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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Felt like a Tourist... posted by: greg on 8/13/2009 at 3:09:49 PM
Took th DL-1 out for the first time. Had to readjust the brakes as they didn't grip as well on the road as on the stand. After readjusting the brakes the 2 securing bolts/nuts were no longer on top of each other but still rubbed when the brakes were applied. Turned the rear brake lower front rod around & with a little coaxing got it away from the headtube & the other rod.

The rubbing I thought was from the hub was the guide for the right rear brake shoe periodically striking the chaincase. But only once past a certain rpm. Stuck an old piece tube in there for now.

Got the seat fitted as properly as one can for a six & a half footer & put a good 5 miles on it tooling around the neighborhood.

Front wheel not quite true either. So even though rideable (and a blast to ride) she'll be keeping me busy.
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MISC:OFF TOPIC... posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/13/2009 at 6:24:05 AM
Not yet hit the media... but I have it on good authority that the legendary Les Paul passed away last night...

:-(

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - I have one of his pics....
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RE:MISC:OFF TOPIC... posted by JDuck on 8/14/2009 at 7:05:52 AM
Larry, you were way ahead of the media on this one!
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RE:RE:MISC:OFF TOPIC... posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/14/2009 at 8:25:07 AM
A colleague of mine has a very good friend that just so happens to have been one of Les Paul's personal assistants.

Hence... the early heads up...

Additionally, about three weeks ago this fellow gave me a very special guitar pick. Les never was fond of commercially available picks hence he pretty much made all his own.

The one I have is clear plastic with dime sized sandpaper grips glued to the surfaces in order that one maintains a firm grasp of the pick. It is hand labeled on both sides with the letter "H" which I presume means HEAVY as it most certainly is substantial.

I used it last night for the very first time... to play some slow, mournful blues... as that seemed to befit the day and my mood at the time.

In a way... it was both very sad... yet magical for me to be using a pic that was once used by the master.....

So many... owe him so very much....

Later!

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RE:MISC:OFF TOPIC... posted by Matthew on 8/14/2009 at 9:41:57 AM
to play some slow, mournful blues...

Is there any other way? Especially at time like this.

Matthew - aware of the great loss.
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RE:MISC:OFF TOPIC... posted by Thom J. on 8/14/2009 at 12:20:33 PM
Tis ever so sad. I was one of many young guys who started playing guitar in the 60's and owe much to the influence of Les Paul among others. Recently I started playing guitar again for "therapy", according to my pysch dr. Along with tinkering on the old bikes and riding them I now add playing my guitar to the mix. I'll get through it...but it is sad news. Thom.
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RE:MISC:OFF TOPIC... posted by Steve on 8/14/2009 at 3:18:09 PM
Although a Fender (Jaguar) person for most of my "wild years", I couldn't help but look at a Les Paul Gold Top with a little envy.
Steve
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RE:RE:MISC:OFF TOPIC... posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/18/2009 at 9:17:32 AM
Never been much of a Fender guy myself but totally respect them and those that play them. Just not my cup-O-tea I guess. Leo left is in 1991.... and here I thought it was recent...

Damn... I guess I'm gettin' OLD....

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - three chords and the truth!
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AGE / VALUE:1969 Raleigh Sports Men's 3 spd posted by: Paul on 8/12/2009 at 6:34:20 PM
Hi all,
I picked up two English roadsters today and would appreciate opinions on age/value. Both are men's, one a 1969 Raleigh Sports in average to above average condition. Oily grime all over but paint and chrome in nice, rust free shape as a result. Black w/gold markings
Other is a 1972 Phillips men's 3-spd w/ chrome fenders and front chrome luggage rack. No model name evident anywhere, just Phillips, made in Nottingham. Average condition I guess. Chrome above average but paint is a little nicked up. Thanks for any info!
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RE:AGE / VALUE:1969 Raleigh Sports Men's 3 spd posted by Kevin on 8/13/2009 at 1:23:17 PM
You know the ages already. Values are all over the place. Ebay can give you an idea for the market if you are willing to mess with shipping them. Here in Indiana, I am still finding good, complete, garden-variety Raleighs for $25-$50 each. Larger frames are generally worth more, as are men's bikes. If it were me, I would keep the Raleigh Sports and enjoy the ride.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Table Tennis and English Roadsters.... posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/11/2009 at 2:47:52 AM
As do many things... the game of Table Tennis has it's origins in the U.K. I frequent a forum there and of course we were discussing various and assorted things an Bicycles of course enter the conversation.

Hence, one of the members took some pics for me whilst at a place called "Walton Farm"....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/pantech1/IMG_9747-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/pantech1/L1090564.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/pantech1/L1090566.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/pantech1/L1090566.jpg

What on EARTH is that white thing anyhow? Some attempt at a modular PLASTIC bicycle?????

And how many here.... saw the pics of the "HERD" and thought... gee... looks like my basement?

;-)

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - I'd give eye teeth for the SPANNERS in the first pic.....
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Table Tennis and English Roadsters.... posted by Matthew on 8/11/2009 at 11:11:20 AM
Hi larry,

I think you mean the Itera plastic bike?

Yuk, yukkety, yuk yuk yuk.

But the rest are great, no idea where Walton Farm might be.

Matthew - lost at home.
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Table Tennis and English Roadsters.... posted by sam on 8/12/2009 at 6:43:36 AM
Some attempt at a modular PLASTIC bicycle?????

Your right ,Larry.It's an all plastic bicycle---and collectable(not too sure how rideable). You'll find them offered on Ebay-UK and French-Ebay at times.
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RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Table Tennis and English Roadsters.... posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/13/2009 at 6:31:27 AM
Yeah.... PLASTIC... and a COMMERCIAL FAILURE... but leave it to certain folks... it's purportedly being revived.... ans going to be made from recycled plastic bottles.

Yeah... let me know how that works out for you!

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Are they still called "glasses" if the lenses are plastic????
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Table Tennis and English Roadsters.... posted by Matthew on 8/13/2009 at 10:56:25 AM
going to be made from recycled plastic bottles

It will go Pop!

Matthew - just being silly
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:1967? Ruby Red Triumph posted by: Brett on 8/10/2009 at 6:05:28 PM
Any Triumph people out there? I just acquired a beautiful ruby red Triumph. My brother was doing work for a friend and spotted it under a tarp. Knowing how much I love all things Triumph, he bought it for 25.00. My brother's friend is the original owner and said he bought it in the 60's. It has a Sturmey Archer AW 3 speed hub and 40 spoke rear wheel, The hub has a single 7 followed by a space, then another single 7. The front wheel appears to be a Raleigh item (it has the Raleigh heron on the front hub)with 32 spokes. The bike appears to be all original, even the brake pads say made in England, and the chrome is perfect except for the rims. It still has the Raleigh Record tyres. I was wondering if anyone could help me date this bike, and tell me what model it is. Any help would be appreciated.


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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:1967? Ruby Red Triumph posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/11/2009 at 2:59:30 AM
I would say you've got it right at 1967. A nice machine for certain... Raleigh built of course by then. These machines have a charm all their own and... being human powered, you don't have to deal with Lucas electrics!

That being said... whilst on errands over the past weekend, I happened to pass what appeared to be a rolling rally of Triumph automobiles.... a number of TR-7's, a TR-6 and a Stag.... This was at the K-mart Plaza in Westfall, PA propinquitous with route 84

I was planning to stop and chat after I retrieved what I was after in the K-mart... alas the chaps had left by the time I came out.

There was also a very nice Spitfire being offered for sale on Rt. 206 in Newton NJ and it was all I could to to not stop and peruse....

I have neither the time nor financial resources to deal with another British auto at this juncture... a shame too as I'm not that far from Moss Motors Ltd., in Denville, NJ.

Last time I drove the TR-6 was... September 9, 1977. It was a fun machine... albeit... always demanding attention.

I daresay your velocipede will be far and away more trouble-free!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Anyone remember Arthur Joseph Stevens?????
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:1967? Ruby Red Triumph posted by Matthew on 8/11/2009 at 11:15:55 AM
Hi Larry & Brett,

Don't mix your machines up; the Triumphs are from different companies. Cars and bicycles co-exist but not from the same factory.

As Larry says Brett, your is a Raleigh built badge engineered Triumph. My Dad had a 1962 model for about 25 years until I took it over for a few years.

Matthew - God rode a Triumph.


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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:1967? Ruby Red Triumph posted by Brett on 8/11/2009 at 1:38:29 PM
Hi Larry and Matthew. The story of Triumph Cycles is a long one, but rarely ever told. It's amazing to me that there is no site devoted to them, only honorable mention on other sites. Seigfreid Bettmann started what would become the Triumph Cycle Co in 1885. At first he had an outside company Wm Andrews of Birmingham supplying him with machines, but by 1890 he had moved the company from London to Coventry and started making his own. Triumph expanded into motorcycles in 1902 and cars in 1923. At this point all three were part of the same company. Triumph was always in financial trouble, and they sold the bicycle division to Coventry Bicycles LTD (the makers of Three Spires)in 1935. This company changed it's name to Associated Cycle Manufacturer's of Coventry in 1940. Triumph bicycles continued to be made in Coventry until 1954 when Triumph (along with Three Spires) was purchased by Raleigh. I don't know if Raleigh still owns the brand or if they are still being made. By the way, the motorcycle division was also sold in 1936, and from that time the bicycles, motorcycles and cars were 3 different separate companies with no relation to each other.
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:1967? Ruby Red Triumph posted by Keith Body on 8/12/2009 at 12:23:14 PM
Hi Brett, Larry, Matthew. In the 1950's UK home market Raleigh sold Triumph bikes as their fourth make. At a cheaper price, less equipment but same underlying quality, often aimed at a younger market, with special finishes.
If you want to see what just about finished the old Triumph company in 1933, look up "Triumph Dolomite" and "Donald Healey"
I once described a TR4 I had for sale "Wall to wall rust".

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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:1967? Ruby Red Triumph posted by Brett on 8/12/2009 at 5:15:12 PM
Welcome Keith, I have a love of Triumph cars as well, in fact I have a 1976 Spitfire that I drive year round. It was my love of the cars that got me interested in the company's history, and led me to the cycles. I have a quite a few adverts from the original Triumph company covering bicycles, motorcycles, and cars. The oldest ones in my collection are 2 bicycle ads from 1900. Someday I would like to post them all on a website. I am always looking for more to add to my collection. I would love it if someone that has a pre 1935 bicycle would email me some clear pictures of the original headbadge and any other markings. As for the cars, In the 1930's Triumph built some of the greatest cars in their history, but they could never build enough of them, and without the income from the bicycles and motorcycles to fall back on they sank into bankruptcy in 1939. As you can see, I really do love all things Triumph, I'm sorry if I get a little long winded. I welcome anyone to email me or call me directly if you want to talk Triumph.
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AGE / VALUE:David's Sunbeam -got to thinking about it posted by: Chris on 8/10/2009 at 4:29:01 PM
I hope David Poston had a good outcome in selling his Sunbeam bike. I hope the bike got David a good price and also, I hope it is with somebody who will appreciate the bike and treat it well.
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AGE / VALUE:Hercules posted by: Jay Crow on 8/10/2009 at 9:48:00 AM
Hi there,

I was wondering if you could help out with some information on a Hercules. The hubs reveal no date, but say "Made in England" and what's left of a small sticker on the seat tube reads "McWhinnies" which I believe is a bicycle shop in Montreal, Canada. It's a single-speed with rod-actuated brakes at the front and rear.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/quickfix/tags/hercules/

Anything you could tell me about it would be amazing.

Thanks for your help.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Hercules posted by Chris on 8/10/2009 at 1:52:54 PM
I love the crankset! and the seat is amazing it can be recovered and restored, so hang onto that seat. Nice bike!
The Sunshine bike, I remember seeing them in Canada.
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RE:AGE / VALUE: Hercules posted by mark on 8/10/2009 at 3:20:41 PM
I think a Triumph got mixed up with the Hercules in this thread---anyhow thanks to all who replied--and Chris, so if you have only half of the original 48 fender would you keep that rather than trying to repaint another fender if i understood correctly? Mark
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RE:AGE / VALUE: Hercules posted by mark on 8/10/2009 at 3:23:49 PM
And I just posted to the wrong Hercules thread myself--sorry gentlemen
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RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Hercules posted by Chris on 8/10/2009 at 4:12:37 PM
Yes, Keep that rather than trying a re- paint
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Hercules posted by Jay Crow on 8/12/2009 at 10:17:04 AM
The serial number from the seat post is WC188 if that helps date it at all.

Thanks.
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AGE / VALUE:Off topic,but a neat story.... posted by: sam on 8/9/2009 at 5:30:30 PM
http://www.ciclofilm.com/english/route.html

The ride ends in Toronto,isn't one of our Canadain posters from Toronto?
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Off topic,but a neat story.... posted by Chris on 8/10/2009 at 1:55:49 PM
It gives me an idea!! (grinning) hey, neat and thanks for sharing this!
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Hercules rear fender posted by: mark on 8/8/2009 at 1:37:57 PM
Hi--would a 1948 Hercules (per hub date) have a white ducktail rear fender--the Herc in question has only the front half of the rear fender present (black with redpinstripes)--I do have a spare later model rubyred Raleigh rear fender(would you use/repaint this or keep old hald fender?). this bike also has the older-type headbadge, not the one with green you see on 50s bikes--i assume this means it falls into pre-Raleigh? some things i have seen say raleigh bought Herc in 1948?
thanks MArk
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Hercules rear fender posted by Warren on 8/8/2009 at 6:52:42 PM
Apologies if this posts twice...

Is it a big wheel roadster, a sports model, a club racer, etc?

And the Hercules headbadge provenance is confusing. I've got a circa 52/53 club racer with the "other" orangy-red H/C badge, not the green one. I'm thinking the green model was for export perhaps?
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Hercules rear fender posted by Brett Evans on 8/9/2009 at 4:48:10 PM
Hi guys, I'm new to this forum, so please bear with me. I have just acquired a beautiful ruby red Triumph bicycle serial # 2967085 with a Sturmey Archer AW 3 speed hub. Can anyone help me date this machine? The hub has a single 7, then a large space follwed by another single 7. Also I'd like to know what model it is (roadster, sports, etc). Any help would be appriciated


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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Hercules rear fender posted by mark on 8/9/2009 at 9:47:18 PM
It is a sports---in fact the seat tube says just "sports model" and nothing else....i was told ths was bought in England.
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RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Hercules rear fender posted by Chris on 8/10/2009 at 2:10:22 PM
Nice bike, yes it's a cable brake "Sports model". Complete and in "as new" condition. I love the original white ribbed cable casing. The hub is mis stamped and I'd say this bike is from 1967? probably. I had one of these in green, bought it "in the box" These are nice, I mean after you re-grease all the bearings and ride it, clearly this bike has not had much use and so it just needs a re- grease and it's like brand new, all over again.
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RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Hercules rear fender posted by Chris on 8/10/2009 at 2:12:04 PM
As to Marks question at the top of this thread , I would not try to re- paint it. Matching the paint exactly will be almost impossible.
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AGE / VALUE: posted by: LP on 8/8/2009 at 10:05:25 AM

Hey all
regarding my Rudge bicycle
With the numbers 82740 R near the seat and 557242 Z underneath the frame.
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/louiloui/Bicycle#
I've also spoted the number 48 on the back side of
the Cottered Crank do you guys think that this is the date of the bike since there is no date on the AW hub.
Also any idea why the HUB doens't have a date on it?

Thanks
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Rudge bicycle posted by Chris on 8/10/2009 at 2:18:33 PM
It's a 48 tooth crank they stamped the number of teeth on the cranks As to the hub issue they didn't put dated on hubs during the war years not until like 1946 on I have seen hubs that have 1948 dates on them. The hub is an a.w. model hub and it's innards are interchangable with a.w. hubs up to the 1980's cranks do not have year of manufacturer on them except for williams made cranks and then, it's a code. the pics did not go thru
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WANTED:Hercules Synchro Shifter wanted... posted by: damon on 8/7/2009 at 12:56:45 PM
Anyone have any leads on a working Hercules Synchro Shifter? This is the round looking 3 speed shifter Herc used prior to going to the SA made "Hercumatic" shiter/hub combo...
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RE:WANTED:Hercules Synchro Shifter wanted... posted by Warren on 8/9/2009 at 6:29:05 AM
Keep a search going on ebay....I saw 3 come up last year and I won one NOS. Do you have a Herc Hub or Herailler? The Hercumatic should shift fine with a Herc 3 speed hub.
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RE:WANTED:Hercules Synchro Shifter wanted... posted by Kevin on 8/9/2009 at 6:39:19 PM
"Hercumatic" ... I love that name.
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RE:RE:WANTED:Hercules Synchro Shifter wanted... posted by Chris on 8/10/2009 at 4:18:17 PM
Yes, keep up your looking on e- bay, these do turn up. The Herurailler is the Hercules made derailer unit and it shifted a three speed derailer cluster. I am not sure if it would handle a fourth. The Dancing Chain, history and developement of the derailer gear is a book I recommend
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RE:RE:RE:WANTED:Hercules Synchro Shifter wanted... posted by Chris on 8/10/2009 at 4:28:47 PM
The Sturmey- Archer made Hercumatic shifter , the ones I have owned (and quite a few) all had weak springs and we had a fellow here I remember who made up a replacement spring and he wrote about it here. Think that was Edward in Vancouver, I am suspicious about the weak springs.

Hercules was not bought up by Raleigh. In 1946 Hercules was sold (by Sir Edmund Crane) to not Raleigh but Tube Investments. Hercules was a bitter and tough Rival to Raleigh up to the sale of the company. They threatened to put up for sale a rival 3 speed hub of their own (something we have never seen) and they drove Raleigh crazy when Raleigh tried to meet to set prices and it "was useless until we know what Hercules will be doing" they played their cards close to their chest. A while later on, Tube Investments merged with the B.C.C. and then, the Hercules name was put on bikes being made in Raleigh's new, modern factory in Nottingham, England and so then , the rival came to be made by Raleigh alongside the Raleigh bikes. In the end Raleigh did get ahold of Hercules in a sort of fashion but it took a sale and then not until, a merger for that to happen.
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RE:RE:RE:RE:WANTED:Hercules Synchro Shifter wanted... posted by Chris on 8/10/2009 at 4:34:24 PM
I did a lot of looking at Hercules, their patents and history and I remember speaking to somebody on the phone and the fellow discussed about how he made a machine to do something relating to the production or polishing of wheel rims. The fellow was old at the time and it's been a few years now and I can't remember the person's name.
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RE:WANTED:Hercules Synchro Shifter wanted... posted by damon on 8/10/2009 at 6:29:33 PM
It is a Hercules stamed hub... "A type 9" which I think is pre-"Hercumatic". It has white fenders with gold pinstriping, the green headbadge, "Sports Model" on the downtube... cannot fathom the date but think late 40's to early 50's... here's a link to photos :http://www.flickr.com/photos/damonabnormal/sets/72157621578555969/
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RE:RE:WANTED:Hercules Synchro Shifter wanted... posted by Chris on 8/10/2009 at 6:40:17 PM
post hercumatic this is later, from after Raleigh made the hercules bikes in nottingham the hub innards are totally interchangable with those made by Sturmey- Archer except for that marvelous alloy Hercules badge, that throws me off because it looks like it from pre Raleigh hercules the rest of the bike is from Nottingham. thanks for the pictures! glad to see you have it
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RE:RE:RE:WANTED:Hercules Synchro Shifter wanted... posted by Chris on 8/10/2009 at 6:42:12 PM
b type 4, a type nine,......... it was really all just all sturmey- Archer made and is the same a.w. hub of S.A.

but the hub shells and the oiler ports get more magical the further back in time you go
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RE:WANTED:Hercules Synchro Shifter wanted... posted by damon on 8/14/2009 at 4:00:47 PM
Chris,

The frame has "Hercules Motor & Cycle Works : Birmingham England" on the seat tube just above where it says "Sports Model"... so that and the alloy headbadge and a few other details make me think this is a late 40's/early 50's model Hercules. Deffo not a Raleigh made Herc as i have 2 of those and the frame lugs and other details are different.

As huge as Hercules was one would think there would be better documentation out there...
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RE:RE:WANTED:Hercules Synchro Shifter wanted... posted by chris on 8/19/2009 at 6:43:27 PM
Yep, before the Raleigh take over I have had a lot of Hercules bikes and ones with different badges my favorites are the pre raleigh hercules bikes!

it is very strange indeed about all the missing info about hercules documentation is just plain gone! stay with us keep in touch
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AGE / VALUE:PAIR OF ELSWICKS ON E- BAY posted by: CHRIS on 8/6/2009 at 6:34:00 PM
PAIR OF ELSWICKS ON E- BAY VERY NICE RALEIGH MADE BIKES IN COFFEE TAKE A LOOK
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Hercules 3 Speed Pressed Bottom Bracket posted by: Wolfgang on 8/5/2009 at 2:06:18 PM
Greetings, I have a Hercules 3 speed from the 70's with a Torpedo hub. The bottom bracket is worn out and I am looking for a replacement. But it's not threaded! There are two black plastic nylon bearing cups that are pressed into the frame and hold the sealed bearings. Have you ever seen one like this? Thanks.

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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Hercules 3 Speed Pressed Bottom Bracket posted by sam on 8/5/2009 at 3:59:05 PM
The torpedo hub makes me beleave it could be a germen Hercules--no kin to the English hercules.
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RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Hercules 3 Speed Pressed Bottom Bracket posted by Chris on 8/5/2009 at 6:13:33 PM
ditto

I don't remember seeing these parts in the drawers in the shops and aside from the torpedo hubs I know nothing about this bike sorry
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Hercules 3 Speed Pressed Bottom Bracket posted by Wolfgang on 8/5/2009 at 11:52:26 PM
Thanks for the info guys. Yup, you are right, she is a german bike. It seemed like it would make sense to post in this section, but maybe I should try another.
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Hercules 3 Speed Pressed Bottom Bracket posted by Stewart on 8/6/2009 at 5:46:13 AM
Dear Wolfgang,
Look into the different types of bottom brackets used on BMX bikes. Yours looks similar to what is called a "Spanish" bottom bracket. BMX parts can be great on city bikes,especially the pedals,which are rugged and wide.
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Hercules 3 Speed Pressed Bottom Bracket posted by David on 8/6/2009 at 9:01:25 AM
Try a YST threadless BB. It fits into the shell and tightens up to hold itself in. They're available from (in USA) biketoolsetc.com
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AGE / VALUE:Rudge posted by: curtis on 8/5/2009 at 10:46:50 AM
Hi.. I've found a rudge with the top bar slightly curved. Nice look!
Burgundy, fenders, the hand crankset.

Can't find the picture right now..It looks to me to be a later year, but i don't know.

Can anyone suggest Age/Value?

Thanks
'Curtis
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Rudge posted by Chris on 8/5/2009 at 6:16:18 PM
what size wheels,? cable or rod brakes,? mens or ladies frame? what does the rear sturmey archer hub say on it? there should be a date code like 8/72 which would be August of 1972 can you upload pictures of the bike?
Rudge made bikes for 80 years ended up being part of Raleigh and there were a lot of different bikes that wore the name Rudge on them.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Rudge posted by curtis on 8/6/2009 at 10:13:20 AM
Thanks Chris..I understand there's a broad range of Rudge bicycles. This one is unusual to me because of the curved top bar.

This one has cable brakes and 26" wheels. I don't have the bike yet so i can't look at the hub..

I find it fascinating how little info there is on most of these old bikes.

Let's see if this pic works.

Thanks,
'curtis


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RE:AGE / VALUE:Rudge posted by curtis on 8/6/2009 at 10:25:14 AM
pic no worky. I'll attempt another description and see if we can get anywhere.

Has anyone seen the men's Rudge bikes with curved top bar? I've seen 2 that are burgundy with nice white scallops at the headset and some gold rings on the seat tube?

Thanks,
'curtis

Thanks,
'curtis
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Rudge posted by curtis on 8/6/2009 at 10:30:27 AM
Let's try the pic again..


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RE:AGE / VALUE:Rudge posted by curtis on 8/6/2009 at 10:38:10 AM
I apologize for the mess.

just go here to see the bike:

http://s45.photobucket.com/albums/f72/curtibun/?action=view¤t=ImageDeposit_dot_com_FREE_Hosting_B.jpg

Thanks,
'curtis
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Rudge posted by Matthew on 8/6/2009 at 2:57:53 PM
Hi Curtis,

Looks like a late 70s early 80s model built on the Raleigh Colt design and strictly for export only, not a UK model.

Matthew - not always right
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RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:���Rudge posted by Warren on 8/6/2009 at 5:23:34 PM
Ditto to Matthew except I've seen them from early 70's. Here's one I owned 15 years ago, a Raleigh made Glider. These were great for small adults with short inseams. It also had the uncommon, solid Raleigh chopper pedals in white.

http://oldroads.com/oldroads_files/329_21.jpg

The Rudge still has the premium mudguard stays. Nice to see Raleigh still tipped their hat to the venerable marque even though the line was likely not far from extinction.
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RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Rudge posted by Chris on 8/6/2009 at 6:32:10 PM
I was reading about the Raleigh buy out of Rudge from E.M.I. last night at bedtime. Raleigh bought Rudge in 1946 for 500,000 pounds sterling from Electrical Musical Instruments and E.M.I. were glad to be rid of it.
Others like Norman, Conercroft industries? (gotta snoop into them!) and two others were interested in Rudge except for B.S.A. But Raleigh bought them up.
It took Raleigh about six months to eat and digest it all, Raleigh paid 90% of it at first and then the remainder a short while later, but it was dismantling the plant at Hays, Middlesex and transfering production to Nottingham, closing the plant e.t.c. that took the time. How many folks lost their job then? Well, they were just getting finsished from the war, but then they did close the whole plant!

The original Rudge company ran into financial trouble and it was placed into recievership and E.M.I. bought them hoping for the added business of a seasonal thing like bicycles. E.M.I. didn't hold Rudge for long.

The Raleigh bicycle book, I am reading right now, was artfully and carefully written to omit pertinent facts. It's a horrible, dry business history with only three pictures and it just drives me nuts trying to read and unravel it all and no mention is made of what happened to the Rudge collection of Vintage bikes and parts and signs and such. What happened to the factory tooling that Raleigh didn't need? and it appears that much that was sitting in Middlesex was not needed to be taken to Nottingham.
Scraped? Anyways Rudge was added to Raleigh and the 1950's and beyond until the 1960, 1961 no later than 1962 was "Raleigh, Rudge and Humber" in Raleigh made glory. They were nice.

Another book I am enjoying much more is

Crewe Locomotive works and it's men. by Brian Reed
It has many pictures and it was written by a fellow who was there and he cared enough to really do a good job on the book.
I will look at the picture you provided and add my thoughts on your bike tomorrow
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Rudge posted by Steve on 8/7/2009 at 10:18:26 AM
Chris, nice bit of research.

I've drove past the EMI site at Hayes, Middlesex yesterday and I can honestly say that I had no knowledge of Rudge bicycles being produced there, I'd sort of just presumed it was Coventry or Birmingham (with Whitworth).
I always looked on it as the place where the Beatles did some recording.

Crewe locomotive works is/was the Mecca for railway buffs (along with Swindon, Doncaster and one or two others).
Having a keen interest in railways from a very early age (and also living close to the works for four years), I have sampled many a visit there.
Saturday or Sunday afternoons were best, I would ride there, hide my Raleigh racer somewhere, then tag on the back of an organised visit at the works entrance when know-one was looking !
Massive site, once proud but dismantled locos, new build locos, smashed up locos, massive scary engineering machines, hot oil aroma etc...the list goes on and on.
I even worked there for a while after I left school !

Lovely to hear it mentioned here.

Meanwhile, my dad still raves about his Rudge fixed speed, that's after he's stopped going on about his BSA Golden Flash, then the sound of a two x 18 cyclinder Napier engines in a Deltic locomotive (that wasn't produced at Crewe) !

Steve - I better stop now, before I get all sentimental.


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RE:AGE / VALUE:Rudge posted by curtibun on 8/7/2009 at 4:02:51 PM
Thanks everyone!

Nice Glider, Warren.

So, I've been riding a Rudge for the last 6 months or so. Someone unfortunately replaced the rear wheel and hub so it's (as far as I can gather) undatable.. I love it, even tho it's a wee bit small for me..I'm 5'9" and the standover height is just over 30". I would love to find a Rudge more suited to me but they seem to be few and far between here in Brooklyn.

She's dirty, but here's a pic of it:
http://s45.photobucket.com/albums/f72/curtibun/?action=view¤t=photo.jpg


The Rudge Colt I'm looking at is the same size and I wonder if it's worth $150 to me, since it'll be a bit wee also.

Any suggestions?
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RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Rudge posted by Chris on 8/10/2009 at 1:58:30 PM
correction, the Rudge sale price was only 160,000 pounds sterling and not 500,000 and I had said.

Can you post pictures of the Hayes, Middlesex area and is the old Rudge building still standing?
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Rudge posted by Steve on 8/11/2009 at 6:08:49 AM
I'll have a look when I get back from holiday.
Steve
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Rudge posted by Matthew on 8/11/2009 at 11:19:24 AM
Chris,

look up the Francis Frith Collection on a search engine and then look for Hayes.

Matthew - snap shot
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RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Rudge posted by Chris on 8/13/2009 at 6:31:58 PM
wow! thanks! I will!
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Follow-up to CCM Redbird (pt. 2) posted by: Mark R. on 8/4/2009 at 7:56:53 PM
OK, so things took a turn for the worse with my Redbird...

After much soaking of the stuck stem with penetrant, and two tries to break it loose, the third try resulted in warping the fork blades a bit. :(

I feel like such an idiot. I thought I'd made a pretty good wooden jig to the keep things straight while applying torque, but obviously not. I had two friends helping me, and when we took the jig off we could see that the fork had twisted a bit, and we all felt a little sick. This bike is 72 years old and I have to make it right again!

Thank goodness for the "bike pulls to the right" thread, as maybe I can save the thing. As for the stuck stem, I guess I should just saw it off, pull the stub out (hopefully) from the steerer tube, and get a correct replacement.

Wish me luck...

Mark
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Follow-up to CCM Redbird (pt. 2) posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/5/2009 at 2:40:57 AM
Yikes..... Scary but... you'll get her right... meanwhile.. I'm trying to think if there's any way you could apply some HEAT to the stem... sometimes just a little heat can help crack loose stubbornly frozen parts like this.

Normally when I'm working on automotive stuff... usually suspension parts... or such things as brake drums frozen to hubs, I use a propane torch. Not always practical when working on a bicycle frame so maybe.... if you have access to a blow dryer or heat gun, use that. Get the whole thing goodly hot to the touch... determine a good spot to give it a rap with a mallet or hammer... cover with a cloth if necessary and start with taps... working your way up to a goodly "rap" if necessary.

Sometimes that's all it takes. Well... that and indefatigable perserverance. ;-)

Best of luck!

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - it's been in there HOW long?
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Follow-up to CCM Redbird (pt. 2) posted by Mark R. on 8/5/2009 at 8:29:36 PM
Yeah, I'd thought of heat, but if I messed up any of the paint then I'd REALLY be upset.

I think to cut away the stem so I can drop the fork is not the end of the world. Others here have said they can supply the correct stem so that may be the route to go. Presuming I can get the bottom end of the stem out of the steerer tube.

And that's when heat would be OK, because any discolouration of the steerer would be hidden inside the head tube. The stem may have been frozen in since WW2 for all I know, so it's going to take some effort, and I now need the fork out of the frame anyway so I can straighten it...
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RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:���Follow-up to CCM Redbird (pt. 2) posted by Warren on 8/6/2009 at 7:18:42 PM
I'm sure I've got a stem for you Mark...take a pic, measure it and send it to me before you cut away.


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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Follow-up to CCM Redbird (pt. 2) posted by Mark R. on 8/8/2009 at 10:17:31 PM
Ok Warren, will do, thanks!
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RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Follow-up to CCM Redbird (pt. 2) posted by Chris on 8/10/2009 at 4:51:25 PM
We all have messed stuff up and been sick about it. I think I mess up more stuff than most. Don't feel too bad well, We all do it. I remember my friend and his Bluemels mudguard on one of his bikes he cracked the bike's rear mudguard while doing something and we discussed it on the phone and his reaction was one of horror. It was useless to try to say look, it's just a damned piece of celluloyd because we revere this stuff so much and "oh well ,it's old" didn't help much either.

But, you have not taken the thing out and ran it over with the car on purpose like one lady I met who was mad at her ex- husband. You did not refuse to sell it at a great price but rather take it home and attack it and dismember the thing in a gruesome death because it was your fathers bike and he had issues with his late father because of some type of abuse and he took it out on the bike! He brought it to the shop where I saw it and tried to pry it loose and he got quiet and strange and seeing the bike brought back memories he shared with me, boy that was strange!

I am sure folks who restore vintage bikes have pulled some stunts and ruined some nice stuff but that is bad for business and they don't advertise their really bad mess ups. They just quietly ask if you have this part to a so and so bike from whatever year and how soon can you sent it to me?

Everybody learns. This stuff is tricky and we are losing the original talents from "this far away times" that this stuff belongs to.
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