OldRoads.com > Discuss: English 3-speeds
Discuss: English Roadsters Scroll Down For Messages


All pictures and text in these pages are (c)2010 Menotomy Vintage Bicycles, Inc.(tm) and may not be used in any form without written permission from Menotomy Vintage Bicycles, Inc.(tm).

Search 18 years of ARCHIVES:  


Disclaimer:
Menotomy Vintage Bicycles, Inc. has set up this discussion area for the sharing of vintage and custom bicycle information. Anyone may add their opinions to this forum, as long as they follow the rules outlined below. We are not responsible for incorrect or misleading advise which may appear here.

RULES:

All pictures and text in these pages are (c)2010 Menotomy Vintage Bicycles, Inc.(tm) and may not be used in any form without written permission from Menotomy Vintage Bicycles, Inc.(tm).


Vintage Bicycle Discussion Area

English Roadsters


Post a new topic, or click an existing topic below:




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

AGE / VALUE:   hercules posted by: sam on 7/12/2009 at 5:14:48 PM
Frankinbike? most likely!wrong pedals---but what about the rest?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-1937-Hercules-bicycle-antique-classic-bike_W0QQitemZ170356382419QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item27aa081ad3&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A10%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
The bars are not off a modern buzz bike---I have only seen this style or bend on very early American bikes--Morrow coaster(also American)seat looks 20/30s american too.
by: 68.90.181.228

  Replies:
           RE:AGE / VALUE:   hercules posted by Matthew on 7/13/2009 at 1:29:33 PM
Yuk!
by: 82.3.91.107




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rod Brake Handlebars posted by: Tim on 7/11/2009 at 3:53:24 PM
Good afternoon, I was wondering if anyone knows when the English rod brake bars changed from swept back to a more north-roadish design.
by: 75.93.4.109

  Replies:
           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rod Brake Handlebars posted by Matthew on 7/12/2009 at 1:04:18 AM
Hi Tim,

Designs varied across the years and across manufacturers. I have seen very early safety cycles with straight 'bars and rod brakes and all manner of sweeps and styles there on after.

Matthew - right around the bend, your Huckleberry friend
by: 86.31.36.158

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rod Brake Handlebars posted by Tim on 7/12/2009 at 6:51:54 AM
Matthew, thank you for responding. Tim
by: 75.93.4.109

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rod Brake Handlebars posted by Keith Body on 7/13/2009 at 2:21:25 PM
Hi Tim, in the UK most cycle makers modernised 1935 - 1937.
Some older styles were made, but the modern bikes outsold them. Improved road surfaces allowed steeper angles and 26" wheels, although the export markets favoured the old style. As you may find, my personal bikes are traditional super lightweights. Rarely used now.
by: 92.9.63.66

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rod Brake Handlebars posted by Keith Body on 7/14/2009 at 1:54:19 AM
Tim, forgot this:
http://oldbike.wordpress.com/
Worth a look
by: 92.20.217.94




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Ancient (but how ancient?) Hercules posted by: Steve on 7/11/2009 at 12:25:09 PM
Found this old Herc. at a thrift shop for $5. New tubes & tires, new seat, new brake shoes were all it really needed, aside from a great deal of grease (there are bearings all over this bike) and elbow grease of course. If anyone can help me date it, I would be grateful. Also, I'm looking for an appropriate tail light or reflector. Other info.: 26 X 1 1/2 inch tires; original seat was hard leather; hub is Sturmey Archer AW, no date; hub says "patent" but gives no number; serial # on bike's frame appears to be LT 2137. I hope the "LT" doesn't stand for "light". Rides very nicely, by the way, although I can't get 2nd gear to work.


by: 24.217.77.175


  Replies:
           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:���Ancient (but how ancient?) Hercules posted by Warren on 7/11/2009 at 4:42:30 PM
You're killing me here. $5.......

It's a Birmingham badge...late 50's? The 26 X 1 1/2 tires are getting hard to replace so keep your eyes open for spares.
It's missing a front dynohub methinks and rear light, grips are wrong, as is the SA shifter (too new) and the cable routing is bad. Ditch that kickstand quickly...please? Get a nice B73/B72/B66 and you're traveling in style. (the totally unoriginal cool-stops custom-shaped to fit the pad holders are a good thing if you make it a regular rider)

Wow...congrats...it's worth taking that puppy back to original from a collectors pov.
by: 24.215.86.83

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Ancient (but how ancient?) Hercules posted by David on 7/11/2009 at 7:07:24 PM
It looks like it's missing the lock ring on the BB adjustable cup. And I wonder if it's actually old - perhaps African or Indian production? The paint looks too fresh for a 50s bike. But maybe that's just a testament to Steve's hard work.
by: 216.15.114.27

           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Ancient (but how ancient?) Hercules posted by Warren on 7/11/2009 at 7:51:43 PM
David, I never thought about it being a later model repro but it's certainly possible.

The oiler, the stamped pedals, mudguard plate and chainring all look original but the chainguard and decal look wrong. Maybe this was a restoration that came up a little short?
I'm not sure if that's a lockring in the CU or not.
by: 24.215.86.83

           RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Ancient (but how ancient?) Hercules posted by Steve on 7/11/2009 at 9:29:08 PM
I should have mentioned that it has obviously been re-painted at some time, and all the striping done with decals. Surely they weren't using decals when this bike was originally manufactured. Not in the pictures: a Veeder odometer (pat. 1885) that I just re-installed. The mileage reading was 8,030. Now 8,035 since I took it to the grocery store.
by: 24.217.77.175

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Ancient (but how ancient?) Hercules posted by Matthew on 7/12/2009 at 1:06:49 AM
The evidence before us says, late 1930s.

But who am I to say?

Matthew - life's a guess.
by: 86.31.36.158

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Ancient (but how ancient?) Hercules posted by Keith Body on 7/12/2009 at 4:00:23 AM
This is not like any UK Hercules. Unlikely to be export model either. 26 x 1 1/2 wheels were pre WW2 in UK. Wrong spoking, is it 36 36? Handlebar shape looks "far east".
Sort out the gear cable, oil and straighten, then adjust the gear.
by: 92.22.198.242




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

WANTED:   WTB: Cable stop for Raleigh Twenty 3-speed posted by: Kevin on 7/11/2009 at 2:14:22 AM
Granted, it's not a roadster, but it's still a Raleigh. If you have this clamp-style cable stop, let me know. Thanks
by: 24.13.125.25

  Replies:
           RE:WANTED:   WTB: Cable stop for Raleigh Twenty 3-speed posted by Warren on 7/11/2009 at 6:22:31 AM
there's at least 2 types....

http://tinyurl.com/ng5tbt
or
http://tinyurl.com/ng5tbt

the second one comes in different 16 or 14 mm chainstay diameters.
by: 24.215.86.83

           RE:RE:WANTED:   WTB: Cable stop for Raleigh Twenty 3-speed posted by Warren on 7/11/2009 at 6:23:17 AM
ooops...same url. Just peruse the SJS cycle page.
by: 24.215.86.83

           RE:WANTED:   WTB: Cable stop for Raleigh Twenty 3-speed posted by Kevin on 7/11/2009 at 2:49:38 PM
Thanks Warren -- I found one in my stash of oddball parts. I have no idea where I got it or how long it's been there. I love the Raleigh 20 -- rode it to the farmer's market this morning to buy bread and sweet corn. I felt like I was in Ireland ... or at least Dublin, Ohio.
by: 24.13.125.25

           RE:WANTED:   WTB: Cable stop for Raleigh Twenty 3-speed posted by Steve on 7/11/2009 at 3:45:31 PM
I've had approximately 60 bikes go through my hands in the last 18 months or so, including half a dozen Raleigh 20's, one of which I've kept because it's such a handy compact, solid bike (especially as it's "well spannered" and is equipped with all the goodies), cost....£0.99 !
I kept it in preference to the Moulton, can you believe that !
Steve
by: 93.96.36.127

           RE:WANTED:   WTB: Cable stop for Raleigh Twenty 3-speed posted by Kevin on 7/11/2009 at 5:29:11 PM
Steve -- Wow -- now that's a bargain. I got two of them in a trade -- I didn't really want them but I had to take them to sell a Schwinn ballooner that I didn't need at all. I have $35 in the pair. Both are the non-folding type, three-speed SA and really narrow, 20 X 1 3/8 tires. The moustache-style handlebars and stiff frame make it a joy to ride.
by: 24.13.125.25




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

AGE / VALUE:   Message for Bruce Robbins posted by: Chris on 7/9/2009 at 5:23:52 PM
Bruce, I wish the Brown Brothers c.d. you offer was here, in all it's winsome glory, a part forever of the oldroads.com resources section.

This fellow a few threads down is hunting a rod brake part for a bike and he needs a picture of this rod brake part so folks will understand what exactly he is looking for.

I thought the only way to get a picture of this part is off of the c.d. because the actual catalog is collectable and rare and seldon if ever, seen by 90 % of the visitors here.

Lets change that, Put the catalog here allow anybody to see it like I did with the Raleigh Rudge Humber exploded diagrams.

Go into hyperdrive and load ALL OF the Brown brothers catalog here. Be the only place on the net to offer it. Open the door and show everybody why we love these bikes so much.

Show them the Brown Brothers catalog. This would be one huge investment in the future of Oldroads.com Worth all the effort and bother.
Also, it's time we take the oldroads.com readers into the pages of the fantastic and lay before everybody here the great fantastic gem that is the Brown Brothers wholesale guide.

This way you log onto oldroads.com and click on: "Brown Brothers catalog"
and anybody here could jump into the Brown Brothers book and refrencing this or that part would be easier and possible.

To take that whole book and have Vin add it here would be a time consuming challenge for Vin but he's up to it I am sure.

I am asking for you to share a copy of the c.d. with Vin and I am asking for Vin to up load that c.d.'s contents that is, all of the Brown Brothers catalogs contents here and lets take oldroads.com and make it

Turbo oldroads.com!

Add this material, here, and lets double the amount of hits to this web site.

I think it's a good idea and over due.

This way, whomever is teaching the class here be it Keith, or Warren or any and all of the contributors here can say,

Ok, Class turn in your British bicycle textbook to page

144" and we can discuss anything from Cyclo gears, bicycle tools, needed rod brake parts for a friends bike, any thing.

It's just plain crazy to discuss all this stuff we all share a love for without a textbook.

What college teaches a class withoput a textbook?

The Brown Brothers catalog was THE mail jobber dealer bicycle store wish book that all the shops ordered from and it is an invaluable resource and I sit here wondering,

Yes, Why not?

Bruce, send Vin the C.D. and Vin, haul it all up and post it all here.

I think everybody here would agree they'd like to see it here and be able to access it simply by visiting this web site.
by: 69.153.86.42

  Replies:
           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Message for Bruce Robbins posted by Chris on 7/9/2009 at 5:53:44 PM
This is carrying on the torch, taking up the unfinished work that Sheldon Brown did so tirelessly for so long.

To plow ahead without a refrence guide is crazy.
Sheldon's work will go on and on because it was shared on the net.

That glorious little catalog is too special too good to stay hidden any longer.
by: 69.153.86.42

           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Message for Bruce Robbins posted by Chris on 7/9/2009 at 6:05:16 PM
Then, after that is done lets line up suppliers, collectors and others who can say, hey, that tool or batch of parts or whatever that you guys are showing on page 57? I have them,

or, my company offers these still, or hey I make the tool or, my shop can get you one of these!

So, with a picture of the part folks can begin the task of using that picture to find what they are looking for.

We can't brethe new life into this site and fly it to the heavens without a guide book. The Brown Brothers book is our "guide book" to this.

Can you all imagine how much more smoothly and better this will run and imagine the discussions and progress we can make with that book here, at Oldroads.com?
While the folks who were there who had these books while the folks who sold these parts, who ran the shops, who ran the companies that sold these parts while they are still alive to comment and build up a web site devoted to the
resurgence, restoration and renewal of Vintage British bicycles!
I want to hear Keith teach us more and he needs a book for us all to turn to.

It's the Thompson Brown Brothers catalog and they were huge supplier they went from the 1920's thru to the 1960's and they covered the golden era of bicycles. Bruces C.D. is perfect!

PLEASE?
by: 69.153.86.42

           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Message for Bruce Robbins posted by Chris on 7/9/2009 at 6:08:46 PM
Summoning up this stuff from memories and experience without refrence material here is like climbing up steps on our knees. Why? when you can take the moving sidewalk and see it all!
by: 69.153.86.42

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Message for Bruce Robbins posted by Steve on 7/10/2009 at 2:15:32 AM
It would certainly be a big help.

I recently spoke to a known vintage bicycle dealer (with whom I had done a deal with over a few unusual sized tyres), I mentioned to him about the extended rod I was looking for, and his comments were "you'll never find one of them" !

Well, you should 'never say never'....makes you wonder though !

Steve
by: 93.96.36.127

           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Message for Bruce Robbins posted by Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles on 7/11/2009 at 4:51:51 AM
I would certainly compensate Bruce for his time and effort in scanning them.
-Vin
by: 71.184.108.192

           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Message for Bruce Robbins posted by Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles on 7/11/2009 at 5:03:13 AM
And I just found the CDs for 1939 and 1952 sent to me by (Bruce?) about 8 years ago.
Very nice work.

-Vin
by: 71.184.108.192

           RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Message for Vin posted by humberchristopher29@hotmail.com on 7/14/2009 at 6:37:49 PM
Basically Vin, with this, you are going to be the first one to invent "warp drive" and therefore usher in a whole new era of vintage bicycle related sales and services.

I am wanting to see this web site climb to higher altitudes and push the throttle forward and go to new and exciting places.

This is important work. The best thing I have ever suggested. You are going to be pouring a foundation on which to build exciting things.
Please scan the whole thing (s) and get it loaded here. allow folks to enter these magical pages and wander about with their eyes buged out.

Then, going down the list of the whole bike

tires,
baskets,

grips, gear cables, frame decals, all of it. line up suppliers.

make old roads.com the place to go to when you need something the only place with the resources.

Keith and I are discussing suppliers and the whole group here will be here to help build the future.
lets line up suppliers posted here and lets supply customers the world over with EVERYTHING they could ever ask for when it comes to old bikes.

Yes, I am wanting us to leave the dark ages and begin the "renissance fair" of old British bicycles.

I want this page to be the beginning of enterprise (s) that makes money.

Talk? LETS SHOW THEM!!
If you build it they will come!

I am glad that you have the material. It's the keys to a whole new world. There is money to be made in this and I am at your service as always.
by: 69.153.86.42

           RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Message for Vin posted by Chris on 7/14/2009 at 6:42:35 PM
It is Invaluable and priceless for refrence and oh my! the discussion subjects that will stem from this!

Enough things to discuss and bring to life for the next 1000 thousand years!
by: 69.153.86.42

           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Message for Bruce Robbins posted by Chris on 7/14/2009 at 6:45:51 PM
We specialize in things from "You'll Never Find It Land"

it's out there stay tuned!
by: 69.153.86.42

           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Message for Bruce Robbins posted by Chris on 7/14/2009 at 6:48:10 PM
Up load it. It's going to be be on stage here, at oldroads.com. Center stage where everything that's "jumping and happening" in all of vintage bicycle internet land is based from.
by: 69.153.86.42

           RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Message for Bruce Robbins posted by Vin on 7/18/2009 at 4:13:24 AM
I've exchanged email with Bruce. We'll see what happens..
-Vin
by: 71.184.108.192

           RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Message for Bruce Robbins posted by Chris on 7/27/2009 at 6:48:04 PM
Well, don't hold your breath folks. Vin appears busy with other projects like selling inventory from another shop. I have not found Bruces e- mail address and have not been in touch with him. So, the gates to utter bicycle magic- ville remain closed.

"Hope is a dangerous thing, hope can drive a man insane, it's got no use on the inside and you had better get used to that idea"

Like Brooks Hadland did?
from-
The shawshank redemption
by: 69.153.86.42

           RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Message for Bruce Robbins posted by Vin on 7/28/2009 at 3:50:22 AM
Hi Chris,
I've had a few emails with him about this, but he hasn't gotten back to me with my most recent questions.
I'm willing to buy an old catalog and get it scanned, if anyone sees one for sale. There could be copyright issues if it is not 75+ years old.
by: 71.184.108.192

           RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Message for Bruce Robbins posted by Chris on 7/28/2009 at 9:27:46 AM
Vin, I'll e- mail you privately, off the list, about this.
by: 69.153.86.42




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

MISC:   SA twist grip slipping posted by: Mark on 7/9/2009 at 3:23:18 PM
any suggestions for replacing/repairing a "naughty" twist grip on my 66 Raleigh Sports--it slips and spins at the part where the white grip would engage the circular clip in the shifter unit itself...but then it sometimes works again for no reason. it also doesn't much like going into first. I know most people prefer the traditional trigger but i would like to keep this one or possibly replace it with a new SA twist
If i replace would the cable end work or do i need a new cable? thanks
by: 205.127.245.44

  Replies:
           RE:MISC:   SA twist grip slipping posted by Chris on 7/9/2009 at 3:42:35 PM
replace it. The cable will be the same but while you are at it, use a new cable.

The Sturmey- Archer twist grip is the father of the "grip shift" which we see on the bikes today. The patent must have expired. A shame Sturmey- Archer let grip shift take over modern derailer shifting by allowing somebody else make off with their idea and design.

Will a modern grip shift shifter operate the old school s.a. hubs? I don't know, I doubt it, as the spacing may not be the same. There is no trend of using new grip shift shifters with sturmey archer hubs. Take a look at "Sun Race Sturmey- Archer" web site to see.

I would just use a standard Sturmey-Archer trigger and find another grip. Slipping handlebar grips are not exactly a safe thing. I would use a fixed handlebar grip myself with the trigger.
by: 69.153.86.42

           RE:MISC: SA twist grip slipping posted by mark on 7/9/2009 at 4:53:46 PM
thanks, i thought the twist grip had a different end than the trigger
by: 205.127.245.44

           RE:RE:MISC: SA twist grip slipping posted by Chris on 7/9/2009 at 5:20:23 PM
Oh, yes, it does have a different end than the trigger. Sorry I misunderstood you.
by: 69.153.86.42




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

AGE / VALUE:   Kovels July 2009 issue posted by: Chris on 7/8/2009 at 6:24:35 PM
Recycled bicycles article on the cover and on page 123


A Western Flyer, Singer, Bone shaker, Rex three wheel inline 1897 Victor hard tire safety, Monarch Super de Luxe
Schwinn Panther

Nothing British is shown or mentioned........

"Restoration is OK with Bike collectors, so restored bikes do well at auction. In fact, many collectors ride the bikes they buy and want them working well and looking good"

The article says the above and personally I disagree with the above statement.

The greatest finds are the ones where you can say "the bike is unmolested"

If it was not mentioning the Copake Auction in Upstate New York, Old Bikes would not even be mentioned in Kovels.

Copake is not to be missed so don't get me wrong.
by: 69.153.86.42

  Replies:
           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Kovels July 2009 issue posted by Chris on 7/9/2009 at 4:12:52 PM
Geting a bike that has been in the hands of somebody who took to restoring it has been a pain so often. Putting it right, straightening it out, re- doing stuff to get it original. I always prefer to find one that is original and has just been sleeping in the garage or attic where it was put away years ago.
by: 69.153.86.42

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Kovels July 2009 issue posted by Kevin on 7/9/2009 at 7:22:00 PM
Right on, Chris. Reminds me of a quote from Shakespeare: "Striving to better, oft we mar what's well."
by: 24.13.125.25




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh DL age? posted by: Hal on 7/8/2009 at 5:56:45 PM
I have a Raleigh believe it is a DL. No date code on rear hub. Has a rear drum brake, rod accuated, not cable. 3 speed Sturmey Archer, shift is on top tube, not a common 3 speed handle bar shift.
It has 28" wheels. Enclosed chain case, rod front brake.
Any idea of it's age?
by: 68.14.65.41

  Replies:
           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh DL age? posted by Chris on 7/8/2009 at 6:14:01 PM
We need some pictures of the bike, they made these for 100 years.
by: 69.153.86.42

           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh DL age? posted by Chris on 7/8/2009 at 6:45:05 PM
No date codes at all? 1940 in there, before that they had Codes on the rear hub like K4 which was a K series from 1934

rod brake actuated rear drum hubs are cool. I hear that the oil got into the brake linings and my pal has tons of bikes on hooks all lined up and he walks by them cavilierly and casually says he does not ride them because the oil gets in the brake linings and we walked into the more majestic and breath stealing parts of his collection where nothing, not even money and not even a lot of it will free a bike from his clutches and you just look and marvel. To pull that off,
He had some of the biggest and best connected and powerful people in this for his pickers and suppliers. Never married lives alone and quite fantastically rich and so there was nothing holding him back and he's still young too.
Voracious buyer! yee gods!


by: 69.153.86.42




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

AGE / VALUE:   Royal Lion Three speed identification posted by: Jon on 7/8/2009 at 1:40:11 PM
I'm re-posting this message as a new topic rather than a reply. Sorry for my ineptitude.

Hello, I am trying to obtain manufacturing or sales information (or confirmation)on my three speed bicycle, and any assistance is greatly appreciated. It is a "Royal Lion" "Made in England" "Bicycle for Boys". I acquired it from the original owner's estate. I believe it was purchased in 1955 at a LBS. It has a 21" frame; dimpled front fork like a Raleigh; Sturmey Archer 3 speed Hub dated "54"; a rollfast speedometer (0-50mph) / odometer (228.7 miles); A Sanyo siren and front and rear lights and Dynohub front hub. The serial number is on the left rear drop out and is "3C655". The saddle is made by Lycett and appears to be leather over horsehair. The rear rack is made by Ashby Presstube.
I'm curious as to which company made this bike and whether it was sold in a department store or LBS. Any information (or direction to where I might obtain information) you can provide would be appreciated. It looks remarkably similar to the 1954 Raleigh "Colt" on this website's photo gallery and is the same color.
Thank you in advance, Jon


by: 70.235.66.13

  Replies:
           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Royal Lion Three speed identification posted by Chris on 7/8/2009 at 6:24:24 PM
Pictures, please.
by: 69.153.86.42

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Royal Lion Three speed identification posted by Jon on 7/9/2009 at 2:27:38 PM
Chris, I tried to upload a picture to the Reader's Rides section by creating my own website. It said the upload was successful but did not give me a link I can get to. I get an HP505 error. I will try again later. Thank you


by: 70.235.69.177

           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Royal Lion Three speed identification posted by Chris on 7/9/2009 at 3:24:00 PM
Well, a stab in the dark would be perhaps it is made by Phillips?

I'm interested in seeing a few pictures of the bike when you can arrange it.
by: 69.153.86.42

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Royal Lion Three speed identification posted by Jon on 7/9/2009 at 3:37:38 PM
Chris, Apparently the website takes a few hours to load. Its under readers rides as Jon's Vintage Bikes but it says under construction. Hopefully the picture will be there tommorrow or eventually. Jon

David, The front fender attahces directly behind the axle. The rear fender attaches sightly above the rear dropout but runs behind the axle the same as the raleigh colt and raleigh tourist. It actually looks like the mens version of the raleigh colt under readers rides. Jon
by: 69.183.223.58

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Royal Lion Three speed identification posted by Jon on 7/11/2009 at 11:05:55 AM
Chris, Vin was able to upload the photo of this bike from an e-mail. Its under Reader's Rides "Jon's Vintage Bikes".
I think it is a Raleigh but it could be a Philips or Rudge. There is no other information on the bike that I have found. Jon
by: 71.161.231.171




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

AGE / VALUE:   Royal Lion Three speed identification posted by: Jon on 7/8/2009 at 1:05:35 PM
Hello, I am trying to obtain manufacturing or sales information (or confirmation)on my three speed bicycle, and any assistance is greatly appreciated. It is a "Royal Lion" "Made in England" "Bicycle for Boys". I acquired it from the original owner's estate. I believe it was purchased in 1955 at a LBS. It has a 21" frame; dimpled front fork like a Raleigh; Sturmey Archer 3 speed Hub dated "54"; a rollfast speedometer (0-50mph) / odometer (228.7 miles); A Sanyo siren and front and rear lights and Dynohub front hub. The serial number is on the left rear drop out and is "3C655". The saddle is made by Lycett and appears to be leather over horsehair. The rear rack is made by Ashby Presstube.
I'm curious as to which company made this bike and whether it was sold in a department store or LBS. Any information (or direction to where I might obtain information) you can provide would be appreciated. It looks remarkably similar to the 1954 Raleigh "Colt" on this website's photo gallery and is the same color.
Thank you in advance, Jon
by: 70.235.66.13

  Replies:
           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Royal Lion Three speed identification posted by David on 7/8/2009 at 3:34:40 PM
If the fender stays attach behind the rear axle, it's probably Raleigh-built. If they attach on the top of the dropout it's not. "Royal Lion" sounds like the kind of name that would be used for a store brand, but I have no idea what store that might be. If you know what city it was purchased in originally, you might ask about defunct department stores.
by: 216.15.114.27




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rod brake mild steel tubing posted by: Steve on 7/8/2009 at 9:23:07 AM
A few postings back, I mentioned that I was on the look out for a 12/13" extender brake rod for a low gravity tradebike (cycle truck).
I didn't realise at the time that the two machined parts (one either end of the rod) actually unscrew off (with a little heat treatment beforehand).

As I had one or two spare (but rough) standard size rods i.e. 3 to 6" in length, I've now got the two machined end parts.

The standard size rods appear to be 1/4" diameter, so I'm now trying to track down a length of 1/4" mild steel tube in order to cut a piece to size and thread the ends accordingly (would it be 26tpi) ?

This is where the fun starts, internet searches have taught me that China appear to have "a big say" where steel is concerned, other English suppliers show pictures of cranes lifting their mild steel tube products onto giant sized trucks for onward transportation to giant size installations....I only want a measly 13" x 1/4" length !

To be perfectly honest, other low gravity tradebikes appear to use 5/16" extender rods, but you have to bear in mind that I've only got 1/4" fittings, so 1/4" rod will have to suffice for now.

I think I'll try the local model shop or diesel injector pipe supplies outlet next....any suggestions gladly welcomed.

The next time I acquire a rare bike minus fittings, I'll ask the question....why !

Steve


by: 93.96.36.127

  Replies:
           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rod brake mild steel tubing posted by Kevin on 7/8/2009 at 12:46:38 PM
How about a section of a steel hydraulic brake line for a car? They come in many lengths and various diameters. They're cheap, if you can't find an old one in the trash can behind a garage.
by: 72.12.200.38

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rod brake mild steel tubing posted by Steve on 7/8/2009 at 2:06:07 PM
Thanks Kevin, I should have thought of that.
Steve
by: 93.96.36.127

           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rod brake mild steel tubing posted by Chris on 7/9/2009 at 1:42:19 PM
find another bike and as they say in the U.K., "Rob it for bits" this is how you acquire spare parts by finding a spare bike to use for parts and soon, if you do that over and over, you'll have a good stash of parts and frames and wheels. It's easier to just find another rod brake bike and the part will be original and you just swap it to the bike frame you want to use. Extravagant perhaps, but easier.


by: 69.153.86.42

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rod brake mild steel tubing posted by Steve on 7/9/2009 at 4:29:40 PM
Ordinarily, that's exactly what I would do, but guess what....certain types of bikes (with non-standard but genuine fittings) are actually starting to "dry up" !

I have my stash of spare parts for standard sized rod fittings (and the carcuses stacked up behind the garage as proof).

Strange things are happening here in the UK regarding prices achieved for that elusive rare part, I've never seen the particular part I'm looking for appear on any auction site or at any sale.

I've had one or two very good finds just lately....but this particular part keeps eluding me.

Steve




by: 93.96.36.127

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rod brake mild steel tubing posted by Matthew on 7/10/2009 at 10:47:59 AM
Hi Steve,

A grease gun extension might just be what you need.

Matthew - in a rush..................
by: 82.20.27.182

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rod brake mild steel tubing posted by Keith Body on 7/10/2009 at 11:49:20 AM
Hi Steve, I think the main difficulty is the thread cutting. If it was mine, (I am no collector) I would get a bit of stainless steel tubing and silver braze the ends on.
My 50 year old easyflow flux would still work.
Keith.
by: 92.22.223.72

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rod brake mild steel tubing posted by Steve on 7/10/2009 at 2:41:19 PM
Thanks gentlemen, I can see the logic in your suggestions, and I must admit I hadn't thought of any of them.

Funny thing happened today....'here we go again' !

I was test riding a 1948 single speed Ladies BSA the six miles to/from my accountants (hopefully to give him the impression that I'm poor and lifes a bitch, with the ultimate aim of not having to give a large percentage of my hard won earnings to the tax man), when I noticed a piece of extended rod type metal length of tube in the gutter of the road, I stopped excitedly, picked it up only to find that it was an inch to short and probably not quite sturdy enough, for a minute I thought Christmas had arrived early....but we all know what thought did !

Wipe the cobwebs off your flux Keith, I'll bring the tea and biscuits....oh, and the tube and ends !

Steve
by: 93.96.36.127

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rod brake mild steel tubing posted by sam on 7/10/2009 at 3:45:17 PM
Welding rods are also a good source for small rods.
Are you might try a gun dealer---the first BSA bicycles used cleaning /ram rods from their rifles.
by: 68.90.181.228

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rod brake mild steel tubing posted by Steve on 7/11/2009 at 2:11:54 AM
Thanks Sam, welding rods would probably work as the male part of the linkage, my problem is/was the female part i.e. the mild steel tube or might I say....stainless steel tube, that the welding rod would theoretically drop into and be secured at the adjustable top end !

Some nice ideas here folks, of which I'm most appreciative.

Steve

by: 93.96.36.127




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   HIgher prices? posted by: David on 7/6/2009 at 4:40:17 PM
It seems like the English roadsters offered on Boston Craig's List have asking prices at least twice as high as only a year ago. Anyone else noticing this phenomenon?
by: 216.15.114.27

  Replies:
           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   HIgher prices? posted by anton on 7/7/2009 at 11:13:43 AM
supply and demand economics? people are either realizing the tremendous utility of the english 3-speeds as reliable and comfortable city bikes, or this style of bike has simply come back into vogue. or some combination of both...
by: 8.7.228.252

           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   HIgher prices? posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/7/2009 at 4:50:37 PM
Hence... the introduction of the Electra Amsterdam. I wonder how well they are selling these days....?

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - They're just the BEST is all....
by: 4.154.218.195

           RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   HIgher prices? posted by Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles at OldRoads.com on 7/7/2009 at 5:36:01 PM
I've seen people buy a cycle in our shop in Cambridge, MA and post it a couple hours later on craigslist. I have no way of knowing if they are getting that bumped up price. I think they are not.
by: 71.184.108.192

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: HIgher prices? posted by Evan on 7/7/2009 at 8:52:39 PM
I know several guys tearing around on Raleigh's in Boston. I also know a Mexican guy who collects and restores them, really beautiful work... I'm 23 and my friends aren't much older but we all have a deep appreciation for what these bikes are. I wouldn't be surprised to see demand continue to rise.
by: 71.61.58.95

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   HIgher prices? posted by Kevin on 7/8/2009 at 3:55:51 AM
Demand is still light here in Indiana. I got two 1964 Humber Sports (one men's, one women's) Sunday at a flea market for a total of $50, and the guy was delighted to find a buyer.
by: 24.13.125.25

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   HIgher prices? posted by Geoff Rogers on 7/8/2009 at 9:58:08 AM
Yes, they have been "discovered." There are still bargains to be had, but nice three-speeds are selling for $150 plus for plainer ones, and a tricked-out roadster with all the fancy stuff sells for several hundred. This was not the case a fairly short while ago. The good part of all this is that more of these great old machines will be saved and not thrown in the metal pile.
Geoff Rogers
by: 216.153.152.113

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:���HIgher prices? posted by marcos on 7/8/2009 at 10:51:12 AM
here in salt lake city7, already not the most abundant place for these bikes, they seem to be gong up.....you see on craigslist lesser 3 speeds for which people are asking 150 etc...too much n my opinion for the bikes in question
by: 166.70.39.73

           RE: HIgher prices? posted by ken on 7/9/2009 at 8:58:10 AM
Chicago CL always has people asking ridiculous prices for ca. 1970 dreigangs, Schwinn Suburbans and the like. some of them deal continuously out their garages, so they may be finding some suckers, but there are usually similar bikes at the local resale at more reasonable (if not cheap) prices. IMO Craigslist tempts sellers to ask out of proportion, since they expect to be lowballed anyway.
by: 216.124.178.125

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   HIgher prices? posted by Jeff Bikeguy on 7/10/2009 at 5:46:42 AM
I've been noticing that prices for nice Superbes, Sports, and DL-1's have been creeping up lately at the various swap meets, Epay, and flea markets. Collectors are starting to pay attention to them and shops from big cities are scooping them up to sell to people for daily transportation.
If you think about it, you really can't buy something today that's like a plain Raleigh Sports or DL-1 without spending quite a bit of money.
by: 75.147.73.37

           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   HIgher prices? posted by Chris on 7/16/2009 at 6:31:53 PM
Slap! pow! yes.......he wants $500.00 (firm too!) for it. And to someone like me who found them for 100.00 and sold them for 1000.00 it makes me wince when he asks 500.00 but I love these and as I kneel beside it and look it over the bike calls to me.
Square fenders even......... I leaned down and studied the bike and with the evening sun setting and my date getting antsy it was getting time to go but, in talking another miracle happened even here, in Texas! he revealed the location and a name of a guy who and I quote "who has the parts still in the boxes"

There is still enought magic in the moonlight.
Sure, the bike is offered for what they go for, but the information gleaned from a discussion is another matter.

by: 69.153.86.42




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

AGE / VALUE:   Foremost with swin stick shift posted by: Phill on 7/5/2009 at 5:15:21 PM
Where can I find info on this bike: Formost made in England with a Scwin Stick Shift monted on the crossbar. Mens frame I think (not to savvy with bikes). Bought at a gharage sale several years ago for $20 because I thought the stick shift was cool.

Thanks

by: 99.239.94.85

  Replies:
           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Foremost with swin stick shift posted by David on 7/6/2009 at 4:39:46 PM
Foremost was J.C. Penny house brand. They imported Foremast-branded Raleighs for sale in their department stores and catalog. The Schwinn stick shift is probably a later addition. I'd guess 60s. What is the date on the Sturmey rear hub?
by: 216.15.114.27

           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Foremost with swin stick shift posted by Kevin on 7/8/2009 at 9:59:18 AM
The Schwinn Stik-Shift is worth some money ... probably more than the bicycle.
by: 72.12.200.38

           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Foremost with swin stick shift posted by Chris on 7/9/2009 at 3:45:39 PM
about $200.00 for the Schwinn stick shifter, yes, it gets pricy it's the prize of the whole bike alone, it's worth more than the whole bike!
by: 69.153.86.42




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

MISC:   Off Topic...... posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/5/2009 at 4:42:05 AM
OK... so it's another "British" thing... the sport of Table Tennis actually has it's origins in the UK and it is one of my other passions.....

Hence, last year, when after a 27 year hiatus from the sport, I found myself once again doing serious battle with the celluloid sphere and my custom mangnesium handled bat... it was grand... Still is....

Up until I was then hobbled by acute plantar fasciitis... so I end up hobbling around... sometimes with a cane, etc... but put that bat in my hand... and all hell breaks loose. Kinda like the guy that now resides on my forearem.

;-)

Later

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Still swinging it with a vengeance...


by: 4.154.217.244


  Replies:
           RE:MISC:   Off Topic...... posted by mark H on 7/6/2009 at 6:59:47 AM
that is a [cool] i hate using that word.tattoo.are you of the breed that once playing you cant watch unless eye strain or neck seizure happens.i did not know that was a english sport?game?well i will see if i have any pics of tattoos i have i have old tattoos havent got 1 for 20 plus years.neato boneman.


by: 66.183.159.180


           RE:RE:MISC:   Off Topic...... posted by Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles at OldRoads.com on 7/7/2009 at 4:54:49 AM
My left forearm
-Vin


by: 71.184.108.192


           RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Off Topic...... posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/7/2009 at 10:53:05 AM
Awesome stuff! Most awesome!

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Everything's a canvas.....
by: 4.154.222.60

           RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Off Topic...... posted by Warren on 7/7/2009 at 1:15:18 PM
Forearm????

That looks more like a calf. Remind me not to arm wrestle you for money.
by: 24.215.86.83

           RE:MISC: Off Topic...... posted by Evan on 7/7/2009 at 8:56:17 PM
I'm planning on the exploded diagram of the Sturmey AW down my arm...
by: 71.61.58.95

           RE:RE:MISC: Off Topic...... posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/8/2009 at 2:27:36 AM
Hmmm... sounds most interesting Evan....

Meanwhile... pondering Vin's fine work on his utterly impressive forearm (would that be from crackin' lobsters by hand maybe), what would be a neat play on words....?

An ARMSTRONG chainwheel.... :-)

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - no... not THAT Armstrong... the ORIGINAL one.....
by: 4.154.222.125

           RE:RE:RE:MISC: Off Topic...... posted by Chris on 7/8/2009 at 6:16:06 PM
Ah yes, Just pondering all the cool bike stuff that can fall into the imaginations and plans of various tatto artists........
by: 69.153.86.42




[X]  Report inappropriate messages
............................................................

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Huffy Sportsman posted by: Evan on 7/4/2009 at 7:52:06 PM
The guys at the local bike shop have perhaps destroyed my huffy sportsmen by forcing English cups into the Raleigh shell. The threads are pretty damaged. I want to make them buy me Phil wood cups and a cartridge bottom bracket cause I paid them $150 in labor to install everything after telling them specifically that English cups will not work in that frame. Do you think the correct cups will go in at all now that my shell is stripped? Does anyone have a pre-1975 Raleigh frame they want to sell me?
by: 71.61.58.95

  Replies:
           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Huffy Sportsman posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/5/2009 at 4:55:16 AM
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!

I'm not sure as to the particulars of how they could make that work.... hopefully someone here will have better information.

This is downright tragic, to say the least. The LBS is hopefully bending over backwards to put this right????

Pre-75 Raleigh frame... i.e., another "Sportsman"? I presume a Mens' frame and what size????? I don't have a Sportsman but I've a few Sports kicking around....

Everyone need pay attention.... this is the sort of thing we need be ever-vigilant about. Always ensure that the shop you're dealing with knows our machines. Preferably, there will be an olde Grizzled person... hanging in the wings...

You know him... he has that semi-far away look... the other denizens of the shop regard him as a fossil... and anachronism.... a curiosity...

He's the man you want... The guy that speaks "Sturmey-Archer".... or "Lentonese" or "Humberish" or "Phillipsian" and such.

If a tech gives you a vacuous stare at the mere mention of "Rod Brakes"... move on!

Sincerely hope Evan that things are properly put to right.

As they might say in the UK "Keep your pecker up!"... no not THAT one....!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Afflicted empathically with angst....
by: 4.154.217.244

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Huffy Sportsman posted by Warren on 7/5/2009 at 7:04:24 AM
I don't think your frame can be saved, certainly not by these clowns. I would try to get compensation any way possible (another frame or bike, Raleigh pattern or not) and keep your eyes peeled for another Raleigh/Huffy to hang your good parts on.

The Phil BB forces you to change the crank, requires a specialized tool for removal and turns the bike into something else. Don't bother, the threads are damaged no matter what you try to install. Even if these guys had a 26 tpi BB tap, who wants to trust their work?
by: 24.215.86.83

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Huffy Sportsman posted by Evan on 7/6/2009 at 2:04:19 PM
TO Larry and Warren,

I'm not too worried about keeping the bike original. It's far beyond that. I was thinking Phil wood to get rid of the cotter pins... I'm going there today to try and get what I can back for it.

The frame is a 72 ish Huffy Sportsman, 55cm I think. I have the SA 28 hole hub laced to velocity deep v track rims. It's a real fun street bike with the greatest hub ever designed on the most comfy frame geometry. Alum. fenders and I kept the North Road bars. She's my baby...
by: 71.61.58.95

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Huffy Sportsman posted by David on 7/6/2009 at 4:36:47 PM
Try a YST threadless bottom bracket. biketoolsetc.com has them. Tell everyone the name of your incompetent LBS; they have earned the right to free publicity. What a bunch of morons.
by: 216.15.114.27

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Huffy Sportsman posted by Evan on 7/7/2009 at 8:49:02 PM
Thanks David for the suggestion, that was just what I needed. The LBS guys are very well know around town and I will say do a great job on new bikes... they even weld custom frames and powdercoating. They must also have unbridled pride in their work and refused to admit that the stripped shell had anything to do with them. They offered to do anything to help fix it but only on my tab. I have great admiration for those who can admit their mistakes and I won't be going back to this shop...

I got my frame on this forum and it's been a lot of help while building this bike. Thanks. I'll post a photo later...

by: 71.61.58.95

           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Huffy Sportsman posted by ken on 7/9/2009 at 9:03:31 AM
I think we're entitled to know what town these 'experts' are in...
by: 216.124.178.125

           RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Huffy Sportsman posted by Chris on 7/9/2009 at 4:17:16 PM
they forced the cups in. They likely didn't have the original Raleigh cups and hoped they could get away with the English cups. The mechanic is not up on his or her history of these. There are a lot of "Huffy Sprtsman" bike fans out there, folks who love their bike and get rather upset when their bike gets wronged.
by: 69.153.86.42

           RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Huffy Sportsman posted by Chris on 7/9/2009 at 4:18:24 PM
Not on yout tab but theirs. get the bike and flee the shop!
by: 69.153.86.42

           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Huffy Sportsman posted by Matthew on 7/10/2009 at 2:16:47 PM
For reference following Larry's comment;

http://septicscompanion.com/word.php?w=pecker

Pecker: n p****. A common misconception is that, to Brits, this means “chin” - hence the phrase “keep your pecker up.” Sorry folks, but in the U.K. “pecker” means exactly the same thing as it does in the U.S. The phrase “keep your pecker up” is probably derived from a time when a “pecker” was simply a reference to a bird’s beak and encouraged keeping your head held high. I understand that the word became a euphemism for “p****” after the poet Catullus used it to refer to his love Lesbia’s pet sparrow in a rather suggestive poem which drew some fairly blatant parallels.

No offence intended to anyone.

Matthew - useyfol trypewritely and no more snarlyup wordings.
by: 82.20.27.182

...>>>>>>>> MORE MESSAGES >>>>>>>>



HOME (OldRoads.com) Discussion Areas Literature and Price Guide Cleaning Kit Glossary
Stat and Feature Database Picture Database Serial Number Charts General Resources