vary.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   need advise posted by Keith Body on 8/24/2009 at 8:23:46 AM
SAVOY, mystery no more. It is yet another Raleigh name, possibly with changed brakes. UK type Raleigh frame.
Brofig sent me a picture.
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           Question on Royce Union bike posted by Martin on 9/7/2010 at 8:47:22 AM
Found a 1960? royce union bike, has a old mesinger small banana seat, the chain fender says Mainliner; I have pics but I don't know how to posted, please reply
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AGE / VALUE:   The Mister Cycle by Miyata posted by: Laura on 8/14/2009 at 1:55:49 PM
I have a very cool and very tall bike made by Miyata and called the Mister Cycle. It has a loop frame, rod brakes, triangular kickstand. I can email pictures but have it listed on another forum right now. The bike was never ridden and has some of its paper wrapping still on the frame and the nubs on the tires. Every piece of this bike is stamped with the trademark cog with an M in the middle. Tires say The Mister Tyre. I'm trying to get more information and have searched everywhere. I'm not yet willing to call Japan but that seems like my last resort.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: The Mister Cycle by Miyata posted by Al on 8/14/2009 at 9:29:42 PM

Here's a guy who knows about Miyatas, Hernan Burgos. Sounds like they were rod brake cycles exported all over. Cool. I wish I a Mister Cycle.

He mentions the Mister Cycle in the comment section here:

http://www.miyatacatalogs.com/2007/12/miyata-catalog-1984.html


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   The Mister Cycle by Miyata posted by JS on 8/18/2009 at 4:27:53 AM
There are quite a few Miyatas rolling around Beijing but they tend to be of the newer (and extremely nice) variety. Will keep my eyes peeled for older ones

-JS

http://www.flyingpigeonproject.org
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: The Mister Cycle by Miyata posted by mike bennett on 8/22/2009 at 8:13:50 AM
i have a mister with a leather saddle and a spring loaded kickstand (non triangle) on the rear axle
the rims are heavy steel with 28" tires it also has
a miyatta bell.i replaced the tires and ride it at
halloween.i am imppressed with the smooth ride and
speed of the bike.i would like to find out what year
it was built.i would also like to sell it to a collector.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: The Mister Cycle by Miyata posted by MichaelB on 8/22/2009 at 8:51:21 AM
i have a mister with a leather saddle and a spring loaded kickstand (non triangle) on the rear axle
the rims are heavy steel with 28" tires it also has
a miyatta bell.i replaced the tires and ride it at
halloween.i am imppressed with the smooth ride and
speed of the bike.i would like to find out what year
it was built.i would also like to sell it to a collector.

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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: The Mister Cycle by Miyata posted by MichaelB on 8/22/2009 at 8:52:34 AM
i have a mister with a leather saddle and a spring loaded kickstand (non triangle) on the rear axle
the rims are heavy steel with 28" tires it also has
a miyatta bell.i replaced the tires and ride it at
halloween.i am imppressed with the smooth ride and
speed of the bike.i would like to find out what year
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: The Mister Cycle by Miyata posted by Jeff Kossew on 2/15/2011 at 6:27:21 PM
Picked-up an old The Mister Cycle head badge at an antique market on a recent trip to Beijing. Initially thought that it was a Chinese manufactured bicycle as was surprised to find out that it was in fact made by the Japanese. Can't determine the date but could well be 1950's.
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           The Mister Cycle by Miyata posted by Guillermo on 5/5/2011 at 7:38:32 PM
I have a MIYATA "The Mister Cycle" bought in 1967.
The serial number is N235629, can you tell me the manufacture date?
I'm interested in receive information of this model.
Thank you very much.
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AGE / VALUE:   pedals on gold Raleigh sports posted by: mark on 8/14/2009 at 12:45:22 PM
Say, Kurt, I know that you have at least 2 of the gold Sports models....i have been meaning to ask, do yours have standard Raleigh pedals with black treads & the Raleigh man (whether made in England or Germany)?....mine has plain chrome pedals--no markings at all...and they are somewhat smaller than the pedal above with no reflectors either
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   pedals on gold Raleigh sports posted by Kurt K. on 8/18/2009 at 6:55:00 AM
I used to own two gold Sports - it's down to my silver '80, the green '73, and my three '51s for Sports, and two DL-1's (including that Rudge). Part of the collection - still not updated - is listed in the Our Collection area here:

http://www.theheadbadge.ne1.net/

The men's 1970 S22 never had pedals when I got it. It wore some offbrands for a while, then I put post-1973 Union-made Raleigh pedals on it out of personal preference.

The ladies' 1973 (a very late 1972 with 1973 parts scattered all over it, to be exact) S22L, which came from eBay, had the Union pedals on it. I assume they were stock.

http://www.jaysmarine.com/Gold_double.jpg

I'm not certain I'm familiar with the pedals you describe - are these the semi-oval, nylon-bearing platforms similar to what the offbrands such as Robin Hood and Triumph might have been equipped with? I've had a set of those. I've also had the right one fly off the spindle while riding...

Take care,

-Kurt
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WANTED:   Raleigh Twenty forks and chainguard posted by: Kurt K. on 8/13/2009 at 8:27:00 PM
Been a while since I popped up in here; figured you fellows could help. I have a friend's Coffee (one of two) 1975 Twenty in for repair with a badly bent steerer tube and a twisted fork blade.

Normally, I'd straighten the blade in my Park fork jig, but the bent steerer hardly makes it worth the effort. That said, I'm seeking a replacement in the Coffee brown color, preferably post-'73 (slightly brighter brown in comparison to the earlier ones, and with the Rampar "R" decal as opposed to the Heron). Condition, preferably decent, but I'd be willing to take whatever I can get.

This machine is also missing it's chainguard, and I'd be interesting in locating the proper Coffee guard for it as well, if possible.

Incidentally, in addition to these that I am repairing - plus my own 1970 Twenty - I also have a very rusty, white, pre-'73 Twenty frame that I've intended to strip and do a mild custom upon (an all-chrome Twenty sounds interesting). This frame is also missing its fork and chainguard, and I'd be interested if anyone has donors they'd be willing to part with. Color doesn't matter in this case, nor condition - just so long as the fork is mechanically sound and the guard doesn't have holes in it.

That said, a few obligatory picture links for those curious:

'75 Twenty pair:
-As they arrived - the one on the stand has the fork damage:
http://www.jaysmarine.com/raleigh_twenty_g.jpg
-The more complete of the two, refurbed, polished, and ready to go:
http://www.jaysmarine.com/raleigh_twenty_g_1.jpg
http://www.jaysmarine.com/raleigh_twenty_g_2.jpg

'70 Twenty - I believe it has been at least two years since I last posted a photo of this machine here at Oldroads:
http://www.jaysmarine.com/raleigh_twenty_042309.jpg

The derelict white frame - rescued from a half-outdoors bike shop backlot after the shop changed owners (original owner of the shop wouldn't sell it - thought he had a gold mine):
http://www.jaysmarine.com/raleigh_twenty_white.jpg

Take care,

-Kurt

P.S.: My e-addy link should be self-explanatory as how to set it up. If not, let me know and post a reply.
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           RE:WANTED:   Raleigh Twenty forks and chainguard posted by Matthew on 8/14/2009 at 9:37:34 AM
Hi Kurt,

Glad you are back with us. i had only been talking about you this week. Steve and I met up and your name was mentioned in reverent and hushed tones.

Steve is a bit of a Twenty man, he will be back with us soon (on the DB) so lets see what he has to say.

Interesting that all your Twenties are origami models (folders).

Matthew - Come on in the water's warm.
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           RE:RE:WANTED:   Raleigh Twenty forks and chainguard posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/16/2009 at 6:41:32 AM
Kurt scares me.... I plan on re-locating to South Florida and I'm afraid if I do, he'll find me... and have me out there riding my nuggets off in that blasted heat down there.

Actually..... I can't wait. That and the rather large Table Tennis Club in Ft. Myers..... ;-)

Kurt.... if we ride during hurricanes.... can we make "Sailbikes" so do so?

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - anyone need snow tyres for their roadsters????
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           RE:WANTED:   Raleigh Twenty forks and chainguard posted by Steve on 8/16/2009 at 3:00:17 PM
Hello Kurt,

I must come clean and confess that my knowledge concerning Raleigh Twenties is purely down to "hands on" experience gained in the last two to three years or so.

As is often the case in this game, I came across the model more by accident than deliberation, my main interest (addiction) being vintage/classic rod braked Tradebikes (cycletrucks).
Nevertheless, the Twenty (in my humble and limited opinion) is a fine and very useful straight-forward no nonsense bike (although I do wonder if the electrically charged bikes i.e. dynohub, react negatively over a period of time with the rear metalwork in damp atmospheres.

I've yet to see a bent steerer tube, or for that matter any major problems, mine have been the usual....gears slipping, buckled wheels, rust, broken spokes and basic lack of simple maintenance.

I've canabalised many types of bikes in recent times for spares....but never a Raleigh Twenty, they've all been refurbished without major surgery and have left here in my opinion, to function for many years to come.

I've only had one "oregami" model, the rest have been basic to deluxe models, my current run-around is a 74 hand painted (not by me) green model....it's a joy to ride and is a million miles away from the unbelievable intelligence (and strength) required to steer a heavy laden rod braked Tradebike to its destination, without fear of demolishing buildings, knocking vehicles, people or even fellow cyclists off the road, whilst on route !

Finally, I've just acquired an immaculate (apart from the seat) 1990 20" Raleigh Solitaire, obviously the later type....I wonder if these are called Raleigh Twenties ?

Anyhow, I wish you well with your projects/repairs, nice to know that someone else has an interest in these things.

Steve


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           RE:RE:WANTED:   Raleigh Twenty forks and chainguard posted by Kurt K. on 8/18/2009 at 6:37:48 AM
Matthew:
>Interesting that all your Twenties are origami models (folders).

Funny thing, I haven't seen many fixed models locally, or for that matter, listed on eBay in the States (though they were sold). I gather most folks didn't understand a Twenty without the folding option.

Larry:
>Kurt.... if we ride during hurricanes.... can we make "Sailbikes" so do so?

Don't laugh, I've thought of it at times.

Steve:
>I've yet to see a bent steerer tube, or for that matter any major problems, mine have been the usual....gears slipping, buckled wheels, rust, broken spokes and basic lack of simple maintenance.

I took a photo of that steerer for BikeForums.net a couple of days ago - here it is:

http://www.jaysmarine.com/raleigh_twenty_fork_steerer.jpg

That said, I think I might be lucky in this case - I found one gent online with a hot-rodded Coffee model with a suspension fork, and he has the original as well (along with a spare green fork). Seems as if he is willing to part with them.

>Finally, I've just acquired an immaculate (apart from the seat) 1990 20" Raleigh Solitaire, obviously the later type....I wonder if these are called Raleigh Twenties ?

Is your '90 Solitaire the blue one presently on Flickr?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28120463@N07/3830795600/sizes/l/

I note the '80 Solitaire in the same photostream is yet another reissue of the original Twenty (as was the Stow-A-Way) - albeit, a non-folding version.

-Kurt
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           RE:WANTED:   Raleigh Twenty forks and chainguard posted by Steve on 8/18/2009 at 3:16:35 PM
Hi Kurt,

Yes that is my '90 Solitaire on Flickr, but I doubt it will be mine for much longer, funds are required for much needier and historically more interesting machines.
I keep a log of everything that goes through my hands, the bikes with English connections are put on Flickr, the other bikes (that are usually rubbish or poor quality copies) are dismantled quickly and fed to the dog before anyone sees them !

Steve
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           RE:WANTED:   Raleigh Twenty forks and chainguard posted by Keith Body on 8/19/2009 at 11:31:01 AM
Hi Kurt, Is that fork column (steerer) just bent a little sideways? If you have already done Raleigh forks, you know how soft they are. That bend is about where the fork column is butted. Get a 7/8 inch bar and stuff it down as far as possible, clamp in a strong vice and pull, gently.
You might need an assistant to stop it going too far.
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           RE:RE:WANTED:   Raleigh Twenty forks and chainguard posted by Chris on 8/19/2009 at 6:39:28 PM
welcome back, Kurt
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           RE:WANTED: Raleigh Twenty forks and chainguard posted by Al on 8/20/2009 at 6:15:54 PM

I've used the Park fork jig to repair head tubes before. Similar to what Keith just wrote. Mounted the fork in the Park gig tool in a heavy vice. Gave it a belly bump, and Bob's your uncle! One Birminghman-made Phillips back in action.

I've found that these steel frames have a memory. If you don't overdo it, the frame often remembers where it was with a little persuasion.


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           RE:RE:WANTED: Raleigh Twenty forks and chainguard posted by Kurt K. on 8/20/2009 at 7:08:34 PM
I've tried straightening a Japanese Royce Union's steerer tube once before with zero luck.

I'm surprised to hear that the steerer is butted on these things - no harm in trying; I'll give it a shot in my Park fork jig as Al suggests.

> welcome back, Kurt

Thank you, Chris. I must admit I've deserted to Bikeforums.net Classic & Vintage for the most part due to the organization of the threads and the blessing of an entirely separate forum for people who insist on posting "WHAT'S IT WORTH, BECAUSE I'M GONNA EBAY IT FOR TONS OF MONEY, SUCKERS!" threads.

I still have my three 1951 Sports Light Roadsters, a '73 and '80 Sports, and my 1979 Rudge DL-1. I also have a '73 DL-1, though I was working on trading that for a 1940/41 Sports w/Lauterwasser bars. The stables have a good load of Schwinn Paramounts at the moment though.

-Kurt
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           RE:WANTED:   Raleigh Twenty forks and chainguard posted by Keith Body on 8/23/2009 at 3:37:35 AM
Hi Kurt, If you look under the fork crown you will see the fork column is less than 7/8 inch inside. The one place on a cycle frame that leaves you vulnerable to wiping your face on the road at 20 mph is the brazed joint into the fork column. This is stressed when the brazing cools, and needs this thickness. The French (road racers) could never understand why we (british) did not have a piece of wood (like a broom handle) fitted in the bottom of of the fork column. We had 531 tubing, which takes more than 5 times the pull to straighten than Raleigh tubes, and they were better than many. Most factory massed produced frames are tracked up on a jig after brazing, because of the stresses in cooling. The joints are all brazed at the same time, whereas a hand built are done singly.
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           RE:WANTED:   Raleigh Twenty forks and chainguard posted by Eric on 9/30/2009 at 6:55:17 PM
I recently built a hot rod twenty and have the original fork and I might even have the chainguard. They are both white and don't appear damaged. If you want em drop me an email with some contact info. If you want to see the project bike go to the bikeforums.net and look for posts authored by ogeluv.
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AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh super course mk 2 posted by: Chris on 8/13/2009 at 6:35:51 PM
Saw a Raleigh super course mk 2 today it had a replaced fork a Japanese fork in the english Raleigh nottingham bike the headset was changed as well the Japanese headset fit into the English frame and thus, the fork fit and worked in the bike it was usable it looked like hell but it was functional.

Huret derailer a rare one
the crankset was cotterless, a double front chainring and steel cranks, cotterless and rare, I forget the name on them. frame is a mens but too small for me alloy post and an aftermarket seat narrow and modern but comfortable the bike's paint work is faded.

It had a carlton down tube sticker and it felt lightweight but there was no 531 decal I will have to bone up o n my super course mk 2 knowledge

bike was 15.00 I hope it will be there tomorrow I did not get it. It will be gone by morning for sure. Too small to ride but Now, I am dreaming about that cotterless crankset and what to put it in!

interesting that you can marry Japanese and English like this and still have it work It did not have a English headset but rather the Japanese foreign after market fork steel grey and ugly.

I'm picky having seen and owned far better but this was a deal for the 15.00
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh super course mk 2 posted by Chris on 8/19/2009 at 6:38:50 PM
It was gone, I didn't move on it, but really I let it go I did have my chance with my hands on it.These don't sit on the floor long at all, less than one day and it was gone.
yes, messed up because the crankset was rare and valuable
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