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MISC:   How to Pack and Ship a Bicycle posted by: Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles on 12/26/2008 at 8:13:51 AM
We've added instructions on how to pack and ship a cycle.
It is under "Technical Resources" at the top of every page.
If we missed anything, please let us know.
-Vin


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           RE:MISC:   How to Pack and Ship a Bicycle posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/27/2008 at 7:20:30 PM
Excellent. Uhm... not to be overtly picky but in step 14 you might want to change "bad" to "bag".

Other than that, it looks good!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Spell Czech nose knot....
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           RE:RE:MISC:   How to Pack and Ship a Bicycle posted by Vin on 12/28/2008 at 6:18:44 AM
Oy! Thanks
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AGE / VALUE:   this would be an interesting way to travel posted by: sam on 12/24/2008 at 8:46:44 PM
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1919-Sunbeam-Simplex-Cyclemotor-Autocycle-Vintage-Bike_W0QQitemZ270312842145QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Motorcycles?hash=item270312842145&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1299%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   this would be an interesting way to travel posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/26/2008 at 8:58:19 AM
THAT... is simply amazing. 104cc's and rod brakes. I would thing one must have a sense of daring to ride it... but then, 104cc's in 1919 were not quite the same as modern machines.

Still... I bet it would roll along quite smartly!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Simplex... indeed!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   this would be an interesting way to travel posted by Keith Body on 12/29/2008 at 10:13:01 AM
That engine never ran on the sunbeam. More interesting is the 2 speed epicyclic in the chainwheel.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dynamo/Gear Hub Question posted by: JS on 12/24/2008 at 7:38:59 PM
Here is a christmas question for you:

I have a gearhub.
I have a bottle dynamo.

The only place to really mount the dynamo is on the rear right down pillar....right where the cable from the gear hub is supposed to go and it looks like there will be some interference problems with the dynamo mounting bracker.

I'm sure in the entire history of roadsters I am not the only one with this problem. How have other's dealt with it?

Also, more articles and pictures are posted on my blog at:

http://www.flyingpigeonproject.org

Interested in your opinions as always.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dynamo/Gear Hub Question posted by JS on 12/25/2008 at 12:11:39 AM
Never mind...I'll just route the bowden cable on the front down tube...although I like it running across the top bar better.

If you ahve another suggestion, I'm open to it.
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dynamo/Gear Hub Question posted by Warren on 12/25/2008 at 8:48:24 AM
Are you sure about the dynamo placement? Usually you mount them on the left rear chainstay toward the front of the bike. There's less chance of the dynamo getting caught and sucked into the rear triangle with possible dire consequences.

Here's an example...

http://tinyurl.com/9aaal4
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           RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dynamo/Gear Hub Question posted by Warren on 12/25/2008 at 9:00:03 AM
Sorry...seatstay, not chainstay.
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dynamo/Gear Hub Question posted by Chris on 12/25/2008 at 7:04:08 PM
I remember the blue grey rubber tire driven dynamo caps for the bottle generators. Supposed to reduce tire wear.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dynamo/Gear Hub Question posted by JS on 12/25/2008 at 8:09:47 PM
"Are you sure about the dynamo placement? Usually you mount them on the left rear seatstay toward the front of the bike."


Warren-

Thanks for the reply.

I am quite certain about the position.

The bottle dynamo has a feature that allows you to flip it outward so that it will not contact the tire when you don't need the lights. If you mount it on the left side as you had noted, this will not work.

Your mounting position is the same as mine...just on the opposite side of the bike. So i don't think the danger of entanglement is any more or less.
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dynamo/Gear Hub Question posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/26/2008 at 9:03:04 AM
Interestingly enough, the "Miller" Bottle Gennie that came on the Abley (Roadster from India) mounted on the right chainstay. First time I had ever seen such a thing.

Of course, being a single speed machine, there was no cable to contend with. Still, I thought it certainly different.

Perhaps it's an "Asian" thing?

Meanwhile, re-routing the shifter cable would seem the solution. I've seen them routed both high and low (always low on the ladies frames) on any variety of machines.

Cheers

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Bottled electricity.
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dynamo/Gear Hub Question posted by Warren on 12/26/2008 at 10:20:24 AM
Perhaps I'm conceptually challenged here but I can't see how it is not possible to mount any dynamo on the other side of the bike. I've just "tested" two models. On the left chainstay, the dynamo is on the front side of the stay and when mounted on the right stay it is toward the rear of the bike. The "flip out" feature functions the same. Try it.

Or can someone confirm that I've eaten way too much turkey and should seek professional help.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dynamo/Gear Hub Question posted by Steve on 12/26/2008 at 5:32:47 PM
I've recently stripped both Hopper and Raleigh single speed trade bikes/cycle trucks (approx 1940/50's vintage) with the bottle dynamos fitted on the right hand seat stay !
Not 100% sure if they were original fitments though !

Steve
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dynamo/Gear Hub Question posted by Steve on 12/26/2008 at 5:35:28 PM
One of the above bikes had been converted to a conventional three speed, but the the bottle dynamo was still mounted on the right hand seat stay.

Steve - oops
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dynamo/Gear Hub Question posted by JS on 12/27/2008 at 12:33:50 AM
Warren-

On my dynamo there are only two positions where the flip function wil work:

1. Right seat stay facing FORWARD.

2. Left seat stay facing REARWARD.

However this last position will not work. The key here is the direction of the contact wheel spins on the dynamo. If I mount it on the left side the direction of the spin on the contact wheel is incorrect and it will unscrew itself from the dynamo after contacting the rotating tire sidewall.

This is from experience...I've tried it in that position.

Therefore the right seatstay facing forward is the only position where both the flip function and the dynamo will function.

Sounds like your dynamo is a bit more flexible than mine in your choice of mountings.

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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dynamo/Gear Hub Question posted by Keith Body on 12/27/2008 at 10:44:37 AM
UK "dynamos" (actually alternator not generator) were made to fit the righthand seat stay, because the rear light would be mounted either on the dyno mounting or a seperate clip because this is the off-side of the bike in UK. Most could be mounted on the left or on the front fork.
Some were intended to be single wire, earth through the frame. I always fitted twin earth return, otherwise the mounting clip had to find bare metal on the frame. Depends what dynamo you have but I would expect your gear wire to clear it easily. Take care tightening the mounting, it can damage the frame.
Keith
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dynamo/Gear Hub Question posted by Keith Body on 12/27/2008 at 11:53:13 AM
Forgot, top pulley would have a locknut, typically the thread would be close to 3/16" by 32 tpi or 2BA.

Also your mystery Chinese epicyclic, can't tell from the pics, but is it possible to change gear by backpedal?
Keith
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dynamo/Gear Hub Question posted by Chris on 12/30/2008 at 8:44:28 AM
Back in Michigan my pal up the street had one similar to what you are describing. It had a band brake on the rear wheel.
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AGE / VALUE:   how to remove a rivited headbadge posted by: Chris on 12/24/2008 at 5:48:08 PM
Headbadge removal trick that works!
(For Raleigh bikes as well as other branded bikes made by Raleigh and it may work for others as well)
The rivits on the Raleigh bikes are pushed through the badge and these go through the tiny holes drilled in the headtube. Yes Raleigh drilled tiny holes in the headtube for their rivits to go through
.I stripped a frame today for the parts. I used a pipe to knock out the headset cups and if you shave off the rivit part that is seen sticking through the inside of the headtube.

Shave these off with a flat blade screwdriver or the pipe you just used to remove those headset cups- then once you have shaved the ends off from the inside you very gently pry off the badge from the outside- with a thin screwdriver.

Happy Holidays to all my old roads.com friends!

Be patient so as not to bend the badge but this has worked well for me many, many times.
This works for a wide variety of Raleigh bike badges.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   how to remove a rivited headbadge posted by Steve on 12/25/2008 at 7:39:19 AM
I've used a slightly curved sharp chisel (to match the inner contours of the headtube) and a slightly curved file with a nice long stem to release the rivets without deforming or spreading the holes on the badge.

Plenty of patience and sometimes a very thin drill can be useful (as well as a steady hand) if the rivet is still "sticking".

Stay calm and don't force it.

Steve - Christmas Greetings to all.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   how to remove a rivited headbadge posted by Chris on 12/25/2008 at 1:51:03 PM
The badge almost fell off and i have never deformed the holes on the badge.
(off topic)
Yesterday, I picked up buckets and buckets full of pecans, last night I shelled them, today I put them in a pie and in a second, we'll be eating the pecan pie!


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   how to remove a rivited headbadge posted by Steve on 12/25/2008 at 4:50:04 PM
Nothing to do with headbadges, but I'm the flavour of the month here...treated my wife to a new seat for her 62 Raleigh (and a new reflective jacket).
I've acquired shed loads of used seats before but never bought a brand new one...it's wonderful.

Steve - what a difference a good quality seat makes !

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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   how to remove a rivited headbadge posted by ric Kenner on 6/11/2009 at 3:47:17 PM
wow amazing technique, I uses a large deep 15/16 socket that fit just into id on tube two hard smacks of the hammer! Bam shaved clean... Thanx for the tip!!!!! Ric
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Here's another nice one... posted by: Mike on 12/24/2008 at 9:38:24 AM
Ebay 260334868009. And congrats to the bloke who bought that $20,000 bike for only a bit over 4 grand. The Pedersen of course. There are deals out there...
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Here's another nice one... posted by Keith Body on 12/24/2008 at 9:57:55 AM
I live a few miles from Dursley. The alloy rims were made without a join by cutting a flat circle from a sheet. Gear ratios are plus 50% and minus 33%. Frames built by soft soldering. Well documented, apart from those people who repeat the misprint about 11 pounds weight. I have built a rear wheel for one, look at the hub flanges.
I would say virtually priceless in that condition.
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Here's another nice one... posted by Chris on 12/27/2008 at 9:02:38 AM
These are sold at prestigeous auctions, with folks in nice business suits bidding up into about $20,000.00 for these.

First one of these in that condition, I have seen on e- bay.

This was sold too cheaply.

That bit of information about the rims was pure gold.

Please Keith, I wish you would stay on here full time and "teach the class" I'll give you my desk!
It's folks like Keith Body that make old roads.com everything I ever wished it would be.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Here's another nice one... posted by Keith Body on 12/27/2008 at 10:35:27 AM
Thanks Chris. I was a UK retailer and builder of lightweight/racing cycles from 1954 to 1966. My experiences are basically items from that period seen in UK. I am now 75, and memories are sometimes fragile.
I had a Pedersen in poorish condition in the early 1960's. Also several 3 speed hubs, both large and small flange. The hub flanges were soft soldered, and have spoke holes about 2/3rds of the perimeter. And I still wonder at the way the springless horizontal ratchet freewheels worked, which I am unable to describe briefly. Cotact me by email if you wish.

Keith
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AGE / VALUE:   Green Bikes! posted by: S.H. on 12/23/2008 at 2:48:59 PM
What is it with green bikes? Went to get shopping yesterday,and there was another one!Cable brakes,but earlyish handle bars,Dyno on the tyre and old basket etc,maybe 60,s? It was called a Wayfarer,could not look at it to long,people start looking at you,probably think you are about to steal it! Anybody know anything about this model?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Green Bikes! posted by Steve on 12/23/2008 at 3:21:36 PM
Dunno about green, but I saw a black Raleigh Roadster chained up to some railings today in South Kensington, I just had to have a good look over it...but even in my shirt and tie I started to feel as though folk nearby were thinking that I was about to steal it, do cycle thieves wear shirt and tie, polished shoes and drink Cafe Latte ?

Steve - think it was a retro Roadster anyway !
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Green Bikes! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/23/2008 at 9:43:40 PM
Gentlemen Bandits do.

;-)

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - looks can be deceiving.....
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Green Bikes! posted by Matthew on 12/24/2008 at 3:13:03 AM
I've never seen a green Wayfarer; they are always an attractive shade of blue.

I thought bicycle thieves wore their socks over their trousers, a black beret, eye mask, striped jumper and carried a lycette 'marked swag'

Matthew - its the little grey cells.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Green Bikes! posted by Stephen Hogben on 12/24/2008 at 2:18:13 PM
Matthew,you obviously know about the "Wayfarer" this was a ladies bike, can I ask who made it annd approx year of manufacture? Got a good book recently,bicycle,by David V Herlihy. Anyway a happy Christmas to you Matthew.
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AGE / VALUE:   Sturmey Archer AF 9 four Speed close ratio posted by: Peti on 12/23/2008 at 9:20:08 AM
I have a lightweight cycle SUPRA Head Badge, bought in the UK, I think during the late 50s It uses a Sturmey Archer model AF 9 four speed close ratio gear. There dosen't appear to be much information available regarding this type of S A. Does anyone know about the AF 9?


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sturmey Archer AF 9 four Speed close ratio posted by Geoff Rogers on 12/24/2008 at 12:07:26 PM
AF means it's a A-series gear, like the standard AW. "F" means, I think, "fixed," which might make sense with a lightweight machine, and "9" means "1939". After about 1946, they took to using two digits for the year, plus another (one or two) for the month. That is indeed an unusual, and special, hub.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sturmey Archer AF 9 four Speed close ratio posted by peti on 12/26/2008 at 9:18:55 AM
Moving on from your post Geoff. I have gained some further information. Tracked drawings and compenents of the hub. Apparently the A F 9 came into use during 1938 untill 1939 and in 1940 became known as the FC. Used a trigger model number GC 4.
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AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Super Record on e- bay posted by: Chris on 12/22/2008 at 6:55:31 PM
E- bay item # 140290659603 Raleigh Super Record 1980

First off, this is not my auction, nor my bike.
However, mine is exactly identical (even the color) to this one listed except this one on e- bay has original tires in excellent shape.

So, for me it was really cool to see this bike listed. It will be interesting to see what it ends up selling for.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Super Record on e- bay posted by Steve on 12/23/2008 at 2:45:43 PM
I think I might have the poor mans version of this bike (I actually have two), they're both Raleigh Misty's and are both Nottingham made but have the serial number on the rear of the upper seat tube (not below the B/B).
Five gears, lovely and light and also a little different from the norm.
A Mixtie and a Roadster, as different as chalk and cheese.

Steve
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Here's your chance for one-of-a-kind... posted by: Mike on 12/22/2008 at 11:04:05 AM
Ebay: 120353345412
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Here's your chance for one-of-a-kind... posted by mark on 12/22/2008 at 11:47:26 AM
thanks for posting..i sure would like to ride one of those bikes.if i had the money, not used to hold me afloat i would buy it.i saw a copy cat years ago 1980s.for cheap.looks interesting to build or copy.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Here's your chance for one-of-a-kind... posted by Pete on 12/22/2008 at 2:41:42 PM
I'm off to buy several lottery tickets...
Always wanted one of these.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Here's your chance for one-of-a-kind... posted by Jeff Bikeguy on 12/22/2008 at 4:37:05 PM
I'd love just to try one of these. They look like a fun ride.

That's Larkin Little's auction. I wonder where he finds all this incredible stuff.
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Here's your chance for one-of-a-kind... posted by Chris on 12/22/2008 at 6:38:36 PM
Over here on our side of the pond, Larkin is our version of Hillary Stone. Larkin has been at this for years and it is always a real treat to see his booth and the goodies he brings to the Saline- Ann Arbor, Michigan Swap Meet. Larkin is first class, all the way. The meet is put on by the Classic Bicycle and Whizzer Club of America on the last Sundsay of April at the Washtenaw Farm Council Grounds in Ann Arbor, Michigan. There is a lot of English bicycles and all kinds of other bikes so don't let the fact that this started out as a balloon tire bike swap meet fool you. Also, it has been getting bigger and better every year!
With the falling price of gas I hope more people will attend this season.
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           RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Here's your chance for one-of-a-kind... posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/23/2008 at 3:41:24 AM
Absolutely beautiful. As seldom as these pop up... they're almost always extremely tatty, yet still command a fortune... and the first thing that seems to go on them is the seat.

What an absolutely wonderful machine. That gearbox... the quadrant shifter with pawl indexing....

It will be most interesting to see what price it commands. Particularly considering the current economy.

Forget the lottery tickets... re-fi the house for this one!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Here's your chance for one-of-a-kind... posted by Chris on 12/23/2008 at 8:19:58 AM
Worth every penny. These are marvelous and magical.

There are people who re- make the seats and I saw one fellow in Denmark, who sells modernized copied versions of the whole bike that are well worth every penny as well. At one time, I had one of the hubs in my collection.

I consider this bike at the top of the hill, the best. Then the Sunbeam bikes.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Here's your chance for one-of-a-kind... posted by Steve on 12/23/2008 at 2:22:37 PM
Well, I saw one of these being ridden by a man dressed up like Sherlock Holmes back in the summertime in Great Titchfield Street, Central London.
I never bothered to question my sighting on this site because :-
(a) Not having any knowledge of the model, I didn't know what it was or how to describe it for fear of being accused of lunacy.
(b) I thought I must have knocked my head on something and was possibly seeing things or
(c) The summer heat had got to me.

There's obviously someone in Central London who's got some hidden treasures that decides to use them from time to time just to confuse me (usually as I'm driving in the opposite direction with the sun in my eyes).

I suppose it was probably a copy that I saw, it looked great, nevertheless you certainly wouldn't forget one if you ever saw one.

I'm glad this has cropped up because it's played on my mind ever since I saw it, at least I now know there is some logic to what I witnessed.

Steve - the Titchfield Thunderbolt !
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Here's your chance for one-of-a-kind... posted by Matthew on 12/24/2008 at 3:22:32 AM
I have ridden a Pedersen; there is nothing to compare the experience with. Your anatomy has to get used to the idea of rolling slightly with the action of the saddle but they are fantastic. The frames are sized, something like A,B,C and the wrong sized frame will make riding life very unpleasant.

The Copenhagen version are good, shimano cantilever brakes and indexed deraileur gears. They fly along, as do all Pedersens. Avoid the poor quality cousins of the Copenhagen versions, which were built in Eastern Europe and are not all that they seem to be.

Matthew - not from Dursley
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Here's your chance for one-of-a-kind... posted by Kevin on 12/24/2008 at 5:00:10 AM
I'd love to ride one ...it must be like sitting on a hammock.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Here's your chance for one-of-a-kind... posted by mark on 12/24/2008 at 8:07:53 AM
how do humans mount that bicycle?i have never saw anyone get on one to ride.im trying to imagine,but cant.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Here's your chance for one-of-a-kind... posted by Matthew on 12/25/2008 at 2:05:25 PM
Use the step on the rear axle and mount similar to getting on an ordinary.

Matthew - festive escapee
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Here's your chance for one-of-a-kind... posted by mark on 12/29/2008 at 11:01:40 AM
i actually tried to imagine doing that from the rear axle point.and the height of the seat,and the springyness.wow still cant imagine doing it.the height and suspended seat.jeez must of been terrible roads in dursley!ha
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AGE / VALUE:   "sit up and beg" bike posted by: Kevin on 12/20/2008 at 5:10:29 AM
What, exactly, is a "sit up and beg" bike? Such bikes were referred to in the video mentioned a few posts down. Am I correct in thinking that's an English term for a bicycle with upright handlebars, instead of drop bars? Does anyone know the origin? My rat terrier wants to know, too.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Chris on 12/20/2008 at 5:23:00 PM
This term refers to the upright handlebars and the frame style of these bicycles. You are not hunched over like with the traditional 10 speed handlebars.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/21/2008 at 6:29:53 AM
Yes.... a machine where the axis of one's spine is vertical. Unlike, what I've oft referred to as: Arse In The Air... Techno Torture Machines.

And it's not just bicycles... being an avid motorcyclist the same "monkier" applies.

I don't mean it derisively of course. More in fun.

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - it's all about the view....
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Kevin on 12/21/2008 at 8:54:00 AM
Thanks, guys ... the mystery is solved. It reminds me of a conversation that I once had with a guy who hated bikes with drop bars. His remark: "I like bikes where you sit on the seat, rather than insert it."
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/23/2008 at 3:35:34 AM
>"I like bikes where you sit on the seat, rather than insert it."

OH MY..... LOL..... I absolutely will be using that in future conversations. I daresay, far and away more graphically accurate than what we've describe here thus far.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - butt floss seating? No thanks!
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AGE / VALUE:   Selling S-A hubs - individually or group? posted by: Randy on 12/19/2008 at 10:25:03 AM
I have a number of S-A (and two Hercules and one BSA) hubs and parts I've collected over the years. Realizing that I'm not likely ever to build up bikes around all the hubs, I've decided to sell them. I don't know if I'm better off trying to sell them individually or as a group. None of the hubs are really exotic (no ASC's!) but I do have a couple of FW's (one alloy), a couple of AG's, an AW alloy, two very early AW's (one marked "0" which I think means 2940 and one undated marked "PATENT"), one Dyno, two SW's and some miscellanious AW's. 8 threaded drivers (one NOS still in the cellophane), a quadrant AW shifter and a bunch of miscellaneous repair parts. Opinions anyone?

Thanks,

Randy

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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Selling S-A hubs - individually or group? posted by Randy on 12/19/2008 at 10:34:14 AM
I'm going to ask a whole lot for the retro-time-travel AW, but of course I meant 1940...

Randy

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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Selling S-A hubs - individually or group? posted by mark on 12/19/2008 at 11:10:34 AM
a separate price list would help,as i am interested in a few.or a total price for all.the shipping on all would be quite expensive!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Selling S-A hubs - individually or group? posted by Randy on 12/19/2008 at 11:59:06 AM
Mark, thanks for the reply but I'm not sure what reasonable pricing is. The only dealer I've seen with any significant S-A stock is Bikeville ( www.bikeville.com ) and his prices seem a little high.

$100 for an alloy FW without indicator or trigger? I'd be happy to get that for my hub with indicator and "window" trigger. Likewise his $85 for the steel FW with no indicator. Mine has the indicator and a non-window trigger. I have one SW indicator but when I get the threading working on my lathe, I think I can make more (I have more LH halves, but no more chainside halves...)

You could email me and we could talk off-list about what you specifically want.

Best regards,

Randy

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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Selling S-A hubs - individually or group? posted by Randy on 12/19/2008 at 12:14:29 PM
Another goody I just ran across - one of the adapters that John Hunziker made in the 70's, that screws onto a threaded S-A driver and takes three 3/32" Suntour sprockets. I have it set up with 14-22-34. It's a collector's item from a true pioneer of hybrid gearing. Does $50 with threaded driver sound fair?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Selling S-A hubs - individually or group? posted by Randy on 12/19/2008 at 6:40:53 PM
OK, here is a list.

S-A FW alloy / 53-4 / 40H / splined driver / indicator and "window" trigger
S-A FW / 5I-I2 (as stamped) / 40H / splined driver / indicator and non-window trigger
S-A AG / 56-4 / 40H / splined driver / 19T sprocket
S-A AG / 64-3 / 36H / splined driver
S-A Dyno / 10-70 / 32H
S-A AW alloy / 53-4 / 36H / splined driver
S-A AW / "0" / 36H / threaded driver / 17T sprocket
S-A AW / "PATENT" / 36H / threaded driver / 17T sprocket
S-A AW / 51-6 / 36H / threaded driver
S-A AW / 55-3 / 36H / splined driver
S-A SW / 56-12 / 36H / splined driver / indicator
S-A SW / 58-5 / 36H / splind driver / no indicator
Hercules B type 5 / undated / 40H / threaded driver / 18T sprocket
Hercules B type 3 / undated / 40H / threaded driver / 18T sprocket
Hercules SW / 58-11 / 40H / splined driver
S-A Dyno shell only / 5-54 / 32H
S-A Dyno shell only / 8-55 / 32H
S-A Dyno shell only / 12-57 / 36H
AW quadrant trigger
Hunziker 3-sprocket adapter (14-22-34T) with threaded driver
7 threaded drivers, one NOS in cellophane wrapping
3 threaded sprockets 18T, various splined sprockets
FW yellow box with some tearing
axles, cages, pinions, pinion pins, pawls (AW, SW), pawl springs, dust covers etc.
several AW shells w/o ballcups

For some reason the Dynos were datecoded month-year rather than year-month.

I typed this in a text editor--hopefully it will be readable when I post it.

Best regards,

Randy


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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Selling S-A hubs - individually or group? posted by Warren on 12/19/2008 at 9:02:17 PM
Hi Randy, try to not use bikeville as an indicator of fair market value. It's easy to get annoyed with the silly money they ask for most of their items. Many of their auctions will be re-listed over and over,looking for well-heeled buyers. As is their right I guess.

I have no axe to grind here because I'm not in the market for these hubs. Please don't be offended.

Did you ever build that Dursley-Petersen?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Selling S-A hubs - individually or group? posted by Randy on 12/19/2008 at 11:59:43 PM
Warren, no problem. I mentioned their prices only because they seem to be a singular datapoint and I haven't found anywhere else that has prices for a reasonable selection of hubs. I trolled eBay first, but even there there is not much to go on. But Bikeville does leave prices up for stuff they've sold, so the right customer apparently *is* coming along now and then... :-) I'll welcome any pointers to alternate pricing sources!

Wow, you remember the Dursley-Pedersen project. Thanks for asking! I haven't made any progress at all since I built up the wheels. I have been thinking about it lately though. I have a decent-sized CNC milling machine now, and making the plate steel components would be an easy job, and making proper steel bar-end brakelevers would not be too hard either, since I never did find any after several years of searching. But I have no brazing capability now, which puts a big crimp in things itself...

Another project that has languished for far too long is the Fuji (chrome-moly frame, 27" wheels, decent alloy components) that I was planning to build up with another of the FW's I have, that I converted into a 3-speed fixed gear. Laced the wheels and that's about it. I should probably sell the components from both those projects and just live with the DL-1...

Best regards,

Randy

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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Selling S-A hubs - individually or group? posted by Chris on 12/22/2008 at 8:54:36 AM
Sturmey Archer threaded driver, N.O.S. in the cellopane wrapper. The reason to get out of bed in ther morning. That part made my heart skip!
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1967 Raleigh Sports, ladies posted by: Steve on 12/19/2008 at 9:15:17 AM
http://oldroads.com/d_fsw_ra.asp?OQID=13751&QuestionNum=13751&RID=0
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AGE / VALUE:   Chrome Raleigh in New Jersey posted by: Jeff Chromebikeguy on 12/19/2008 at 9:03:28 AM
http://newjersey.craigslist.org/bik/954519259.html

Not mine and too far away for me to go get but maybe someone here might like it...
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Chrome Raleigh in New Jersey posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/19/2008 at 4:54:04 PM
Very nice. Alas a ladies frame. Linden... one time home of Jersey Joe Walsh. ;-)

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - A former Jersey Boy even... now a Jersey Refugee
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AGE / VALUE:    posted by: mark on 12/18/2008 at 8:46:36 PM
hello guys,im in a bit of a unknown realm,and need some help.i recently purchased a enclosed chaincase,for my 30s 40s hercules.28 inch tires.i have never had or put on a chaincase,im stuck.i understand the sprocket guard comes off and the end piece?but do i take my crank apart to put it on?all help will be appreciated.thank you.


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/19/2008 at 2:41:31 AM
Firstly... NICE chaincase. I've not yet installed one but before I went all wild an uncottered the crank, I would think that you could slide it over once you removed the pedal.

I'm sure others who've been there and done it will have the process documented if nowhere else but in their minds.

And I'm sure, pursuant to the nature of the wee beasties, some of the tales will be intersting.

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - My chains are only guarded......
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Matthew on 12/19/2008 at 5:10:18 AM
Hi there,

Remove the chain, take the right hand crank and pedal off, slip the chain guard over loosely and refit the crank. (obviously you need to have disassembled the guard first). Don't refit the chain, yet.

Fitting all the other pieces is straight forward but TAKE your time, do not bend parts. If they don't fit then you may be at fault not the part. Fitting the chain inside the guard is tricky but use a long peice of stout wire and some string and ingenuity and you'll cope.

Have fun it will be worthwhile.

Matthew - old guard?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by mark on 12/19/2008 at 9:19:52 AM
thanks guys..im looking forward to doing this,i know i cant fit the guard,then remove,paint,then replace.whew.i think there will be some modifications in this assembly?im going to study photos of chaincases now.i dont know the age.just that it came off a similar bike.it came from this site,and was packaged incredibly well.actually the best ive ever seen.im very pleased,just hope i can make it fit.thanks for the help!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Steve on 12/19/2008 at 12:49:54 PM
About two years ago I sat and stared at the enclosed chaincase I was about to remove for the first time, I stared for an embarrassingly long time (don't ask how long).
Anyhow, the job was done, the guard was repaired and replaced (the chain could now turn with no grinding noises), I felt quite pleased with myself and rode up the road only to hear a metal "dink"....I looked back and noticed that one of the slider plates on the rear (spoke side) of the rear quarter segment had slipped out.

Moral of the story is, make sure that both sliders are firm and are located properly in their slots, slots may need "squeezing in" slightly if someone has been around there before with a big screwdriver !

Also beware of the chain going wrong side of any securing screw inside the casing, a piece of wire (as Matthew mentions) or standing the bike vertically so that the chain is dangling perpendicular inside the casing hence avoiding going wrong side of any screw (I know it sounds silly...but it works).

Be prepared for the split chain to dissapear inside the chaincase if you let go or look away for one micro second, unless of course you've done the sensible thing and secured a piece of wire to it !

Steve - could be worse, could be a Sunbeam !
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by mark on 12/19/2008 at 5:26:30 PM
ya that sunbeam chaincase looks difficult,wow...im going to try tommorrow to install,its cold as flick here.-17 celcius.my phillips wont shift gears.shes frozen solid.but tracks great still.thanks for bringing up the case screws id uv probably forgot!
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MISC:   Different and interesting Abby Hercules posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/18/2008 at 6:45:19 PM
Check out Ebay item: 280294674246

A cantilever frame with what appears to be 26 x 1 3/8 sports type wheels and tyres.

Bottom bracket oil ports and all... what's real interesting is the fixed handlebars... much in the style of rod brake bars... yet cable brake equipped.

I don't think the seat is original though...

Thought it might be of interest.

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Just when you think you've seen 'em all.....
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           RE:MISC:   Different and interesting Abby Hercules posted by Matthew on 12/19/2008 at 5:14:04 AM
Not a clue what this is. It doesn't float my boat and I have never heard of Abbey as a brand. It might be a stateside model of Herc produced for a local shop?

Matthew
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           RE:MISC:   Different and interesting Abby Hercules posted by David on 12/19/2008 at 8:45:13 AM
I've seen several Hercules like this made for, I assume, the American market. I think there are Phillips with the curved tubes as well.
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           RE:MISC:   Different and interesting Abby Hercules posted by Steve on 12/19/2008 at 1:20:12 PM
I like the handlebars, but I think the Crane brothers would have nightmares if they saw that frame !

Steve - seen nothing interesting on the road today, just two tatty rickshaws up a "dodgy back alleyway" !
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