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AGE / VALUE:   Fitting a square peg into a round hole posted by: David Poston on 2/11/2009 at 11:30:02 AM
OK, I just cannot seem to find a seatpost that will fit my Phillips bicycle. The seatpost it came with was obviously incorrect, b/c it was too loose (probably a Raleigh part). According to Sheldon's site, "Most Raleighs use a seatpost diameter of 1" (25.4 mm) while other British 3-speed bikes usually use 1 1/16" (27.0 mm)."

I just got a 27 mm seatpost off ebay UK, but now it won't fit. Based on my crude measurements with a ruler, the internal diameter of the seat tube is around 26.7 mm. I'm wondering if I should try expanding it, or try another seatpost. One problem may be the fact that this seatpost is sawed off short, so there is no taper at the bottom.

Is it sometimes necessary to take a mallet to a seatpost to seat it?

Any ideas?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fitting a square peg into a round hole posted by Kevin on 2/11/2009 at 12:11:27 PM
You should be able to shim the smaller seatpost to fit the tube in the bike. I have used factory-made seat post shims, and I have seen people make shims out of thin sheets of aluminum.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fitting a square peg into a round hole posted by David Poston on 2/11/2009 at 12:16:06 PM
Do you have any pictures or detailed instructions on how this would work? My fear is getting a shim stuck in the seat tube.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fitting a square peg into a round hole posted by Steve on 2/11/2009 at 3:17:44 PM
I currently still have a "stuck seat post", on yes you guessed it...a Phillips.

Goodness knows who put it in, or what with.

Tried all the usual remedies with no success yet, may soon have to take major surgery action, or fit a seat post within a seat post.

I would love to be in your position, shimming a narrower seat post seems the logical thing to do.

Steve - I'll keep you posted if I have any news.
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           Problem Solver posted by sam on 2/11/2009 at 6:16:43 PM
Not me---but Problem solver shims.
and they have a lip at the top that will not let them go into the seatpost and cause a problem---problem solved
http://greatadventuresports.com/page.cfm?PageID=125&action=list&Category=192&Brand=312&type=T
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           RE:Problem Solver posted by David Poston on 2/11/2009 at 9:03:02 PM
I may try the shim idea, although I'm not sure it will look "correct" on this classic bike.

I did finally get my hands on a caliper. The seat tube on the bike measures between 25.8 mm - 26.3 mm. Seems the ideal seat tube diameter would be around 26.0 mm. I'm wondering why Sheldon is wrong on this. My 1931 Sunbeam roadster seat tube does measure around 27.0 mm.
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           RE:RE:Problem Solver posted by Chris on 2/11/2009 at 9:24:35 PM
I would wait and not be in such a rush. Don't take a mallet to it, either. Search around a bit and you will find a proper fitting seat post.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fitting a square peg into a round hole posted by David on 2/12/2009 at 6:36:16 AM
Use one of those stepped seatpost sizers. Most bike shops have them and just see which size will work best. Sheldon did say "usually" and he was careful not to use absolutes. The top of the seat tube can be difficult and misleading to measure as it's easily deformed. Good luck.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fitting a square peg into a round hole posted by David Poston on 2/12/2009 at 12:21:41 PM
Should I just buy this seatpost off e-bay?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=330273755997

It is 26.0 mm. This is in the middle of the diameter range (25.8 - 26.3 mm). Or should the seatpost diameter match the largest diameter of the seat tube?

thanks
David
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fitting a square peg into a round hole posted by Warren on 2/12/2009 at 3:12:08 PM
David, if the seatpost bolt "ears" are not visibly crushed, use the narrow diameter at the top of the seat tube. They often widen out as the post slips in.

I have a 1956 Norman that has a shim for the post and I'm confident it was original. You don't even notice them.

I think the 26.0 is the size you want but as suggested, the stepped seatpost gauges are the way to go to be certain. All shops should have one.
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fitting a square peg into a round hole posted by Chris on 2/13/2009 at 9:02:46 AM
take you time this is not a school project where the professor is gonna flunk you if it's not done on time.


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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Indian Roadsters posted by: JS on 2/11/2009 at 6:18:46 AM
Hey guys-

Just back from India. I am starting a series of Blog posts about Indian Roadsters, of which there are many.

As always, let me know what you think!

http://www.flyingpigeonproject.org
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WANTED:   Rudge Chaincase posted by: geoffrey on 2/10/2009 at 10:39:04 AM
Seeking a complete chaincase in good condtion + for my cable brake/26-inch rim English three speed. I do have a lovely set of wheels that have SUN aluminum rims w/o any decals on them, which I laced with silver DT spokes (brass nipples) to a S/A three-speed hub for trade, or cash only deal good too.
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AGE / VALUE:   Phillips! posted by: sam on 2/10/2009 at 7:49:22 AM
Check out this Phillips over on TheCabe
http://www.thecabe.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=3328
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           another interesting bike posted by sam on 2/10/2009 at 7:27:59 PM
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RARE-VINTAGE-MERCURY-CYCLE-26-WHEELS-ROD-BRAKES_W0QQitemZ260357778683QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Collectables_Bicycle_RL?hash=item260357778683&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1688%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
Mercury of Coventry had the contract to supply bikes for the US air strip in WW2
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Phillips! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 2/11/2009 at 3:41:42 AM
That Phillips is very nice. Large frame too. Do you suppose that awful reflector on the handlebar was added later? And I'll have to look at some of my older machines... the year escapes me as to when they started requiring the reflectors in the pedals....

Overall though, VERY fine example!

The Mercury is awesome as well.... I wonder what year that is and it appears to be one VERY tall frame!

Thanks for posting these!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - reflecting.......
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AGE / VALUE:   Bad case of oversell? posted by: Pete on 2/10/2009 at 5:23:39 AM
As interesting as it might be this is definitely a case of oversell and overprice.
Ebay item number: 360130306301
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bad case of oversell? posted by Chris on 2/10/2009 at 8:37:59 AM
I really enjoyed reading it all. Thanks. I would not mount a motor kit on a Sunbeam, no matter how vintage the motor is. To anything else, but not on a Sunbeam. That's just me perhaps.


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AGE / VALUE:   My DL-1 posted by: Zach Mathews on 2/7/2009 at 11:42:08 AM
Hello all. I have finally acquired a DL-1 in southern California after 2 years of diligent searching. She is a fine example. Does anyone know a truly reliable database of Raleigh date-matching for DL-1 serial numbers? Does such a thing exist? I cannot seem to get the information I need from Sheldon's site. The wheel set is '72, but the Raleigh graphic on the down tube, definitely original, has the block letters with serifs typical of the early 60's. The part I would dearly like to find is a Roadster model Presstube rack, or any correct black rear carrier. I am also looking for a chain case, as the hockey stick chain guard with it's slanted 70's logo, while correct in fit, is also not original to this frame. And does anyone know, did these bikes generally always have a Dyno 3 around 1960? Was a front Dynohub sometimes stock, with an AW in back?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   My DL-1 posted by Dave on 2/7/2009 at 1:17:30 PM
Did you buy it from someone in Orange County? $350
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   My DL-1 posted by Zach Mathews on 2/7/2009 at 1:56:40 PM
In Marina del Rey, for that price, yes. He may live in Orange County.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   My DL-1 posted by mark H on 2/7/2009 at 6:04:07 PM
zach-thats very exciting !im still looking,i find them to nice and expensive,or junky and expensive.ha i cant win when it comes to a DL -1....i wanna see pics!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   My DL-1 posted by greg on 2/8/2009 at 10:51:23 AM
The Headbadge website should set you straight on the date with your serial #. I found the # for mine there & as well as the plant that manufactured it. Kicked off a a lively conversation as a result. Have some more questions of my own about mine but not until I have pix to post with it.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   My DL-1 posted by Zach Mathews on 2/8/2009 at 1:25:09 PM
Here's my photobucket bike album link. The new DL-1 is up first, followed by a bike many users of this site might find far more interesting. The Rudge is not for sale. Not entertaining any offers.


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   My DL-1 posted by Zach Mathews on 2/8/2009 at 1:42:28 PM
The serial number, stamped on top of the seat cluster (top tube lug), is 2598850. This I guess falls into the "insufficient information" 19? to 1973 category on the Headbadge site. Anyone have a theory?
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   My DL-1 posted by Chris on 2/8/2009 at 6:55:39 PM
Nice bikes. After all these years it's still neat, it still makes me marvel... to see other folks who love their Raleigh's as I do. I think of all the folks I have met who just like Zach, say the bike "is not for sale".

All the folks who tell you their Raleigh is not for sale and then again I resuced so many from the kerb and from estate sales where it was there with the 50.00 price tag on it. My first mens Raleigh tourist 28 inch wheel rod brake bike I bought for myself was hanging in the upstairs of the bike shop and the shop folks sold it to me for 50.00 It was abandoned in the bike shop because the owner had died. He was "not going to return for it, the man is dead, chris." Yes you may buy it!! I had already fallen in love with the ladies version and it was time for me to own an mens version if I was gonna ride and collect them. I ended up buying new ones and then ALL the parts to them and when their customers needed parts for their bikes the shop referred them to me. "Um you call this guy here" and the handed the customer my card. It was strange and the timing was good. It was a 3 speed and the new bikes were derailer models. The tide had turned against the 3 speed hub. I took D.L.1. parts to the customers homes and repaired their bikes there. I got referrals, bought the bikes when they decided to own something else, when the owners got too aged or had passed away I was called by the kids to come pick it up. I picked the first shop clean. I hung out and met the distributor and branched out from there. It's such a graceful, stately, bike and the way it rides the way it appears as it is ridden is unique and magical. I met a fellow in Ohio who was far more possessed with these than me. He bought and bought and bought and it did not matter that he already had 200 of the same year and type and model he still would buy. I had a strange experience, the same very experience happen to me on 3 seperate times. Getting lost on the ohio turnpike, getting soaking wet, running into the same gas station to ask directions to his address, standing there soaking wet, asking the same gas station clerk, "how do I get to this address" It was spooky. I arrived there freaked out each time, on three seperate times the same things happened. it was straight out of the twilight zone. Then when I get there and sell everything and to wander thru his lair and see all those bikes row after row of them and all the rare and ancient, really ancient bikes and pick thru his collection just to look. He pressed at, pressed after me to bring more of my goodies and how soon can you come back? I thought I was crazy and I was and still am, but I was still junior league.

With the way these have increased in value, I will have to look him up.

Anyways It's nice to meet you and see your bike it's a nice one.
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   My DL-1 posted by Chris on 2/8/2009 at 8:02:29 PM
I forgot to mention in my above post how strange it is to hear that these still get thrown away, thrown in the canals and skips and about some peoples attitude. "Oh you don't want that old thing!" and they are embarrised to let me see it and "it's so old and outdated," and "Oh you can't find parts for them" and all this garbage and I look at them and marvel how clueless they are about these.

After I buy it up or take it for free after I have it packed up in the car or after it's already at home then every once in awhile I tell them "how famous these are, how so well loved theses are, how possessive and valued these are and about the folks who tighten their grip on the handlebars and tell you it's never going to be for sale. How the "bike is off limits" These have always been magical to me, seeing one on the lawn as you pull up the driveway and having your pulse quicken and trying to act uninterested as I approach it and buy it up before somebody else at the garage sale gets their hands on it. Running into the house at the estate sale and heading for the first place a bike might be the garage or basement. Bikes first before everything else, no matter that something else is there and is a really good deal and I want one of those as well but it has to wait as I am amking a hurried, excited, "breathless with anticipation" run every time I go to an estate sale.

I run to the garage and see nothing and ask anyways and every now and again I am lead out there by the owner who was in the kitchen selling glassware and she says sure we didn't think anybody would want that old bike, it's up there and we look with a flashlight and there, there it is.

I had overlooked it. The Flying Scot bike in the garage scared me as I worked up the nerve to ask permission to go into the garage and approach it and take it down after I was given permission to take it down and examine it and the strange way she thought about my offer and the way, the way she replied she would sell it. Yes it was for sale and if I brought back that much money, yes..... Yes she would sell it. It had been hanging there for 40 years. It was freaky laying hands on it and bringing it out of the garage and dusting it off and bringing it home. I was not gonna be denied that one. it was my first discovery of a flying scot and perhaps I overpaid the value, certainly it was not the way to try to get a deal. Other folks could have done better with the money aspect but I still think I was darned lucky and, had she been in touch with any folks from her club or other bike folks they would have gotten it reserved and dibs on it and I'd have missed out. I didn't want to fool around. I calmly offered $1000.00 , went and got it in cash, returned, handed it to her and with determination I went in and got it. It was strange for me.
It knocked me breathless. A flying scot I whispered on the phone. The real deal, from Scotland. Not the Raleigh made "the scot" bike. My friend got silent on the other end of the phone. "Chris, Where in the he** did you find that??"
I snapped up another Raleigh Superbe in the same complex that same day, on the way home with the Scot I saw another Raleigh.

My shop owning friend found a rare and vintage and very tricked out Schwinn racing bike a 1,500.00 bike between two junk huffy's in a garage sale and it freaked him out as well. Anyways it's been wonderful, marvelous, strange and magical, profitable, weird.

One shop pal of mine asked me to get it out of his shop. He had bought it and called me to come buy it from him and he watched me run in and sit down before it and kneel and marvel at it and examine it bit by bit and the way I approached it and we all stood silent and then there was about 15 people in this busy shop and we all looked at this thing. It had everybody in a trance. One guy commented "how unmolested the bike was, how original" I got socked for 575. on it and it was worth more. It was strange. He said it's causing such a distraction, all the customers, were drawn to it, it was calling to the other customers who were there for the new stuff the mountain bikes, the b.m.x. stuff the skateboard crowd. Everybody was seduced by it and asking to buy it and they were unhappy to hear it was reserved and already sold. It was making waves all morning, half the afternoon until I got there with it's mojo. "Get this thing out of my shop!" "now! before we are all as crazy as you, Chris!" He was not a Raleigh dealer. He clapped his hands together and yelled to everybody ENOUGH, and the spell was broken and then things returned to normal with folks asking about the new mountain bikes.
I laid the bills on the work bench and almost grabbed the guy asking what else he had? did he have the ladies mate to it? did the guy have a wife who had one of these was there anything else like tools or .....is this all? Yes, He had asked, There was nothing else. It's like the bike was biting everybody around it, infecting everyday normal people with the call of the old Raleigh bike. My friend told me he "could have sold that bike to anybody!" He was not gonna be swept away by anything that old and weird and it was the new stuff the Kona bike's he was excited about.

"The only good bike was a sold bike." This was a modern shop with the latest and newest stuff, a forward thinking, hip bike shop" I had to wrangle with him to get him to order me stuff. "Yes, I can. I don't want to." he would say but the old bikes people brought in, he'd take them in trade, sell them the new mountain bikes the Garry Fisher bikes and what else he had- he would find em and call me and he wanted them out of the shop as soon as possible and it was not an issue of floor space. Old Raleigh's spooked him out! he was a great help to my quest.

He got over his phobias later on, was into the old bikes as well, He cleaned them, did overhauls, charged folks a pretty penny to custom wax their Raleigh Superbe bike.
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   My DL-1 posted by Chris on 2/8/2009 at 8:25:58 PM
I was picking thru this one really old shop, in a really bad section of the city, throught the things in the basement. I went and brought in a friend who owned a shop of his own. "I want you to see this place I said" I picked him up and took him into the downtown and he got agitated as to where I was taking him, "gonna get us killed!" he said and all that. I think he was surprised where I'd go, in search of my quest. Anyways, we stood in the very cold, basement of this old shop and he shook his head, stunned.
I drove him home after wards I bought something he wanted, something he saw in the basement. We were low key, my friend was very quiet but still, when the guy who owned the place, the guy who let us in, when he found out that my friend owned and ran his own shop, on the other side of town, out in the suburbs and that so and so was there in the basement of the shop and that Chris had brought him in with him on one of his visits he blew his top, went ballistic, he pulled a gun, yelled and jabbered at me in Arabic. The relationship survived, barely, I bought a lot, and continued to do so but one thing you never do is do what I did. It was the principle of the thing and the two guys had it out because he went to see my friend who had gone with me. "He was here, threatened to shoot me, yeah, I can't go back there." "By the way, I want this bike he has in his basement, Can you get it?" years later the guy was still commenting "Can't believe you did that, Chris!" Bringing him here.

Anyways, you never bring in anybody anyways, to the cool old place you are buying from, because they get in the way and buy the stuff you want and no reason to ruin a good thing by creating competition.

So, "Indiana Jones" has to keep quiet and go alone at all times. With proper amounts of cash and with your own truck. You have to be quick and not dawdle because sometimes things happen, unexpected floods, where the whole basement is underwater due to a ruptured water main break, a fire engulfs the place, the shop is siezed for back taxes, folks die and the doctor who is owed money takes over the ownership and running of the place. The magical mirage can shift again and the bubble in time with all the old Campagnolo parts inside vanishes. You want to have gotten all you were intending to buy because time is short. Shorter than you think.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   My DL-1 posted by Geoff Rogers on 2/9/2009 at 11:28:02 AM
Hi, Zach,
Your DL-1 looks very original, down to the metal valve stems and probably original Semperit tires. I agree with Chris, those are the best tires, and there is nothign wrong with old tubes; I have 1954 tires and tubes on my Superbe, and they hold air and perform just fine. I disagree about the gearcase. Your bike almost certainly had a hockey stic chainguard when it was new. Very few DL1s sold in the US ever came with gearcases. The serif RALEIGH letters were used into the early 70s on DL1s, so I think yours is probably a '72. Some time in the early 70s they started using B72 saddles; your appears to have a B66, which is more comfortable. As to Dynohubs, DL1s seldom had lighting equipment, especially later in life, in the US. In the UK market, a Dynohub was much more common, and a great many roadsters had four-speeds. I have a couple of Superbes (1953 and 1956), both with FG Dyno-Four hubs and lights. Your bike probably did not have lights. I had a 1951 lady's DL1 some years ago with a dyno front hub and AW rear. It did have a gearcase, but that was more common in the earlier years.
Your DL1 appears to be a lovely, original cycle. I would venture to say it has not been modified or changed.
Enjoy it! One of my favorites is a '69 Dunelt, built by Raleigh with a DL1 frame, chrome fenders and Phillips-style (not North Road, but swept back for an even more upright ridign position) handlebars. It's like riding along in a Bentley.
Geoff Rogers
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   My DL-1 posted by Zach Mathews on 2/9/2009 at 10:02:36 PM
Wow, Chris. Thanks for the stories. I really appreciate them. You have a great way of getting at the slightly mysterious passion we have. I explain my own fascination with the English 3-speed by explaining to people that, to me, these bicycles are the apex of design. They are absolutely pure in their practical nature, and their beauty is a natural extension of that nature. They are the most sublimely functional machines designed in recent history. I challenge anyone to find a better example of humankind's ability to better our lot through design and manufacturing. The shovel? The hammer? The very wheel itself? The Raleigh 3-speed is up there for me.

And Geoff, thanks very much for the information. Isn't the logo mismatch odd though? I certainly take your word for it that the hockey stick is correct. But why the two logo styles, I wonder? I thought all 70's Raleighs, except for the racing bikes, had that chunky, slanted logo.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   My DL-1 posted by Geoff on 2/11/2009 at 7:30:12 AM
Zach,
Check out the picture database on Oldroads. There are half a dozen 70's DL1s there. A couple have gearcases, one of which the owner explains he added later. The other has red tires, a hairspring saddle, and other non-original things, so the gearcase was undoubtedly added. I did see a 1981 a couple of years ago that had a gearcase, but I suspect it was kind of a "last hurrah" bike by Raleigh, one of the very last DL1, so let's trick it out at the factory. It looked completely original to me. You can't see the downtube logo on most of these pics, but on the 1980 pic it is definitely the old seraph style with the slanty logo on the chainguard (which is the later style, bu the way, sort of American looking if you ask me, but correct for a late DL1). I agree, the logo mismatch is odd, but then Raleigh's attitude to the DL1 was a little weird itself. I think they kept it alive as long as they did because it was preceived as a special British thing, like keeping a stiff upper lip, and supporting a monarchy. One needs these things to preserve the Empire, but they are unique, so you do not have to follow all the standard rules and conventions. I think.
In any event, your is a fine machine. I wouldn't change it if it were mine. Carriers are a little hard to find, by the way, because the bike is so big. You need long supports to make one work.
All the best,
Geoff Rogers
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   My DL-1 posted by Edgar X on 2/11/2009 at 10:07:51 AM
I agree with Zach. When my friends tease me about riding SA 3 and 5 speeds, I ask them, "can you name any other complex mechanical device that has been manufactured and used for over 100 years basically unchanged, and STILL IS??"
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   My DL-1 posted by Chris on 2/12/2009 at 8:48:29 AM
Plus all the copying that went on Sturmey- Archer got so big and popular that they could not keep up with demand and all the other sets of factory tooling that were ordered from the tool makers I am talking about Hercules and Brampton's tooling that knocked out "Sturmey- Archer type " products

Steyr Steryia- Daimler Puch from Austria, the tooling went to Austria! Where is it now??
Schwinn Approved (with the ridges on the hub shell)
Hercules
(the B- type 4 and others)
Brampton fittings (from Birmingham)
others as well.............
And yes, the Sunrace folks who showed up at the boardroom of Sturmey- Archer when the end came, the Sunrace guy showed up in his companies jacked and it was clear he wanted Sturmey- Archer. They bought up the tooling and took two British guys along too! and they took it all to a new factory where it was installed there and the company was re- named Sunrace Sturmey Archer

Now they offer.......... Well look up their web site for yourself!!

It marches along still, getting bigger albeiet in a new home

Yow! You keep on telling them what you said because it's really true!!

Sheesh!
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MISC:   An additional Discussion Area for general topics? posted by: Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles at OldRoads.com on 2/6/2009 at 12:41:20 PM

I've had a few people ask if we could have another, more generic Discussion Area which doesn't address a specific category of bicycles. This is mostly for people who do not know into which category their cycle belongs.

I've also been asked over the years if we could have a Discussion Area where people could talk about more peripheral bike issues. Things like politics, the economy, where bicycling is headed, etc.

Would it be a good idea to add another discussion area which covers those topics?
If so, what would it be called?

As always, thanks for your valued input.

-Vin


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           RE:MISC:   An additional Discussion Area for general topics? posted by Matthew on 2/6/2009 at 1:27:08 PM
Hi Vin,

If you move in to the debating area of ploitics and religion, which we have always shied away from here, then some of the harmony of the site will be lost or at least disturbed. There are other outlets for such discussion. I will be honest and say that I would much rather that there was not a DB for such subjects here, however I would agree that (with rules) a wider topic DB around matters cycling and cycling campaigns might be useful.

Matthew - moderately extreme
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           RE:RE:MISC:   An additional Discussion Area for general topics? posted by Chris on 2/6/2009 at 6:11:01 PM
I agree with Mathew and can't think what else to add to what he said.
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           RE:MISC:   An additional Discussion Area for general topics? posted by sam on 2/6/2009 at 9:06:54 PM
A-men Brother Matthew,you got my vote!---sam
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           RE:MISC:   An additional Discussion Area for general topics? posted by Steve on 2/7/2009 at 2:58:51 AM
I wanted to blame the governments lack of foresight in the late 50's and 1960's for not protecting and reading the early warning signs concerning the British engineering industries, unfortunately I'm not politically minded and don't have enough in depth boardroom knowledge of the relevant industries...oh to be a fly on some boardroom walls all the years ago.

Having said that, I don't suppose our bikes would be as interesting now, if things were still the same as they once were !

Steve - what goes around, comes around...so tread cafefully !
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           RE:RE:MISC:   An additional Discussion Area for general topics? posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 2/7/2009 at 4:49:20 AM
Seems that Matthew has covered all the bases pursuant to your inquiry, sir. It is interesting though... I don't oft meander into the other areas of the site so I can really only address the environment on this board, but I daresay it's singularly the most civilized I've encountered. Don't know if the addition of an "Opinion Exchange" area would change any of that.

Certainly there are other areas where that sort of thing can be hashed out. Yet... oft times it's human nature... to be interested in the views of like minded folks. Sometimes we get a little off topic and such... as that's bound to happen in any "discussion". Even then... when there are in fact disagreements.... it remains civil and I think for the most part that is due to the RESPECT we have for each other... and our "environment" here.

I think that a general question area for folks unsure of where to post their stuff.... might only be frequented by the same folks... and may not be effective. Then again.... perhaps not. THAT... might make for an interesting venue to pursue.

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - taking moderation to excess once again......


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           RE:MISC:   An additional Discussion Area for general topics? posted by Stephen Hogben on 2/7/2009 at 2:03:48 PM
Two things I have learned in my life NEVER NEVER discuss Politics or Religion especicially down the pub!Usually ends up in a massive argument or a knuckle sarnie!No this site is for old bike enthusiasts,regardless of race,colour,sex,religion or whatever else!We all appreciate old bikes and that is how it should stay.
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           RE:RE:MISC:   An additional Discussion Area for general topics? posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 2/9/2009 at 3:34:55 AM
Stephen certainly has named the two universally volatile topics for just about any realm. It's also interesting to note that controversy can be realm specific. I was most keen to observe our short discussion pursuant to helmets here a few weeks back. While interesting and pointed, not NEARLY as volatile as having the same topic hashed through on a Motorcycle Discussion Forum.

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - as me about my LOUD PIPES... ;-)
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           RE:MISC:   An additional Discussion Area for general topics? posted by Steve on 2/10/2009 at 2:12:55 AM
Daughter came "a cropper" the other day in slippy conditions.
Helmet hit the ground (and cracked) but saved her head from serious impact, although cheek and nose got grazed.

I don't particularly like wearing mine, but it's difficult to argue sometimes, especially where a child is concerned.

Funny thing is...she was more concerned about the bike !

Steve
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           RE:RE:MISC:   An additional Discussion Area for general topics? posted by Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles at OldRoads.com on 2/11/2009 at 8:46:33 AM

Ok, everyone speaking here and via email are saying pretty much the same thing.
So.. we won't add another discussion area section.
Thanks for your input.
-Vin


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AGE / VALUE:    posted by: mark H on 2/5/2009 at 4:02:16 PM
well its canadian but its a roadster,i just spent alot of hrs restoring this massey guessing 1918,up to 1924.i left everything as is,except the chainstay.before .who doesnt like pictures,i do!4mnths later she rides like a cloud.2 befores and then afters.


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by mark h on 2/5/2009 at 4:17:01 PM
this is how bad this bike was caked in grease and oil.it was like cement!


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Kevin on 2/5/2009 at 5:15:41 PM
Congratulations on a beautiful, thoughtful, low-key restoration! It really shows how lovely old nickle plating and worn paint can be. I love that mellow, antique, original look. It can't be duplicated. Many would have ruined that bike by repainting it -- such a shame.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by mark h on 2/5/2009 at 8:05:52 PM
thanks kevin,i thought certain bicycle people would understand.i thought i would share the massey harris,it turned out pretty good.this was alot of hard work but worth it.she sure has a look at the bicycle rack!all the other bikes seem so uninteresting.but she only stays there for a bit.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Kevin on 2/5/2009 at 8:36:13 PM
You're welcome -- Could you tell us what you did to save the old paint and give it such a nice glow? I have a circa 1920 Chief with original, (but dried and crusty) paint. It needs nourishing, or something. How did you do it?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by mark h on 2/5/2009 at 9:18:07 PM
I stripped the bike,all apart.put all mechanical parts in varsol.then i sat in my backyard with a soft brush and a hard scrub brush,very very hot water and alot of dish soap .started scrubbing everything.i used varsol on the bad stuff but kept removing it.and thats about it.i used mineral oil as a wipe,2.69 cheap,after it dried.and hasnt changed in 2 weeks.its not greasy either.i did make sure i wasnt digging at the paint,what there was of it.im sure it was lead based and pretty tough anyways.i did take along time 4 mnths part time,but was all worth it in the end.and i only spent about 8 bucks,but alot of hrs.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Warren on 2/6/2009 at 11:44:43 AM
I also love the restoration Mark. Looks all there including the Gibson pedals. I like the truss rod roadsters.
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 2/6/2009 at 12:06:42 PM
Wow. Your elbows must be squeaking like MAD, sir. Exceptionally done. Don't know if I would have been up to it myself.

Bravo!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - You can't drill for elbow grease....
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Chris on 2/6/2009 at 6:23:17 PM
I was wondering what make the rear hub is. It turned out well and you didn't spend money and get hung up in a chrome replate that went wrong or you didn't pick up the frame from the painters to find that it was done wrong. You have not had your heart broke, dreams dashed, and your wallet raided as what so often happens when folks try to restore a old bike. It looks good.
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Warren on 2/6/2009 at 8:13:26 PM
That looks like a Patent 1928 CCM Hercules rear hub. Great coaster brakes when they're dialed in. Massey Harris were part of the CCM amalgam in the first decade of the century
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by mark H on 2/6/2009 at 8:53:31 PM
thanks guys,i appreciate it coming from you guys on this site.the rear hub is a new hercules ccm.from what i have got from a few folks is.its an early hub pre 23.because it is stamped in block letters.i think it was written after 23.i will have to check.the hub was pretty good inside,i need a bit of weight to stop it dead.but i figure if its that old then its doing good.here is what i was told by a ccm collector--- Check your rear hub for markings. CCM made changes over the years. 1926 up to 1937 used the 1926 Hercules hub with Hercules in writing. I believe the earlier Hercules was in printing. After 1937 CCM used the 37 CCM hub.-----my hub is printed?

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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Kevin on 2/7/2009 at 1:40:29 AM
Those "Texas longhorn" handlebars look cool. Do you think they are aftermarket? What would it have had originally?
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Warren on 2/7/2009 at 5:50:21 AM
Sorry, I forgot it was 1926. Thanks for the early hub info...
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by mark H on 2/7/2009 at 6:40:47 AM
well i have 3 sets of handlebars for this bike.and i chose these because i have saw early pics of this style on this bike.this bike was sold in this town and kept in the family since new,and have got stories from as far back as 1952.i have been using archived photos and have found possibly where this bike may have come from.i used markings on the handlebar stem to see which one fit best,plus i like the pullbacks.


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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1958 Robin Hood - Ladies posted by: Mark on 2/3/2009 at 10:46:58 PM
1958 Raleigh Robin Hood Ladies - Looking for good, used, original parts, N.O.S., or replacement upgrade suggestions. 26 x 1-3/8 AE rims, front and rear brake cables, brake handles, brake calipers. Thanks.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1958 Robin Hood - Ladies posted by David on 2/5/2009 at 9:01:16 AM
Are you trying to put the Robin Hood back on the road? What do have now that's usable?
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1958 Robin Hood - Ladies posted by Mark on 2/8/2009 at 3:21:39 PM
Yes I'm going to put the Robin Hood back on the road. Frame, bottom bracket, head set, stem & bars, seat & post all are good. Wheels were fairly rusted out and it has a Archer-Sturmey SW 3-speed. It's being stripped and painted back up. I figure on replacing / upgrading some. It will be a ride.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1958 Robin Hood - Ladies posted by David on 2/8/2009 at 7:15:23 PM
My usual Sports ride is a 67 Robin Hood. I replaced the rusted black fenders with chrome Phillips ones, added a new B72, Dynohub with B&M headlight...great bike with the best headbadge!
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1958 Robin Hood - Ladies posted by Eric on 3/10/2009 at 5:30:13 AM
Good luck with your project. I have a 65' Rudge that needs the rear fender; otherwise it's complete and original. It had to have the seat stays re-brazed, as someone in the past had welded one of them that had come loose. But, it's a heck of a bike. Rides straight and true; only one I got that I trust to coast downhill with no hands.
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AGE / VALUE:   worked all afternoon cleaning a tri-coaster posted by: sam on 2/3/2009 at 6:13:46 PM
Got it all cleaned--put it back together,but will have to take it back apart--needs paw springs,new chain for the rod,and some balls.I'm impressed by the brake part.It's a drum brake of sorts---way better idea than their later models.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   worked all afternoon cleaning a tri-coaster posted by mark H on 2/3/2009 at 10:34:56 PM
its quite the thing isnt it!i just spent about 5 hrs messin with a pre 22 new hercules coasterbrake.it almost was superglued together,and i had a broken bearing race outer.i tried without luck,putting loose bearings,way down inside aaahhh.chasin balls all over tonight,doesnt sound like fun,does it.
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MISC:   I'm so outta main stream cycling....... posted by: Thom J. on 2/3/2009 at 2:43:50 PM
.......that I'll probably never find my way back. Last Saturday here in Los Angeles, Ca area was beautifull; for LA that is. The sky was kinda blue, no clouds, no wind and sunny in the mid 70's. A perfect day for riding but I didn't feel up to "going long" on the Raleigh Trent Sports. My Dr had changed my anti-depressant meds and I was feeling the ill side effects. So, I took the new/old DL-1 for a ride. There is just something about the DL-1 that the Sports, Trent Sports and R20 don't have.....a sort of gliding gracefull leisurly ride that is almost indescribable for those who have never experienced it. Anyway, I was doing fine until I hit a couple of bumps. The first one gave me the sensation of the saddle leather tearing. The second bump confirmed it. The old Brooks B72 tore in half. I made if home O.K. since I was only a short distance from the house. My wife wondered what I doing after I returned home and when I told her she said "I guess you'll have to buy a new seat". So I ordered a Brooks B73 in black from Wallingford today....should be here by the end of the week. It's supposed to rain this weekend....oh well, guess I'll try gluing the old B72 together and selling it on Craigslist as a nostagia piece and not as a ridable saddle. Now if I can only sell the old Univega, my retro-grouch Raleigh collection will be complete.....for now.....until the next really, really neat and deserving Raleigh crosses my path and deserves a good home. Thx for letter me share.....Thom J.
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           RE:MISC:   I'm so outta main stream cycling....... posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 2/4/2009 at 3:29:31 AM
YIKES! Catastrophic seat failure.... Can't say that's common at all.

Glad you escaped unscathed. Sorry to hear about the "side effects".... I was having horrible side effects from Zocor.... read - every last joint in my body felt like it had GLASS in it.

I miss riding the DL-1... or any of the other machines currently slumbering in the basement....

Took a tumble down the (short) back stairs due to the lovely ice coating... YakTrax and all... farking feet went right out from under....

The expletives echoing through the frozen Pocono Forest at 5:00 AM.... Amazing.... how cold (11 degrees F), dense air can carry sound.

NEW seat... NICE! Ride with PRIDE!

CHEERS

Larry "Boneman" Bone - seat failure here too... LANDING on mine....
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           RE:MISC:   I'm so outta main stream cycling....... posted by Thom J. on 2/4/2009 at 3:18:55 PM
Thx Larry. Hope your back's O.K. and nothings broken. Thom.
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           RE:MISC:   I'm so outta main stream cycling....... posted by David on 2/4/2009 at 8:46:46 PM
I put my visiting niece on a Sports that had come from the cellar across the street. B72 tore right at the nose rivets. I had a B66 tear there too. I think it's pretty common on old saddles that have gotten dry and haven't been ridden in ages.
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           RE:MISC:   I'm so outta main stream cycling....... posted by JDuck on 2/5/2009 at 7:55:07 AM
I bought a used B-72 on E-bay. It looked great and I went over it with Proofhide. I installed it on my Sports and went for a test ride. I didn't get 10 feet before it tore completely off at the nose. I didn't detect any defect at all when I carefully proofhided it!
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           RE:MISC:   I'm so outta main stream cycling....... posted by Thom J. on 2/5/2009 at 9:06:06 AM
David and JDuck- Thx for your input. I'm thinking of using some rubber cement to repair the tear and add a nylon type webbing on the underside of the saddle to re-enforce the torn area and add additional strength. Hoping that this will make the saddle somewhat usefull again. I'll keep you all updated. Thom.
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AGE / VALUE:   Truing stand posted by: mike on 2/3/2009 at 12:41:01 PM
I have an old ELDI three legged truing stand. Any ideas age value etc. I've never seen another one.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Truing stand posted by Chris on 2/3/2009 at 6:49:02 PM
keep it. these are too difficult to find and you would pay a lot to replace it.
Eldi makes awesome tools you really have something here. be patient if you are intending to sell this. take your time.
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AGE / VALUE:   1937 raleigh sports tourist on e- bay posted by: Chris on 2/3/2009 at 10:23:21 AM
$700.00? for this bike that should not fetch more than 60.00.

Over priced just a wee bit. I hear it all the time from folks who clearly have been smoking crack.

Ohh, that's old, tnat's an antique, they don't make these anymore! and because it's "displaying the patina of a bygone era" you are gonna get socked full price for it and pay thru the nose.

Seven hundred dollars is a heck of a lot of money!!
Will somebody please ask the seller where the arrived at this figure? Why $700.00?

How do they arrive at this amount. The psychology of pricing. I'm dying to know.


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   1937 raleigh sports tourist on e- bay posted by Kevin on 2/3/2009 at 11:00:00 AM
He's also taking offers. The idea is to put a big price on something, hope to snag a sucker, and if that doesn't work start considering lower offers. It's done every second of every day, all over the world.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   1937 raleigh sports tourist on e- bay posted by Thom J. on 2/3/2009 at 2:19:48 PM
Ditto. And if it doesn't sell then they'll start parting it out. Saw a seller with an old Lenton series bike a couple of weeks ago. Started with a bid of around $700.00 and a buy-it-now of $800.00. It didn't sell and a week later I saw bits and pieces from the bike up for sale. Too bad as an all original at a fair price would have been nice to preserve it. Thom.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1937 raleigh sports tourist on e- bay posted by Chris on 2/3/2009 at 6:47:19 PM
I guess I feel for the suckers, then. Thanks
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1937 raleigh sports tourist on e- bay posted by Chris on 2/3/2009 at 6:53:27 PM
people pull this crap at the estate sales. It's what has me agitated. Then the bikes gets thrown out and I get it for free but often something happens and I don't get it at all.

They have said, if you want it then pay the 700.00 or forget it altogether. too.
Anyways, it's wrong. the thing is not worth anywheres near the 700.00 asking price.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   1937 raleigh sports tourist on e- bay posted by Kevin on 2/3/2009 at 7:53:48 PM
No, that is now how the "Make An Offer" feature works. You can offer him $5 for the bike if you want to. It's up to the seller to accept it or reject it. He is only saying he would like to get $700 for it. That doesn't mean he won't take a lot less. What's wrong with that?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   1937 raleigh sports tourist on e- bay posted by Steve on 2/4/2009 at 3:22:54 AM
Well, how about this then.

Ebay item No: 120373066725

Cheap at half the price !

It's still stuck !
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1937 raleigh sports tourist on e- bay posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 2/4/2009 at 3:34:20 AM
$2499???? Must be some sort of currency conversion error going on.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Dollars... Ducats.... DUH
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1937 raleigh sports tourist on e- bay posted by Chris on 2/4/2009 at 8:32:07 AM
Kevin has a point, thanks
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AGE / VALUE:   my new bicycle book posted by: sam on 2/2/2009 at 6:39:28 PM
Got my new book on bicycle manfuring in Latvia.I'm impressed with the quality of the book.Written in Native Latvia and in English too.Great septa colored pics.Their bikes are mostly coaster brake roadsters---and very nice too.
http://www.velomuseum.tk/
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AGE / VALUE:   Roadster grips posted by: David Poston on 2/2/2009 at 12:21:11 PM
Does anyone know of a source for short (3-4") roadster grips in black rubber? The 1970s grips won't cut it--I need the barrel-shaped ones that would be correct for a pre-1950s cycle.

Has anyone tried Dial Patterns?

http://www.dialpatterns.co.uk/grippics1.html

I'm thinking #17, 18, or 19.

Alas, these don't come in rubber--only celluloid.
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