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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Help for an old gentleman. posted by: Michael on 12/17/2008 at 11:07:34 AM
It's a year old "The Bike Show" podcast so it may have already been mentioned here, but if an address can be found for the Paul Wonnacott interviewed, he might be a resource for a bicycle restorer. Eight hundred something English bicycles collected mover a period of thirty years.

http://thebikeshow.net/21-january-2008-hidden-treasure/
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Help for an old gentleman. posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/18/2008 at 3:28:11 AM
I'll have to download that podcast at work (dialup here at home) and have a listen.

Looks to be fascinating... to say the least.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - I only have a paltry dozen or so...
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Help for an old gentleman. posted by Kevin on 12/18/2008 at 5:24:04 AM
Great show ... I'd love to meet that guy. His remarks about the quality of vintage English bikes is right on, compared to the junk sold the the mass market today. It's interesting that the machines we can pick up for $25 cost a working man two weeks' wages, 60 years ago ...
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Help for an old gentleman. posted by Steve on 12/18/2008 at 7:14:16 AM
An interesting twenty something minutes insight into a mans 27 years or so involvement of bicycle refurbishment in a wonderful part of the country.
I guess most people active on this site will naturally understand his feelings, comments and angles he's coming from.
The business has made a loss each year (that would worry me), twenty skips to take it all away, retirement looming etc etc.
I don't know what Paul has done with the collection over the past eleven months, but strangely I have visited someone very similar to Paul in a different part of the country (it takes your breath away when you approach the premises between rows of classic weather stained bikes), he was slowly but surely selling bikes and parts (some that had stood outside for many years), the internet being the obvious medium for a vast audience in order to move things on for further use and also obtain a financial return.
I hope someone has visited Paul over the last eleven months and offered (or advised) on how to deal with the situation.

Steve - twenty something and a plethora of rims...last time I counted !


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AGE / VALUE:   I think this is a Cool badge posted by: sam on 12/16/2008 at 7:59:45 PM
Ebay # 360115901485
he also has one,"Angel" that reminds me a a rudge badge.
I've seen in the Brown brs catalog they sold head transfers made to order--guess there is an unlimited number to be found---sam
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Please stop me and buy one! posted by: Matthew on 12/15/2008 at 12:45:15 PM
Not my auction & I don't know the seller; no shipping to USA but I bet you'll work out some way to get it over the pond.

This is a snip @ £150 sterling. How often are you going to find one of these? I have never seen one.

eBay No.400017645062


Matthew - shining?
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Please stop me and buy one! posted by Pete on 12/15/2008 at 1:37:44 PM
Would be an interesting ride home in a lightening storm....
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Please stop me and buy one! posted by Matthew on 12/15/2008 at 3:12:36 PM
See if this works? The photo is the property of Wispagifts of Frinton- on-Sea, Essex, England

Matthew - smooth operator, maybe?


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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Please stop me and buy one! posted by Chris on 12/15/2008 at 8:39:13 PM
I like it, but then again, I like them all...........
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           RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Please stop me and buy one! posted by Chris on 12/15/2008 at 9:03:50 PM
It's a locking fork model, looks to be a 22 inch frame. "Old style stays" the seller says.. actually Raleigh used this style for the bikes that were not headed to America.My green Royal Roadster had this style stays and it was one of the very last made and sent from Nottingham. The decals are more recent but the badge is not the later brass style but an older silver type bottom line, the decals don't match the badge- the unfinished restoration is flawed from the get go. Switch the front badge and leave the decals alone.

I would rather pay a lot more and own a complete one, an original. A bike that was chromed in Raleigh's factory in Nottingham.

I have never seen orange tires before. My guess, The orange tires were discontinued before these decals were introduced so it does not match as far as period correct-ness.
Still, the wheels look cool.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Please stop me and buy one! posted by Steve on 12/16/2008 at 3:13:04 AM
You can't help but look at elderly chrome bikes, they're as rare as rocking horse droppings on the streets and act like a red rag to a bull.
I spotted one the other day as I was driving around traffic laden Marble Arch in Londons busy West-End, I tried to get a closer look at the machine but got the impression that some motorists were confused by my erotic driving skills as I could hear somewhat impolite requests from complete strangers questioning the purity of my parentage, I tried desperately to look foreign and confused and looked the other way whilst carefully trying not to demolish any street furniture !
The very artful dodger eventually disappeared down a misty narrow Mews and I had to concede and face the wrath of evilness at the next red traffic lights, my head was now below dashboard level with just two trembling hands visible to Satans army.
Yes, chrome bikes should come with a "Danger of Death" warning sign attached, they are wonderful but can cause mayhem.

Funny thing happened a few days earlier, I spotted a full size penny farthing riding around the busy roads of Trafalgar Square in the evening rush hour, this was made even more interesting (and entertaining) when he had to deal with the red traffic lights. The modern day front and rear flashing lighting devices were also attached to the bike !

Steve - you never know what's around the corner
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Please stop me and buy one! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/16/2008 at 1:05:55 PM
Why is it the elbow is purportedly missing... yet apparantly in-place in one of the images?

Very interesting machine nonetheless. I better buy stock in Mother's before it sells.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Chrome don't get you home.... but it might get you ... uhhh... er.... never mind....
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Please stop me and buy one! posted by mark on 12/16/2008 at 6:27:17 PM
you have quite the eye, boneman.i felt uneasy after i looked at that bike,i knew a part of the puzzle was missing.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Please stop me and buy one! posted by Kevin on 12/17/2008 at 5:18:28 AM
What a cool old roadster. Riding at night would be much safer on a chrome-plated bike, I bet, but it would be a little distracting for everybody on a bright summer's day ...
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Please stop me and buy one! posted by David on 12/17/2008 at 6:53:46 AM
Weren't these chrome-plated models some kind of dealer promotion relatively late in Raleigh's history? The 70s-style decals conflict with the purported age of it; I'd like to see a closeup of the headbadge and some other parts, too.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Please stop me and buy one! posted by Jeff ChromeBikeguy on 12/19/2008 at 8:54:35 AM
I'd like to know the story behind the chrome bikes too. The History of Raleigh Bicycles book I have touches on the subject but never really says how one could have acquired one back in the day.

I've seen a few of these including the 26" balloon tyre roadster I have, a DL-1, and two Rudge sports models.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   RRA posted by: Ted Trambley on 12/14/2008 at 2:23:45 PM
I now have all the parts and more to put my '51 Humber club bike togerther. It needs paint and decals. Decals I will have to have made before painting it (expensive) Question is I saw an RRA frame, fork and crank this weekend and the guy said he would sell it to me cheap if he couldn't get what he wanted for it ($50 to me maybe). I believe it to be about '48, very simalar to the black one on the Classic UK site. Has RRA on the Seat tube. It's easier to get decals for this. Will my Humber parts transfer? I was going to make it a single speed with Bayless Wiley track hubs. What do you think and am I wasting my time and money?
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   RRA posted by Warren on 12/14/2008 at 6:19:04 PM
The RRA is totally desirable and you'd be insane not to pick it up. I'd pay mucho dinaro for good condition frame fork and original 3 piece crankset.
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   RRA posted by Chris on 12/15/2008 at 8:46:22 AM
the parts fit and are interchangable and as far as transfers try "nick at LLoyds"\

THE RRA IS WORTH ABOUT 2,000.00!

We have the phantom blown up diagrams of this bike here under resources

raleigh rudge humber exploded diagrams I know, I gave them to the site here!
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           RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   RRA posted by Chris on 12/15/2008 at 8:49:12 AM
Ted, go get the bike right now. I mean now.

Gather up all your parts and do research and chill out and hold off until you understand the goodies, rare, desirable goodies you have and then decide what you want to do.

bike slike these are difficult and exzpensive to get so go buy out your sources.
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AGE / VALUE:   Can't blame one for asking, aye? posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/13/2008 at 4:54:08 AM
ebay item: 180312090435

Certainly a nice Rudge... best part of the auction is the question posted.

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Can't blame one for asking, aye? posted by Chris on 12/13/2008 at 9:21:25 AM
Sniff glue, drink Ouzzo, do drugs and list on e- bay a great combination!

Well they told us didn't they!
Hello............?
It's a 26 inch wheel, cable brake, bike and,.......... I believe the wrong fenders or mudguards as we say.

I'd offer no more than $150.00 plus shipping but I am not in the market for a 26 inch wheel Rudge.

Even if this were a mint, clean, original 531 "Club" bike with the goodies on it, with a vintage Brooks leather saddle and bag, bell and the works, $2,000.00 would be too high still.

Time for a reality check.
Chris-
Reality, only in it when necessary, and then not for any longer than I have to but still, I know what it is.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Can't blame one for asking, aye? posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/14/2008 at 6:26:01 AM
LOL... interesting... so Patrick Tribbet is selling this one, aye?

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/tribettmug1.html

I did think along the lines of "Daft" and "Bonkers"... but perhaps this chap has "truly gone fishing" as well.

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - I want some too. ;-)


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Can't blame one for asking, aye? posted by Pete on 12/14/2008 at 9:06:25 AM
How strange no takers!
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AGE / VALUE:   Lucas dating posted by: Stu on 12/12/2008 at 8:04:43 PM
Does anyone know how to date Lucas headlamps. I've looked for stamps inside and out and found nothing. Any input will help. Thanks
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Lucas dating posted by mark on 12/13/2008 at 6:45:08 AM
im looking into the same thing but not much luck yet.i get different answers alot.1 person says,glass jewels stopped mid 30s,another mid 60s.mine has a green and red glass jewel,one on either side.lucas king of the road inscription on glass front.


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AGE / VALUE:    Kiwi Black shoe polish on your black bicycle posted by: Christopher on 12/12/2008 at 7:35:45 PM
The Kiki black shoe polish (in the round tin )made the Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. look marvelous. Amazed again, how nice the bikes look after this is rubbed into the paint and buffed away with a clean soft cloth.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    Kiwi Black shoe polish on your black bicycle posted by greg on 12/14/2008 at 1:53:05 PM
Was wondering if the Oxblood shoe polish would work on the burgundy bikes?
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    Kiwi Black shoe polish on your black bicycle posted by Chris on 12/15/2008 at 8:50:16 AM
Yes! marvelous!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    Kiwi Black shoe polish on your black bicycle posted by mark on 12/15/2008 at 12:22:29 PM
i have heard of this before and never tried it out.well i have to nice of a paint job on my hercules, and now it looks like it should,i didnt buff it out.and it covered nicks and scrapes.i cant get over it!thanks for bringing this up.saved me alot of work.
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AGE / VALUE:   Hard Tire Safety Bicycle posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/11/2008 at 2:24:08 PM
Cross posted from the Antique discussion forum.

Ebay item: 190271719612

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - That's older than ME even. ;-)

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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hard Tire Safety Bicycle posted by mark on 12/12/2008 at 8:54:14 AM
boneman--but a bit of elbow grease and work,can bring this back like new!i just had to.ha
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hard Tire Safety Bicycle posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/13/2008 at 4:36:38 AM
LOL... yeah no kiddin'. Perhaps that's a lot of my issues.... I've depleted all my elbow grease fixing up these machines... and that's what leads to arthritis, no?

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - the joints creak... the bicycles DO NOT.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hard Tire Safety Bicycle posted by walter branche on 12/18/2008 at 5:05:50 PM
bike on e bay is an early pneumatic, if you look close, at the wheel photo ,you can see the valve hole,.. a very nice columbia springfork sold at copake last year for 2800,the ivers ,had a problem with getting out of alignment , usually the chain does not run true ,, thanks for the venue ,,walter branche
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AGE / VALUE:   Any idea.... posted by: Andy on 12/10/2008 at 12:38:00 PM
...What this is?
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/948503491.html


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Any idea.... posted by jj on 12/10/2008 at 4:30:21 PM
Almost looks like a recent Chinese or Indian knockoff.
Kandoor or something like that.


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Any idea.... posted by David on 12/10/2008 at 6:41:35 PM
Japanese BSA clone - even the trademark is a BSA ripoff. Typical Japanese (or Chinese, Indian,...) roadster.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Any idea.... posted by Matthew on 12/11/2008 at 11:33:51 AM
I think you might be doing the seller a mis-service. This could be an Indian produced BSA. The photos do not give sufficient detail to disregard the provenance out of hand. More photos of better quality would help to identify the bicycle.

Matthew - worth a second look
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Any idea.... posted by David on 12/11/2008 at 2:17:48 PM
Seller says it's Japanese and I've seen those roller brakes only on Japanese bikes. Why doubt it?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Any idea.... posted by Andy on 12/11/2008 at 2:49:08 PM
I thought it might be some kind of licensed BSA, but this is more like it!
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bik/954098849.html


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Any idea.... posted by David on 12/12/2008 at 5:53:03 AM
Unfortunately, the men's DL1 in Santa Cruz does not appear to have a front fender.
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AGE / VALUE:   Brown Brothers Catalogs on Ebay posted by: sam on 12/10/2008 at 7:17:53 AM
I highly recomend them
http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/doublebutted
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Brown Brothers Catalogs on Ebay posted by Christopher on 12/10/2008 at 11:04:39 AM
That's our pal Bruce Robbins! Yes, the Brown Brothers catalogs are THE BOOKS for refrence. Exploded diagrams, parts listings, Wonderful books!

Can't recommend these CD'S enough!
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MISC:   T-Shirt is done! posted by: Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles on 12/9/2008 at 6:29:19 AM
Ok, the T-Shirt is done.
They are 100% heavyweight cotton and came out well.
Those of you who helped with the design, please shoot me an email.

-Vin


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           RE:MISC:   T-Shirt is done! posted by Christopher on 12/9/2008 at 9:00:35 AM
Bravo! Yes, it came out well!
Awesome!
Now a question, Where are the nymphs delivering the bikes they find at the kerb to?

I can just see Sam, (and the gang here) on their driveway about to leave for work and they look up and here the nymphs are ariving to drop off the bikes they find!
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           RE:MISC:   T-Shirt is done! posted by Thom J. on 12/9/2008 at 12:53:33 PM
Great job. I'm gonna get my order in before they all disappear. Thom.
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           RE:MISC:   T-Shirt is done! posted by ken on 12/11/2008 at 1:03:20 PM
_What's_ "all about the parking"? I must have been snoozing...
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           RE:RE:MISC:   T-Shirt is done! posted by Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles on 12/11/2008 at 4:26:02 PM
It started as "Its the parking, stupid" (as in "its the economy, stupid" - if you remember that line) but I thought that was a bit too much.

For commuting, a cycle is not just about saving gas and moving through the city faster than any other method. It is also the easiest and cheapest way to park close to your destination.

I dunno - maybe that was too obscure.

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MISC:   Please help posted by: Ryan Beadle on 12/9/2008 at 2:56:39 AM
I have an old Hubray bicycle at home. It's a ladies bike and seems like a classic. Can anyone tell me where its made?


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           RE:MISC:   Please help posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/10/2008 at 3:40:54 AM
Sure is a "Loop Frame" ladies machine. As to the particulars.... difficult to say. More pictures with better details would help indeed. Perhaps a shot of the headbadge, chainwheel, chain guard... what size the wheels / tyres are.

Nice looking machine though!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - details.... the devil IS in there. ;-)
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           RE:MISC:   Please help posted by Steve on 12/10/2008 at 7:11:09 AM
Excuse my ignorance (or bad eyesight), but what method of braking does this ladies bike utilise ?

I've just had a moan at my wife for wearing brake blocks out too quickly, hence the interest.

Steve - breaktime
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Please help posted by Chris on 12/10/2008 at 11:06:23 AM
Yes, we need better pictures please.
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           RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Please help posted by Joe on 12/10/2008 at 2:12:59 PM
I can see a coaster brake arm clamp on the left chainstay.
I had a Mens bike here that was similar a few years ago, it had 26" wheels, single speed coaster rear hub, and fenders that looks much like the later Sprite 27 fenders but with a styled front tip. My take on it was that it was late 60's due to the decals and array of various parts. I believe they may have been Australian or at least sold there under that name?
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Roadsters, parts, cool stuff posted by: Geoff Rogers on 12/8/2008 at 3:07:49 PM
My small shipment of British car and bicycle parts has just arrived. My wife and I visit the Beaulieu Autojumble every September to buy parts for our car business, but I always buy some bicycle stuff there as well. This year I bought two bicycles, both Raleighs. One was a 1949 large-frame machine, very sad and weathered and missing a lot of parts. It came with rod brakes, Dyno-Three rear hub, an Elswick chainwheel (of all things!), but the best part was the stainless 28” rims. I dismantled it for parts after trying to sell the whole thing to somebody else at the jumble, because it was so rough it was really not worth restoring. If I had found it locally, maybe I would have saved it, but it just didn’t fit, so I guess I saved some bits from the skip anyhow. All parts are available except the Elswick sprocket, which looks nice on the wall in the garage, so if you need rod brake bits, early handlebars, 28” fenders or a pair of stainless 28” wheels with Dynohub rear, I have them in hand. The other Raleigh, a 1956 Superbe Dawn, is also equipped with stainless rims, Dyno-Four hub, working lights, gearcase, even a Lucas bell and green Sir Walter pump. The rear tire was off the rim and the tube wrapped around the hub, but I carefully unwound it, stuffed it all back together and, amazingly, it held air when I blew it up, so I ride the old girl around Beaulieu a bit. All four gears work, and even the saddlebag is original and functional (it, too, is green). I should probably sell it, but it’s a nice mate to my ’53 Superbe Tourist, in about the same condition but with cable brakes. They are both original and very cool. Other parts for sale include a red Raleigh pump, a really nice Dyno-Three hub, clean and shiny, a black Dynohub headlamp with glass lens, a NOS Hercules 3-speed hub from the 50s, assorted cables, two top-tube S-A quadrant shifters, a couple of late-type NOS S-A trigger shifters with cables, a Lucas King of the Road bell, a pair of Hiduminium GB caliper brakes, and a lot of other bits and pieces. I will keep the Dynohub tester meter and some other things for the time being. I also have two roadsters for sale, a ’47 lady’s in black, rideable, a bit scruffy but not bad, for $225, and a ’57 men’s, similar condition, $260. They are both Raleighs, both with gearcases, 3-speeds, 26-inch wheels and rod brakes. I am putting together a restored ’55, which will have rod brakes, stainless rims, gearcase, Lucas bell, Sir Walter pump and either an original or a new Brooks B66 saddle, as the new owner prefers. Maybe it will be finished by spring, and then for sale to finance the other acquisitions! The ’56 Superbe Dawn has some unusual wiring. The DBU (dry battery unit) is stored in the saddlebag in a little flap, held shut with some black enameled turnbuckles. The wires go into the back of the bag. Elsewhere, the wiring runs inside the frame tubes, something I have never seen on a Raleigh before! It makes for a very neat installation, clearly done at the factory. The seat tube has a SUPERBE decal, which the ’53 lacks, because the DBU on that machine is clipped to the seat tube, where it would hide the decal. Cool, eh? I’ll try to post a pic of the wiring soon. Let me know if you want a roadster or parts!
Geoff Rogers
Shutesbury, Massachusetts

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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Roadsters, parts, cool stuff posted by Thom J. on 12/8/2008 at 3:36:16 PM
Geoff- You have quite a collection of bikes and bike bits. I would be able to put the Lucas King of the Road bell to good use on my recently aquited DL-1. Please advise your asking price. Thx again, Thom.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Roadsters, parts, cool stuff posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/10/2008 at 3:34:27 AM
The 28" wheels... would be of interest to me for certain. Have they been dis-assembled, or are they complete with hubs?

Always fun to hear of such interesting... "procurement perambulations" for sure.

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Stainless.... :-))
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL-1 fork bit posted by: greg on 12/6/2008 at 6:49:35 PM
I picked up DL-1 single speed today. The "Headbadge" serial number page indicates its a Handsworth fom 1976. Soon as I got it out from the back of the station wagon took it for ride around the block. Cotter pin on the left is mighty loose but still grinning the whole time! As far as I can tell the only thing missing is the chrome insert at the top of the fork. The Thimble? I still pretty new to this English Roadster world. Got in to it quite by accident when I bought a woman's 3-speed Sports intending to strip it down for parts. When I got it home I fell in love with it. My question: Is that part the same on a Sports as a DL-1? If I find a doner fork how's it come out & how would it go in? If not any tips on finding one? Thanks in advance.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL-1 fork bit posted by Matthew on 12/7/2008 at 3:26:09 AM

Not quite sure what you mean by 'Handsworth'? Its a slightly notorious area of Birmingham.

The 'thimble' (good description) comes out by carefully prising it from the fork. It goes in by gentle tapping.

Matthew - off to Church.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL-1 fork bit posted by Steve on 12/7/2008 at 8:20:10 AM
Could Handsworth be the cycle dealers name (or the location) and is this a decal that's replaced the original headbadge ?
Any chance of a photo, I'm a little confused.

Steve
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL-1 fork bit posted by greg on 12/7/2008 at 12:45:38 PM
After I posted I measured it on both bikes & they were both the same. Thanks for the tip on getting it out & back in. I got the Handsworth from the Headbadge web site. According to that site H=Handsworth (U.K.) as the production site. It doesn't mention anything more about the Handsworth factory, perhaps they a plant in that part of town.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL-1 fork bit posted by Steve on 12/7/2008 at 2:00:43 PM
Well, you live and learn.

Handsworth could be a suburb of Birmingham or Sheffield, did Raleigh have a production plant at any of these locations ?
I don't have a DL-1 or for that matter any Raleigh bike with an "H" code.
Was this an interim period or specialist site for smaller volume run bikes ?

Thanks for the prompt, I didn't know of this website.

Steve - outnumbered


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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL-1 fork bit posted by Kevin on 12/7/2008 at 3:57:20 PM
It's called a fork crown, I think.
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL-1 fork bit posted by Chris on 12/7/2008 at 6:52:52 PM
The "fork crown thimble" as it is commonly referred to, is the same for the Raleigh Sports or 28 inch wheel D.L.1. rod brake type bicycle. This part is the same, every time you see a Raleigh fork this thimble will fit your bike, it's a standardized part. Fear not these are out there, we have written a lot here how to remove them and transplant them into other forks.
Humber has a flat cap that fits over their fork what I am trying to say is, many of these British bicycles have some sort of fork cap or crown or "thimble"

Remember that the British bicycle industry was huge with huge factory plants all over, employing tens of thousands.
Almost each name was it's own large company at one time before a take over , merger or buy out. Humber was huge, with foreign plants in the late 1800's. They had a huge assembly shop in France that was like a factory in of itself. Companies such as Phillips were huge! They offered a wide range of bikes for adults, children , teenagers , adults these companies made other things like roller skates too. Hercules kicked Raleigh's butt in the 1930's Hercules was huge, a fierce compettitor, a real thorn in Raleigh's side. Hercules was bought by their supplier, Tube Investments in 1946. Later when Raleigh merged with Tube investments the Hercules bicycle was made in Nottingham, at Raleigh's factory.

As for Handsworth, we see this a lot. There were factories in Handsworth, just like their were in Birmingham. Birmingham, was a huge "bicycle town"
Have fun with this. There are a lot of collectors and fans of these bikes more than you are imagining and interest in these old bikes is increasing.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL-1 fork bit posted by Steve on 12/8/2008 at 2:21:07 AM
Very interesting.

I was under the impression that everything produced in 1976 by Raleigh in England was dealt with at Nottingham.
Although Birmingham had been the mecca of bicycle production at one time, I hadn't realised that Raleigh still produced from there in the mid 70's, I suppose "TI" in one guise or another could still have owned a good percentage of Birmingham manufacturing outlets at that time hence utilising those facilities.

I wonder where the Moulton (badged Bradford on Avon) range were produced after their takeover...Kirkby (Liverpool), Handsworth (Birmingham), Nottingham or elsewhere !

Funny how one thing leads to another, the chrome fork crown on my 28" wheel 1934 Hercules is pretty much weather beaten hence I tried to replace it recently with another but failed due to different dimensions, the possible replacement being smaller, I suspect it was off a smaller or much younger bike. I'm just glad I measured both parts before commencing stripping down.

Steve - it's cold here !
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL-1 fork bit posted by Matthew on 12/8/2008 at 2:29:17 PM
Serial convention:
Two letters, followed by a series of six digits.

First letter stands for the production factory:
N=Nottingham
W=Worksop (Carlton, until 197?)
E=Enid (USA)
G=Gazelle
M=Malaysia
R=Canada
D=Ireland
H=Handsworth (U.K.)
B=Unknown, but reported

The above only applies to 1974 - 82 Raleigh production.

It would appear that Raleigh did have a works at Handsworth and I am now enlightened.

Matthew - NEVER to old to learn.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL-1 fork bit posted by Matthew on 12/8/2008 at 2:33:18 PM
The message above is full of info from 'The Headbadge' website, hosted by Jaysmarine. I do apologise for the plagerisn and hope I will be forgiven.

Below is the hard work from Kurt - Not my work at all. It comes from the Bikeforums website.


As I've never seen one, I cannot advise as to the differences, if any, of the Canadian badges VS others, but I am well versed as to the variants from England/UK and the later Raleigh USA badges.

*Nottingham badges from the early '30s were of brass, and featured an offset top rivet, to place the rivet behind the Heron's eye.

*By the '40s, the badge had been revised to a stamped aluminum design, with the top badge rivet centered, effectively serving the purpose of a rather large Heron's "eye." This badge remained in use on the DL22 Sports until around '63 or '64, while the S22 spartan models used it until early 1973, when the Sunset Yellow (a.k.a. "All-Gold") variants were discontinued.

*A revised brass badge replaced the aluminum badges on most models in the '63/64 model year period. The brass design featured the same rivet pattern as the aluminum design. Additionally, the complete pattern and lettering of the badge were lightly stamped into the badge surface as well, followed by the traditional red/black tampo transfer. Rivets were generally of the traditional squashed type, although these badges are sometimes seen with small blind rivets on some of the lower-end Raleigh 10 speed models. This badge is probably the most common, and was used on the majority of all Raleighs until the Huffy takeover in 1982.

*Variants bearing strikeouts in place of "NOTTINGHAM ENGLAND" of both the aluminum and later brass badges mentioned above were used on Raleighs made in Holland, Ireland, and other Raleigh machines not produced in the Nottingham factory.

*A very pretty Heron badge with an oval design and a multi-color tampo was used during the '68-70 period. These are called the "Anniversary" badge, and were used primarily on the higher-end road models, and are seen commonly on the Super Course.

*After the Huffy takeover, 1983 Raleigh badges for the Bridgestone/Panasonic-manufactuered top-end racing models became a 3D design stamped out of soft metal. A brass coloring plus the traditional red/black coloring was used. "THE" was dropped in "THE RALEIGH" from the title in the headbadge, badges now only read "RALEIGH," "NOTTINGHAM ENGLAND" was dropped in favor of "RALEIGH CYCLE COMPANY OF AMERICA." The traditional 3-rivet pattern remained, abeit slightly altered.

*Framesets made in Nottingham after the Huffy takeover (such as the 1982 Competition MKII and 1982 International MKII) for the U.S. market were essentially identical to the '84 badges as mentioned above, but featured angled foward slash symbols (e.g. "//////") in place of "CYCLE COMPANY OF AMERICA." I believe these badges were riveted, but can't recall for a fact.

*Badges virtually identical to those used on the post-Huffy, Nottingham-made, U.S.-market frames (i.e., the models with "/////" symbols on the badge, as mentioned above) were sometimes used on lower-end models such as the Marathon and Capri. These badges varied by only one detail: They are not riveted, but glued on. Two guide prongs protrude out the back, these fit into impressions on the frame.

*Badges on all higher-end (Grand Prix/Supercourse/Competition/Prestige) Japanese/Taiwanese produced frames were revised in 1985 to be affixed without rivets in the glue-on/two prong fashion, similar to the early '84 badges for the low end models as described above. The words "CYCLE COMPANY OF AMERICA" at the bottom are retained.

*1986 Technium frames built in the U.S. feature a badge design similar, but slightly different in dimensions and font styles from the final 1985 badge design. Badges are finished with a chrome appearance instead of a gold/brass color. Red/black colors remain, along with the glue-on mounting design.

There were various other badge designs used in the U.K. in the '80s that are somewhat different then the badges used in the States. Further, there were a few other badge variants after '86, plus the current ones used today. I will not detail these, for I do not have enough data about them.

Hope this helps. If you need any additional info, let me know.

Take care,

-Kurt

& Matthew - its a cut and paste world.
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           RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL-1 fork bit posted by brian Swander on 11/23/2010 at 1:42:18 PM
... so,
how do you remove the fork crown thimble without destroying it and if you do where can I get another pair?
I am preparing to have an old DL-1 powder coated.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL-1 fork bit posted by Keith Body on 11/25/2010 at 12:24:00 PM
Get a sharp blade just under the edge, and gradually lever it out. Sometimes a gentle tap on the back of the blade could help. Like a paint tin lid. We used to tap them in with a soft faced hammer.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL-1 fork bit posted by Keith Body on 11/25/2010 at 12:27:43 PM
From what I remember Handsworth was the home of Phillips Cycles in Birmingham.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   To paint or not to paint posted by: Terry Sappenfield on 12/5/2008 at 5:05:31 PM
Last Labor Day I purchased a Raleigh-made Phillips for $20 at a local flea market. My intent was to use it for "pieces and parts" as I was re-doing a Raleigh Sprite. As I pealed through the grime and oil, I realized that this bike was in better shape than the Sprite, especially the chrome which was darn near perfect. The problem was that although there was no rust on the frame, fork, chain-guard, and mudflaps, there were scratches and scrapes galore. I'm considering painting this bike and I have explored it. A pretty pricey project! (1) Is this a good or bad idea? (2) Anyone out there had any dealings with the bicycle painting company called Airglow in Georgia? They have an impressive website and I've talked to them a couple of times and got an estimate. They say they can also reproduce the original decals. Is this really true?
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   To paint or not to paint posted by Warren on 12/5/2008 at 6:47:12 PM
Terry. Here's a likely scenario. Don't ask me how I know...

You have an estimate but still, you should expect to pay hundreds of dollars for a quality paint job then add the cost of decals. What about pinstripes? Once you see how beautiful it looks, you'll want to replace all of the other rubber, steel and chrome bits and pieces that aren't up to snuff anymore.

When you're finished, you'll love the bike but be afraid to ride it in the rain or snow (in Georgia?). Your bike fetish has been outed by now...you get a couple more roadsters to ride all the time and you come to appreciate their stately original dignity. Your love for the Philips fades much quicker than the lustre of it's paint. You could easily have six hundred into it and you won't be able to sell it for $300 because it's not original.

You should clean it, touch up the paint, use some coloured wax like shoe polish to buff up the finish and enjoy the bike in all weather all the time. Add a few nice accessories like a Lucas bell or Dyno lights. And someone may give you $300 for it a few years down the road.

Meanwhile you can keep your eyes out for an all original, pristine, more collectible bike and snap it up for less money you would have spent on the restoration. It will appreciate in value.

As they say though, it's the journey, not the destination that counts. Have fun with it.




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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   To paint or not to paint posted by Stephen Hogben on 12/6/2008 at 1:50:34 PM
The old saying says"If you want a good job done,do it yourself" Over half the the fun of an old bike is doing it up yourself,learning by your mistakes and making a better job on the next project!Honest.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   To paint or not to paint posted by Matthew on 12/7/2008 at 6:58:35 AM
Hi Folks,

I hand paint my bikes, very carefully. Check flickr for the results.

Matthew - lunch with friends.
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   To paint or not to paint posted by Chris on 12/7/2008 at 6:56:35 PM
Have pinstriping or box lining done by a professional. It's a real art, and can't be faked properly. The surest way to mess up a lot of hard work on a vintage bike is to have an amateur do the box lining. The bike looks aweful with wrong box lining.
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