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AGE / VALUE:K shifters? posted by: sam on 1/4/2009 at 3:08:48 PM
Does a K hub have to have a K shifter?
What's special about a K shifter?
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RE:AGE / VALUE:K shifters? posted by Steve on 1/4/2009 at 4:23:23 PM
I'll stick my neck on the line and say that a K hub doesn't have to have a K shifter, it just looks right if it does.
In my opinion the K shifter is quite basic, obviously rarer but goes back that little bit further in time hence adds interest to a vintage machine.
Many elderly people have stopped me in the street and come out with the words "oh I remember when you used to change gear there" !

Steve
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AGE / VALUE: posted by: mark hercules -aka mark on 1/4/2009 at 2:35:19 PM
well in my trails recently,i was offered alot of dough for my generator.not knowing why i was offered this amount,i thought i would ask here.i probably wont sell but it piqued my interest.has anyone ever seen a gen like this?in the patent numbers there is a group of 94 and 96,i know it wasnt built in 1994.its a lucifer of unknown origin.thanks and it still works.


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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Malay and Indonesian English Bicycle Fans posted by: PRM on 1/4/2009 at 1:20:20 PM
Folks should check out this website and many of the links... You'll find some interesting pics of old British and Dutch bicycles (and vintage accessories for them) in Malaysia and Indonesia. Too bad I don't understand Malay or Bahasa Indonesia. Very neat pictures!

http://basikal.wordpress.com/
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:193?'s Humber posted by: Dave on 1/3/2009 at 9:48:35 PM
Hey fellas,

I posted some weeks ago about a bike that I picked up. I wanted to know what year it is and if the bike was a Raleigh made or an original Humber. Here are some things to note that I found out. The top tube shifter says "K model" and the hub is a ribbon style that says "sturmey archer 3 speed gears" with "patent" on it. I know that all previous 1935 hubs have those markings and 35'-37' had "england" stamp on it. Again, the bike has 28" Dunlops, the frame has M79988 12 stamped, B66 Brooks, Miller generator with Lucas lamp and bell. The pump is after market. The pannier is WWII related.

I tried to take most angles of the bike. Thanks guys for your help.
Dave

heres some pics:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/34062626@N08/3165836820/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34062626@N08/3165008447/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34062626@N08/3165836534/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34062626@N08/3165835410/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34062626@N08/3165005997/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34062626@N08/3165833140/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34062626@N08/3165003729/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34062626@N08/3165831068/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34062626@N08/3165830004/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34062626@N08/3165828948/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34062626@N08/3165827914/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34062626@N08/3165826818/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34062626@N08/3165825742/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34062626@N08/3165824762/






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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:193?'s Humber posted by Pete F. on 1/4/2009 at 4:25:42 AM
Hi Dave -
Nice looking bike and I think you are bang on with early 1930's, but not going to be so easy to identify. For a start could you tell the group why you think it may be a Raleigh or a Humber?
It does not have Raleigh or Humber front forks - Raleigh should have round 'thimbles' at the fork bridge, for Humber each fork leg should be a twin tube arrangement. I'd say the ends of the seat stays do not look like Raleigh either, compared to one in my shed. If you do think it is Raleigh or Humber, you should be aware that 1932 was the year Raleigh took over Humber.
The hub gear - any identification letter or year code on that? Should say K somewhere, possibly followed by a year number - i.e. K2 = K series hub made in 1932, this being the first year K series hubs were dated.
Other clues which might help are that chrome plating was generally introduced in the UK in 1930.
The only other observation I would make is that the chrome on the handlebars and front brake looks in much better condition than that on the brake levers or gear changer - could it be something of a hybrid?

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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:193?'s Humber posted by Dave on 1/5/2009 at 5:11:32 PM
Pete-
The hub itself does not have anything inscribed other than what I mentioned above. I've even brought out the magnifying glass to check for details.
You said that K series hubs were dated starting in 32'. If my hub is not marked, the obvious would be that it is older than 32'.
It being older than 32' would then make it a true Humber. Right?

I've also been a little curious about the chrome. Both the shifter and handlebars seem to have the same style of deterioration. However, the brake rods seem to have chrome, black, and rust color in random spots, but obviously alot more deteriorated.

On the previous post, someone mentioned how squarish and thin the mudguards were in comparison to post Raleigh. Either its a hybrid or someone with the knowledge has not posted yet.

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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:193?'s Humber posted by Pete F on 1/6/2009 at 6:47:39 AM
Dave -
What makes you think it is a Humber? does it have a headbadge or transfers? If you take the 'pie plate' off the chainguard does it have a Humber chainwheel (little men running round)?

I think you are right about the date - to the best of my knowledge a chrome plated, undated K series hub should be post 1930, pre 1932. That dates the hub, at least. I got that date from Tony Hadland's Sturmey Archer book.

I'd agree about the mudguards - they don't look Raleigh to me.

regards, Pete F.
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:193?'s Humber posted by Dave on 1/6/2009 at 11:33:52 AM
Pete-
The chainwheel is a Humber, very well preserved. On the chaincase, there are two golden (very faint) colored marks. The top one is half of the Humber emblem and the bottom has the letters "UMB".
It may be hard to see it, but its there.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/34062626@N08/3173825239/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34062626@N08/3165835410/sizes/l/in/photostream/

Other than that, there aren't any other markings on the bike. Some red pinstripe might be visible here and there.

I was wondering if the hole on the front mudguard was due to some sort of "figuring" that was placed on it. Heres a picture of what I am talking about.

http://www.hairyberries.com/bike/bike_front_fender_2_sm.jpg

Oh, and I'll be digging through Tony's site, looks interesting. Thanks

Good Day.
Dave


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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:193?'s Humber posted by Pete F on 1/6/2009 at 1:40:21 PM
Dave -
I reckon you've got the real thing there - a proper original pre Raleigh Humber. I see the letters 'UMB' on the chaincase.

Have a look at the oldroads picture database - there is a very nice 1938 Humber there. By then of course it has Raleigh pattern mudguards and brake rods, which accounts for yours being different, i.e. probably original. I expect the hole in th efront mudguard once held some personal mascot or other.

Note it still has the same fork crown as your machine - I don't know when the split front fork came in, yours is new to me, but always ready to learn.

So there you have it - I'd be happy to call it a pre 1932, pre Raleigh original Humber, and a really very nice machine too. I hope it rides as good as it looks and wish you all the best with it.

best regards,
Pete F.
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:193?'s Humber posted by Dave on 1/6/2009 at 6:20:10 PM
Everything on the bike works just dandy-smooth as butter. And to think, the person I received the bike from was going to donate it to a local thrift. Simply stunning!

Thanks again Pete for your expertness on the subject. You've been plenty of help.

Thanks.
Dave
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:193?'s Humber posted by Kevin on 1/7/2009 at 2:26:44 PM
I'm glad you rescued it, Dave. Original, pre-war roadsters such as that are great bikes to ride, and they're getting hard to find. Most people these days insist on shiny, but junky, mountain bikes. Some thrift shops would have taken one look at a bike that old and consigned it to the landfill. It will still be rolling down the road long after the Chinese mountain bikes are gone.
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AGE / VALUE:Info on Torpedo hubs posted by: sam on 1/3/2009 at 4:26:38 PM
Can be found at:
http://bernd.sluka.de/Fahrrad/55/index.html
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Info on Torpedo hubs posted by sam on 1/3/2009 at 4:30:01 PM
And a lot more info on the home site
http://bernd.sluka.de/
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Sturmey Archer 3 speeds posted by: Pete F. on 1/3/2009 at 4:01:49 AM
Just a question about SA 3 speeds - I've got a 1935 K series hub in bits on the workbench at present and the gear ring pawls need replacing - one had rusted in, so the other had done all the work and is worn beyond re-use.
I don't have replacements, but I do have a very good pair of pawls from an AW hub which fit, and are almost (but not quite) identical in profile.
I was just wondering if anyone has tried this option? I'm going to give it a go anyway, so either way I'll post my findings.

Thanks , Pete F.
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Sturmey Archer 3 speeds posted by Steve on 1/3/2009 at 8:16:10 AM
Pete, I've not tried this option, but suspect I might have to in the near future.
I have a K4 hub in a Hercules that makes a noise that you would expect to hear on something like a traction engine coasting down a hill, it's an interesting and pleasant noise and the bike rides well with no gear slippage (or smoke), but somehow I don't think it's supposed to be like that !

Out of interest, do the pawls need filing down or building up ?
Look forward to reading your findings.

Steve - full steam ahead !
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Sturmey Archer 3 speeds posted by Pete F on 1/3/2009 at 11:29:38 AM
Steve - That does not sound like a good noise for a K4 to be making....I'd say an inspection is warranted.

In answer to your question - no, the pawls do not need any modification and they are a perfect fit. The only difference I can see is on the 'inside' face, the side that must engage with the clutch. This has a profile slightly different to the original K series pawls.

Could be a while before I will know if it works, I have quite a bit of other work to do before I can assemble the bike - a 1935 Sunbeam being dragged back into service.

Regards,
Pete F.

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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Sturmey Archer 3 speeds posted by Matthew on 1/4/2009 at 11:41:50 AM
Easy answer; Take out K-series inners and replace with AW inners. More robust and durable. No danger in riuning your K-series and no one (except you) will know.

Matthew - its all about being practical
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Sturmey Archer 3 speeds posted by Steve on 1/4/2009 at 2:01:45 PM
You've got me all confused now, I did wonder why I had a three foot Fowler regulator as opposed to a S/A quadrant shifter on the top tube.
God knows, I might even have David Brown innards in my K4 !

Steve - it's all about being extractable, insertable and serviceable (in one pieceable) !
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Sturmey Archer 3 speeds posted by Pete F on 1/4/2009 at 3:31:39 PM
Thanks Matthew - hadn't thought of that one. Presumably you just keep the K shell, change everything else? I'll keep it as a 'get out of jail' card.
I put it all together this afternoon and initial signs - just pulling on the indicator chain - are good - there are at least three gears in there somewhere. I'll go very gingerly when the wheel is back in the bike.

Pete F - back to work...
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AGE / VALUE:help with dating my newly purchased raleigh tourist roadster posted by: mike fite on 1/1/2009 at 8:15:12 PM
serial number is Nb1411172
great condition, fully enclosed chain case red and gold pinstriping. everything OG. pedal, crank with herons, even OG raleigh stamped tires. i just wanna know what year it is?

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RE:AGE / VALUE:help with dating my newly purchased raleigh tourist roadster posted by mike fite on 1/1/2009 at 8:30:50 PM
made in england nottingham
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RE:AGE / VALUE:help with dating my newly purchased raleigh tourist roadster posted by Warren on 1/2/2009 at 6:22:21 AM
Is there a date stamp on the SA rear hub?
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RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:help with dating my newly purchased raleigh tourist roadster posted by Chris on 1/2/2009 at 9:37:40 AM
We are the authority on these bikes! Pull up a chair.
We could use some pictures of the bike. The Sturmey- Archer hub in the rear wheel has a date stamped on it. it'll say 8 74 or something like that and that means August of 1974 yours will have a date stamp too most likely, there are exceptions.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:help with dating my newly purchased raleigh tourist roadster posted by mike fite on 1/2/2009 at 10:16:43 AM
just found it! it a 1981 UK edition raleigh tourist. im super stoked to have this bike,

NOW how do i adjust the rod brakes? if i raise the handle bars im gonna need to adjust the rod brakes right?


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RE:AGE / VALUE:help with dating my newly purchased raleigh tourist roadster posted by mark hercules,,,aka mark on 1/2/2009 at 10:55:29 AM
it looks like there at there limit already.i could be wrong though.just mark with a marker where everything was before you undo the linkages.looks like a 22 inch frame.since the headstock is short you wont get much height.my handlebars on my hercules is at the limit and its fine.just use some oil on the linkages before adjustment.there finicky to adjust dont be in a hurry.nice bike by the way!!!
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RE:AGE / VALUE:help with dating my newly purchased raleigh tourist roadster posted by Matthew on 1/4/2009 at 11:46:55 AM
I agree with Mark about adjustment. Do be careful, the handlebar stem probably has a safe limit marked on it; don't exceed the limit, the results could be catastrophic.

You need to find a 'pie tin' and slider to cover the hole in the chain case/ Without the pie tin the chain case becomes a muck trap and does as much harm as good.

Matthew - a bit of a case.
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AGE / VALUE:1930's Paris, Texas bike on e- bay. posted by: Chris on 1/1/2009 at 5:36:05 PM
Wow! This is totally magical. And it was made in Paris, Texas.
Take a look at e- bay item # 130276180195 1930's Alexander Rocket bike

Wow! Take a look at the front fork on this!

I'll try to see what I can dig up on the company.

Even though it is very probable and quite likely that by now there is nothing left of the old factory building, the back stock in a store room, or other traces of it.

There are many collectors about. But still, miracles do happen, there are still bubbles in time out there.

In my hunting I was simply at it regularily, and consistently and I held the belief in my being that if I simply went looking and believed I would find cool things. That I would find stuff.

I did. I was stunned and telling myself there are collectors about, bicycle collectors, the rivals and competition and what was a young upstart like me gonna find? But you know what? Dispite the facts there were people like Joe and a lot of bicycle collectors all literally up and down 14 mile road wheather they were in Royal oak, Fraiser, back in Franklin Towhnship or whereever. Yes, I rubbed shoulder and ran slap bang into more than a few of them. Still what all I found, bought, sold, saw, was really no less than pure magic.

I don't know what is left of this company in Paris, Texas but you never know until you go yourself to see. Yes, Most likely it will be a wild goose chase. So stop at other places for other things along the way. Hit the antique stores and restaurants and out of the way, off the beaten path but go explore and search. You might just be saying Oh, My oly Crap! and there it will be, before you.

The basements, full of stuff are still out there. One time it was a Schwinn store and I asked a Schwinn collector how everybody else had missed it and here I was the Raleigh nut the Anti- Schwinn guy who was only into British stuff and I was the one to find it. His eyes glistened and he sat there quiet. I had already blown him away with what I brought over. And that was not an easy thing to do it was the other way around he blew the visitor away with what he had in his collection.

I would call people. Ok, you are supposed to be here, kicking my tail, being the winner, buying it all out, I am just the little fish so why am I the winner by default? Where are you? Why didn't you show up? I got it. I bought it all.

Sick, out of money, wife had the car, they forgot, they had to go back, truck broke down, wife threw away the auction notice because she doesn't want any more bikes. So you, unknown to everybody, at 17 years old you step in and clean up the goodies.

Why me? Because I was at hand. Or the only one to come looking for it all, or the one to come at the right time, or just the dumb luck of the bling crazy squirrel and I think that the gods see my tenacity and dediccation and they say "Oh lets throw this one a good meaty bone once and a while."

If it is gone, try to find the history on the company from the old timers who live there so you can do some good for adding it to the bike history on the bike web sites.

Anyways, I know this is no English roadster. It is interesting to me because this was made here in Texas. The interesting and odd and funny thing is the best oranges I have eaten here are the oranges from trees that people who have a tree or trees in the own backyard neglect and forget about. The tree drops oranges on the ground and nobody licks them off the tree or prevents the waste. They take it for granted and don't care to be bothered picking them and getting permission and cutting a deal to get them properly and legally is not always easy even if you offer them money. People don't want to be bothered and if they don't know me and they don't then the answer usually and I said usually is going to be NO.

The interesting thing is, these are the very best, juciest, marvelous eating oranges out there. Not in the markets, not in the selection of vendors, and Forget Walmart! No, these that are grown in the neighborhoods are the juciest and best I have ever had. Back home, we went Pappa Georgios for produce and fish and groceries and it was very, upscale, the best from around the world all flown in, the best meat, fish, liquor, produce and gourmet everything. The lot full of Lexus, and Mercedes Benz and we spent a lot there every visit especially the Godiva chocolate but you know what? These are the best oranges I have ever had and I love and buy oranges all the time.

I see these rotting on the ground and it amazes me to the core. People are strange. In closing, I pulled a lot of things, bike stuff, collectors kill for, pay top dollar for and where did I find it? In the dumpster of the owner of the shop. A lot of it was free, for those willing to drive and rescue it.
bicycle collecting is not difficult just requires dedication, faith, and it gets tricky. The tricky thing is you believing your own good fortune and not selling something until you really know what it is that you have found and being prepared to wait and wait and not mess it up by being impatient.


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RE:AGE / VALUE:1930's Paris, Texas bike on e- bay. posted by mark hercules on 1/1/2009 at 7:05:56 PM
what a stunning bike!great post,i understand i do the same with apples,make stuff eat them.there mostly regarded as a bothersome entity,when there is a grocery store with crappy apples, to buy them in.that sums up most of the bicycles i get,until there fixed up then humans show interest.strange how things have turned out.corporations keep building junk,when there is more than enough already available.backwards planet.well im off to listen to my am radio on a 1944 tube radio.i guess humans think im backwards.ha....
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RE:AGE / VALUE:1930's Paris, Texas bike on e- bay. posted by Kevin on 1/2/2009 at 5:15:36 AM
If I had that much money to spend on an old bicycle, I'd take the Pedersen, hands down ...
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RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:1930's Paris, Texas bike on e- bay. posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 1/2/2009 at 6:27:58 AM
And a Sturmey Archer hub even.....

A fascinating machine. He's also selling a Monarch, an Elgin and an Evinrude.

Scary...

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Droolin'.....
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RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:1930's Paris, Texas bike on e- bay. posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 1/2/2009 at 7:48:17 AM
BTW.... my Mom grows Oranges... Bananas... Papayas... all in her back yard in S. FLA. The most amazingly delicious fruit I've ever eaten....

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - droolin all over again... ;-P
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RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:1930's Paris, Texas bike on e- bay. posted by Chris on 1/2/2009 at 9:45:59 AM
I forgot to add to my above post that you want to look for the things that have fallen between the cracks. The magical things. This bike, making it this far, in this condition, means that it fell between the cracks. It didn't get melted down in some pre- war scrap drive. Incredible.

I have seen shops and places that have fallen between the cracks.
Sure, the place where this was made may be all re- developed into a Walmart but you just never know.
I didn't notice the Sturmey- Archer hub.

And yes, that Dursley Pederson went far, far too cheaply. Those go quite high.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:1930's Paris, Texas bike on e- bay. posted by Pete on 1/2/2009 at 5:10:11 PM
As they say "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" I'm with the others ,,,spend the cash on the Dursley Pederson.To me it looks cheap and tacky with more than a passing resemblance to ET.Each to their own I guess.
Pete......not too impressed
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RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:1930's Paris, Texas bike on e- bay. posted by Chris on 1/4/2009 at 8:46:18 AM
I understand your point and as adults, we want the Dursley and especiually at that price but when was the last time you saw a childs bike with so much magic and especially with those forks?
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Interesting Bike posted by: JS on 12/31/2008 at 10:20:21 PM
Thought you guys might like to take a look a tthe interesting bike I found. To me, the patina on this bike made it perfect. A beautiful example, mellowed with age.

http://www.flyingpigeonproject.org

As always, your comments are appreciated.
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Interesting Bike posted by Kevin on 1/1/2009 at 5:04:49 AM
Beautiful! What a mellow, lovely old machine. I'd love to know the history of that one. Does anyone know the purpose of the metal band wrapped around the Raleigh headbadge? I thought that the photos of the various old prop stands also was interesting.
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Interesting Bike posted by JS on 1/1/2009 at 5:47:38 AM
"Does anyone know the purpose of the metal band wrapped around the Raleigh headbadge? "

Kevin-

That part is easy. Its a Beijing bike registration.
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RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Interesting Bike posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 1/1/2009 at 6:32:37 AM
Simply a wonderful machine. If ever there was one with a tale to tell... if only it could talk, eh?

Meanwhile.... the propstands... or Kickstands as we yanks would call them are awesome! I had never seen such things before.

Not for nothing... and only from viewing your blog sir, one would get the impression that the majority of machines in use in China are of the classic Roadster design.

It still amazes me.... that folks ride those machines to the factories where they crank out the innumerable and cheap techno-marvels they sell here at the local Wal*Mart.

I would love to hear what they think of the machines they're making.

Cheers and Happy New Year!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - they're steeds over there.....
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Interesting Bike posted by Kevin on 1/1/2009 at 11:43:05 AM
IT's nice to know that the Chinese still use their roadsters. We were in Ireland in May, drove 1,000 miles through town and country, and saw only two older bicycles still in use. A couple of vintage delivery bikes were being used for display purposes outside shops in Galway and Limerick.
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Interesting Bike posted by sam on 1/1/2009 at 3:46:43 PM
Really cool prop-stands.
I think your mistery drum 3 speed is a version of a F&S hub.
They used that screw in ratch.
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Interesting Bike posted by JS on 1/1/2009 at 7:10:46 PM
Thanks for the comments guys.

Sam- Thanks for the tip on the F&S hub. I know nothing about those but will check into it.
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Interesting Bike posted by JS on 1/1/2009 at 8:49:01 PM
One other question guys:

Do you know the origin of the LOW bars on the bike? What raleigh model are they from? Or are they some kind off accessory part?
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Interesting Bike posted by Geoff Rogers on 1/2/2009 at 11:31:38 AM
I noted with interest the bike with the Endrick rear rim and still rod brakes attached. Yipes! If you used the rear brake, it would either just slide past the rim and rub the sidewalls of the rear tire, or jam itself in tightly and make the brake lock on, if not forever, at least until further notice. Maybe that's a better name for some of these old machines: "The Until Further Notice Roadster."

And the Five Rams headbadge looks suspiciously similar to a Raleigh heron, eh? What a coincidence!

Geoff
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Interesting Bike posted by JS on 1/2/2009 at 6:54:13 PM
Geoff-

RE the rims: They look like are plain old Westwood rims, with a rolled edge and no sidewall. Not endricks, so no danger of bad braking.

Also the Five Rams head badge is a pretty precise representation of the famous Five Rams Statue in Guangzhou, seen here.

http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/p/m/115a6e/

So it really is only coincidence that it looks vaguely like the heron badge.

-JS


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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Interesting Bike posted by Geoff Rogers on 1/5/2009 at 1:50:33 PM
JS,
I misspoke about the Phoenix rim. I agree, that's a Westwood, but the next pic down, a Five Rams, looks like it has an Endrick rear rim to me. In fact, you can see the side of the rim is all shiny where the brake block has been rubbing. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
I still think the Five Rams headbadge is pretty Raleigh-like, at least at first glance.
It's nice to see so many roadsters still being used. Maybe we're not so odd after all, eh.
Geoff
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:1920s butcher's bike for sale posted by: Kevin on 12/30/2008 at 8:10:08 PM
See buy-sell ads at this site. Not my bike -- just thought I'd alert our English friends. Seller wants 200 pounds for it.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Lucas headlamp posted by: Dave on 12/30/2008 at 3:33:26 PM
I recently purchased a Lucas KOTR headlamp and a battery for it. I'm having trouble trying to figure out how to install the battery. The battery is a 1289 4.5v "boxed" battery that has two (short and long) charge arms that come out from the top.

The headlamp has a battery placement inside and one charge arm that I have no clue what it touches. I already had a little spark occur.

Any help with the installation?
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MISC:YURIN CYCLE WORKS posted by: mike fite on 12/29/2008 at 7:15:29 PM
i just purchased a vintage bike from a gentleman who thinks its pre war chinese utility bike. its not a flying pigeon but it has all the same distinguishing parts. its front crest says yurin works and has japanese or chinese characters on fenders and well as rims and tires say national hyper tire. it also say kaikatu cycle on rear fender and has a sanyo rear fender lamp. the chain guard says "special" on it as well as other jap or chin character. its rod brake system and rear drum brake. i am looking for replacement parts and alittle hisotry on this company.

if anyone can help i would seriously appreciate it im just a loss and really want to restore this bike!!!!!

i can email pics of bike if that helps
thanks mike fite
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RE:MISC:YURIN CYCLE WORKS posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/30/2008 at 9:25:42 AM
Sounds quite interesting. I'm sure I'm not alone saying that pictures would be greatly appreciated. As to spares, etc., that may be a tall order... however, many of the parts on rod brake machines are available.

Post up some pictures if you can. Will be much easier for us to come up with any determinations.

Absolutely sounds like it would be a great project for restoration. Especially since it sounds quite unique!

Look forward to seeing images!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - a picture might be worth a thousand words... but words download faster.
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RE:MISC:YURIN CYCLE WORKS posted by David on 12/30/2008 at 5:00:06 PM
Sounds Japanese. Are all the characters Chinese ("kanji") or are some of them Japanese characters? The Japanese characters are much simpler in form (surf over to a Japanese web site to see). I'd expect to see a mixture of the two on a Japanese bike but only the Chinese characters on a Chinese one.
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RE:RE:MISC:YURIN CYCLE WORKS posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/31/2008 at 5:12:54 AM
Mike sent a few pics over. Very interesting machine indeed. You can check them out here:

http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/bonemanrides/Yurin/

Thanks to Mike for sharing his find with us!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - I don't think it would be called that in English speaking regions.... ;-)
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RE:MISC:YURIN CYCLE WORKS posted by mike fite on 12/31/2008 at 7:19:53 AM
thanks for throwing them up! im not super computer savy....
i found out today that the tire size is 26 by 1 3/4
i went to 3 bike shops no one wanted to touch it?? a can of worms they say!
they also said i would be hard pressed to find tires due to the rims being rolled instead of the modern style rims.
one guy said the tires looked to be pre WWII. im at a loss with this machine. im starting to think that there is no way to get this back on the road. changing rims would be drastic due to the rod brakes not matching up to modern rim.

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RE:MISC:YURIN CYCLE WORKS posted by Steve on 12/31/2008 at 8:02:49 AM

The down tube characters are clearly Japanese (Yurin bicycle).

It does sound disappointing to change the rims, but you should be able to use English 26" rims for rod/caliper brakes (Westrick?) if you want to.
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RE:RE:MISC:YURIN CYCLE WORKS posted by Chris on 12/31/2008 at 4:38:22 PM
Be patient. There are more than one ways to peel a bananana even a Japanese one. With some searching you can find these tires.
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RE:MISC:YURIN CYCLE WORKS posted by JS on 12/31/2008 at 10:20:12 PM
Mike-

Definitely Japanese and not Chinese, but I have my doubts about this being a pre-war bike.

1. Is the rear brake a drum or a contracting band? It looks like the contracting band type that I am familiar with. In which case it could be a bit moe modern than suggested, although the brake could always have been added later.

2. Sanyo was incorporated in 1950, so those components would not be pre-war either. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanyo
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RE:MISC:YURIN CYCLE WORKS posted by mike fite on 12/31/2008 at 10:38:44 PM
yes your right it is a contracting band! and the sanyo light or reflector threw me off. its just all the rest of the bike just looks ancient! the rims are whats really making me wonder becuase they look rolled and i have never seen anything like that (although im not and expert by any means)

i am thinking of trying to find a place to send these wheels to!
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RE:MISC:YURIN CYCLE WORKS posted by JS on 1/1/2009 at 4:52:57 AM
Mike-

I looked over your pics quite closely and I really don't see anything that would make me think the bike is pre-war....but I really don't know anything about the brand history either. It looks like a lot of late model brake rod roadsters that we see here in China. But anything is possible, and the bike sure makes a great story.

Also, the tire size is no problem. It is readily available for old Schwinns at Harris Cyclery, probably at Menetomy and a thousand other shops too.

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/tires/571s.html

By "Rolled" rim do you mean it has rounded sides like a westwood? Not sure why this would be a problem for a modern tire.

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RE:MISC:YURIN CYCLE WORKS posted by mike fite on 1/1/2009 at 8:30:21 AM
yes the rim is rounded. like i said im not an expert on bike, im kinda new to this.
my LBS told me this is going to be impossible to find tires to fit these rims, i am going to email harris cyclry this morning with a few questions.

happy new year to everyone
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RE:RE:RE:MISC:YURIN CYCLE WORKS posted by brian good on 2/16/2009 at 5:08:53 PM
We have a bike (Yurin) wondering if this bike could be worth anything.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Best Multi-Tool for 1969 Raleigh Sports? posted by: Mark on 12/28/2008 at 3:00:46 PM
Just got an old 1969 Raleigh Sports and will be using it to commute to work. Does anyone have recommendations on the best multi-tool to have in case of flats, etc? I already have a small adjustable wrench, patch kit, tire levers, and pump in the saddle bag. Thanks!
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Best Multi-Tool for 1969 Raleigh Sports? posted by mark on 12/28/2008 at 3:15:46 PM
i always bring a piece of bailing wire,incase my shifter cable breaks,pull out shifter mechanism,wire tie it to something.i have ridden across very hilly territory in 3rd gear not fun.adjustable is all i bring.and i stop when i get a flat,and just pull the tire from rim where it is leaking.no need usually to take the whole wheel off.
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RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Best Multi-Tool for 1969 Raleigh Sports? posted by Chris on 12/28/2008 at 5:58:53 PM
There was a small pressed steel spanner that Raleigh made. It does the headset and cotter pin nuts and front and rear axle nuts it undoes the handle bar nut and is has the catch for the bottom braket adjustable cup ring.
this tool is a requirement for working on these bikes and it is the best place to start ones tool collection.
I bought up hundreds of these and also the heron's head lamp brackets. Now, they are all gone. Sold off. I never dreamed these would go for 5.00 and 10.00 each and the brackets for 20.00 each. The wonderful lunacy of e- bay!
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Best Multi-Tool for 1969 Raleigh Sports? posted by Warren on 12/28/2008 at 6:58:02 PM
If your saddle bag is big enough, keep a spare tube. Ever try to patch a tube in rain or snow? A small rag is always useful.

I like Marks wire idea and I also have a spoke wrench on my key chain. When a spoke breaks you can quickly true up the wheel to prevent brake pad rub.

Multi tools are best for modern road bikes with allen key fittings. Even then, I prefer to have individual tools rather than a multi. The overall quality and usefulness is better.
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Best Multi-Tool for 1969 Raleigh Sports? posted by Mark Garzon on 12/28/2008 at 11:17:23 PM
Thanks for the suggestion guys! I will definitely pack those items mentioned. And yeah, eBay is crazy. Just paid ten dollars on a light bracket for an ongoing bullet light LED conversion. It goes to show that all those little things we take for granted now will fetch big bucks on eBay in the future.
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RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Best Multi-Tool for 1969 Raleigh Sports? posted by Chris on 12/29/2008 at 8:59:23 AM
The best multi tool for a Raleigh Sports from 1969 is the flat pressed spanner Raleigh included when you bought the bike. A spoke wrench and individual tools wrapped in a tool roll. A patch kit, extra tubes, a decent air pump that really works, extra bulbs for your light kit.
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RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Best Multi-Tool for 1969 Raleigh Sports? posted by Chris on 12/29/2008 at 7:51:29 PM
The over all quality and usefullness of seperate tools is better, as Warren said.
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AGE / VALUE:We may need to clean out our junk/parts boxs posted by: sam on 12/27/2008 at 3:08:25 PM
How manny of these did I through away because it didn't have the light?
ebay#270320208656
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RE:AGE / VALUE:We may need to clean out our junk/parts boxs posted by Matthew on 12/28/2008 at 3:02:08 PM
I think I should keep receipts and bags from cycle shops because they will be worth more than my pension soon.

A Raliegh branded alloy kickstand sold on eBay UK for over 20 recently, in used condition. What credit crunch?

Matthew - the munificent
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RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:We may need to clean out our junk/parts boxs posted by Chris on 12/28/2008 at 6:02:13 PM
I have sold the Raleigh branded alloy kickstand before e- bay for 100.00 each and he was glad to get it.

One fellow was voracious. Credited me with being "the king of small parts" this meant things like break tube eye bolts and rod brake parts and the rare stuff.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:We may need to clean out our junk/parts boxs posted by Kevin on 12/29/2008 at 5:10:19 AM
I bought a nice woman's Superbe for $30 just to get the Raleigh alloy kickstand. It also had a great Brooks saddle and working Dynohub. I figure I can use the whole bike for parts and save a lot of money over time.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:C'mon. Mathauser brake pads for $185! posted by: Mike on 12/26/2008 at 9:41:39 AM
Ebay 250333976513. You can buy a set of these for less than $20! He does include free shipping though.
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RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:C'mon. Mathauser brake pads for $185! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/27/2008 at 7:22:38 AM
And what.... the metal bits are platinum?

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Stop me!
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RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:C'mon. Mathauser brake pads for $185! posted by Chris on 12/27/2008 at 8:54:26 AM
Where do you think he buys these? sure he pays $20.00 and marks it up to $185.00 and crazy, impatient, "buy it now" people who don't know our sources, these people pay it.

Ka- ching! also, "you have to make it expensive so people think they are getting something worth having" I keep hearing the above qoute and it makes me shudder.
I still have my little black book of sources for stuff.
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