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AGE / VALUE:   It's not worth that much!! it just ain't!! They are crazy!! posted by: Chris on 4/9/2009 at 5:09:41 PM
E- bay item # 270368509966 Vintage extremely rare 1953 Humber
The bidding is up to $600.00 with 11 bids and it's not ended yet.
This is not worth this much. It just is not. This is a common, 26 inch wheel with cable brakes, 22 inch common black mens 22 inch frame. Not the famous blue they were known for. The seat is a B- grade saddle as Terry's always were. I hate to say it and I love Terry's products but still,it is not a leather Brooks. The paint is not that too specatacular either. It's not old enough, it is a Raleigh version. Need to go back further in time back before 1932 this is a POST WAR BIKE!!! 1953?

"Where is the ladies frame bike that goes with it?" You ask the seller if they were married and where is her bike? oh well, they were not thinking of selling that, but "Well, ok if you want it!" and usually they will sell that one as well sometimes it's the same model or something else of the same era and that would be worth getting as well. The wifes, bike, the mans bike, the partners bike, whatever...

Not worth more than $250.00
Humber (actually Raleigh) made marvelous bikes they had marvelous colors, the Royal Elf was kitted out with dynohubs and leather Brooks seats. The ladies bikes were stunning!
This is a common colored black mens version.
For this type of coin, you are better off into the 28 inch wheel rod brake stuff, and you are always better off finding a blue one.
Or a lightweight Humber version of the famous Raleigh Record Ace with the 27 inch wheels and 531 frame with all the goodies. Now then, it's ok.
Oh well, I love these magical bikes and it is intersting to see this happen but $600.00 plus is nutty.

These bidders don't know and understand Humber bikes and they don't know how to play the field and find these.
You want the bike that they are determined to not sell.
You find a way, to pry the real prize away from them and then it's ok, to part with 600 dollars, but still, only if you have to. You want the lightweight touring 531 frames, you want the blue color, you want it in better shape, you want goodies like bags and tools and catalogs and extras. No experienced bike collector or old bike fan will do this.

You lay that $600.00 down on the glass showcase and they open every parts drawer in the place and you box it up, you box it all up, and starting with the Campagnolo drawer first and then down into the basement where you find these for 50.00 ok..... 75.00!
You turn that 600.00 into much more and then you find yourself something really special bikewise. Are we done yet? ok! Oysters on the half shell and very nice meal in town after you have changed your shirt and washed up then you stroll in to dinner with it all locked up in the car or truck.
Toast yourself because you just successfully stripped Canada of her vintage bicyle parts... again!!

I had folks school me in this, I ran everything by them pricewise, and I was taught and made mistakes but 600 for this?? No!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   It's not worth that much!! it just ain't!! They are crazy!! posted by Chris on 4/9/2009 at 5:59:55 PM
The exchange rate was helpful too!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   It's not worth that much!! it just ain't!! They are crazy!! posted by Kevin on 4/9/2009 at 6:01:18 PM
Chris -- Both the buyer and the seller will be happy. Enough said.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   It's not worth that much!! it just ain't!! They are crazy!! posted by Chris on 4/9/2009 at 6:07:00 PM
I know, I know. but geez, 600 plus should buy and can buy! a lot more happiness than this.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   It's not worth that much!! it just ain't!! They are crazy!! posted by mark H on 4/9/2009 at 7:09:46 PM
ya my 33 hercules just went up 70 percent if thats the way its goin?maybe there is a different set of collectors who want to pay that much.cuz if they do then this bike after a tuneup and cleaning will be worth 900.i would pay 75-125 for this bike.maybe the queen sat on it and drove it to have a beer and theres picture.haha btw it has rod brakes.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   It's not worth that much!! it just ain't!! They are crazy!! posted by Stephen on 4/9/2009 at 7:36:33 PM

Anyone else wonder why this bicycle needs both a Dynohub and a bottle generator on the rear wheel?

Are all these bids actually real?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   It's not worth that much!! it just ain't!! They are crazy!! posted by George on 4/9/2009 at 9:23:28 PM
If anyone has been looking at the bidding trends of both the first time it was posted and this one, there seems to be some obvious "shill bidding".


George
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   It's not worth that much!! it just ain't!! They are crazy!! posted by Steve on 4/10/2009 at 2:01:36 AM
Well, compared to the usual strays I "take in", this cute old dog would only need a quick visit to the vets to get him rolling again !

Strange things happen, some people leave all their money to animal sancturies, some people just fancy something at that moment in time and will pay whatever is required and some people play "clever" games on auction sites.....

A person once told my dad that he owned a fantastic football programmes collection that was worth an absolute fortune, my dad replied that it was only worth a fortune if anyone else was interested in it !

Our cat had a fight with a fox last week, the fox owes me £60.00 in vets fees !

Steve - is there such a thing as an old K9 ?



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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   It's not worth that much!! it just ain't!! They are crazy!! posted by David on 4/10/2009 at 4:57:37 AM
All this bidding days before the auction end is sure suspicious. It seems that all this seller has done before is sell dozens of "Tiki" mugs. It's hard to imagine the reason for bidding at this level at this point in the auction - if it's not shill bidding.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   It's not worth that much!! it just ain't!! They are crazy!! posted by Thom J. on 4/10/2009 at 8:02:53 AM
Value, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. I can't see it in this case but I guess the others can. TJ.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   It's not worth that much!! it just ain't!! They are crazy!! posted by brooks on 4/10/2009 at 9:06:18 AM
I bid on this Humber twice - now and the first time it was listed about a month ago on Ebay. For reasons unknown, it was relisted. I think the bidding is high because purportedly the proceeds are being donated to an animal shelter - which is a great cause. Still...there is nothing like picking up one of these old gals and bringing them back to life.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   It's not worth that much!! it just ain't!! They are crazy!! posted by George on 4/10/2009 at 10:48:02 AM
Hmmm? I wonder if I sell one of my pre-war roadsters on ebay and mention that proceeds were going towards an animal NPO... (hope no one hears me)!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   It's not worth that much!! it just ain't!! They are crazy!! posted by Geoff Rogers on 4/12/2009 at 7:02:31 PM
Whooa! I see what you mean, Chris. Cool old bike, but $600 does seem like new, uncharted territory. The gearcase is nice, cool taillamp, mostly original (not the grips, of course, and the shifter is early 60s), but overbid at the moment, I think. I am just finishing up a '55 Raleigh Sports Tourist, very similar machine but with rare 4-speed Dyno-Four rear hub, stainless rims, NOS Brooks leather saddle, new black lacquer and decals, R-I pump, saddlebag, tool, etc., and I was thinking it might be worth $600. It had better be, after all the time and money I have put into it! Anyhow, maybe my estimate is low if this Humber bidding is real. I also have a couple more Raleigh roadsters from the fifties, in similar shape to the Humber in question, that I would part with for quite a bit less than $600! Wow.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   It's not worth that much!! it just ain't!! They are crazy!! posted by sciencemonster on 4/12/2009 at 8:54:43 PM
Rod brakes on a 26" bike, in the States, isn't all that common. That said, that bike is in crappy shape. It's banged up, the paint is shot, and the rims are rusty.

The bidders are nuts.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Inverted brake levers posted by: George on 4/6/2009 at 3:43:11 PM
Does anybody own a roadster with inverted brake levers? I really have not seen how the rear brake is set up. I know both brakes go through the bars, the front exiting a little hole at the base of the bars, and the rear? Does it go through the down tube or what?

George


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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Inverted brake levers posted by sam on 4/6/2009 at 8:07:43 PM
all inverted levers I've seen(modern ones),the cable does not go through the bars but just under them.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Double top and down tubes... rod brakes... SCHOOL BUS posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 4/6/2009 at 8:33:01 AM
OK... so I found it on failblog... still... the darndest thing I've seen pursuant to rod brakes!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - How could you NOT pass this bus?!?!?!?


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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Double top and down tubes... rod brakes... SCHOOL BUS posted by George on 4/6/2009 at 1:53:47 PM
... and here's a rear shot of that magic school bus.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/justinadams/526155168/

You can't forget these notables:

the balloonist
http://www.flickr.com/photos/susanica/586139351/

container man
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cesar_ramos/467481138/

and my personal favorite, the man cave
http://www.flickr.com/photos/meckleychina/2050239366/
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Double top and down tubes... rod brakes... SCHOOL BUS posted by Kevin on 4/7/2009 at 3:26:10 AM
Wow! Amazing! I just hope they don't have to descend any steep hills in the rain.
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MISC:   BSA Bike posted by: Mark on 4/4/2009 at 9:26:29 AM
I have an old rusty BSA I want to restore.Is it worth it? I can't find any info on this model.It has a 3 speed internal hub ,rides weell but needs TLC. Please any body,help w/ any info
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           RE:MISC:   BSA Bike posted by Kevin on 4/4/2009 at 11:14:33 AM
You say it rides well. If the paint is original, leave it alone. You may need to replace tubes, tires, brake blocks and cables. They don't cost much. You may never own a better bicycle.
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           RE:RE:MISC:   BSA Bike posted by Chris on 4/9/2009 at 6:03:27 PM
Pictures, please. Mens or ladies, cable or rod brake perhaps it's a racing model? I'd love to see what you found. I'd love to be able to comment on the bike you are referring to.
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AGE / VALUE:   Watch the end. posted by: George on 4/2/2009 at 10:58:09 AM
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=6363193
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Watch the end. posted by Warren on 4/2/2009 at 6:50:26 PM
The solid rubber tire "delaminated" from the rim...ouch
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Watch the end. posted by Matthew on 4/3/2009 at 9:42:06 AM
Not technically 'coming a cropper' but certainly a very unpleasant spill.

Descending a hill on an ordinary requires a great deal of skill and as the video demonstrates, the fee off stance may not be the best idea. I hope the other ordinary rider was able to stop and offer some assistance.

Matthew - low wheeler.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Watch the end. posted by mark H on 4/3/2009 at 8:32:34 PM
that was a brutal wipeout!ouch.thats a long way to hit the ground foot first yikes.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Watch the end. posted by George on 4/4/2009 at 12:16:01 AM
Hey fellas, this has nothing to do with the video... I was wondering the internet and found this brazilian site with tons of interesting stuff.

http://www.bicicletasantigas.com.br/

I'm sure someone here has seen this site, but once your in, click on "galeria" to the left and check out how detailed this guy is on his bikes. If you click "museo virtual" he has tons of NOS. Its amazing!
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Watch the end. posted by Warren on 4/4/2009 at 5:03:14 AM
That site belongs to Marcelo...he's participates on Oldroads from time to time. He has a wonderful collection of roadsters that many of us never get to see.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Watch the end. posted by mark H on 4/4/2009 at 10:27:40 AM
wow that is a great site,what nice nos stuff there.drool....
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   caliper cables posted by: mark on 4/1/2009 at 9:38:32 AM
Hi--English Brake housing cable: i have looked in the archives here but still not sure if i will need to look for NOS ribbed cable housing for pre-Raleigh Phillips caliper brakes and/or for 58 Raleigh Sports? (i have a Phillips and a Raleigh)
....or can one make do with modern materials if exact authenticity is not required? thanks
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   caliper cables posted by Keith Body on 4/17/2009 at 1:12:30 PM
Hi Mark, I should have seen this before. The brake cable outer on your Phillips and Raleigh would not have been ribbed. We used the cheap bulk ribbed outer in various colours to build special bikes. I think the Phillips cable has an eye-bolt clamp, which makes it easy. Also not difficult to solder both ends for the Raleigh.
The original outer had a woven textile under the top "plastic" covering. Retain the brass cups and ferrules off the old cable.
Keith
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Seat tube decal fro 50s Grubb posted by: Dan on 4/1/2009 at 8:27:37 AM
I was wondering if anyone had any idea of the set decal best suited for the down tube of a 1950's Freddie Grubb (Holdsworth era) track / path frame.

The head tube badge is the man on bike (as opposed to the crossed flags), but I am unable to find a picture of the appropriate seat tube equivalent.

Thanks
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Seat tube decal fro 50s Grubb posted by Matthew on 4/1/2009 at 11:10:49 AM
Try the Vintage Lightweights discussion board.

Matthew - its in the detail.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   S/A Cogset. posted by: Thom J. on 3/31/2009 at 10:42:01 AM
It's a little slow this morning at work so I started thinking (that's the smoke you smell)about the old Sturmey-Archer multi-gear cogsets. I know they're obsolete but was wondering if anyone tried welding two single cogs together and fit them onto the hub shell? My thoughts are that two cogs of 3/32" thickness may just fit if one or both of the flat ring spacers were eliminated. A NOS Simplex or similar rear derailer with cable and friction shifer would be fairly simple to integrate. It may just work and look O.K. on the Raleigh Trent Sports. Any thoughts on this? Thx again, Thom.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   S/A Cogset. posted by Robert on 4/1/2009 at 5:13:26 AM
Morning Thom,

A couple of months ago I set up my Peugeot mtb / roadster in just the way you describe. 19 & 22 tooth cogs with a friction shifter . In my fiddling it was necessary to use a thin bottom bracket spacer instead of the S/A ring on the outside of the cogs next to the spring clip. If I did not use the washer, because of sideloading on the cog when shifting, it would push the clip out of the groove. May not have had clip seated properly, but the thin washer correctd the problem for me. Setup works very well now.

Robert
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   S/A Cogset. posted by Robert on 4/1/2009 at 5:16:29 AM

Check here forth row from the top on the right side. Couple of pics of someones setup.

http://www.adventurecorps.com/chronicles/2006/2006pepin1/index.html
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   S/A Cogset. posted by Thom J. on 4/1/2009 at 12:11:00 PM
Thanks guys. That's pretty much what I was thinking about. Think I'll start browsing around for the parts.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: S/A Cogset. posted by Al on 4/1/2009 at 11:40:45 PM
Those adventurecorps bicycles look great. Some serious tinkering to make them fit. For instance, anyone know what kind of stem is on the Lenton Sports (the green one with the double cog set)?

Looks like a gooseneck. But the top of the stem looks like a classic Raleigh stem.

I'd like one of those to get my handlebars higher. Perhaps the handlebar clamp size is different. No matter.


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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: S/A Cogset. posted by Robert on 4/2/2009 at 5:28:57 AM
It looks like an aftermarket one I bought. Pyramid brand tall touring. You will need 22.2 dia. for typical applications. They do make a smaller dia. for Schwinn cruisers. Hopefully this link will work. http://www.bikepartsusa.com/bikeparts/item/01-134157/stem/Pyramid%2D%2DSteel%2DTouring%2DStem%2D10in%2Dx%2D22%2E2mm&category=stem
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   S/A Cogset. posted by Mark Stonich on 4/4/2009 at 11:13:14 AM
That stem on the Lenton is definitely not the Pyramid one. I took several detail photos of it on the 3 Speed Tour as I may try to clone it. Nothing wrong with the Pyramid stem, I have one on my 1950 Norman. but it is cheap and crude looking
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AGE / VALUE:   HELP PLEASE posted by: Gerry Starck on 3/30/2009 at 4:53:20 AM
I have a bicycle that is missing head badge, the paint is coming off ...(unadentafileable) to me. the only info i have is .. 1.the brake reads "Morrow".
2.it has a huge skip tooth system (drive)
3.two difrent tires on it firestone and the other has a pic of an indian head / with lightning bolts.
4.hub reads eclips 10 36.
5.frame is "motobike" style with numbers that read ether 41648, 4I648,or 47648 on the crank case.
So-far my reacharching has lead me to indian bicycle, rollfast



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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   HELP PLEASE posted by Warren on 3/30/2009 at 5:31:35 AM
Try Balloon tires and Middleweights discussion board.
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AGE / VALUE:   Super rare bike available in London posted by: Kevin on 3/28/2009 at 6:53:17 PM
It's not an English Roadster, but when would you ever find another one?
http://london.craigslist.co.uk/bik/1081721068.html
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Super rare bike available in London posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 3/29/2009 at 5:48:50 AM
Amazing... I think you would be very hard pressed to find one for sale here in the Colonies.... never mind in the U.K.

If ever there was one that I wish could talk... I bet that one would have one he|| of a tale to tell.

Thanks for posting it up!

Cheers

Larry "Boneman" Bone - In Spaceland... just perusing it....
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Super rare bike available in London posted by JDuck on 3/30/2009 at 7:52:18 AM
If I got the picture thing right, this info is from a 2000 Sotheby's auction in chicago. I believe it is from the Schwinn collection.


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Super rare bike available in London posted by David on 3/30/2009 at 12:34:42 PM
They're out there. I've seen a couple at swap meets. I have no idea why anyone ever bought one originally!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Super rare bike available in London posted by Kevin on 3/31/2009 at 2:28:53 AM
... for the same reason that Joe DiMaggio married Marilyn Monroe, I suspect.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Super rare bike available in London posted by Jeff Bikeguy on 4/9/2009 at 4:47:40 AM
Someone made some decent repops of these bikes back in the early 90's.
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MISC:   Hey Larry: Indian Roadsters posted by: JS on 3/27/2009 at 5:29:50 PM
Larry-

I just posted the complete list of Indian Roadsters that I came photographed while there. It's a visual list. Thought you and others might be interested. It's quite extensive. No Abley though.

-JS

http://www.flyingpigeonproject.org
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           RE:MISC:   Hey Larry: Indian Roadsters posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 3/27/2009 at 7:31:38 PM
LOL... what is it with that Abley.... I don't think Abley exists... aside from perhaps being a "Sticker" manufacturer.

Interestingly enough, they have an Abley for sale at Menotomy. To be honest, I was pretty much convinced it was of Indian manufacture... but at this juncture... I'm not sure. I'll have to closely examine it to see if there are any clues.

Meanwhile, I'll have to check your list when I return to work on Monday. Love your blog over there... however, it's much more enjoyable on the broadband at work.

Here in the whisker droolin' woods on Northeast Pennsylvania.... dialup is what I'm limited to.

Hey... at least I don't have to use the tin cup and strings to call anyone anymore!

;-)

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Abley... sounds more like an adjective then a bike manufacturer...
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           RE:MISC:   Hey Larry: Indian Roadsters posted by Larry Fisher on 3/29/2009 at 5:12:59 PM
Hi guys. I bought the Abley from Menotomy last weekend. It is somewhat of an oddball but that's usually what I look for. A couple of interesting items to note - it has the original pump with a fitting for a Woods valve. I thought it was for a Presta type but this fact combined with the hole size in the rim leads me to believe it was originally equipped with Woods type valves.

The bike also came with a wheel lock fitted to the frame - this is one of those circular locks made of pressed steel that when in the locked position has a curved bolt that passes between the spokes.

I too, thought the bike was Indian made, however I have not found any label or stamping that would indicate same. The plated parts are all in good condition and the labelling is applied decals. The pinstriping is hand done though, so again my inclination is that it is made in India.

The bike has cottered cranks and a few details lead one to believe it to be inspired by Raleigh.

Well I'll stay tuned to see if any of you experts can enlighten me.

Cheers,

Larry Fisher
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           RE:MISC:   Hey Larry: Indian Roadsters posted by ronp6 on 3/29/2009 at 9:49:27 PM
I saw those locks at Velo Orange for $25. They would be good enough for a lunch stop but wouldn't help in Boston.
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Hey Larry: Indian Roadsters posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 3/31/2009 at 2:34:24 AM
My Abley came with such a lock... the tyres were fitted with woods valves... the original tyres... anything but round for certain. Rear axle mounted kickstand... interesting "Miller" lighting system... It's obviously a "DL-1" for certain....

Let me know if you need any spares... I completely removed the Rod Brake system as I'm converting it into a "Path Racer" inspired by the venerable Pashley Guv'nor. I will be doing away with the original wheels as well... and have the rear mudguard... original "cast iron" parcel rack too.

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - one man's detritus.... ;-)
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           RE:MISC:   Hey Larry: Indian Roadsters posted by Thom J. on 4/2/2009 at 3:15:36 PM
Larry- I'd be interested in the rear rack if you haven't dispossed of it already. Thx, Thom J.
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           RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Hey Larry: Indian Roadsters posted by Larry Fisher on 4/5/2009 at 7:46:00 PM
Larry,

I'd be interested in the spares and the kickstand. I really dig that Pashley Gov' nor look. I'm planning a boardtrack racer type bike next. My last project was a triplet stingray custom.

Thanks,

Larry
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AGE / VALUE:   Hercules internal hub posted by: nick on 3/27/2009 at 9:24:52 AM
looking for information about the Hercules A-type 9 internal hub. I have not seen this particular model referenced in the discussions thanks, nick
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AGE / VALUE:   Archer posted by: Mal Tyson on 3/25/2009 at 2:15:52 PM
Hi....I have a 28 inch Archer bicycle made c 1910, can anyone tell me a little about it please.
Many thanks,
Mal
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Archer posted by Kev. on 3/25/2009 at 4:42:02 PM
Is that the one that was sold not too long ago on cheesebay?
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Archer posted by Chris on 3/26/2009 at 7:47:43 AM
Even after having sold my soul to old British bicycles, haunting shops, and the internet, reading books and everything else even I need a picture of the bike. Please.

Post pictures here of the bike! a better description of the bike what color? mens or ladies frame? cable or rod brakes? e.t.c.

a lot of bikes were made there was a bicycle boom in the late 1800's!
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Archer posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 3/28/2009 at 5:05:44 AM
Dunno why... but the Marque for some reason sounds nebulously familiar...

Meanwhile, what Chris sez.... and whilst a picture is worth a thousand words... the words often download faster... but... pursuant to interpretation can cause a bit of obfuscation....

Uhhh... or something....

Sounds like an interesting machine nonetheless...

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - thinking of Archers on Archers.....
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Archer posted by Mal Tyson on 3/30/2009 at 2:02:11 PM
Still working on getting a picture, what may help is the headset badge has "British Archer Bicycle" on it, underneath the bottom bracket has a drain plug, the top stay is the same profile as the chain stay held together with a threaded bolt and a 'C nut', the length from front axle to rear axle is just on 48 inches, and the serial number on the seat post is 43069. Have been told it may have been made by Raleigh and badged "Archer" for the overseas market. Sturmy Archer is / was a division of Raleigh.
Mal
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AGE / VALUE:   Look familiar? posted by: Ken on 3/24/2009 at 11:18:23 AM
I was looking over a balloon society page and came across this chrome Sturmey Archer top tube.

http://api.ning.com/files/mvF*0B1HTEH975qrmPiUwz68V-aGxh3V5JuIChfZvl0EoD-2FQkMMK3Sf7GmsK94mVM26EpWljxXhGPP*1BRPRPnGdloSPtb/bs11.jpg

Is this a chrome job or did any of these come out of the factory like this?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Look familiar? posted by Chris on 3/24/2009 at 6:46:48 PM
A very poorly done chrome replate but there was a special sturmey Archer top tube trigger face plate that was done for a American balloon tire bike company that used the Sturmey- Archer hub. The name of the balloon tire bike company escapes me right now but the trigger in the picture is a nasty looking re-plate.
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AGE / VALUE:   bolts/screws for '73 raleigh Tourist posted by: Tim Delehanty on 3/22/2009 at 12:17:08 PM
I am restoring my father's bike. I would like to know the size of the bolts/screws that attach the rear frame,there is an exisitng thread, but i cannot find size. Also, any where to find brake pads? harris Cyclery is out. Thank you very much.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   bolts/screws for '73 raleigh Tourist posted by Mark Stonich on 3/22/2009 at 6:34:32 PM
I have the brake pads, both Original Raleigh Taiwanese and aftermarket. Contact me off-forum at mark@bikesmithdesign.com.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   bolts/screws for '73 raleigh Tourist posted by Matthew on 3/23/2009 at 2:18:58 AM
Hi Tim,

There has been much discussion on this board about threads; try a search using the site search.

Most threads on British bicycles are BSCT British Standard Cycle Thread. You are unlikely to stumble across any nuts bolts or set screws that size at your local bike shop or hardware shop.

Matthew - lets twist again.....
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   bolts/screws for '73 raleigh Tourist posted by Chris on 3/23/2009 at 7:38:11 AM
bolts will have to be original Raleigh or else you'll strip it.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   bolts/screws for '73 raleigh Tourist posted by Stephen Hogben on 3/24/2009 at 3:54:48 PM
Bolt threads what a nightmare! Back in 1974 I was an apprentice at W.E Sykes a company that made precision gear and bolt making machines,the threads were ground on a grinding machine (obviously)the grinding wheels had the shape of the thread the T.P.I.etc formed onto the grinding wheel by running the wheel very,very slowly approx 50 r.p.m. and a former (a metal cylinder) with the thread profile,was pressed slowly against the wheel until the wheel had the thread pattern on it.The grinding wheel was then set at the correct angle and a few Thou at a time the thread was ground on to the bolt etc.It was a long time ago but I seem to remember the English threads had a thread where at 55 degees and the metric where 60.There was B.S.B. (bike ) B.S,P. (pipe} Whitworth, B.S.F (Fine} B.S.C, then U.N.C and U.N.F. and thhen along came Metric coarse and fine.I have probably missed loads of threads out that you all know about! Any way back to bikes,I went down the New Haw club today and the daughter,who has ridden mountain bikes for years asked me what it was like to ride an old bike.Have a go I said (Approx 1945 Hercules ladies bike)Wow she said that is so easy to peddle,those Mountain Bikes have handler bars so far forward it hurts your back"! Any way I will stop boring you to death now.Good bye.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   bolts/screws for '73 raleigh Tourist posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 3/25/2009 at 2:07:26 AM
Back in the late 70's... I had procured my first motorcycle. A 1950 AJS 500 (twin).....

Methinks the ONLY threads on that machine that were not Whitworth... were the spark plugs.

So... loads of fun finding THAT stuff back then!!!! Any parts for that machine were nearly impossible to find. In fact, I daresay what with the internet and all, it would be MUCH easier NOW!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - N.V.T...... Boy I do miss that machine....
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   bolts/screws for '73 raleigh Tourist posted by Chris on 3/25/2009 at 7:54:58 AM
these bolts were the same for like 80 years and were found on everything raleigh made find an old junk bike and as they say in the U.K. "rob it for bits"
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   bolts/screws for '73 raleigh Tourist posted by greg on 3/25/2009 at 12:23:55 PM
yes the doner bike. Got a woman's Sport for bits for a Super Course but it was too far gone & ended up as the doner & the Sport hooking me on these things
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   bolts/screws for '73 raleigh Tourist posted by Chris on 3/26/2009 at 7:50:21 AM
I love it! Keep us posted.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   bolts/screws for '73 raleigh Tourist posted by Kevin on 3/27/2009 at 12:03:25 PM
Donor bikes are dangerous. I bought two women's Humbers to steal parts from, but in the end I couldn't bear to cannibalize them. So there they sit, with full chaincases, nice fenders, good rims, Dynohubs, headlights, etc. When they go, they will likely be sold intact.
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