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AGE / VALUE:†††Wanted: 1920s era English Roadster, sunbeam, etc. posted by: DAVE on 11/9/2008 at 4:24:06 PM
I'M LOOKING TO BUY A 1920S ERA VINTAGE ENGLISH ROADSTER, A SUNBEAM PREFERRABLY, BUT OTHERS WITH SIMILAR FEATURES WOULD BE CONSIDERED, PLEASE EMAIL ME AT jcsrestoration@yahoo.com, thanks.

Dave
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Wanted: 1920s era English Roadster, sunbeam, etc. posted by sam on 11/9/2008 at 7:53:02 PM
Wish I could find a Mead of Liverpool,Got the headbadge only need the rest!
You might contact Hillary Stone , he has a large collection.
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Wanted: 1920s era English Roadster, sunbeam, etc. posted by Matthew on 11/10/2008 at 2:30:33 AM
Dave,

There are two on eBay, UK.

Matthew - on the look out
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††dynohub installation posted by: june on 11/9/2008 at 10:40:16 AM
restoration newbe, seeking install instructions for a 32 hole archer dynohub. bike is a 66 raleigh tourist dl1, rescued from shed in texas. never done this, will the spokes from my 28" wheel work with this dynohub? do i need shorter spokes, or do i just match the length by changing the angles of the spokes to the dynohub? any help would be appreciated. can't seem to find much info on this, especially with older rod-brake raleighs. june


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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††dynohub installation posted by Steve on 11/9/2008 at 1:44:42 PM
Hi June,

You need a little info on older bikes with 28 inch wheels, but it sounds like you mostly need general wheel building information which is available from a number of books and websites.

To replace the hub, you will need to remove the existing spokes (remove the tire and tube; you can unscrew the spoke nipples, or cut the spokes if they're seized from 30 years in the shed). The spoke length depends on the hub diameter. Since the dynohub has larger flanges than your current hub, you will need shorter spokes. In fact, you will need 2 different length spokes since the 2 sides (flanges) of the dynohub are different sized.

You'll then need to lace the dyno hub to your rim with new spokes and tension it. All of this is generic wheel building information; the only unusual aspect is the smaller flange on the dyno hub has larger holes so you can insert the spoke heads through the double holes.

Sheldon Brown's website
http://sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html
has information on basic lacing and wheelbuilding along with links to far more esoteric websites.

The easy to find the spoke lengths you need is to post on this website, and I can tell you when I installed a dynohub on my DL1, the two spoke lengths I required for the hub were

16 short spokes 11 5/ 8" (295 mm)
16 long spokes 11 15/16" (303 mm).

This is for a standard 635 diameter rim, for a 3 cross spoke pattern (the wheel building articles will tell you about spoke patterns).

For other hubs or rims, you can look up dimensions for the hub and rim in various databases, or measure your parts.

After you've laced the hub to the rim, you'll want to true the wheel by adjusting the spoke tension. Since the DL1 brake shoes work on the inside of the rim (not the edges) you'll want to make the wheel as round as possible.

Once the spokes are laced and tensioned correctly, make sure you install a rim strip before reinstalling the tub, so the spoke nipples don't puncture the tube. You can probably reuse your existing rim strip, or adhesive tape is easy and convenient.

Good luck. I'm sure people here will give you more help if you have more questions.

Steve


P.S.
If anyone has the ERD for the 28" rims, I'd be curious to know it, for lacing future hubs.
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††dynohub installation posted by Matthew on 11/16/2008 at 3:09:19 PM
Well the Raleigh Humber I now have in my fleet is 1948 and it has...... you guessed Raleigh pattern mudguards.

Matthew - Monsieur M'de Garde!
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Raleigh pattern mudgards posted by: Matthew on 11/8/2008 at 5:52:10 AM
Okay, lets open a debate which may run and run and continue for some time.

Raleigh pattern mudguards. When did they start? Who has evidence of proven original fitment of these mudguards?

I had a 1937 Hercules sports with these mudguards which I believe was an original fitment. I think a Brown Brothers' catalogue would be good evidence or a pre-war Raleigh catalogue.

Any clues?

Matthew - de-fender of de mudguards.
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Raleigh pattern mudgards posted by Warren on 11/8/2008 at 6:19:53 AM
Define Raleigh pattern mudguards...I'm not sure what you mean. I have a 54 Hercules club bike and the mudguards are not similar to any Raleigh model I've seen.
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Raleigh pattern mudgards posted by Steve on 11/8/2008 at 8:03:52 AM
Good question Matthew, I hope you're referring to the "go faster bullet" (chrome tip) jobs on the front mudguard/fender.

I have a front mudguard here that is made out of First World War tank metal and looks as though the "bullet" has been produced out of cast iron, it is attached to a 1930's Gundle trade bike/cycle truck and is awaiting some t.l.c.

The oldest Raleigh I have with the "bullet" is 1955 but I would have thought that they go back much further than that.

Hold on a second, I'm just going to nip down to the Bat Cave to see what I can see.......

O.k. I'm back, It's dark in there...1955 is the oldest I've got...all the other bikes have plain but solid curvature mudguards apart from a 34 Hercules that has the solid square edged profile and the trade bikes which also have solid guards of differing designs (and patches).

Be interesting to hear when the chrome tip (if it was chrome) first originated, if that is the question, apologies if I'm barking up the wrong tree.

Steve - on guard !
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Raleigh pattern mudgards posted by Matthew on 11/8/2008 at 11:09:10 AM
Raleigh pattern mudguards have a ridge running radially the entire length of the mudguard and the front mudguard has a chrome plated 'bullet' fitted, as a safety feature, to the leading edge of the mudguard.

Matthew - its all in the details
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Raleigh pattern mudgards posted by Stephen Hogben on 11/8/2008 at 2:19:34 PM
My regular ride is what I thought was a 1960,s Hercules.I thought it was a 1960,s because when I was a boy (about 40 years ago,Hmm Hmm)I was bought a brand new Raleigh,the first with the chrome look plastic front light.Boy was I proud!This had the bullet on the front mud guard and also the chain guard which was straight along the top and dropped back at about 45 degrees,which always used to catch your trouser bottoms! Both of these are present on the Hercules so thought that Raleigh must have produced it.Now you have thrown me into confusion on the date! Any clues on dating a Hercules?
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Raleigh pattern mudgards posted by Steve on 11/8/2008 at 4:28:24 PM
Hi Stephen, my wife has a 62 Raleigh with the style of chainguard you mention above.
If it's a geared Hercules, I presume you've checked the hub for year/month dates.
What does the badge state...Birmingham or Nottingham ?
Failing the above, I suppose, profile of handlebars, angle of frame and gut feelings come into the equation.
I've never seen a Hercules serial number dating chart, although I did once go out with a girl named Hercules, but she was a lot older than me and liked spinach !

Steve - naughty
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Raleigh pattern mudgards posted by Steve on 11/10/2008 at 11:45:04 AM
I think that there might be similarities to the standard Raleigh pattern mudguard/fender produced in the 1920's.

Now, I'm no expert at this, but I have had (and still have one) of these front mudguards with the "bullet", but the profile of the guard is more flatter as opposed to curved
at the pointed end !

Who produced this slightly differing design (and when), or did Raleigh themselves streamline it at a later date ?

Did Raleigh buy in their mudguards/fenders or were they produced in house ?

I'm afraid we've got no catalogues at this house.

Steve - so many questions !

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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Raleigh pattern mudgards posted by Stephen Hogben on 11/11/2008 at 8:54:56 AM
Thanks for answering Steve,the Hercules I have is a single speed model so no dating it that way!It was however made in Birmingham. Thanks again.Any info would be grateful!
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Raleigh pattern mudgards posted by Matthew on 11/11/2008 at 11:00:48 AM
Hercules were sucked in to the Raleigh machine in 1948. This info I got from the V-CC Hercules marque specialist.

Matthew - marque my words.
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Raleigh pattern mudgards posted by Stephen Hogben on 11/11/2008 at 3:30:04 PM
Thank you Matthew,is there no end to your knowledge of push bikes? Here,s a question,on the way to work the other day I drove past an old "rodder" (late for work) so could not stop,it was being furiosly pedalled by some youngster,and it was bright green!Probably hand painted again,but was there ever a marque painted green?
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Raleigh pattern mudgards posted by Geoff Rogers on 11/13/2008 at 1:54:36 PM
My two 1953 Superbes (one rod braked, one calipered) both have the Raleigh pattern mudguards. My 1947 Dawn Tourist (26" wheels, rod brakes) has round cross-section mudguards.
All my older bikes are either club models or Phillips/TI, so this isn't much help.
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Raleigh pattern mudgards posted by Steve on 11/14/2008 at 5:20:22 AM
Do I hear any advance on 1953 ?

If I had any late 40's early 50's catalogues, I'd have a look, but guess what...I haven't got any !

More to the point, are they still producing it, in some far flung part of the globe ?

Steve - yet more questions, and I'll have one about Bluemels soon !
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Raleigh pattern mudgards posted by Ralph Thompstone on 12/21/2008 at 10:32:25 AM
On which side of the front fork is the brazed-on lamp bracket situated (for English roads)?
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††New delivery bikes posted by: Kevin on 11/7/2008 at 2:39:03 PM
Stumbled into this website, featuring the very latest in delivery bicycles ... http://antbikemike.com/flom.html
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††New delivery bikes posted by sciencemonster on 11/8/2008 at 3:35:58 PM
THose are the most spectacularly unrealistic prices I've EVER seen in my life.

Astounding.
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††New delivery bikes posted by Matthew on 11/8/2008 at 4:28:08 PM
Thanks Sciencemonster. I thought I was only me who would think that way and that I was just plain mean with money. The prices are the sort of 'What can we get folks to pay?' prices.

Matthew - financially frugal.
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††New delivery bikes posted by Steve on 11/8/2008 at 4:37:36 PM
I did have a quick look at the site, saw the prices and quickly departed.
I never gave it a second thought until reading the above messages.

Steve - no comment.
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††New delivery bikes posted by Kevin on 11/8/2008 at 4:59:25 PM
I agree. If I wanted to spend that kind of money for a delivery vehicle, I'd go with a pickup truck.
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††New delivery bikes posted by Thom J. on 11/10/2008 at 10:30:32 AM
They are beautiful bikes and I'm glad that someone is making "new" bikes in this style rather than more of the wannabe racers. Agreed, the prices are up there.....but if you've got the money then buy one. For me, the price of one of those bikes is way more than the cost my current collection of five bikes and still allows me several hundreds of dollars to buy goodies with. I must be getting old. Thom.
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FOR SALE:†††A Sunbeam , a sunbeam .... posted by: Matthew on 11/6/2008 at 3:24:32 PM
Not my auction, not for sale by anyone known to me.

This is so gorgeous, it should not be restored to within an inch of its life but should jsut be purchased, maintained and ridden, preferably on sunny days along leafy lanes whilst whilstling tunes by Elgar.

eBay item number: 150308497248

Matthew - a ray of hope?
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†††††††††† RE:FOR SALE:†††A Sunbeam , a sunbeam .... posted by Thom J. on 11/6/2008 at 4:07:19 PM
Very nice.....but a little to "rustic" for me. If I only knew/had a way to get bikes shipped cheaply from the UK I'd be doing some serious shopping.
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†††††††††† RE:RE:FOR SALE:†††A Sunbeam , a sunbeam .... posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 11/7/2008 at 3:13:44 AM
Very nice. I would think one would have to give very serious attention to the rims if nothing else. Otherwise I think the brake blocks would pretty much be gone inside of 5 miles or so.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - drooling towel at the ready!
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†††††††††† RE:FOR SALE:†††A Sunbeam , a sunbeam .... posted by Kevin on 11/7/2008 at 5:23:18 AM
I agree, Matthew -- I'd just clean it, wax it, replace the tires, and ride it. They're only original ONCE. I have never seen brake levers like that -- were they used a lot on bikes with rod brakes and drop bars?
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†††††††††† RE:FOR SALE:†††A Sunbeam , a sunbeam .... posted by Matthew on 11/7/2008 at 10:43:17 AM
The brake levers are quite early, possibly from the nineteen teens or early twenties.

Matthew - ain't no stopping us now.
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†††††††††† RE:FOR SALE:†††A Sunbeam , a sunbeam .... posted by Steve on 11/7/2008 at 12:44:47 PM
I like it but...the front mudguard is meaty, but is it original, has the "go faster bullet" really been around for over half a century.

I asked this very question a few months back and drew a silence.
It's quite something if the "go faster bullet" (if it is original) has been around for such an amazing length of time.

Steve - Never mind whistling along leafy lanes disturbing all the birds, you could be singing at the top of your voice..."Jesus wants me for a Sunbeam" !
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†††††††††† RE:FOR SALE:†††A Sunbeam , a sunbeam .... posted by Steve on 11/7/2008 at 12:54:05 PM
I've gone to look for a hymn book, I've forgotten the rest of the words...hmmm, whistling probably was the better option !

Steve
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†††††††††† RE:FOR SALE:†††A Sunbeam , a sunbeam .... posted by Shaun on 11/7/2008 at 4:33:50 PM
Hello.

The bike is mine and I am selling it!

I stumbled upon this website whilst researching the bike, and found this discussion.

Is anyone able to tell me anything about this model?

The frame number is 156484.

Can anyone date the bike from this? And tell me what model it is?

I'd also appreciate it if anyone could tell me if there are any inaccuracies in my auction description, I wouldn't want to mislead anyone. Or perhaps any oversights I've made.

Thanks!

Shaun.

(You can email me if you like at mranonimouse 'at' hotmail 'dot' com )
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†††††††††† RE:FOR SALE:†††A Sunbeam , a sunbeam .... posted by Steve on 11/8/2008 at 12:35:34 AM
Hi Shaun,

You've stumbled across a very knowledgable website and you also have a fine bike, I hope you've got it undercover, you wouldn't want to get it rusty !

Frame numbers keep me awake at night...I haven't had a good nights sleep for years, but fear not, if you Google Sunbeam there is/are a site/s for many Sunbeam products, one of which manages somehow to date elderly bikes.
I haven't been on the site for quite a while but see no reason why it should still not be there (I'll check after have finished my breakfast).

Is the front mudguard made out of First World War tank metal ?

Good luck - Steve
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†††††††††† RE:FOR SALE:†††A Sunbeam , a sunbeam .... posted by Steve on 11/8/2008 at 12:42:30 AM
Shaun,

Google Sunbeam Bicycles and check out the links.

Steve - It should lead to many Routes !
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†††††††††† RE:FOR SALE:†††A Sunbeam , a sunbeam .... posted by Matthew on 11/8/2008 at 5:49:24 AM
Shaun,

I am sorry I didn't lead you straight here; it never occurred to me to do so. I am 'Marshuns' on eBay.

Matthew - also available in real life.
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†††††††††† RE:FOR SALE:†††A Sunbeam , a sunbeam .... posted by Shaun on 11/8/2008 at 9:16:50 AM
Matthew - No worries, it's only when people started asking questions that it occurred to me to do some research!

Steve - Thanks, for some reason I had limited my google searching to "vintage sunbeam bicylces". Also, I wouldn't know first world war tank metal if it hit me in the face!

Thanks for your help, I've also added more pictures of the bike to my auction.
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†††††††††† RE:FOR SALE:†††A Sunbeam , a sunbeam .... posted by Steve on 11/9/2008 at 4:06:21 AM
I've just studied the photographs again, and even though I have a basic ladies Sunbeam here, this is a lovely machine and is a little special.

Steve - makes you think !
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†††††††††† RE:FOR SALE:†††A Sunbeam , a sunbeam .... posted by Pete on 11/9/2008 at 5:32:14 AM
Shaun take a look here http://canberrabicyclemuseum.com.au/non-australian%20manuf%20articles.htm
right at the bottom of the page you will find verified dates from bills of sale for frame numbers of early Sunbeams.Looks to me like yours is mid to late twenties.
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†††††††††† RE:FOR SALE:†††A Sunbeam , a sunbeam .... posted by Steve on 11/9/2008 at 10:27:28 AM
Nice one Pete, I've not seen that one before.

Steve
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†††††††††† RE:FOR SALE:†††A Sunbeam , a sunbeam .... posted by Matthew on 11/10/2008 at 2:35:34 AM
Hey Pete,

That is handy news and it confirms that my guessometer is working well as I had estimated 1920s for this machine.

Matthew - its all in the feel of things
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†††††††††† RE:FOR SALE:†††A Sunbeam , a sunbeam .... posted by Pete on 11/10/2008 at 3:48:48 PM
Matthew as always you really do "know your onions" as they say.
Cheers Pete...
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†††††††††† RE:FOR SALE:†††A Sunbeam , a sunbeam .... posted by Shaun on 11/12/2008 at 1:52:55 PM
"This is so gorgeous, it should not be restored to within an inch of its life but should jsut be purchased, maintained and ridden, preferably on sunny days along leafy lanes whilst whilstling tunes by Elgar."

Damn, comments like that make me think that I might be missing out on something by selling this bike!

Thanks again for all your help.

I've decided to offer international shipping now due to people asking about it. It's not cheap though. :(
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AGE / VALUE:†††In need of help for a Humber bike posted by: Dave on 11/5/2008 at 9:21:59 PM
I just came across an old Humber. Its rod braked, enclosed chainguard. It looks to be all original. Dunlop 28" tyres, Lucas bell and headlamp. It has a 2 speed sturmey (ribbon style) with a top tube shifter. It has serial# M7998 with a 12 beneath that, under the seat.

It also has a rear rack that has spiral arms leading to the bolt. On the rack is a side pannier that is screwed in to the rack, with a gas mask that looks really old.

I need help with any information about the bike. Production date, and model. Im thinking its made maybe around the late 30's.

Any help will do. Thanks


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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††In need of help for a Humber bike posted by Steve on 11/6/2008 at 1:54:29 AM
Hello Dave,
Any chance of a nice big juicy photograph so that we can see the finer details.

Steve
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††In need of help for a Humber bike posted by Dave on 11/6/2008 at 10:39:28 AM
here are some links

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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††In need of help for a Humber bike posted by Steve on 11/6/2008 at 1:12:18 PM
Thanks for the photos.

I will stick my neck on the block and say 1934 - 1939.

The handlebar profile is similar to a 1934 bike I have here, the top-tube shifter also looks the part.

The mudguards/fenders look a little skinny in comparison to a rod bike I have here of 1934 vintage with square sided chunky mudguards, but I do have a 36 Hercules with similar profile mudguards to your Humber.

I'm trying to think when Humber were absorbed.

Come on gents, I've had a long day at work and my mind is going...what think you !

Steve - tired
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††In need of help for a Humber bike posted by dave on 11/6/2008 at 3:35:25 PM
I've been around old english 3's, but not this old. My knowledge of this bike is extremely limited.

Would you call this a "true" Hum. or a Raleigh Hum? What can I look for to better my finding? The pedals say "made in Eng." and have a "MP" near the bearings. I've noticed that the side bag has a faint name written on it with a "U.S" stamp on it. Absolutely all the painted symbols including the head badge are missing except for a faint "UMB" and what looks to be part of the lion symbol in gold paint on the chain case. Other than that, I didn't know it was a Hum until I took off the chain case piece and saw the "men".

The fenders are flat and square shaped as you (Steve) described. Very thick, 3 inches or so. I thought the tyres were the same. However, one is a french Michelin and the other is a Brit Dunlop.

You guys know "a lot" more than I do. Any questions for me?



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†††††††††† RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††In need of help for a Humber bike posted by Christopher on 11/6/2008 at 6:28:45 PM
Humber was absorbed in 1932

Raleigh's Sir Frank Bowden lured away Humber's general manager, D.W. Basset as well as other key Humber personel.
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††In need of help for a Humber bike posted by Matthew on 11/7/2008 at 10:48:19 AM
Steve is probably on the money with this one.

The mudguards and frame angles suggest early thirties but the amount Humleigh Ralber parts suggest post take over.

What a lovely bike.

Matthew - in my humber opinion
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††In need of help for a Humber bike posted by Dave on 11/7/2008 at 11:33:39 AM
Thanks guys.

I can't wait to bring it to life.
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††In need of help for a Humber bike posted by Steve on 11/7/2008 at 2:35:40 PM
Get your best magnifying glass out of the drawer and analyse the hub for digital clues, then report back for possible further comments.

Steve
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†††††††††† RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††In need of help for a Humber bike posted by Chris on 11/7/2008 at 7:45:45 PM
These mudguards did not appear on the Humber bikes that were produced after Raleigh absorbed Humber.

These square ish mudguards tell us the bike is a real Humber from back in the pre Raleigh day.

I remember the metal of the square mudguards was very thin, more thin than the metal of the Raleigh mudgaurds.
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†††††††††† RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††In need of help for a Humber bike posted by Chris on 11/7/2008 at 7:48:15 PM
Please take more pictures and post them here. we need more pictures and more angles and close ups please.
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††In need of help for a Humber bike posted by angga on 11/20/2008 at 8:36:57 AM
my humber is EA64890, years?
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†††††††††† RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††In need of help for a Humber bike posted by Pram on 11/24/2008 at 4:50:58 PM
I have one old bike from my grandfather, he past a long time ago. My grandmother said that was Humber. I look the picture of humber 301L, 302L its look similar with mine but i still doubt, serial number is AJN2960. is that true that was a humber? Im in indonesia now. Please tell me the information about my bike. Thanks anyway

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MISC:†††Amsterdam bicycle culture posted by: Jeff Bikeguy on 11/5/2008 at 7:31:22 AM
A friend sent me this link. It's a fun website dedicated to an American's view of the bike culture in Amsterdam. I like all the roadsters, trade bikes and folders pictured on the site.

http://www.ski-epic.com/amsterdam_bicycles/
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†††††††††† RE:MISC:†††Amsterdam bicycle culture posted by JDuck on 11/6/2008 at 11:18:09 AM
Wow, this guy is over awed with real people riding real bicycles for their main means of transport(and very valuable to them)! He must have had a very bad experience with a bottle generator. It makes peddling twice as hard? Mine is hardly noticable.
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†††††††††† RE:RE:MISC:†††Amsterdam bicycle culture posted by Warren on 11/6/2008 at 6:29:18 PM
I think many generators are installed improperly with too much friction. Many older ones were like this.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Who was looking for a DL-1? posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 11/4/2008 at 2:36:03 PM
Ebay item: 180304326234

With a Buy it now price of $220 I'm tempted to snatch this one up myself!

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - it would be DL-1 #2 if I did....
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Who was looking for a DL-1? posted by Thom J. on 11/4/2008 at 2:44:00 PM
That would probably be me. Been looking for some time. I don't see the "Buy it Now" tag that you mentioned. Thom J.
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†††††††††† RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Who was looking for a DL-1? posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 11/4/2008 at 2:50:24 PM
Drat... someone bid on it.... hence the buy-it-now vanished.

Sorry Thom... though perhaps U might jump in on it... and whoever bid on it thinking they could get it on the cheap... shame on them.

Later!

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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Who was looking for a DL-1? posted by Thom J. on 11/4/2008 at 3:00:39 PM
Thanks for the "heads-up" Larry. I'll be watching it in My E-bay to see how the bidding goes. I definately plan on jumping in on this one. Thom J.
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Who was looking for a DL-1? posted by David on 11/5/2008 at 11:28:41 AM
I recently picked one up that is in OK shape. Taller frame, 70s, good original tires, complete but no pump, B72 saddle in decent shape. Chrome is not perfect and there is a little rust, but it's basically ok. I was going to put it on ebay. I'm looking for $250 + actual shipping. Email me for pictures if you have any interest. It's in Boston.
beandk at rcn dot com
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Who was looking for a DL-1? posted by Thom J. on 11/5/2008 at 12:16:15 PM
Hello David- Thank you for your reply. Please do send me the photos you have of your DL-1. I'll re-confirm this to you off-list also. Thx so much....Thom.
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AGE / VALUE:†††'69 or '59 Rudge Sports 3 spd posted by: Paul on 11/3/2008 at 9:44:13 PM
Hi all,
Need some help. I just picked up a ladies Rudge Sports. Having a little trouble reading the stamp on the rear hub, but based on components like cable vs rod brakes and metal framed, flat, rubber pedals, I think it's a '69. Anyway, I've been told this is a fairly desirable cycle and that I should ebay it. It's a bit rough. Most chrome is rusty, black frame paint/gold markings are pretty decent under all the dirt, though fenders are somewhat rusty. Appears to be all original, except maybe the tires. Head badge intact, Brooks leather saddle, grips appear original and in good shape, it has pump mounts but no pump, but otherwise complete. I'm told most of them were made in England. The "Made in" label on this one is damaged, but I can make out "Made in The Republic of Ir...clearly Ireland. More rare?? Equipped with a metal, double basket/rear rack. Now the ??? How much cleaning, fixing should I do before I list it(I do ok but I'm no resto expert)and when I list it, I'd like to put a reserve on it...how much? Should I leave the baskets on or remove them? Anything else I should know? Thanks to any and all who reply!
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††'69 or '59 Rudge Sports 3 spd posted by Warren on 11/4/2008 at 4:43:54 AM
Older Rudges were a premium line of bikes but condition is everything with these bikes and a women's Rudge, in less than great shape may not make much money.
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††'69 or '59 Rudge Sports 3 spd posted by Paul on 11/4/2008 at 5:14:37 PM
Thanks Warren. Can you define "not much money"
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††'69 or '59 Rudge Sports 3 spd posted by Kevin on 11/4/2008 at 5:45:09 PM
Warren is right. I got a nice ladies' Rudge for $35 at a bike show last winter. It even had new tubes, tubes and brake blocks.
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††'69 or '59 Rudge Sports 3 spd posted by Frank Bowden on 11/4/2008 at 11:31:30 PM
I picked up a 1947 Rudge with original pump and bell good condition except repainted for $50AU. Most people on this site are doing it for the love and not the money?
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††'69 or '59 Rudge Sports 3 spd posted by Kevin on 11/5/2008 at 5:19:03 AM
I think that old English 3-speeds are the best buys around. Hardly anybody around here collects them. Everyone else is looking for Sting-Rays or ballooners with horn tanks. I prefer bikes that you can actually ride and enjoy ... not just polish and stare at. As everyone on this forum knows, the three-speeds have a charm and understated beauty all their own.
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††'69 or '59 Rudge Sports 3 spd posted by David on 11/6/2008 at 2:36:03 AM
The Irish-built ones seem to be especially prone to rust. My wife has one that has suffered more than the rest of the fleet. Unless it were in quite good cosmetic and mechanical condition, I don't think you're likely to do better than $100 or so on ebay for a women's frame Sports.
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††'69 or '59 Rudge Sports 3 spd posted by Paul on 11/6/2008 at 12:00:27 PM
Wow! Thanks for all the input everyone! To Frank, I have a love of bicycles or I wouldn't be here, but the fact is, I just have no place to put collectibles. I'm disabled and needed a hobby and having been an obsessed motorcycle racer/enthusiast all my life(who can no longer ride) this is how is stay on and around two wheels. I guess my main interest is in getting these great bikes out of the garages and basements and being used or at least polished and gawked at, rather than in the back of a barn, covered with bird crap. I'm pretty poor on SSDI and can't do what I do without making some money too. I have a few select rides of my own that are 15-40 years old, but my wife will behead me if add any more to the 13 I already have. The garage and basement are already choked and there's 3 I just acquired yesterday in the driveway. And Kevin, I'm with you! If ya got'em, RIDE 'em! So anyway gang, thanks for all your help!! I'm relatively new to the buy/sell/trade of bicycles and I'm learning something from everyone. Thanks!
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††'69 or '59 Rudge Sports 3 spd posted by Bryan on 11/7/2008 at 8:54:40 AM
For someone in your shoes, I'd recommend selling it as is rather than putting any effort into restoring it. You will likely not get the money back if you start spending money to restore it.

These bikes come out remarkably nice after a little effort with some polish. Perhaps if you cleaned it up your wife wouldn't object so much if you keep it?

Or, just let the new owner clean it up to their personal standard.

These bikes are tools. They are very valuable to someone who needs that tool, but in terms of collectability, they are not worth as much as people sometimes think.

So either enjoy it, or sell it for what you can get and let the next person enjoy it.
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††'69 or '59 Rudge Sports 3 spd posted by Richard on 11/7/2008 at 7:46:22 PM
Just got into fixing up old bikes about 5 months ago I'm a disabled Vet and needed something to keep occupied. I never realized what a great pastime it could be I picked up a 1949 Lady's Rudge 3 speed at an auction looks like it probably has been inside and hardly used everything functions even the tires look new which is amazing. They are a solid bike and an easy sell around the college town I live in.This is the first one Ive found very similar to a old Schwinn or Columbia .Good luck to the bike guys
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††'69 or '59 Rudge Sports 3 spd posted by Paul on 1/7/2009 at 9:07:09 PM
Thanks for all the feedback everyone. Sorry for the late response but I've been in and out of the hospital the lastcouple of months. All good input and all appreciated! Paul
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AGE / VALUE:†††63 raleigh posted by: sam on 11/3/2008 at 7:08:43 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Vintage-Moped-Raleigh-Essex-RM8-Automatic_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1163Q7c39Q3a1Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem350119235905QQitemZ350119235905
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††63 raleigh posted by Paul on 11/3/2008 at 9:43:02 PM
Hi Sam,
It's Paul tht responded to your ebay ad and referred you here. I talked to my friend here and he suggested the following sites for good info on your Raleigh.
www.mopedarmy.com or
www.mopedarmy2.com
Hope you do well with it!
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††63 raleigh posted by Matthew on 11/4/2008 at 10:01:09 AM
Better still try http://www.thebuzzingclub.co.uk/

Matthew - get the buzz.
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††63 raleigh posted by David on 11/6/2008 at 2:42:56 AM
Please just post the ebay item # or use tinyurl to make a manageable link.
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AGE / VALUE:†††t- shirt ideas posted by: Chris on 11/3/2008 at 6:55:57 PM
I hope this will be something that knocks 'em on their a**, when they get up I want them to say: I want one of those shirts one for myself! and one for so and so who just has to have one of these. I want them buying two of the shirts at once.
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AGE / VALUE:†††Oldroads.com t shirt idea posted by: Chris on 11/3/2008 at 6:51:27 PM
You can take a picture and have it put onto fabric. Open your mind to the unusual, think outside the box. Be different, unique.

Hey Keith Body, what are your thoughts?
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AGE / VALUE:†††T shirt posted by: S.H. on 11/3/2008 at 5:21:47 PM
Flippen heck, this T shirt thing is going nuts! (good!)How about print all the makes of bikes on one side B S A etc etc plus the U.S.bikes and the flags of both countries,and on the other side,I have to agree a Roadster!
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††T shirt posted by Chris on 11/3/2008 at 6:45:25 PM
I agree, combine this with the fairy. Everybody loves to garbage pick and an old bike never gets left long at the kerb.
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MISC:†††SA parts at Harris posted by: David on 11/1/2008 at 2:26:20 PM
I was in Harris Cyclery a few months ago after some SA parts and they told me they had a bought a very large lot of Sturmey parts. So, if you're looking for something oddball, they may have it.
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AGE / VALUE:   sturmey archer part posted by: joe scanlan on 11/1/2008 at 6:14:22 AM
I am looking for a replacement part: the white plastic triangular cable stop that insets into a stainless steel clamp on the front downtube and that the shifter cable threads through. For a mid-70s DL-100.
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:   sturmey archer part posted by David on 11/1/2008 at 2:26:07 PM
Called "fulcrum"
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