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MISC:   Ebay absurdity posted by: David on 2/20/2009 at 4:33:02 PM
See item 270345221289 TWO, count 'em, TWO bent and rusty spokes for sale...
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           RE:MISC:   Ebay absurdity posted by Kevin on 2/21/2009 at 3:16:31 AM
WOW! If he parts the whole bike out, it should bring at least $30,000.
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Ebay absurdity posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 2/22/2009 at 7:01:56 AM
THAT... is just silly....

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Spokes is JOKES?
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           RE:MISC:   Ebay absurdity posted by David on 2/23/2009 at 3:47:25 PM
Update: the spokes sold for $5 total with shipping. I'm thinking I should email the buyer and tell him I can supply the other 30!
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AGE / VALUE:   seatpost posted by: David Poston on 2/18/2009 at 8:26:59 PM
What do you guys think of going with an alloy post to save weight?

http://cgi.ebay.com/SEATPOST-26-0mm-10-long-Alloy-Silver-eb67_W0QQitemZ330235008064QQihZ014QQcategoryZ106951QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1713.m153.l1262

Does the seat clamp area look alright?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   seatpost posted by Matthew on 2/19/2009 at 11:19:30 AM
Bear in mind the chemical reaction between aluminium and steel. You may end up never able to physically remove the seat post purely due to electrolitic action.

Matthew - its all rather scientific.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   seatpost posted by sam on 2/19/2009 at 7:43:51 PM
I'm all for it---I used one just like it on the Fothergill till I got a correct 50s domed post (the 50s post was also alum)
Might be good to use a bit of lite grease to keep it from sticking.Many 531 steel frames do have alum post.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   seatpost posted by Stephen on 2/19/2009 at 11:09:48 PM
I haven't had any problems using an alloy post with my 1953 Sports, and the seat clamp area looks the same. I did use a little grease before inserting the post.

I got the alloy post because I wanted a longer post and it was in stock locally. I haven't noticed a weight difference, but I think the post will work fine if you want to try it.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   seatpost posted by Chris on 2/20/2009 at 8:43:21 AM
Alloy seat posts are great, the 531 club bikes that took the 26 x 1 3/8 wheels all had them.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   seatpost posted by Steve on 2/20/2009 at 8:59:31 AM
Greasing the post should take care of potential corrosion problems. However, since the post is dead (nonrotating) weight, it doesn't have all that much effect on performance. When I was building a club-type bike on a Super Course frame, I was unconcerned that the seat post that fit was steel.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   seatpost posted by Geoff on 2/20/2009 at 11:16:06 AM
Anything on an old English bicycle will corrode or perish if you give it enough moisture. Converserly, if you keep the thing dry and take care of it when something does need attention, it will last very nearly forever! Many Rudges in the 1950s had alloy seat posts, as well as alloy-shelled AW hubs; I have had several like this. There did not appear to be any problems with corrosion. So a little grease on the post before you install it, and keep the bike out of the rain and damp cellars, and it will serve you well.
Geoff
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   seatpost posted by Dale on 2/20/2009 at 12:48:26 PM
I went alloy because that's what was available in extra long. Silicone grease (such as electronic heat sink grease) is best, but any grease will work ok. Give it a twist every ten years or so.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   seatpost posted by Chris on 2/21/2009 at 8:29:08 PM
true.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Phillips floating headset? posted by: James on 2/17/2009 at 9:57:40 PM
I have a 1940s Hercules "Sports model", similar to this: http://www.classicrendezvous.com/British_isles/Hercules_1939.htm
It has what looks like a brazed on top heatset race with a floating race inside of that. Is the floating race a later addition?
The bicycle also has wingnuts. cyclo benelux on the back, on the single speed hub and something else up front. Could someone point me to photos or scans that might help me idenfity the front wingnuts? I'll post photos tomorrow.
I'd like to sell the bike.

Also is anyone interested in a 52" Clubman project indlucing the correct, but not original dynohub and light parts?
The frame has the usual sun burnt paint, rubbed off on top and the transfers are in good shape but there is a little ding in the top tube. Original steel AW, used dynohub from 1952 as well and all the parts, some NOS needed to construct a period correct SA light set up, all purchased from Peter Paine. Original ivory bluemels as well in decent shape, lugged stem, original handlebar and brake levers, GB brakes as well. Needs new rims and wheels built. I'd like to find someone who has had this sort of project in mind.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:���Phillips floating headset? posted by James on 2/17/2009 at 11:39:40 PM
http://flickr.com/photos/31713408@N05/3289983326/
This is the only photo of the Clubman I have at the moment. I'll take some more soon.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Phillips floating headset? posted by Warren on 2/18/2009 at 6:12:02 AM
The floating race is correct. I have a circa 52 Hercules with the same headset but it is press fit and not brazed on. I also have Phillips style wingnuts on my bike. Many generic versions of this wingnut were made.


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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Phillips floating headset? posted by Keith Body on 2/18/2009 at 11:20:18 AM
The hercules head bearings would have been loose races with 1/8 inch balls, with the head lugs shaped to accept them. Cheap head bearings common on millions of british bikes.
Raleigh clubman looks more like an RRA, is it 531 tubing, and if butted then would be RRA, or some model that did not hit the home market. Head clip head set, 73/71 angles?
could be wrong, not easy to see in your picture.
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Phillips floating headset? posted by Warren on 2/18/2009 at 12:29:43 PM
Looks just like this 51 Clubman....http://www.sheldonbrown.com/retroraleighs/clubman-kohler/pages/1951-complete.html
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:���Phillips floating headset? posted by James on 2/19/2009 at 12:35:00 AM
So with a loose or floating race (donut with bearings in it) that sits in a headtube "cup" the headset is designed to have play?
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:���Phillips floating headset? posted by James on 2/19/2009 at 1:04:12 AM
The rear wingnuts are obviously Cyclo Benelux. Can anyone tell me about this model? What are they worth?


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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:���Phillips floating headset? posted by James on 2/19/2009 at 1:05:41 AM
Can someone identify these wingnuts?


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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:���Phillips floating headset? posted by Warren on 2/19/2009 at 5:54:50 AM
Once it's adjusted properly, it behaves just like any other headset. The only real advantage is you can replace just the hardened races when the headset wears out and becomes indexed.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   whats my bike?!? posted by: jacko on 2/17/2009 at 9:03:56 PM
Hi. I just brought a old bike and after looking around this site I still cant figure out what it is. Maybe someone out there could point me in the direction of a brand name with the info I have.


-Single speed
-The rear hub is marked 'Perry 40-14 England'
-tires on it are 28x1.5
-the peddal crank has the name 'williams' marked
-The saddle has 'bates' and 'dunlop'
-the front brake is a rod brake, but the rear just goes on peddaling backwards
-There is a serial number but it dosnt match anything on this site. It is located where the seat is mounted and reads "92704". I cant find a name anywhere on it

Any help would be greatly apriciated.
Thanks
Jackson

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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   whats my bike?!? posted by Matthew on 2/17/2009 at 11:49:45 PM
Hi Jackson,

Pictures will be a great help if you can provide some?

Matthew - seeing is, well, seeing?
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   whats my bike?!? posted by jacko on 2/18/2009 at 12:39:09 PM
does this help

http://picasaweb.google.com/jackotai.tai/UntitledAlbum?feat=directlink


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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   whats my bike?!? posted by Warren on 2/18/2009 at 1:52:52 PM
Great bike! Your Perry hub sounds like it's sacked but there's a new one on ebay right now. I'm wondering if Bates made roadsters because Dunlop seats (it is rubber, yes?) were usually branded Dunlop. The Williams crank has a date code on the back. I love those 5 pin cranks...yours looks well loved...pointy teeth!

Look up the Williams date of manufacture here....http://www.classicrendezvous.com/British_isles/Williams/Williams_nmbrs.htm
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   whats my bike?!? posted by Matthew on 2/18/2009 at 1:59:32 PM
Hi Jackson,

Yes that does help. The type of front brake and style of handlebars makes this quite an early machine. I would guess 1920s. It is certainly not 1930s and the rear hub may be newer than the rest of the bicycle.

Matthew - early bird.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   whats my bike?!? posted by Geoff on 2/18/2009 at 2:11:29 PM
I think the Bates saddle was probably a replacement, many years ago. I also think this is a prewar bicycle. The Perry hub was once a coaster brake, but it sounds like it isn't any more! The "40" does not help; they are all marked "40". The front brake lever is very cool, and almost certainly prewar, I think. What's the doodad sticking out of the top of the headset on the left side? Is it a grease fitting? Or something that moves when the bike steers? As to maker, that is difficult. There were so many cycle makes in Britain before WW II, and lots of them made similar machines. The show I visit in Hampshire every September always has a dozen or more bikes like this one, mostly painted with thick black housepaint and completely anonymous. They don't sell for much money, although nice original roadsters with a brand name and working lights etc. are creeping up in value. Yours is not a Raleigh, I am quite sure, but what is it? If it has been painted, sometimes you can very carefully sand through the paint to expose a transfer on the tubing, but this doesn't always work. In any event, it's very cool!

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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   whats my bike?!? posted by jacko on 2/18/2009 at 9:17:53 PM
wow thanks alot everybody. I had no idea I could get feedback so fast. much appriciated. A feature i should have noted is on the steering, there is a small leaver that when ingaged stops the steering from working, that is it locks the steering in a strait position. why an earth would you want to do this I ask myself. A acident waiting to happen. Is it to stop the bike falling over when its on its stand?
There is sevral gresse nipples on the bike.

On further inspection I discovered the cranks dont appear to match. The willams one appears to be odd. the number puts it at 1964, which i presume is to modern for the rest of the bike. the other crank, all i can make out is the word 'utility'... as well as 'British made'.

dose this get us any closer?

:) jackson
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AGE / VALUE:   new indicator chain posted by: sam on 2/17/2009 at 10:47:18 AM
The tri-coaster had a busted indicator chain and sence the rod would be almost impossable to get I needed to rivit a new chain on the old rod.I used a pic. hanger nail for a brad.The small 1/4' kind that come in pic hanger packets.I cut it a hair longer than where it passes through the chain and pinned it.Worked great---now I have a fresh 1918 tri-coaster indicator rod---sam
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   new indicator chain posted by Chris on 2/18/2009 at 9:06:25 AM
Bravo! Well done.
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AGE / VALUE:   20 in rollfast folding bike posted by: William Sewell on 2/17/2009 at 8:13:28 AM
I have a boys 20 in rollfast folding bike. Serial # G5697. It has a SE in a circle by the number. Can you give me any info on this bike. Thanks for you time.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   20 in rollfast folding bike posted by william sewell on 2/17/2009 at 1:23:54 PM
Just found out the serial # is G25697 not G5697
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AGE / VALUE:   LANCE ARMSTRONG'S STOLEN BICYCLE posted by: CHRIS on 2/16/2009 at 8:42:04 AM
Lance should have had better security, he had his bike stolen the other day, hope they get it back!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   LANCE ARMSTRONG'S STOLEN BICYCLE posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 2/19/2009 at 6:43:37 AM
Not to worry.... it's been found...

http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/1635044.html

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - I don't want it... can't imagine why any of us would.... ;-)
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   LANCE ARMSTRONG'S STOLEN BICYCLE posted by Chris on 2/20/2009 at 8:44:15 AM
have not read the article but I'm glad it's been found! Go Lance!
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MISC:   Vintage Mountain Bike Discussion Area posted by: Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles at OldRoads.com on 2/15/2009 at 7:51:49 AM
Over 5 years ago we removed the Vintage Mountain Bike Discussion Area from OldRoads.
I don't remember why we removed it, but we've just added it back:

http://oldroads.com/d_mtb_def.asp?rec_count=1

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           RE:MISC:   Vintage Mountain Bike Discussion Area posted by Matthew on 2/15/2009 at 2:49:50 PM
Hi Vin,

This is good news. All too soon we will be searching auctions and attics to find early MTBs.

We will be reminiscing over rigid frames and downhill clunkers......

Matthew - from the land of no mountains - Norfolk, England
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Please LET ME KNOW WHAT I HAVE??? posted by: Javi on 2/15/2009 at 1:31:59 AM
Hey everyone,
i bought a bike for 5$ at a yard sale. It's called a "FOREMOST" at least that's what it says on it's logo that is still on the front. It's an English 3 speed with a white tail. The back hub says its a 1968. THATS ALL I KNOW. i cant seem to find ANY EXISTENCE of this bike aside from some guy at the bike shop that told me it was sold at JC Penny. PLEASE help me find out what i have, or link me with any sites that i may learn more. God Bless, thank you.
Enjoy the pic, i restored it.


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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Please LET ME KNOW WHAT I HAVE??? posted by Keith body on 2/15/2009 at 5:14:10 AM
Not British. Is it a dated Sturmey Archer AW?
Probably large store own name from Taiwan.
Any makers names on the rims and other parts?
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Please LET ME KNOW WHAT I HAVE??? posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 2/15/2009 at 5:42:50 AM
I would agree with Keith as to it not beina a Britsh machine. All British Roadsters and Light Sports were of the lugged frame design.

Nonetheless, if it is in fact a 1968 machine, regardless of where manufactured, it appears to be in exceptional condition.

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - I would ride it!


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           RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Please LET ME KNOW WHAT I HAVE??? posted by jj on 2/15/2009 at 6:32:41 AM
Look in the archives at the top of this page under the General Resources section. There are 80 pages of info on your cycle.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Please LET ME KNOW WHAT I HAVE??? posted by Matthew on 2/15/2009 at 2:51:11 PM
Close cousin of Flying Pigeon etc, methinks?

Matthew - to the front.
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AGE / VALUE:    posted by: mark H on 2/14/2009 at 5:30:38 PM
well i was out riding the massey harris today and thought i would stop at a local bike shop called recycalistas.they take old bikes and fix them up.anyways they always hear about my bikes and thought i would stop in and show her off,well one of the bike mechanics is the second generation harris,his great grandfather,he always heard stories of him and bicycles but never saw one.he really had a good look.what a small frikkin world.cant believe it.i bought a carbide bullet lamp it looks cool.i will get it fired up one day.


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Kevin on 2/17/2009 at 4:27:20 AM
Did the descendant try to buy your bike? It would be great to keep one in the family. PS: The headlight looks awesome.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by mark H on 2/17/2009 at 8:45:37 AM
thanks kevin!i have been trying to distress the lamp.salt vinegar water,heat.it looks new and it doesnt match the bike.the guy didnt say much?i think hes quiet in the first place,i will see if his father wants to see it.i know if it was me i would want it,but everyones different.at least he has a story now.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by greg on 2/17/2009 at 6:28:48 PM
What's the wire wheel in front of it?
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1962 eng 3 speed tourer decals posted by: Davey ~Granules~ on 2/14/2009 at 10:52:26 AM
hi, i'm restoring this bike and i'm wondering if anyone has got any pictures of the original paintwork/decals?
thanks,
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1962 eng 3 speed tourer decals posted by Warren on 2/14/2009 at 2:40:02 PM
Not to be rude but how in tarnation are we supposed to know what 1962 bike you are talking about? There were likely a few million made around that time. Is there a name, headbadge pictures etc?
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1962 eng 3 speed tourer decals posted by Steve on 2/15/2009 at 6:02:51 AM
I'll bet you it's a...Raleigh Mystery !
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1962 eng 3 speed tourer decals posted by Matthew on 2/15/2009 at 2:54:25 PM
No, no, its a Hercules Hiroglyph or Vindec Vanish.

Matthew - it only hurst when I laugh.

PS; Davey, give us some more info and we will get our sleuth kits out.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   phillips history posted by: Mark on 2/12/2009 at 10:58:16 PM
this is my first post to yourgreat site! i believe i have found some info not previuosly mentioned here about the Phillips to Raleigh transition 1960-1961--although the article is mainly about Phillips Panda mopeds it mentions bikes too:
"Tube Investments Group agreed terms for the take-over of Raleigh on 19th April 1960...In October 1960, Raleigh de-listed their Sturmey-Archer powered RM2c moped.

On January 15th 1961, 1,000 workers at Phillips Smethwick factory stopped work for the rest of the day, in protest against a BCC announcement to concentrate cycle production at Nottingham. The following day, cycle production at Raleigh was cut back 30% due to falling orders and built-up stocks, with 7,000 employees going to a 4-day week from January 27th....An ill wind of change began blowing through the TI/Raleigh Industries Group during April 1961, with the announcement outlining further restructuring of factories of the British Cycle Corporation. Now closures were announced of Norman at Ashford, Sun Cycle & Fittings Phoenix Works at Aston Brook St, J B Brooks in Great Charles Street, Birmingham, and Wrights Saddle Co of Dale Road, Selly Oak. A question hung over Phillips Lion Works at Newtown, and it was stated that over the next three years, manufacture of all bicycles for the group would relocate to Nottingham"
So maybe Phillips bikes were still Birmingham into the spring of 61!? i got interested in this after buying recently a Phillips gents bike on ebay--with reardynohub and lights dont know if they work yet...that turns out to be a manhattan with august 1960 dynohub stamp. i also differ with a previous poster as to the 2 tone paint job and "loud" graphics, i think it's cool...anyhow i think i will enjoy this bike. i also have a 58 ladies raleigh sports i took apart, i want to swap the SW hub for an old Aw using the original 40h wheel--any recommends for spokes sizes, types and quantity? the aricle refered to above is "Pandamonium" by mark Daniels--scroll down for bike bits.
http://www.icenicam.ukfsn.org/articles1/art0021.html
thanks
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AGE / VALUE:   peugeot super competition posted by: Bill Arnold on 2/12/2009 at 12:54:05 PM
I have a, I think, 1981,82 or 83 peugeot super competition bicycle. According to what I've been able to find out in old roads catalogues, it was a special order model. You brought the frame and they would hang what components you wanted on it. Everything appears to be campanello G.S. except for the rear deralier, I can never remember how to spell that, which is a criterion. The serial number is D1020929. The seat post is Luprada, what ever that is. The color is pearl white and it looks as if it just rolled off the show room floor. I paid five hundred dollars for it. Can anyone tell me anything about it. Did I get a fair deal?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   peugeot super competition posted by Matthew on 2/13/2009 at 11:08:34 AM
Hi Bill,

You're on teh wrong discussion board. Try the lightweight DB. We are all rod brakes and hub gears on this one. You talk far to exotically for us.

Matthew - clunk, whirr, tick, tick,
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MISC:   Great Value posted by: JDuck on 2/12/2009 at 8:32:53 AM
So it's a bit pricey, you would look good on it.
ebay #110346846647
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           RE:MISC:   Great Value posted by mark H on 2/12/2009 at 9:50:11 AM
wow fancy,i can build a exact replica for 500 bucks if anybody wants one.probably cheaper.


diamonds dont sell bicycles do they
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           RE:MISC:   Great Value posted by greg on 2/13/2009 at 1:27:47 PM
If they part it out, what do you think they'd take just for the headlight?
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           RE:MISC:   Great Value posted by mark H on 2/14/2009 at 5:14:26 AM
i think the headlight will fetch 30 bucks.this bike will be in a thrift store in 20 years for 50 bucks.i still cant get over it?
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Great Value posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 2/14/2009 at 5:39:51 AM
I'm on dialup here... so when I saw "Chanel", I presumed ladies frame. NO!

If you should ever find me beside the road dead... do NOT put me on that thing!

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - THAT... is excess taken to the extreme
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           RE:MISC:   Great Value posted by Mark R. (NJ) on 2/15/2009 at 2:23:52 PM
It's a piece of junk for one thing, the other thing is it's probably a scam. There is nosuch thing as a "brooks brothers" seat, and that's not a Brooks saddle. I believe this same bike was for sale last month too. Avoid it at your peril.
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Great Value posted by Chris on 2/16/2009 at 9:59:02 PM
I think it was a cool idea but that it went wrong. They should have used a reconditioned old classic bike and have the paqnnier bags, seat and other things like paintwork done to a real antique and classic. Not kit out a modern bike like this. This is not a classy bike it is a modern piece of junk and it betrays the magic that Channel is a part of. This project went wrong.

It is simply supposed to lure folks into the Channel store.

This bike is not worth the asking price. Somebody got it because of their contact with the Channel company and now that it is getting long in the tooth, this promotion is up for sale.

If you are part of the "Channel family" it's cool but for bike folks who know and love old bikes it's not cool because it's too new and not classic enough.

No bike people will love it and folks who love Chnannel will prefer a leather bag or purse or perfume, or clothes and the young lady would want to send the bike back and get things like clothes out of the channel catalog.

The Louis Vuitton name is applied to cars and show cars and it's hip and cool even though it's a bootleg type thing.

A lot of companies like this want to have a bicycle with their name associated with it.

This is a promotional stunt by the famous and well respected Channel company. Perfume, fine leather purses and handbags and Channel sells high end clothing as well.

It looks like the Brooks Brothers company got in on the act by stiching leather over a common , modern day bicycle seat. Of course, the leather pannier bags are of interest because these were done by Channnel.

Is Brooks Brothers a subsidary of Channel? Are they linked in some way? Brooks Brothers has let their quality slip and if you look closely you'll see things jobbed out to China and things that used to be made in Italy are now being made in China. This is unacceptable for Brooks Brothers to do.

What differenciates the Brooks Brothers product from the cheap crap I can find at any Walmart? If this is going on? Nothing. It brings down the name and when you've read their recent hardcover book on the history of this company and you sit in the store and see so much of their stuff now made in China it makes the customer want to cry. And I did.

They think the Brooks Brothers name stiched in the product from China will make it ok and it does not, it has not and never will make up for the fact that the quality has slipped and that we have been betrayed. If I am going to pay full price, I want it to come from Italy and I expect a level of quality not found coming out of China.

I look to see where it was made when shopping at Brooks Brothers. I have an Italian leather Brooks Brothers belt and it is years old and I love it. It is a real treat to wear and own and the leather is top quality. Their shoes are magical and if and when, these are ever sub contracted out to someplace in China the show will be over. People won't buy the shoes then. Brooks Brothers is shooting themselves in the foot with this business of quietly having things made in China. They are losing business wheather they realize it or not. people look to see what is different and seeing "made in China" on a Brooks Brothers product won't fly.

Brooks Brothers should never get confused with the Brooks saddle company from England. they never have been linked in any way.
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AGE / VALUE:   Brooks posted by: Dave on 2/11/2009 at 8:03:00 PM
Here a great site about Brooks saddles for you gents. Very interesting.

http://www.thefixedgeargallery.com/bicyclesaddles/brooks.php

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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Brooks posted by JDuck on 2/12/2009 at 8:11:39 AM
What a great site! And I only got broadband last week.
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