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AGE / VALUE:   Hercules (help me) posted by: Ben Shannon on 7/22/2009 at 8:01:21 AM
I bought my girl friend a bike for her birthday. It has a tiny amoutn of a decal left saying hercules cycles nottingham. I have no information about this bikes history. I would love to know if anyone can help me and tell me the model, rough age and anywhere i could get any decals for it? ANY help is greatly apprieciated. Thanks


           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules (help me) posted by David on 7/22/2009 at 9:32:42 AM
Raleigh-built Sports model. Very common, but a reliable good rider. The 2-digit date code on the rear hub should tell you when the hub was made; bike assembled a few months later, most likely. You seem to have paid a fair price. Happy riding.

           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules (help me) posted by Chris on 8/5/2009 at 6:31:29 PM
Get a similar vintage bike a mens versions for yourself and go bike riding together. Enjoy the long winding roads in the moonlight together on the way back from getting ice cream in the evening. With the sound of the tick- tick- tick of the Sturmey- Archer 3 speed- Just the two of you astride a pair of neat old bikes. Wishing you both,all the best. I would not bother with decals just fit new tires and new brake cables and give it a general check over and wear a reflective vest for safety and just go enjoy it!

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AGE / VALUE:   take a look at e- bay item #220454881021 posted by: Chris on 7/21/2009 at 4:41:05 PM
E- bay item # 220454881021

this is a 2009 Raleigh motorized bicycle!
back in the mid 1980'S
Raleigh in Springs South Africa did this only with their traditional 28 inch wheel Rod brake D.L.1. 's from South Africa

motorized Raleigh's are nothing new! I hate the cranks on this bike what is with the Schwinn style circles next to the Heron heads?

I don't care for the frame style but it is solid and will perform well and it's a very good product but, I'm too old school in my tastes.

Honda slapped this gas tank onto Japanese copies of a rod brake 28 inch wheel Raleigh bike and with a alternative fuel made from pine tree root extract he launched the beginnings of Honda motor co.
He copied the Schwinn Whizzer motorbike from Pontiac, Michigan and with a few twists of his own (the fuel)
Honda sold motorized bikes then scooters that were reliable like a watch and they did really well with scooters taking over the British Market then motorcycles cars, light trucks, light aircraft, outboard motors and other things. I copied the article and left it in the waiting room areas at the local Honda dealerships where they wondered stunned "where did you find that article?"

They would not leave it up for folks to see they kept taking it down.

We know Honda's mopeds and motorbikes and cars and yes we know Honda very well and nobody remembers the Kerry Capitano moped or the Raleigh mopeds or Phillips Gadabout or any of the other mopeds with exception being the beloved Vespa's and a few others. But most all of the British , French and Italiam mopeds so many of them vanished when they took apart the Honda to inspect their new competition and they all muttered it's so well built, we are screwed and they were . Honda took over!

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   take a look at e- bay item #220454881021 posted by Matthew on 7/22/2009 at 11:37:23 AM


Gone Chris, yes; forgotten? No!

Matthew - Ooo! funky moped.


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MISC:   Old bike talk on Twitter posted by: Vin – Menotomy Vintage Bicycles at OldRoads.com on 7/21/2009 at 5:06:40 AM
Anyone using Twitter? OldRoads has been for a few weeks and I think we can handle doing daily updates.
You can go to http://twitter.com/oldroads, or you can see the updates at the top of our “Whats New” page (under the “About” link at the top of this page).
Today’s message:

“I’ve been buying and selling collectible bicycles for many years and have never seen prices this weak. I’ve also never seen prices for old commuter bikes so high.”



           RE:MISC:   Old bike talk on Twitter posted by Chris on 7/21/2009 at 4:17:43 PM
Thumbs up, Vin. Good move!

I saw something there I thought I'd quote.
"The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. the next best time is right now." I think this is quite true with the Brown Brothers catalog addition to the future of Oldroads.com

It should already have been added, but the next best time is now . I remain hopeful that you will add it here. Sincerely- Chris

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AGE / VALUE:   It's Blue! Raleigh Tourist classic cruising bike posted by: Chris on 7/20/2009 at 4:19:28 PM
Interesting Raleigh tourist on e- bay.


interesting paint work as it is original and blue not black oh it's a 1970's Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. thru and thru but this shade of blue? and on a Raleigh Tourist and not a Humber badged bike but it's on a Raleigh Tourist?
The bike is in Canada and my guess it it went straight to Canada from Nottingham, England.
for the Canadian market
Enclosed chaincase missing the pie plate and all white, not creame colored tires but white tires.

the Raleigh tourist D.L.1.'s came in basic black and chrome plated ones are about too there is this particular shade of blue that is rather rare South African Raleigh tourists D.L.1's from Springs, came in candy apple (flemenco) red and black and the ladies bikes in blue they had smaller metal headbadges that said Raleigh
Springs, South Africa

So, the Humber blue was not the only shade of blue in Raleigh's paint booths and this blue appears metallic as well so seeing this threw me for a loop. This one is unique but then again, perhaps somebody has "restored" this and applied Raleigh decals to the bike. Yes, I am questioning the valid ness of this paint. Is it original?

The last 7 to be produced in Nottingham, Those were all green, thick powdercoat forest green paint and it chipped easily.

Interesting to see all the odd things that pop up on e- bay.

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   It's Blue! Raleigh Tourist classic cruising bike posted by Warren on 7/20/2009 at 6:42:37 PM
Can you provide a link or item number Chris?


           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   It's Blue! Raleigh Tourist classic cruising bike posted by Warren on 7/20/2009 at 7:40:32 PM
oops....item 320399830953

As you say...repaint. Looks like rattlecan rustoleum and the like. Not likely sold in Canada either. We always got the hockey stick chainguards.

           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   It's Blue! Raleigh Tourist classic cruising bike posted by Chris on 7/21/2009 at 4:01:15 PM
I saw a lot of enclosed chaincases and had no problem at the time in finding enclosed chaincase parts (1980's)

Yes, the paint tells the story this is a restoration job not done well enough to be factory.

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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1954 Hiawatha posted by: graham on 7/20/2009 at 7:07:10 AM
i recently found an old 26 inch bike. the frame says product of england. as do almost all the components. the hub is stamped 1954. the badge says hiawatha but with a london address. the frame looks exactly like a james as do all the components. did james make bikes for hiawatha in the 50,s it is red with gold pinstripping. it seems to have been painted over the black. thank for any help

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1954 Hiawatha posted by graham on 7/20/2009 at 8:16:34 AM
i think the serial number is 35 wg (17) 24-1051. it has a lycott saddle,

           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1954 Hiawatha posted by graham on 7/20/2009 at 9:10:23 AM
it has dunlop steel rims, the trigger says 3/4 spd on it. even the brake pads are stamped made in england

           RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1954 Hiawatha posted by Chris on 7/20/2009 at 1:37:26 PM
"The famous James" bikes were nice and it's special and worth holding on to. The Sturmey- Archer trigger you have is rare and worth about $40.00 or so. The Lycette saddle is also period correct. We'd love to see a picture of this bike. I suspect James did make bikes for Hiawatha in the 1950's but I don't know for certain.

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1954 Hiawatha posted by graham on 7/22/2009 at 12:15:25 PM
here are pics I hope,


           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1954 Hiawatha posted by Christopher on 7/22/2009 at 5:56:03 PM
Poor pictures they are too dark and I am squinting at the headset to try to make an identification but by what I see and looking at the rear wheel dropouts and where the backstay is brazed onto the bike my guess is it was made in Birmingham, England by the Phillips company. Phillips was Huge! Collousal! Gigantic! and they also made bikes for others by badge engineering which is when one maker sticks anothers name on the bike. Yes by looking at the headset and the tail end of the bike I can rule out it being a Raleigh made bike. This means that is uses 24 t.p.i. headset and bottom bracket parts.
If it's British and NOT A RALEIGH is used 24 t.p.i. parts most usually.
That is a good thing. Easier to find and replace the wearable parts. This bike will ride like a new bike after you track down the parts.

It's magical the way it sits. and as I looked it over I thought: "Wow how I love these bikes!" and I'd love to jump on and go for a spin!

If anybody asks me: "Chris, what do you want?"

My answer is: go and find them, rescue them, don't let them go to landfil or the skip, don't give them away to some charity that sends them overseas to some third world country but keep them, where you are, fix these up and ride them these are magical!
Show me what you are finding and keep looking and finding.

This very type of bike, is why I wait for hours at the church rummage sale, all the manuvering to be in the door first or infiltrate the rummage sale by helping out so I get first crack at these. The running down the hall and up those steps to see the bike a bike just like this one to see it and lay hands on it and pay for it and get it out of there and into the car or onto the car rack and get it home!
The bikes! "What do you mean it's by the dumpster why do you think somebody donated it in the first place so somebody like me will stop in and pay you for it!"
"this is a rummage sale! You are taking all the fun out of it."

"Well....... it's old! and looks like heck and......"

I don't know what was going thru her mind I guess she was afraid I'd get hurt and sue the church over defective rummage sale goods which is nonesense it never happens and to make her happy we wrote all "sales final" "as is" on my reciept.
the work involved establishing and maintaining relationships with shops and antique dealers and folks so I am called. So they think of me when it rolls in their place so they call me and let me get at it and I get first crack at it.

Yes, I had the nerve to pry up the glass on his desk and slip my card with my number on it underneath the glass top on his desk and I paid visits and went to fetch lunch, took the vehicles to have the oil changed and I just hung about and went on down the list to other places, I was always there. I saw the customers go in the shop and saw what they brought in and met the suppliers and dealer jobbers and employees who would call me on their own. they knew me and knew that "He loves those old 3 speeds!"

The things I have seen! Yow!

There are things yet to be seen, I want to encourage folks here to go and search and find these for themselves. I missed stuff. Some of the sharpest folks in this still miss stuff. I showed up and showed up all the time and was tenacious.

"Hey Chris, I have a Raleigh for you" "He has a Raleigh for you- call him." I did I went to see it I looked it over closely and we hammered out a deal. Back when I was getting started in these they were in the skips and the dumpsters they were 3 speeds and the ten speeds and then mountain bikes were the "in thing" I got them free and cheap now it's different! Still the fun is in the searching and the finding and it's hardwer but still possible and you don't find the diamond ring in the sand if you stay home and don't go to the beach.

"this customer wants you to call her we thought she was crazy and well, she's right up your alley!"

Later on I had folks screaming that I had got in there and got it all and "who was I?" they demanded to know!

I got an old balloon tire bike and my shop friend didn't know and so we called another collector and I went to see him I was too impatient to sell it should have kept it but it was not English but rather a balloon tire bike and I wanted my money out if it and then some and my mistake was I didn't just keep it.

I took it over and asked "well what is this and who made it?"
His eyes nearly fell out and after he asked where did I find it and I said by going to 32 estate sales With a whispered, lowered voice filled with astonished, disbelief and mater of fact- fessing up.

"It's .... It's made by Elgin!"
He put the handlebar mirrors it came with on the shelf like they were precious jewels and got the bike away from me and into his stash in his garage and I made a nice profit off of it, we had lunch and off I went.

Elgin's are nice and collectable and get nice prices. He got a nice price for it after getting it from me. Don't do what I did! I was dumb. Even if it's not your cup of tea keep it and do your research and be patient and sell it yourself.

I guess I wanted to show it off and take it to mr. balloon tire and gloat see what I found and all that but he pounced. There was only one balloon tire bike he had in there that called to me, but that one was magical more than the others I ran up to it and grabbed it and looked it over and he laughed at me the way I acted. I remember the day I brought over this battery horn and he said be patient and we sprayed oil in it and we sat there smacking the thing with the handle of the screw driver until it loosened up and blew and then blew louder and wow it was loud and ok turn it off!

It was fun to make his house the stop after I had snapped up stuff and fun to have him ask "Where did you find this stuff?"

Don't do this either! You need to sort out and examine and do research and take some time and don't show stuff off or try to flip it so soon. They get in there and pick thru and try to get things away from you and sometimes there are clues for them like where it was sold from the name of the shop you just visited on some paper tag and then guess what? they are there getting into the remainder of the stuff before you finished cleaning it out!

Anyways, I got rambling again- sorry. I am not in a part of the country currently, where I find these like I used to and well, I miss finding these!

Your bike is made by Phillips or the "J.A.Phillips" company as it was known. they were bought up/ merged with Raleigh and then Raleigh closed down the Phillips factories all 3 of them and them Phillips became a name on a Raleigh bike but this is from before that happened. It's a 3 speed "city bike" That tatty old seat is comfortable. My guess is for value about $50.- 100.00 in there. My best advice is to ride it and have fun with it.

Nothing on this bike is difficult to find pretty basic, all of it they made those rear 3 speed hubs by the millions.
There is an added bonus that it is a Hiwatha branded bike. it make it more cool and magical

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1954 Hiawatha posted by graham on 7/23/2009 at 7:15:52 AM
thanks for your input, thisbike was in the landfill and i had to hide it to get it out, they dont allow people to remove things. they have at lest two others i wont to go back and get. The only question i have is the badge says london. i also found another stamp on the top cast lug. dont have the number with me. a letter and 4/5 numbers. what size bearings does this take?

           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1954 Hiawatha posted by Graham on 7/23/2009 at 7:24:17 AM
added more pictures, bike is stripped just for cleaning, at this time no major overhaul.

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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bicycle Geometry posted by: PRM on 7/18/2009 at 8:56:11 PM
Hi there... Got a question... Was there any change in bicycle geometry for Raleigh/Rudge/Humber Sports from the 1950s to 1970s. Whenever I look at picture of a 21" (especially) or a 23" bike from the early '50s and compare to something from the or late '50s, mid '60s, or '70s the geometry looks a bit different. Is it just me? Do my eyes deceive me?


           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bicycle Geometry posted by Keith Body on 7/19/2009 at 1:38:34 PM
British utility bikes seat angles, in the 1900's mostly 65 - 67degrees. 1920's /30's 67 but getting better by 1938. Post WW2 they crept up a little more, 69 degrees was common. Raleigh catalogues quote angles for the more sporty bikes, presume that utiliy riders didn't need to know. Probably up to 70 degrees by the end of the UK cycle industry. One of my favourite bikes is 74 seat, 72 hesd, with 1 3/4" fork rake (offset, trail).
UK brought out rules about clearance in front of the pedals, so that they could not make a sensible small frame for 26 /27" wheels, unless for sporting purposes.
Export Raleigh were quite different.
Many US cycle makers before 1900 were using angles about 72, then went backwards. Thats about as near as I can get.

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WANTED:   Need Sturmey LH cone posted by: Bicycle Mark on 7/17/2009 at 4:50:40 PM
Trying to repair a Steelight drum brake hub. Need a left hand cone, part HSB 407. Can get one from England, but don't like the idea of paying 15 bucks shipping for a 5 dollar part. Any help appreciated.

           RE:WANTED:   Need Sturmey LH cone posted by David on 7/18/2009 at 7:11:20 PM
Try Harris Cyclery. They bought a large lot of Sturmey parts last summer.

           RE:RE:WANTED:   Need Sturmey LH cone posted by Bicycle Mark on 7/20/2009 at 11:57:41 AM
Well, nothing I can find on their website.

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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wheel does not like it's home! posted by: keith on 7/16/2009 at 10:15:18 PM
So, I was riding my (girlfriends) sunbeam around the neighborhood at around 2 am the other night, thrilled that I had finally gotten the cable adjusted so that the bike actually had a second gear, when the bike came to a sudden halt. My first thought was that the brakes had somehow locked up, but that wasnt the case. It turns out the rear wheel slid forward on the dropout, becoming lodged against the fender in the rear fork.

I couldn't quite figure out how it happened, but I carried the bike home and tightened the wheel back in place. It seemed like it would be difficult to align, but as I tightened it down and it evened itself out.

So I thought the problem was licked - until I got an angry call from my girlfriend today. She was making a left through a busy intersection, and the wheel slipped again. She had to carry a 40 year old solid steel bike 2 miles home, and wanted someone to blame.

Anyway, it was my fault, I told her it was fixed -- but now I am left puzzled. I can tighten the wheel back in place, but it seems clear that I am missing something. Is there a special trick with these wheels to make them stay? Or is it just a matter of pressure between the nuts? Any advice you can offer that will spare me another night on the couch will be truly appreciated.

keith (the new one)

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wheel does not like it's home! posted by Kevin on 7/17/2009 at 4:22:17 AM
It sounds as though the threads on the axle and/or the nuts are stripped. Could you have overtightened the nuts when you fixed the wheel? Do not ride the bike again until this very serious problem is fixed.

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wheel does not like it's home! posted by Steve on 7/17/2009 at 4:58:53 AM
You've just reminded me of a similar problem on one of my elderly delivery bikes.
The axle thread has been stripped/damaged on one side at some stage in it's life, in order to secure the wheel, I "pack over" the dodgy thread area with one or two washers and then tighten up the nut on good thread.

I'll put a new axle in one day....yeh, yeh, yeh !


           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wheel does not like it's home! posted by Keith Body on 7/17/2009 at 7:47:41 AM
Most likely you have rear facing rear fork ends, this is an example of one reason for better bikes having brazed-up forward facing ends, which are inclined downwards.
Most of the "roadster" type rear fork ends were supplied with chain adjusters, which are a loop round the rear axle under the hub nuts, and a cap with an adjusting nut at the rear of the fork end. If you have a hub gear, depending on type, there can be a torque applied to the rear axle in some gears. This is why raleigh with SA gears have tabbed washers which fit the fork ends, and resist the axle turn.
I believe most Sunbeams have mudguards fixed to the seat stays, not under the hub nuts, which helps.
Any pictures? You can send to my email if you wish.

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wheel does not like it's home! posted by keith on 7/17/2009 at 11:00:44 PM
So I should have mentioned that while it's branded Sunbeam, it was made in '71 which I guess does make it a Raleigh with an SA. I have included pics (I hope that worked...). Anyway, even when I put the wheel back on, it does seem difficult to get it aligned -- the chaine always wants to pull it to one side. I have of coourse disconnected the gear cable, but still. I am definitely a noob so there is likely something easy I am missing. I would like to fix it myself, but not at her expense -- I will take it in somewhere if necessary.


           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wheel does not like it's home! posted by Matthew on 7/18/2009 at 11:37:14 AM
Quote from Keith, 'This is why Raleigh with SA gears have tabbed washers which fit the fork ends, and resist the axle turn.'

You have a Raleigh with an up market name. My opinion is that the chain is a tad short too and the axle could do with sitting further into the drop out.

Matthew - dropping in not out.


           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wheel does not like it's home! posted by Keith Body on 7/18/2009 at 1:24:40 PM
Hi, Just a suggestion, the tabbed washer on the chain side: are the tabs too large and stopping the nut clamping on the fork end? The nut could be tightening against the tabs instead of the fork end.

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wheel does not like it's home! posted by keith on 7/18/2009 at 1:36:31 PM

It doesn't appear that way, looks like its tightening against the fork ok. The chain does seem a bit short though, the wheel barely slides up into the dropouts. The chains are clearly a relatively part, so I'm thinking maybe I'll just try to add a link.

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wheel does not like it's home! posted by Kevin on 7/18/2009 at 7:09:55 PM
Are the washers you're using smooth on the inside or serrated -- that is, machined to grip the frame?

           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wheel does not like it's home! posted by Chris on 7/20/2009 at 1:51:39 PM
Well, if it were my bike. I would get a pair of original Sturmey- Archer serrated tooth wedge washers and omit the flat steel type washer you are using. I would also slap in a larger tooth rear sprocket like a 20 or a 22 tooth cog and I agree about adding more chain it needs to sit back in the drop outs more. This looks like the basic 18 tooth cog and the bike will be more enjoyable to ride with a bigger rear sprocket. If the axle is striped in the rear hub you can install a new axle but I don't feel that is the problem.

Basically you are ommitting the needed part called the "serrated Sturmey- Archer tabbed washer"

yes, by 1971 Sunbeam was just a name on a Raleigh made bike but before that? Oh wow, they were magical the very best!

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AGE / VALUE:    the benefits of a "stupid little bicycle" posted by: Chris on 7/16/2009 at 6:41:15 PM
She wrinkled here nose and made a snippy comment about my stupid little bicycle. Well a stupid little bicycle does not need oil all the time like some cars do. Found her off the stick she needed 4 quarts only put in 1 and she complained about the price of oil was going to have it changed and do it then yeah right well, it slowed down sputtered the lights went on it died and would not re- start and gee, what do you think is the matter with it? i just put in a quart of oil in it.

She burned up the motor car is toast- ran it out of oil.

She is on her "stupid little bicycle" and hopefully, feeling stupid. We oil chains not entire engines and thankfully it does not leak or consume away as with old jalopy cars.
Why don't they listen when you try to tell them to keep oil in the car? interesting and pretty gal but nasty and well, stupid.

           RE:AGE / VALUE:    the benefits of a posted by Keith Body on 7/17/2009 at 7:55:53 AM
Hi Chris, when you have a car using that much oil you might get waste oil (out of oil changes) from the local friendly garage man. But using oil like that it really shouldn't be on the road.
Not many oil their bike chains, (or anything else) from what I see around here. So now all you do for her bike is oil the chain and inflate the tyres?

           RE:AGE / VALUE:    the benefits of a posted by Matthew on 7/18/2009 at 11:38:53 AM
That's one less car!

Matthew - pedalling the car free gospel

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AGE / VALUE:   Pair of Vistas posted by: Katherine on 7/16/2009 at 8:28:36 AM
I have a matching pair of Vista bikes, his & hers, an Esquire and a Duchess. All original and perfectly matching. I would like to fine some info on them. Vintage mid 70's Covered and stored last 27 years
Any help? or site suggestions for info? Thanks

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Pair of Vistas posted by Matthew on 7/19/2009 at 1:01:42 AM
Hi Katherine,

Sounds like you have a pleasant pair of bicycles. They may well be 'store specials' from a local bicycle shop or major retailer, which has added 'own brand' marketing to mass produced bicycles for a large manufacturer.

I have not come across Vista before. Are you in the UK or the US of A?

Matthew - learning all the time; continuously

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Pair of Vistas posted by Jeff Bikeguy on 7/22/2009 at 2:15:27 PM
In my area, shops that didn't carry Schwinn or Raleigh sold Vista (or Ross) bicycles. These weren't as high quality but are still much better than department store bikes. I like think of them as a "bike shop grade" Columbia. I believe Vistas were sold from the late 60's to about 1980. I had a black 1978 Vista Torino II three-speed Sting-Ray copy when I was a kid.

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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cumberland GL posted by: Mark on 7/15/2009 at 5:06:39 PM
I lived in Amsterdam in 1990-91 and we bought his/hers 3 speed bikes there. Excellent quality bikes that say, "Cumberland GL". 3 speed, drum brakes, old style generator lights and built like a Harley Davidson. Heavy as hell and not really suited for the hills we live on near Seattle though. I'm considering selling them but can't find any reference to them on the web. Can anyone help me?

Thanks, Mark

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cumberland GL posted by David on 7/17/2009 at 1:20:52 PM
Just call 'em "Dutch bikes" and you'll probably do ok. There were some NY Times articles about Dutch bikes recently that have probably created some buzz for them. Good luck

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AGE / VALUE:   Rays Cycles Nottingham England posted by: Darrin Herr on 7/15/2009 at 3:02:42 PM
Can anybody help me? I have a still operational red ladies bicycle. The emblem on the yoke or fork housing reads "Rays Cycles Nottingham England". The serial number is 8. What years were these bikes made? Are they Collectable? What is the worth of this type of bike?

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rays Cycles Nottingham England posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/15/2009 at 6:37:19 PM
Sounds rather interesting. Might it be possible to post up a picture or two. Worth a thousand word... (though I do say... the words download faster... ;-)


Larry "Boneman" Bone - I wanna SEE it!

           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rays Cycles Nottingham England posted by chris on 7/15/2009 at 6:47:19 PM
patience please this takes time you don't want to rush and i sense that you are rushing we need pictures please this can be valuable and historic so please shove it in low gear. we are dying to see pictures

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rays Cycles Nottingham England posted by Darrin on 7/16/2009 at 6:13:31 PM
Here are photos of the bike.


           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rays Cycles Nottingham England posted by Keith Body on 7/17/2009 at 9:28:12 AM
Hi Darrin, This bike has to be quantity production to have a specially stamped chainwheel, (RN) but the chainwheel does not look british. Close up of the fork ends, seat lug and head bearings could help. Any name on the rims, and tyre size might help.
First impression looks like a large US maker comissioning a product to resemble TI/Raleigh export make of 1970's. In this form it would be illegal in the british market.
As I am not a collector I have no idea of value.
Chris, as this is a very civilised site, I am really trying to be polite.

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rays Cycles Nottingham England posted by David on 7/17/2009 at 1:25:14 PM
See if you can determine the headset or bottom bracket threading. It looks like Raleigh production (commonly rebadged for volume customers). 26tpi threading on those parts would confirm Raleigh.

           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rays Cycles Nottingham England posted by Chris on 7/20/2009 at 2:06:04 PM
The chainwheel crank has R.I.N. spelled out in letters in the crank which was "Raleigh Industries" this crank went on Raleigh's Robin Hood bicycles (the earlier ones.) it is a universal crank Raleigh used and it is a famous crank set at that. They discontinued this style to my dismay it is one of my favorite Raleigh cranks. Raleigh had more than one cranks available. some cranks went on certain bikes and this one went on Ray's and Robin Hoods and other bikes. Raleigh's had Herons and Humber had the three imps and so forth. We need better, clearer pictures yes, this is a Raleigh made bike for a volume customer. what happens often is that bikes wind up with wrong handlebars and grips and seats this would not have left the factory looking like this. The chrome plate on the chainwheel cranks was of the highest quality too. this has been neglected on this bike but will clean up better than you imagine. Good British chrome on this crank. The headset and bottom bracket parts if Raleigh made are out there. like I said we need better pictures.

           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rays Cycles Nottingham England posted by Chris on 7/20/2009 at 2:07:40 PM
Keith, you are doing fine!

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AGE / VALUE:   Hercules or CCM? posted by: Ken on 7/15/2009 at 8:52:18 AM
I recently purchased a vintage lightweight bicycle for fix-up at a bicycle commuter co-op. I have been scouring the picture database to identify the make of the bike, but no pictures were detailed enough for a positive confirmation and a couple of candidates are very similar.

The bike has a Perry coaster brake hub and it has a distinctive bend in the single top tube just before the seat post. A second distinctive feature of the frame is that the rear forks are not welded to the frame but are instead bolted to the seat tube and the chainstays (the horizontal tubes that run back from the bottom bracket--I hope I have the right terminology).

Based mainly on the top tube and rear forks, it looked most like a CCM Rambler 500. However, after pulling everything apart and starting to strip and clean the frame in preparation for painting, I discovered that the cover over
the bottom bracket says "Hercules Made in England" The rims were also made in England. The serial number under the seat post is very similar to those for Hercules made by Raleigh after 1960 (5 digits followed by 2 letters).

I didn't see a bolted rear fork on any pictures for Hercules bikes. Does anyone know if CCM used Hercules parts or can I safely assume (i.e., most educated guess) that this is a Hercules and I have just missed the fork detail in the photos?


           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules or CCM? posted by Ken on 7/15/2009 at 10:11:08 AM
One more additional piece of information. The bike I described has 28" tires. My search didn't pull up any Raleighs or Hercules with tires this large in diameter. Not sure how much this matters...

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules or CCM? posted by Steve on 7/15/2009 at 11:26:51 AM
Ken, many elderly Hercules and Raleighs had 28" tyres.

Any chance of a photo...."lightweight" is throwing me off the scent !


           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules or CCM? posted by Ken on 7/15/2009 at 12:50:43 PM
Hi Steve,

Sorry, I forgot to take a picture before I took the bike apart (a rookie move, I know, but I am a neophyte in this area). If you look at the picture in the database for the CCM Rambler 500 and imagine the bike without a chain guard or kickstand and with a crummy forest green paint job, that would look exactly like the bike I have. Oh, and the supports for the fenders were round rather than flat as shown in the picture (possibly replaced?)

I may have misdescribed the bike as "lightweight", but I wrote that because the bike looks like what I thought were other lightweight bikes, i.e., large diameter, thin tires (1-1/2") and what looks like smaller diameter tubing than you get on some modern cruisers. Sorry--I'll try to stick to descriptions rather than labels in the future! Hope you can help me out.

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules or CCM? posted by Warren on 7/15/2009 at 3:00:32 PM
Oddly enough...Hercules was a line of components used on CCM bikes for decades but I don't think bottom bracket was one of them. In fact some of their early models were called Hercules. These were not related to either the English or German marques.

CCM did use Perry hubs around WWII and although their rims were Dunlop 28 x 1 1/2 WO the rim size is smaller than the British tyre marked the same. It's identical to 700c tires so if you can stretch one of those on your rim then it's a Canadian bike. But for the pre-1930 models, the letters CCM were always found on the one piece crankset.

If your bike is a 3 piece crankset then it's likely a Brit bike. A picture of it will tell the story.

           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules or CCM? posted by sam on 7/15/2009 at 7:00:51 PM
Warren wrote:CCM did use Perry hubs around WWII and although their rims were Dunlop 28 x 1 1/2 WO the rim size is smaller than the British tyre marked the same

I have a set of Canadian rims set me by Tom in the 28x1 1/2 or 700 size---they were made in England(not dunlop rims)I forget the maker at pressent.
The British Bicycle industry supplied the world with parts--not just compleat bikes.
We're lucky to have Warren,Tom,Ed and others to help us understand Canadian bikes---sam

           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules or CCM? posted by Chris on 7/16/2009 at 6:11:15 PM
Correct Sam!
The British bicycle industry supplied Canada with a ton of British bicycle parts far more than that could be found on the other side of the border back in Michigan. It was delightful to find so much British stuff just under the river and thru the tunnel past Canadian Customs and to those delightful shops I went!

Sturmey- Archer parts, Raleigh, Brooks it was all there. After buying all of the rod brake bikes they had I had to bring one back over as a favour to my friend and he put a Santa Clause maaquin on the bike and with a motor spinning the cranks the Santa's legs went up and down and Santa was pedaling the black Raleigh Rod brake Tourist enclosed chaincase and all in the shops front window.
There was much stuff to be found in Canada and aided by the strong U.S. dollar at the time, there was a lot of multicolored funny lookin money to be exchanged for the U.S. bills. C.C.M and Hercules did a lot of cross business in Canada.

           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules or CCM? posted by Warren on 7/16/2009 at 7:59:32 PM
Kind words Sam. Maybe those rims were Palmers?

Someone posted this url earlier.

These free archives have a few early 20th century bike catalogues under the Canadian archives that should be interesting to all vintage bike enthusiasts. I've yet to check the US directory yet.

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AGE / VALUE:   Great roadster/trade bike website posted by: Kevin on 7/15/2009 at 6:03:23 AM
Keith suggested this site: http://oldbike.wordpress.com/
and it's really a great resource. There are photos of some amazing old roadsters there, and a link to a trade bike site. Most are totally original, unrestored and "barn fresh." I really love such survivors.

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Great roadster/trade bike website posted by Keith Body on 7/15/2009 at 1:41:35 PM
Thanks Kevin, I thought it was brilliant. What a lot of work. Can't remember where I found it.

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Great roadster/trade bike website posted by Steve on 7/15/2009 at 3:34:06 PM
I also "landed" on this site (don't know how) quite a while back, it's fascinating.
I then got bombarded with bike after bike after bike....and then it slipped out of my mind !
Glad you mentioned it Keith, must have taken quite a while to put it together.
A big "well done" to the author/compiler....whoever it is !


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MISC:   1959 CCM Bicycle information posted by: Victor on 7/14/2009 at 6:44:54 PM
I just purchased a 1959 CCM men's coaster bicycle. I was planning on restoring it to it's original state. Does anyone know where I can get info and images of what this bike might have originally looked like? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

           RE:MISC:   1959 CCM Bicycle information posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/15/2009 at 2:59:30 AM
Uhm... not for nothing... but there's a pretty extensive picture database on this website that may be helpful....


I did a search on CCM in the "Find This Make" section.... and there were quite a few in there!

Best of luck with your new acquisition!


Larry "Boneman" Bone - It looks like.... THAT ONE!

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