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WANTED:ÊÊÊrod brake parts posted by: joe scanlan on 11/1/2008 at 6:09:24 AM
I am looking for one rod brake set screw for a mid 70s DL-100. This is the screw that has a stop cap on one end, a washer and bolt on the other, and an eye hole in the middle that the adjustable brake rod threads through.
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           RE:WANTED:ÊÊÊrod brake parts posted by Chris on 11/3/2008 at 6:46:38 PM
called a "brake tube eye bolt"
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WANTED:   Sturmey Archer S5 parts needed posted by: Ed on 10/29/2008 at 6:35:47 PM
I am looking for Sturmey Archer S5 parts. I need a bellcrank #HSJ 679, pinion pin HSA 135, secondary sun pinion HSA 141. thank you
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           RE:WANTED:   Sturmey Archer S5 parts needed posted by Mark Stonich on 10/31/2008 at 7:40:51 PM
I have bellcranks and a friend stocks the secondary sun pinions. I'd be surprised if he doesn't have the pins. Contact me off list at mark@bikesmithdesign.com
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MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by: Thom J. on 10/28/2008 at 1:52:38 PM
It just crossed my mind, painfull as it may be at times, was there ever an Old Roads t-shirt done up? Any ideas or interest in one if there hasn't been one? TJ.
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           RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles on 10/29/2008 at 4:09:42 AM
We recently had a bumper sticker done (picture below).
There are about 25 left and we'll send one to anyone who wants one for the cost of shipping ($4).

About 10 years ago we did a mug, and that was pretty popular.

I'm open to doing a t-shirt or something if there is interest.

-Vin


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           RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Chris on 10/29/2008 at 5:58:41 PM
Vin, please save one for me. humberchristopher29@hotmail.com

I'll drop the 4.00 in the mail thursday morning.
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           RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by sam on 10/29/2008 at 7:14:25 PM
"GOT" whatever is over done---Oldroads needs a "classy" T-shirt
Let's hear some real ideas! ...????
sam
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/30/2008 at 2:30:29 AM
Hmmmm.... this could be quite challenging. It would be easy enough should Oldroads be just... the English Roadster Discussion Board.....

But Oldroads goes far beyond that. To capture the overall "essence" of the site... might take a bit more.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Gettin' my "creative" mojo on.....
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           RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles on 10/30/2008 at 3:51:30 AM
Old guy riding a bicycle and wearing a thong?
No, maybe not.

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           RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Chris on 10/30/2008 at 8:22:16 AM
ok, if we are going to do this, we have to do it right. I mean we must have people approaching you and asking where they can get this awesome, totally bitchin, radical, kick ass! shirt that ignites the sleeping passion to collect and restore old vintage bicycles. That lies dormant in everyb ody. We want people to be amassing old bicycles in every room of their house and be building bike sheds and roaming the streets on garbage night collecting all the old bicycles before the garbage truck arrives. -be it a Schwinn Sting Ray, Balloon tire bikes with the tank, the old lightweight touring bike, or a rod brake Raleigh.
The shirt must do something to give them the "old bicycle bug." It has to bite them, at first sight, call out to them, to memories of childhood or the happier times of youth.
The freedom of cycling. The peace of mind.
the unspoken, "call of the wild"
What I am grasping to relay to you in type has to be transferred onto fabric.


"Where can I get one of those shirts?" they have to be wanting one.
I want to hear that Vin "can't keep the shirts in stock" and that we have a upsurge of new visitors to the site.

I'll think on this....
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           RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Thom J. on 10/30/2008 at 10:01:23 AM
Wow....interesting to far. Here's my $0.02 worth of design input. Basic layout of small image and print on front either centered or off to the left side and large images and print on back. Back side images to contain four quadrants containing a simple image of a balloon tire cruiser, english roadster, "sting-ray" type bike and a road/touring type bike. Above the images would be printed: Menotomy Bicycles or ? and below the images would be printed: www.oldroads.com. The front side image would be the big wheel/bone shaker with either Menotomy or Old Roads underneath the image. I'm guessing that the images should be fairly simple in design not only to keep costs down but to be easily identifiyable by the genreal public. I'm partial to grey since I can wear it with almost anything. Thom J.
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by ken on 10/30/2008 at 11:14:57 AM
I'm in with my two cents... Use the line art images in the home page graphic, framed like pictures on film in a chest-high horizontal stripe (like vintage road jerseys) - bone shaker, high wheeler, phantom, roadster, stingray, road bike

OldRoads
( graphic strip )
at Menotomy Vintage Bicycles

-Oh, and don't make it white... they get grungy fast.

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           RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Geoff Rogers on 10/30/2008 at 1:39:02 PM
Hey, I'm with Chris on this one. We need to inspire with the design, get the ol' collecting and scrounging juices flowing. I think a guy emerging from a dumpster (that's a skip to our mates across the pond), carrying an old Raleigh would be about right.
Geoff Rogers
(a lot less then 2 cents)
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles on 10/30/2008 at 1:50:14 PM
FYI the bumper stickers are gone.
Thanks.

The dumpster idea really should be incorporated in there somewhere..
I also like the idea of showing several different styles of cycles so it grabs the interest of more people.

Does it make sense to work any gasoline-saving theme, too, or is that trying to do too much?

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           RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles on 10/30/2008 at 2:27:47 PM
And does it make sense to use something reflective, in case someone was to wear this shirt while riding?
There are companies that print with a reflective ink.

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           RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Stephen Hogben on 10/30/2008 at 3:49:28 PM
Well,what about the image we have all seen of man progressing from Ape to man,you know the crouching Neanderthal to modern upright man,put him on on bikes,like a Flintstone bike on the first and a mountain bike on the last!Might make people think about the future,and hang on to their bikes for the next phase.Probably a daft idea,but who knows? "Three Sheds"
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Chris on 10/30/2008 at 5:55:26 PM
We have to find a way to get these shirts into the bike shops. Onto the walls of bicycle shops. I always heard from shop mechaincs and shop people old roads.com ? what's that?

I also heard "Sheldon Who?"
that is something we need to change. Put oldroads.com onto the lips and into the minds of many people. They will log on to see what oldroads.com is all about.
Part of this is doing what is necessary to build the site and interest in these bikes into a big deal.
Perhaps a mountain bike theme in there as well, tweek it a tad, so it fits into a modern bike shop's line of merchandise.
Reflective ink is a great idea.
If you build it, they will come.

Perhaps a sexy green winged fairy holding a vintage bike aloft saving it from the garbage truck?

We are looking up at her, feel free to look at the famous bike posters of the past for inspiration, break some rules, jazz it up, have fun with it, push the envelope, make it sexy.
I am excited about this!
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           RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by mark on 10/30/2008 at 6:39:07 PM
Perhaps a sexy green winged fairy holding a vintage bike aloft saving it from the garbage truck? i really like this idea!!!very few lines make a nice winged girl and dumpster and half bike,i see it and i like it.
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           RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Steve on 10/31/2008 at 2:28:53 AM
I can only really approach this subject from the English Roadster/Trade Bike (Cycle Truck) angle so my comments might be somewhat biased as I only have limited interest in other types.

The permitations really are endless and trying to find a middle ground that is satisfying to all is going to be quite interesting.

I suppose getting the message across clearly (and quickly) is the prime objective.

Anyhow, as I was eating my eggs on toast this morning whilst staring down the frost covered garden towards my Aladdins Cave, I came out with a few thoughts...for what it's worth.

Shirt styles :-

1. Segmented - To cover the variety of subjects dealt with on Oldroads, hence something in it for everyone.

2. One large graphic/picture front and rear
Fantasy - Winged fairy holding bike etc (I also can picture this) or
Classic - English Roadster or American equivalent or
a mixture of the two (Fantasy & Classic) front and rear.

3. 40 Spokes - For the Techno Historian
Basically a bike wheel, each spoke with a famous bicycle name. Front and rear hence 80 famous names to conjure with. Might get fiddly...but it's just an idea.

4. I was going to mention mountain bike, I have no interest in these and would imagine that there's hundreds of outfits covering this very subject.

5. Trade Bike/Cycle Truck graphic with the advertising plate adorned with Oldroads.com
Simple, classic, direct etc. I think it really depends on who one is really trying to attract to the website.

How many more people are there out there secretly restoring old bikes (or maybe not so old) ?

There's certainly lots of admirers, I ride all my bikes throughout the year (including winter) and heads are always turning to have a look at ...that old bike !

Steve - a brief diversion !


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           RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Matthew on 10/31/2008 at 10:56:15 AM
Hi Folks,

I think there might be scope for more than one design? I like the ape to man idea; hobby horse to safety cycle perhaps?
The skip (dumpster) idea also has very good potential.

Vin, it would be worth looking at the sort of stuff that six-six-one, animal, etc produce for the MTB boys and girls. Also look at skate stuff too.

Another idea would be to mimic an existing design, without infringing copyright. Then the eye catch is in the detail.

Matthew - small or extra small please!
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           RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by greg on 10/31/2008 at 3:40:09 PM
how's about an old 3-speed rear wheel laying on its side like its resting on the ground all alone all by itself
maybe use that reflective ink for a spoke reflecter
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Christopher on 10/31/2008 at 6:56:18 PM
A huge number of old bicycle posters had a diva, (goddess) of some sort. Usually they were topless but not always and Raleigh had a "Raleigh girl" and dressed, half dressed or whatever there were always beautiful ladies with bikes, astride bikes or holding up a bike over her head. (but I don't want to suggest that topless women with bikes are appropriate here, because it is not)

I was thinking of a famous Rudge (or Desese) poster with a winged fairy in a scantily dressed outfit and she is hoplding up a bike and there are a field full of people mostly or all men and they are looking up in awe at her with the bike. She is about 20 feet higher up than the heads of the men. everybody was entranced looking at her and she's holding up a bike.

I decided to alter it with the fairy pulling an old bike out of a junk pile or pulling it from the trash pile that is at the kerb with the approaching headlights of the gartbage truck in the pre- dawn- morning.

Sex sells, they have been using women in bicycle posters and advertising for ever and they still do.
classy, not vulgar but it has to have some hot, trendy bite to it. We are apealing to older folks but also to the young teens that are currently holding old bikes they want to hop up, jazz up, restore, learn about and ride.
I am thinking about the Von Dutch t- shirts that are so popular. hats and shirts and stuff. jaz up the lettering oldroads.com

have the fairy beside a old winding country road?

I really want these shirts to wind up a favorite item in the bike shops. On the shelves and soon sold out.

I had a lot of bike shops ask who Sheldon was and they had never heard of oldorads.com and that really bothered me to hear it so regularly. Especially when they asked who Sheldon Brown was, that was too much.

I want to fan the flickering flame and see this web site explode and grow. I dream about the future when logging onto oldroads.com will be such much more of a treat and a resource than it currently is.

This t shirt is a start a spark to ignite some awesome things for the future.
over a year ago,
I have a bike shop friend in Michigan and I showed him some pictures and ideas and I mentioned t- shirts and we were talking in the morning before he opened up for the day and he liked my idea and he said

"That's f---ing cool! I'd buy one of those!" He suggested a minor change but I was onto something.

I lost things in a storage unit and I have since moved and I don't have my patterns and material. So that is shelved for awhile.

However, what he said, is what you want to hear. It has to be "f---ing cool" and inspire them to grab one, take it home and wear it. Also to look up just what all oldroads.com is about. This has to leap out from the bicycle shops.

Where do you find these old bicycles? at the bike shops in the used or trade in section, people see old bikes such as ours in the bike shops they are in the hands of folks who came to that shop wanting tires or tubes or an overhaul or perhaps they wanted a replacement indicator chain.

I'll still keep thinking and I look forward to reading and mulling over all the replies.

This is not easy to put together, not at all.

there is concept, design, colors to consider, materials for the cloth, who will supply the fabric, what ink to use, reflective inks are an excellent idea but I fear it may be too expensive but something that is visable is a necessity.

Whatever we do, the final product has to have folks saying that it totally, radical and fu--ing cool and they have to say "I WANT ONE OF THOSE!, DO YOU HAVE ONE IN EXTRA LARGE?"

It has to be cool. booring won't do. We are dealing with the oldroads.com name here, and that means we have to be careful and conjure something up that has "kick" to it.

We will need a good artist, somebody who is hot and is destined to get a lot hotter. In 20 years I want to see these t- shirts on e- bay selling for a lot of money because "so and so" drew it.

This is magic stuff that we mess about with. Old bicycles, the patina, the history and personalities of the people who produced and rode and sold bicycles.

We represent the gatekeepers of a special place. A place that answers questions about old bicycles, a wide variety of old bicycles.

We deal in history, magic, wonder, and a lot of other very potent things.
Now we are dreaming up a t- shirt that needs to capture the magic, and essence of old bicycles and showing it to capture the attention of the world with the aim of promotion. Promoting a thing, we all love.

Old bicycles, and Oldroads.com
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           RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Chris on 10/31/2008 at 7:05:47 PM
Tell me, What is breathtaking and magical about this to you.

What stops you in your tracks and has you muttering that's "fu--ing cool" when you think about or see on e- bay or whatever that has to do with old bicycles.

What is it that "hooked" you? What got you hooked onto old bicycles?

We need "whatever that is" on this shirt.

This shirt has to be that hook. We want to sink it in deep on the first cast. Reel them in to this web site.
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           RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by sam on 10/31/2008 at 7:40:51 PM
A winged wheel.(no bicycles)Oldroads at the top in a banner,Menotomy Vintage Bicycles, at the bottom.
sam
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles on 11/1/2008 at 5:50:02 AM
This is great stuff and this is the right time to do it.
Lets try to get something in the works this week.
Can we narrow down a few things?

1) Source of photos: We have thousands of photos and own the copyrights. We could probably find a public domain fairy/nymph from something printed in the US over 75 years ago (copyright expired).

2) What cycles? Hi-wheeler, ballooner, musclebike, road bike, English roadster (w/enclosed chaincase), road bike, tradesman, MTB, BMX, tandem, what else?

3) Line art or not?

4) Front theme and back theme? We have 2 canvases and can (for example) do the dumpster-picking fairy on one side and the evolution or something on the other side.


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           RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Steve on 11/1/2008 at 7:14:45 AM
After a period of tranquility followed by a brief moment of madness, I just had a thought.

Raging Bull with the air blasting out of its nostrils and dust flirting up behind it's hind legs...I'm all of a sudden thinking...DYNAMIC !

Transfer the above image into Raging Roadster.

"Rodney the Raging Roadster"

brings a different meaning to the three R's...

Reading, 'riting, 'rithmetic...what was that all about !

This is the sort of thing I would have drawn at school, whilst not paying attention to what the teacher was saying.

Where's all this going to end at ?

Steve - could do better if paid attention.
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           RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by mark on 11/1/2008 at 7:23:58 AM
i think thats the idea,winged fairy with bicycle without front wheel,then on back complete bicycle with said riding on it.or visa versa.i think line art is cheapest.and stands out.i will never forget in the mid 70s a guy who worked at a local gas station,wore a red devil screw devil pin up girl t shirt,i think it was a screwdriver company.they had the best tshirts.pinup girl style.i have never found a pic of said t shirts and i have looked.im gonna get a guy who does custom old school hand lettering on pickups and such to do a rough sketch soon as i can.
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles on 11/1/2008 at 9:55:27 AM
Yeah, if anyone has any art skills, lemme know.
I met with a company this morning to talk about the t-shirts.
One thing I learned is the colored ink adds a lot to the price of each shirt - like $7 or $8 each.
The guy suggested printing with black ink on "safety-colored" shirt like safety orange or safety green.
Any thoughts?
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           RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by mark on 11/1/2008 at 12:02:39 PM
a bicycle is just a bicycle... but people who come to this board its a way of life.to make any one happy is quite an undertaking.does old roads mean 1886 or 1956 or 2003?i personally think a few lines of a bicycle would suffice any style.resurection most important.that way i could get them in my Lbs.safety colours i wouldnt wear.black is the new easy care.white lines.im hoping to get something drawn this week.
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 11/3/2008 at 3:42:47 AM
If you think about it... and have observed a few of them.... are not the signs depicting bicycle lanes, crossing, etc. not a simple graphic? Black on yellow background...

And is not the bicycle depicted absolutely and not mistakably a ROADSTER? Yet... that's (at least here in the States) pretty much the "standard"...

So... perhaps something like that.... line art, single colour, depicting that recognized loga.... with Menetomy / Oldroads referenced above and below the graphic itself?

Just a thougth....

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
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           RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Steve on 11/3/2008 at 6:33:53 AM
That's quite interesting what Larry says hence I have to be very careful here for fear of being acused of narrow -mindedness, blinkered, biased etc etc.

Ubiquitous...I've always wanted to say that on this site, but never had the opportunity !

Ubiquitous (and classic) to me means :-

DC3

Routemaster Bus (The big red London bus with entry at the rear, but these days only running two cross-town tourist routes 9 & 15).

Hoover

Caterpillar (Bulldozer etc but there are other makes).

Raleigh...well, we all know there are/were many other makes, but your average person in the street (in England) will quite often call a bike...a Raleigh.
In my opinion the Roadster was the classic bike of all time, doesn't matter if Hercules, Raleigh, Rudge, BSA or Uncle Tom Cobbold produced it...the lines, the angles, the size, the ride was all there (and still is) !

So there you have it, it's a ROADSTER for me.

Steve - getting shirty !
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           RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Steve on 11/3/2008 at 6:48:55 AM
Sorry, I meant to say "Uncle Tom Cobbly" in the above ranting.

Steve - could do better if paid attention and took his time (and learnt how to spell) !
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 11/3/2008 at 10:39:05 AM
Something I cobbled together... it's a BEGINNING and for concept purposes only... I would add... Muscle Bike, High Wheeler, Balloon Tire.... whatever styles that our host would like to have on there.

Just a thought! (OW!)

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - yeah... a little "image assembly" goin' on there.


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           RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Thom J. on 11/3/2008 at 10:49:27 AM
Hokum....smokum...did I ever open a can of worms. There's a whole bunch of creative input from folks on this post. I'm not real good at graphic arts but was an art minor in college. A project of this sort would be out of my realm of expertise. On the positive side, what really got me going as a young boy, and now as an aging old white guy, was what we called an "English Racer"; which I/we know as a light roadster. There's just something about the lines/shape of the bike along with the combination of chrome, black and white paint with the decals that is beyond words. To capture that spirit would be amazing. So, I would vote for one t-shirt design that best represents the roadster. Thom J.
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           RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Bryan on 11/3/2008 at 11:10:07 AM
I love all the diverse ideas. But I don't like the idea of the bright "safety colors." Seems too modern for our ilk.

I'd prefer neutral colors: grey, khaki, off white, etc.

Just my two cents. But I love this discussion.

Plus, this must be the most I've seen Vin post here in the past ten years. Great to hear from the man who is at the top of my list in the old bike world.

I'm excited to see how this turns out.

Best regards,

Bryan
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Warren on 11/3/2008 at 6:14:44 PM
Here's a version of the "winged wheel" graphics that CCM used to use. Kinda cool

http://oldroads.com/oldroads_files/329_16.jpg
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           RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Christopher on 11/3/2008 at 6:43:01 PM
Booring winged wheel. Sorry. No fire, no bite. I was away from the computer for two days and eagerly looked forward to the replies. I'm glad to see this is progressing.

How about the colors. Red, yellow and black it stands out and these are Raleigh's colors.

Go back 100 years, find something unique and totally radical that just happens to be in the public domain.

I like a lot of names of bicycles. [People will see that and comment I had one of those, you mention their bike and it will draw them it.

What bike to have the fairy holding aloft?

Do a Schwinn Sting ray in one version and have her holding an English rod brake bike in the other.

I'm still thinking.............

I asked everyone to try to define this, what called you into this, show the magic on this shirt.

sell the sizzle...
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Chris on 11/3/2008 at 6:51:09 PM
If the shirt will be worn by folks on the bike, then go with the reflective ink we need to do something to help a cyclist be seen on the bike. Too many folks are getting hit by cars.
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           RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Steve on 11/4/2008 at 3:12:35 AM
Trust Hollywood to get in on the act !

Ebay item No: 130266777510

Steve - who's nicked me shirt ?
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles on 11/4/2008 at 4:20:50 PM
Lots of feedback via email, too.
It seems a lot of people don't want bright colors.
How about yellow, white or orange line art on a black or dark gray shirt?

Also, here are a couple graphic ideas.


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           RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles on 11/4/2008 at 4:23:08 PM
Another picture we received:


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           RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Chris on 11/4/2008 at 8:04:22 PM
After seeing the dumpster I don't like it at all. Have the fairy pulling the bike from a roadside trash pile or don't do it at all. The dumpster is too overpowering it becomes the center of attention and not the fairy and her rescuing the bike. Don't rush this, Vin we have to get it right.
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           RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by mark on 11/5/2008 at 5:36:44 AM
howz about an old mailbox saying old roads.com,with a garbage bag and a half bicycle,leaning against it?
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           RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by mark on 11/5/2008 at 5:42:33 AM
black with white lines for me.
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by chris on 11/5/2008 at 7:45:20 AM
yes. much better
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           RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Matthew on 11/5/2008 at 11:44:13 AM
I like Larry's idea.

If it was in the UK only then it would need to be a red triangle with a black bike in the middle on a white background.

Matthew - tee-ing off.
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles on 11/6/2008 at 1:15:41 PM
How about something like this on one side and something like Larry's graphic on the other side?


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           RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Thom J. on 11/6/2008 at 2:15:09 PM
Looking good to me. A little more refinement and we should be there.
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Chris on 11/6/2008 at 6:33:05 PM
Ditto.
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           RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles on 11/6/2008 at 6:35:40 PM
Here's another one we got.
It might be too busy for a t-shirt.


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           RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles on 11/7/2008 at 5:48:08 AM
Still open to input, BTW.
-Vin
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Chris on 11/7/2008 at 7:26:01 AM
We are getting there, yes, just bring the fairy/ nymph into focus as well as bringing the bike into focus more.
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Vin - Menotomy Vintaeg Bicycles on 11/7/2008 at 12:10:52 PM
Another contribution:


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           RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Steve on 11/7/2008 at 12:30:18 PM
Will it be a ladies or a gents frame (or a mixte) ?

Steve - mixed up
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles on 11/7/2008 at 5:47:56 PM
Right now the images we're using for one side of the shirt are not mixed.
But the other side, with the Bonemeister's lead, have room for a mixte and another style, too.

-Vin
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           RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Old Roads T-shirt posted by Christopher on 11/7/2008 at 7:08:00 PM
Thumbs up! Progressing nicely! Use a mens or ladies bike but no mixte frames be sure to have an enclosed chaincase on the bike or bikes
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AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Arizona posted by: Ron on 10/27/2008 at 9:27:08 AM
Boneman & Others,
I looked at the S/A hub on my Dutch Raleigh for a date. Is this supposed to be on the chrome hub? My Dutch bike says Sturmey Archer, England, but no date. It does have an AW stamped opposite of the England stamping. Is AW a code for a date of manufacture? This one is a puzzler.-Ron C.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Arizona posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/27/2008 at 9:38:32 AM
Hmmm.... Actually, it's stamped on the hub... propinquitous with the AW designation....

Have a look at the image here (scroll down)

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/english-3.html

They are wee numbers... and sometimes very hard to see.... especially with mine own olde eyes.

Hope U find it!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - mine eyes USED to see the glory!

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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Arizona posted by ken on 10/30/2008 at 11:17:29 AM
.... and AW is the model designation of that hub.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Arizona posted by Ron on 12/1/2008 at 1:57:28 PM
Thanks for the help. I checked again, and found 73 in small script. The name on the bike "Arizona" is still a mistery. Anyone know about Ductch Raleighs of this model name?-Ron C.
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AGE / VALUE:   1958 Norman Western Flyer posted by: Matt on 10/26/2008 at 10:35:47 PM
Hi, I have an old Norman that I am putting up for sale. This bike has been cleaned greased and made ready to ride. The hub is the notoriously difficult SW 3 speed, I have reassembled it and it seems to work properly. This bike was built 2 years before TI bought Raleigh, so it has some pretty cool Norman Decals. The paint and pin stripping are in decent condition and all of the parts are original. The tires, may not be original, but they are marked Western Auto. I have pictures on my flickr page here:

http://flickr.com/photos/30894973@N04/sets/72157607601628620/

The seat tube is 19.5 inches long, it is too small for me (I am 6' tall). Email me with an offer if you are interested, I am in NE Ohio.

Thanks
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   1958 Norman Western Flyer posted by Matt on 10/31/2008 at 2:36:19 AM
Lower price, asking 100.00 + Shipping.
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AGE / VALUE:   Roadster for a tall guy posted by: sam on 10/26/2008 at 5:54:55 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/CLAUD-BUTLER-ROADSTER-THE-BIGGEST-CB-EVER-MADE_W0QQitemZ260305802983QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item260305802983&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Roadster for a tall guy posted by Warren on 10/26/2008 at 6:42:53 PM
Look at the lugwork on that roadster!

And that looks like a Reynolds double butted tubing sticker.

A real special bike.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Roadster for a tall guy posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/26/2008 at 8:22:44 PM
That is one impressive machine. Must be like stittin atop the world whilst riding it.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - And he's UP there!
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AGE / VALUE:    posted by: S.H. on 10/26/2008 at 3:39:00 PM
Went down the club today,as I do,and was offered a 1950,s Claude Butler 5 speed racing bike,for nothing!Can,t turn it down but going to need a new shed soon.This will be bike number 6!Can any one out there tell me when enough is enough!P.S.Just gone past the 100 mile mark on the Hercules!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Steve on 10/26/2008 at 4:36:01 PM
When you've got them in the house !

Steve - "house"...bingo !
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           when enough is enough posted by sam on 10/26/2008 at 5:29:03 PM
Can any one out there tell me when enough is enough!
Just as soom as any of us get there well be glat to tell you---sam

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           RE:when enough is enough posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/26/2008 at 8:25:00 PM
Every time I think I have too many... I think of my Schwinn Collector friend in NY State.... 750 of them in his basement.... all without a speck of dust... I was amazed...

'Til he mentioned he probably has another 250 in his Mum's basement. At that point, I was merely in shock....

So... I don't feel too bad with the paltry 18 or so I currently have.

;-)

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - are there ever enough?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by MikeB on 10/27/2008 at 10:40:49 PM
n+1

Where 'n' is how many you have and '1' is how many more you want.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Stephen Hogben on 10/28/2008 at 1:45:02 PM
Oh NO, there is another scout jumble at the scout hut just 50 feet from the bottom of my garden,I have always,always found an old bike there!Have still got to pick up the Claude Butler,and have also now been offered a ladies folder,so if I do find another one it will be 8.The wife will not be pleased.AT ALL !!!!!!!Steve "house" bingo,A lot of postmen (mailmen)go down the club and one off them delivers to a house which has over a hundred old bikes in it!In the loft and in every room!I think we must all be mad,the wife certainly thinks I am which is good thing as she has completley given up on the whole subject,and as long she can't see them she does not care,GREAT!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Matthew on 10/28/2008 at 3:25:59 PM
The answer to too many bikes is; not enough sheds!

Matthew - a shed is an inalienable human right.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Pete F on 10/29/2008 at 1:27:20 AM
'Enough' is when there are no more worthwhile bikes left in the hands of those who do not appreciate them the way we do.

Guys, we don't have to beat ourselves up about this, we are entitled to explain that we are historians at work. Industrial archaeologists if you like. Is the alternative preferable - that these old bikes go for landfill?

Find temporary space for every collectable bike that comes your way regardless of whether you want to keep it, stick it on ebay and move it on to someone who will enjoy owning it.
I must have shifted 30 or more bikes that way, and kept six for myself in my 8' x 10' shed. I must confess though that I'm no saint, most bikes don't tempt me as 'keepers' as they are too small - I need a 26" frame which doesn't come up that often.

I enjoy the board, read it every day - thanks guys.

Pete F, snowed in in Hertfordshire this morning. Global warming?

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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Steve on 10/29/2008 at 9:14:47 AM
Sheds..........Hmmmmmm !

I've been admiring sheds for many years now !

It's a sign, it means something...try and get help before it's too late !

It should mean middle age, contentment, polished garden tools, private bar or even a lawnmower that you're secretly in love with, but no...a strange minority prefer to attempt to preserve relics from a "Golden Era", relics that are invisible to normal people, these are usually the people that sink into the lower depths of deformed armchairs whilst watching the biggest load of crap one could possibly imagine...it's an insult to the human race !

As I've driven up & down the roads of Grand Britannia more times than I care to remember, I've studied sheds to death wondering for miles afterwards how many of this and how many of that I could get in there, people have said to me :-

"Steve, you look awfully vague, what on Gods earth are you thinking about now" ?

I usually reply with "Oh, I was just wondering what's for tea tonight" !

Wood, metal, concrete, plastic...this is important, your pride and joy has got to live in there, hopefully warm, dry and secure with lots of other relics to communicate with.

Finally, remember that old English proverb that states :-

"When a man is tired of living, he needs a shed" !


Steve - Can't get out my shed...I'm snowed in !

Sorry, the proverb was a load of nonsense, I just invented it.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Pete F. on 10/29/2008 at 10:50:42 AM
You a shed man, Steve? Me too - the working man's laboratory. A bit off topic, but where else to keep your bikes?

Have you had a look at http://www.readersheds.co.uk/ ?

May interest some of our USA friends too, seems to be an international movement.

Pete F, just back indoors from a chilly shed.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Steve on 10/29/2008 at 12:05:54 PM
It appears "I am the shed man" !

Didn't The Beatles have a song with those very words in it (something to do with a walrus) ?

I've just had a quick look at readersheds, I think I'm going to become a "Sheddi night" !

Just to confirm, it is Reader Sheds and not Readers Heads ?
I'd hate to get it wrong.

Steve - sitting on a shed load of cornlakes !

p.s. You should be hot in a Chilli shed !
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Steve on 10/30/2008 at 1:16:28 AM
Sorry Pete,

I'd had a long hard day and was starting to lose it, I'm sure your shed was chilly.
I put cardboard down on the concrete floor in my garage when I start to lose the feelings in my feet.
When the feelings go in the ends of my fingers, I retreat to the house (eventually).

Steve
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by ken on 10/30/2008 at 11:22:53 AM
Let us not forget the immortal Monty Python character, Arthur "Two Sheds" Jackson - or was it Johnson? I forget.
My total hovers around 20- I give them away to good homes.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Stephen Hogben on 10/30/2008 at 3:27:28 PM
It was,Arthur"Two Sheds"Jackson!
Stephen"Three Sheds" Hogben.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Steve on 10/30/2008 at 4:15:18 PM
If someone gave me an aeroplane hanger, I'm confident I could fill it in no time whatsoever !

Steve - I'd enjoy that.
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MISC:   Abley "Path Racer" Pics.... posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/26/2008 at 8:29:10 AM
http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/bonemanrides/abley%20path%20racer/

As promised... and yes... a long time coming.... The album of pics for the nearly complete conversion of the dubious "Abley" Roadster... into a feaux-path racer in the style of the Pashley Guv'nor.

Note that there's only the front brake affixed as of yet. I did take it for a very short spin and that brake is seemingly quite effective... hence, once I get the rear mounted, she'll be a rider.

As dubious as the quality of the machine overall... it has the geometry and with the "drops" on her... the feel and riding position is most interesting. Even with the single speed... being lightened as it were she seemed to take of rather well.

I have some sort of odd thing going on in the drivetrain... almost as if there exists a pitch mis-match between the chain and the sprockets. Will take a bit of investigation but I'll iron it out.

Once completely cobbled together, I will go over it cosmetically as best as I can. As you can see... the paint isn't the greatest but... it has a certain charm... what with the funky box pinstriping, etc.

If nothing else... even if I spring for better tyres and getting a three-speed laced into the rear wheel.... It helped me through a bad case of GAS (Gun'nor Acquisition Syndrome) and saved me a few coins.

Not to mention... the area it was taking up in the garage is now a bit tidier.

Hope y'all... at least... find it amusing. ;-)

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Abely Pather Racer.... L O L




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           RE:MISC:   Abley posted by mark on 10/26/2008 at 10:52:37 AM
i think the paint is great on the abley.what size frame would that be?i understand standover height ,as i was selling a 50s winora and put in the standover height.no calls,then i found out there were people over 6,5 looking at the bike they thought the frame was 35 inches.nice bike im gonna go learn about them now!great to see it ridden.
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Abley posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/26/2008 at 8:17:15 PM
22" frame. I'm not sure there's much info about them out there... I've looked a few times. The paint when viewed from >10' away is OK.... what I guess the pics don't show are the odd rusted pinholes here and there. That's from poor pre-painting prepwork.

28" wheels on the machine. It will be fun once completed.

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Gotta find me some paths now....
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           RE:MISC:   Abley posted by JS on 10/26/2008 at 11:50:30 PM
Nice project, Larry. I know what you mean about the pin holes in the paint. Probably to be expected though. What kind of seat do you have on it?

I was thinking of doing the same this winter to one of these 25 RMB busted up Forevers lying around Beijing. I have since given that up though. But I'll be looking to see how yours turns out.

I think whatthe pashley so attractive is the color scheme. Black rims and Creme Tires look sweet. Something to consider.
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Abley posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/27/2008 at 2:40:34 AM
Ah... that would be the original "Abley" seat. Not sure how well that's going to work out... it LOOKS pretty nice and is comfy... I think... but it tends to "wander around" under one's tuchus a bit... and never seems like it's straight atop it's "suspension". Perhaps I can... "fix" it somehow.

The creme tyres and black rims absolutely are eye catching... From what I understand the distributors of the Pashley machine in the US will sell tyres for it. Don't know for how much. Actually... for the meantime I wouldn't mind a nice set of Kendas for it. THe Ganga tyres on it are... well... they're horrible.

You should maybe pursue you're "forever" bike... it's actually quite amazing how light these things can be once stripped of the "superfluous" sheet metal... and other bits. Who knows... you may just start a trend! Of course if all the machines over there are rod-brake... could be tough to find a set of Northroads... stems and the like to invert and install.... but.... if there's such a plethora of machines begging for some attention, I'm sure somehow it could be worked out.

Interestingly enough, I see that our friends in LA that sell the Flying Pigeons are offering Kendas on Ebay these days. I have a set on the DL-1 and they're great... might just spring for a set.

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - I would never do this to a DL-1
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WANTED:   BB Spindle for Raleigh Tourist posted by: karl on 10/23/2008 at 10:42:42 AM
I am in need of a cottered crank spindle from a Rod Brake Raleigh DL-1. I didn't realize that the BB shell on the DL-1 is wider than your standard Sports, Superbe etc. I tried a spindle from a parted out sports and it is too short. I think the one I need is about 142mm where the sports is 137mm. Any help Greatly appreciated! THanks

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           RE:WANTED:   BB Spindle for Raleigh Tourist posted by Matthew on 10/23/2008 at 11:27:02 AM
Hi Karl,

Every BB axle has a code on it, such as B16, this is what you need to know in order to find the correct axle. The code is typically British and makes no real sense without the chart but each axle has the races in differing places, different offset and different lengths.

Matthew - its all in the spec.
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           RE:WANTED:   BB Spindle for Raleigh Tourist posted by karl on 10/23/2008 at 11:58:00 AM
Thanks Matthew, The spindle code is either C8 GC or G8 GC hard to read the first letter. I hope that is of some help. thanks
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           RE:RE:WANTED:   BB Spindle for Raleigh Tourist posted by Christopher on 10/23/2008 at 5:38:38 PM
The spindles read 08 GCC.
I see these on e- bay from time to time.

the ones from the Raleigh sports and Superbes do not fit.

I wish somebody like Mark Stonich of Bikesmith designs would make up some of these spindles and offer them for sale
hint, hint, hint......
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           RE:WANTED:   BB Spindle for Raleigh Tourist posted by Mark Stonich on 10/25/2008 at 1:50:58 PM
My DL-1, 1970 Moulton MkIII and Raleigh "Twenty" folders all share the same extra wide 77mm BB shell so I assume their spindles interchange.

Over on the Folders forum there are so many discussions about putting cotterless cranks into "Twenties" that I imagine trolling for a spindle over there would be productive.

BTW I won't likely be doing crank spindles. But I wonder if there is sufficient demand for high grade front cones and axles.
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           RE:RE:WANTED:   BB Spindle for Raleigh Tourist posted by Chris on 10/25/2008 at 4:45:35 PM
I have owned in the past a Moulton Mk3, a slew of various Raleigh Twenty bikes, folders and standard versions plus a wide variety of Raleigh Tourist's. The only bike to take the 08GCC bottom bracket spindle is the Raleigh Tourist.
The Tourist spindle does not interchange with the other bikes. It is unique to the 28 inch wheel rod brake Tourists.

I would be dancing for joy if somebody could prove me wrong on this. I am all for finding a cotterless spindle to go into the Raleigh Tourist bikes. You won't find it at the Raleigh Twenty web sites where they are hopping up their Raleigh Twenty bikes.

I want to encourage you to do a run of front hub cones.

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           RE:WANTED:   BB Spindle for Raleigh Tourist posted by Mark Stonich on 10/25/2008 at 8:19:32 PM
Thank you for the correction, unwelcome as the news was. Do you know how they differ?

My DL-1 has less than 50 miles on it so probably not a problem, yet. I was planning on converting one of the "Twenties" and saving the spindle for the Moulton. Do you know if this would work?
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           RE:WANTED:   BB Spindle for Raleigh Tourist posted by Matthew on 10/26/2008 at 6:59:48 AM
Hi Mark,

As I said above the offset, cotter slot position and distance between races all differ on the BB axles according to code. Thus a 'No.1' which I need for my trade bike cannot be replaced by an 'A16'. There is some interchangability but not much. I have yet to find a British chart for BB axles. My old friend at our local cycle shop had one but he is no longer with us so I doubt that his chart is still about. He retired and died after shutting the shop which is now a hairdresser's so any trail of the chart is very cold. This is the sort of thing I would have asked Sheldon about.

Matthew - trail's end.
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           RE:RE:WANTED:   BB Spindle for Raleigh Tourist posted by Christopher on 10/26/2008 at 8:13:26 AM
The spindle for the 28 inch rod brake raleigh is the longest spindle Raleigh made. I know this from seeing these in the shop drawers and looking at the dealer book sheets.
After reading my posts and rants here Sheldon finally updated his web site with a "Raleigh interchangability" section but he sidesteps the issue of a cotterless spindle in the d.l.1. tourist. Not enough interest? I found it currious because Sheldon never missed anything and certainly would not leave the field open to an upstart like me.
Sheldon never addressed this topic of putting in a cotterless spindle into a Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. bike! Amazing but true. While others were into Raleigh Choppers, or high end vintage bikes like the Raleigh Record Ace bikes of the late 1940's or into cable brake bikes or they were into Schwinn bikes like the Krate series bikes. I was concentrating my collecting and shop parts hunting and plundering on the rod brake Raleigh's such as the Tourist D.L.1. 28 inch wheel bikes. It would have been more profitable to concentrate on collecting the Raleigh Choppers- but my heart belonged to the rod brake stuff. Still does. I have owned a series of Raleigh Choppers as well. Before I forget, I have much respect for the late Mr. Brown and for Mark Stonich as well.

I never did get a cotterless spindle and crankset into a Raleigh Tourist d.l.1. bike but I have seen others who did and the crankset used was a "T.A. specialiaties" double crank and the spindle likely would have been one of T.A. SPECIALITIES spindles. One needs an understanding of T.A.'s products and I never got into that enough aside from seeing these out there. I did not get ahold of the bike to tear it apart to see the markings on the spindle. I have put cotterless spindles into the 26 inch cable brake bikes but it was hit or miss with me trying every cotterless spindle in the shop and others shops. kind of like Edison who tried everything with the "dilligence of the bee"
I missed the cotterless spindle in the d.l.1. tourist/ Royal Roadster as well.
I have no doubt that Mark or others here will solve this mystery.
Somebody pull a spindle out of the raleigh tourist bike and compare it to what T.A. Specialities offered in the bottom bracket spindle department and you'll find the answer and open up the bike to real enjoyment.
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           RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   BB Spindle for Raleigh Tourist posted by Chris on 10/26/2008 at 8:16:27 AM
On e- bay folks offer the Raleigh dealer books bound notebooks with the sheets and there is a sheet with spindles and they show Phillips spindles as well after the merger and that one sheet is what you are looking for. I don't have this sheet anymore myself.
We need so much more scanned and added to web sites!
Sheldon left work undone. I'm still stunned that he's gone.
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           RE:WANTED: BB Spindle for Raleigh Tourist posted by Al on 10/26/2008 at 8:57:39 PM

I've found a cotterless solution for my DL1. The bike came to me sans bottom bracket. My solution is not as elegant as a T.A. specialties bb. But it might be easier to find parts. Sheldon Brown wrote it up on his raleigh26 page. Use an older Shimano cartridge bottom bracket with Phil Wood Raleigh threaded cups.

I'm using an older Shimano UN71 with a 127.5mm spindle. I found a pair of Phil Wood 26 tpi cups at my LBS that fit the Raleigh bottom bracket threads in the DL1. The best part about the Phil Wood cups is that you can set the chainline.

The older Shimano bottom brackets had removable 24 tpi cups. Slide them off, and slide on the 26 tpi cups. One drawback is that I still need the Phil Wood bb tool.

If you can't find a long spindle UN70, 71, or 72, Sheldon writes that you can use a hacksaw to remove a portion of the right side bottom bracket shell. I'm not sure I'd go that far, since I'm holding out hope for an 8GC spindle.

I miss the old Raleigh heron head chainring. But at least I can ride the bike!


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           RE:RE:WANTED: BB Spindle for Raleigh Tourist posted by Christopher on 10/27/2008 at 6:59:36 PM
It would seem the smart thing to do would be to have some machinist turn out a cotterless spindle that is identical to an original Raleigh bottombracket spindle only with the ends like a cotterless spindle are. That way you can use any crankset you want, from any old used doner bike.

The Phil Wood set up is expensive requires a special tool, it has to be ordered as well. I don't remember seeing it at the shops I visited. Also, hacksawing a bottom bracket shell to me, is out of the question.

Why nobody has stepped in to bridge the gap here, I don't understand.
Keep the original cups, just change the spindle.

As far as bottom bracket threading goes, if you find a non- Raleigh made 28 inch wheel, rod brake, roadster bicycle such as a Phillips then you can use 24 t.p.i. cups in that bike because those non - Raleigh bikes use 24 t.p.i. cups.

I'm having my black Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. sent to where I am living now and first thing I will do is get the spindle to a machinist and we'll marry the two and I'll have a D.L.1. Tourist spindle with ends that are cotterless and that will fit almost any cotterless crankset.

I'll keep the original cups, won't have to hacksaw anything, won't need any special tools, or special cups, no ordering anything and no waiting.
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           RE:RE:WANTED:   BB Spindle for Raleigh Tourist posted by seb on 12/6/2008 at 7:40:20 PM
I found a Raleigh bicycle from 1940, haven't got a clue which model it is, but all it had was a good deal of rust, now that that's gone my only problem is that both wheels have enormous holes in them and only a few of their spokes left. I think it may be a superbe. I was just wondering if the wheels available today look the same on older Raleigh models, as the wheels on the one I have are unrecognisable.
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AGE / VALUE:   Weird Huffy, hear me out here posted by: Clark on 10/23/2008 at 9:17:34 AM
I have a really weird 1971 Huffy 3 speed, maybe you all could help. I know Huffy is an American bike but a lot of the parts (including the Sturmy Archer internal hub) were made in England. However, I have not found another bike like it. I have seen others with the same frame, handlebars, shifter, fenders, but not the same paintjob and name. I know the paint is original too, the Huffy stickers are on it and the paint inside the crank is the same color. It is a light metallic blue with the name "SWEEPSTAKE" written on the chainguard.


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Weird Huffy, hear me out here posted by Clark on 10/23/2008 at 9:25:04 AM
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Weird Huffy, hear me out here posted by Christopher on 10/23/2008 at 5:55:36 PM
Too bad your picture did not load.
Huffy was originally Dayton Huffman and they go back 100 years and they have been through a lot of changes over those years. A lot of bicycle manufactures would contract out bikes from Raleigh or Phillips or other makers and the componet parts would be from any of a large number of British componet makers. A lot of firms made bicycle parts and more than a few supplied the large companies silently and the parts would be thought to come from this or that company but in fact the company would be having the parts brought in. There were companies that wanted to supply bicycle parts in huge numbers but they were very careful not to step on anybody's toes so they didn't tell it. they just supplied parts to others to assemble.
Huffy as well as a lot of companies went thru their "English bicycle phase"

Columbia did this as well. I forget the name of the Columbia bike that is similar to your bike.

As for the Sturmey- Archer hub? It went on everything imaginable that took two wheels!

They said that Phillips was "renown the world over" and that was really true but the Sturmey- Archer hub was "renown the world over" times 10,000

This is why the closure of Sturmey- Archer in England, the dismanteling and shipping of it's tooling overseas to Taiwan where it was incorporated in SunRace's factory and the company re-named Sunrace Sturmey- Archer. This is why it hurt so. It was still a viable concern with the keys for the future still in the ignition.
Sunrace wanted Sturmey Archer because they wisely saw this. Sturmey- Archer is alive and well in a new home and they are about to re-introduce the famous A.S.C. 3 speed fixed gear hub that has been improved!

Please try again to post your pictures here.
Weird? na! your bike is cool!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Weird Huffy, hear me out here posted by H on 10/25/2008 at 5:09:51 AM
I've seen some Huffy Sportsman bikes that were actually made by Raleigh (i.e. they are Raleigh Sports models).
The giveaway will be a lugged frame, a cottered crank, and some other details that tag it as a Raleigh (stem, shape of rear dropout, brakes, etc). One or two I've seen have "Made in England" decals as well - there's a sure clue!

If your bike has an Ashtabula crank, or a non-lugged frame it is NOT a re-badged Raleigh.

Columbia had the "Tourist" I believe, and I nearly picked one up at an auction for a buck once, but decided I didn't really want it.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Weird Huffy, hear me out here posted by Clark on 10/25/2008 at 10:32:13 AM
OK another shot here goes, this should work. Since I took this I've rebuilt it, only new parts are shifter cable and pedals.


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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Weird Huffy, hear me out here posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/26/2008 at 6:59:46 AM
Very nice machine. A little difficult to tell... but is she a lugged frame? If so, then most certainly English in manufacture.

Even so... many machines back then utilized S/A components... particularly the rear hubs. Columbia, Schwinn, Huffy. They all did. Though after a time the Shimano 333 became quite common as well.

Enjoy it! That's the bottom line. No matter who made them these machines were designed RIGHT.... and are a satisfying ride.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - my Playbike had a 333
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Weird Huffy, hear me out here posted by Clark on 10/26/2008 at 10:03:47 AM
Thanks, it does give a really great ride. By lugged frame what exactly do you mean?
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Weird Huffy, hear me out here posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/28/2008 at 5:11:48 AM
Lugged frames have sleeves at every juncture where the tubind is inserted into the sleeve then braized.

Here's an example:

http://www.rivbike.com/images/static/upload/frame_materials_2.jpg

WHereas if there are no "lugs" as such, the tubes are generally butted together and welded. Raleighs all used lugs... whereas Schwinn used butt-welded and filleted frame juncturing.

Hope that helps!

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Got lugs?

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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Weird Huffy, hear me out here posted by Clark on 10/28/2008 at 8:08:08 PM
Oh OK, no my frame is not lugged, I know what you are talking about now. It's all welded. Anyone think they know why this bike looks different from other Huffys of the time? It has all the original stickers on it so I'm pretty sure the paint is original.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Weird Huffy, hear me out here posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/28/2008 at 8:15:27 PM
Interesting indeed. So the frame is of U.S. manufacture. As to why so different.... hard to say. "Sweepstake"... perhaps it was a grand prize or something?

I know that back in the 60's... there were all these weird programs for kids to sell stuff... like seeds, etc..... and if you sold so many packs you could either take cash or "prizes". One of the prizes was an "English Racer Bicycle with STICK SHIFT"... and it was really... the only "Roadster" thus equipped.

Perhaps your machine was that sort of a premium.

Either way, it's certainly a unique conversation piece.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - stickshift..... indeed.
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Weird Huffy, hear me out here posted by ken on 10/30/2008 at 11:39:46 AM
It's not a one-off; I had one, bought at auction for five bucks ten or fifteen years ago. In nothing like the condition of yours, but including the Ashtabula crank, same chainwheel, and most interesting to me, the S-A twist grip shifter. If memory serves, it was rusty and I parted it out, and the bits in question are in a box in the dungeon.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Weird Huffy, hear me out here posted by Stacey on 11/9/2008 at 11:17:26 AM
Strange...I recently bought the same exact bike as you have. It is in beautiful condition and looks and rides great. However, cannot find ANY info on it...if you do, let me know. Thanks
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Weird Huffy, hear me out here posted by Janice on 10/12/2009 at 7:54:42 AM
I have a "Huffy-Sweepstake" 3 speed.
Im looking for more info on it.
Like: Year-Worth
If you can help, drop me a line.

Thanx!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Weird Huffy, hear me out here posted by Jeannie on 10/1/2010 at 3:58:36 PM
I was just given a Huffy (made in Dayton Ohio) Sweepstake bicycle today. I love it! It's baby blue, has original paint and stickers. 3 speed. Rides great! It's a 1971.
Vin # is HC1061082
Can anyone give me anymore information? Thanks.
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FOR SALE:   Hercules made in nottingham posted by: Ed on 10/22/2008 at 5:30:51 PM
I have a reconditioned late 60s woman's 3 speed bicycle for sale. This has been taken down the bare elements and rebuilt. I have been working on old 3 speeds since 1977. This Hercules bicycle is looking very good and operating well. It has 26 x 1 3/8 wheels.The bicycle has beautiful original royal blue paint. I live near Niagara Falls, NY. I can ship to the USA and Canada. Please contact me at Langgang9@roadrunner.com Ed
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AGE / VALUE:    posted by: mark on 10/22/2008 at 4:01:29 PM
there gone now.i dont know why they were there?they went in a junk box.that was the first day i got the bike.i am doing alot of work to this machine.i am just wondering if there are any hercules collectors or someone with knowledge on this bike.
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AGE / VALUE:    posted by: mark on 10/22/2008 at 4:01:29 PM
there gone now.i dont know why they were there?they went in a junk box.that was the first day i got the bike.i am doing alot of work to this machine.i am just wondering if there are any hercules collectors or someone with knowledge on this bike.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   old hercules posted by: mark on 10/22/2008 at 10:29:12 AM
hello i just recently bought a 19?? hercules,im trying to pinpoint a year,frame number under seat is LB or L 8 6571.rod brakes 28 inch wheels,Atype7 3 speed.hi low shifter.is there any hercules informants around?it has a lucifer generator and i think its really old but cant find much on the net for this type of generator?thanks.


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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   old hercules posted by Steve on 10/22/2008 at 12:46:12 PM
Could really do with a better photo, but nevertheless I'll stick my neck out and have a go at late 30's to 40's !

Quadrant shifter, straight handlebars, all black rear mudguard/fender, Hercules A Type 7, 28" 40 spoke rear shiny rim etc etc.

It looks as though it's had some attention paid to it.

The Chess table is definitely 1936 and I certainly don't recognise that chess piece with green bits coming out of the top !

Steve - waiting to be corrected
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   old hercules posted by Matthew on 10/22/2008 at 1:48:50 PM
The telephone looks late 20th Century but the bike is 1930's judging by the handlebars.

Please could you take a second photo giving a full side view?

Matthew - black is the unchanging black.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   old hercules posted by mark on 10/22/2008 at 2:32:27 PM
ok here is a few more photos.i have restored quite a few pre war bikes and alot of 40s and 50s bikes but this one has me stumped and i cant find a serial number list for this make?this bike rides as new and wasnt cheap.i just had to have it.so heres a few more pics.


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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   old hercules posted by mark on 10/22/2008 at 2:33:10 PM
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   old hercules posted by mark on 10/22/2008 at 2:34:13 PM
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   old hercules posted by mark on 10/22/2008 at 2:35:04 PM
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   old hercules posted by mark on 10/22/2008 at 2:36:38 PM
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   old hercules posted by David on 10/22/2008 at 3:26:01 PM
Are the 3 top tube cable clips doing anything besides decorating the frame?
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   old hercules posted by Steve on 10/22/2008 at 4:27:30 PM
I've had seven Hercules and all have had serial numbers showing two letters followed by four digits and I still haven't got a clue how to translate this into a year of manufacture.

Actually, I tell a slight lie as one of the bikes was a Sports Model and had two letters followed by two digits, the other was a Trade bike and had four digits followed by two letters !

Interestingly only one of the bikes arrived with a "A Type" hub...A Type 8 to be exact, the others being SA K Types or single speeds (childs Roadster & Trade bike).

I wanted to say 1937 but was thrown somewhat by it's shiny rims (and appearance) and Lucifer...my oldest is 1934 and looks as though it's just come out of a coal mine !
Yours has the same bars as my 34 but does not have the "fully" enclosed chainguard.
Is it a 23 or 24 inch frame ?

Steve - I'll never understand serial numbers !
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   old hercules posted by mark on 10/22/2008 at 4:54:12 PM
thanks steve,this is my first hercules and i really like the ride.the standover height is 33 inches ?its a pretty big and long wheelbase bike.i cant figure how the rims have stayed this good,there stamped sturmey archer made in england but somehow look older than the pair of 28 inch perry rims i have restored.i have taken it to a english bike shop owner and he was really scratching his head,i said if you dont know im sunk.he knows alot.im figuring the generator is very old,it still works i cant believe it!does your gen look like this?
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   old hercules posted by Warren on 10/22/2008 at 7:23:37 PM
The rims are likely replacements...Sturmey Archer rims were popular after the demise of Dunlops' bicycle division in the late 60's. This raises questions about the bikes' provenance.
Wire mudguard stays, hockey stick guard, quadrant shifter and SA rims are incongruous. It could have been assembled from a nice parts cache. Many of us have walked down that road once or twice.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   old hercules posted by mark on 10/22/2008 at 7:51:27 PM
thank you warren,i bought this bike knowing it was mismatched.it rides excellent and thats what i was looking for.i got a good deal, as i saw a very old brooks saddle and tool pouch at a store for what i paid for the bike.and my seat and pouch were alot nicer.i have my collector bikes,and i just like the geometry and feel of this bike.i should have said i wanted to know the year of the frame,i didnt get fooled to buy a certain bike with all intact parts,i bought it because i like riding old bikes.i restored flatheads and panheads since 1977 and always liked old bicycles,i grew up riding a 30s colson,im not a newbie only to this site.i do have the fender brackets they were pretty bent up.thanks
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   old hercules posted by Matthew on 10/22/2008 at 11:36:23 PM
Hi Mark,

Photos are great. The mudguard profile, frame angles, gear selector all suggest 1930s to me. Mudguard stays in wire were not unusual pre-WW2 as an economy measure. Raleigh used steel stays on high quality machines but I have seen machines from the 1920s with wire stays.

I agree with what Warren says about the rims.

Matthew - on sick leave.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   old hercules posted by Steve on 10/23/2008 at 1:15:49 AM
Mark, take a look at (and enlarge) second picture in my Readers Rides.
That is an unrestored 34 model, the chainguard cover plate and rear mudguard are off, but you get the general gist of things.

It's a great bike for seeing what's in peoples gardens, you can see over all types of fences, on a clear day you can even see Scotland (from London), I've also had many a conversation with a passenger on a bus...on the upstairs deck (whilst waiting at traffic lights) !

All this on a 24" frame, I would love to ride a really high frame, might be able to see Boston, Mass on a very very clear day !

Incidentally, I'm presuming yours has got the chrome fork caps.

Steve - off to work now (on a Raleigh Misty) ?
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   old hercules posted by Chris on 10/23/2008 at 8:07:01 AM
I look forward to looking tis over this evening after work and commenting on it then.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   old hercules posted by mark on 10/23/2008 at 9:31:30 AM
i guess im not gonna find a serial number list?thats fine.its a daily rider and humans ask what year is that?and i just say its old,then they reply ow 70s.then it would be nice to have a roundabout answer,the frame is where it begins,for me anyways.at least i could say 40s frame with parts from the era?heres a few pics of some restos i have put together.before and after.


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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   old hercules posted by mark on 10/23/2008 at 9:33:21 AM
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   old hercules posted by mark on 10/23/2008 at 9:34:41 AM
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   old hercules posted by mark on 10/23/2008 at 9:35:34 AM
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   old hercules posted by Chris on 10/23/2008 at 6:02:58 PM
Thanks for the pictures.
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           RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   old hercules posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/26/2008 at 7:04:21 AM
Well... you could take the date of the oldest component... and the newest... and pick an average somewhere in between, aye?

It's kind of neat to see a machine such as this. Regardless of what may have failed over time.... or worn out or whatever... the owner(s) always felt compelled to ensure it remained whole and usable.

Or... (heaven forbid) it's cobbled together somewhat akin to the methodology put forth by Mr. John Cash in the song: One Piece At A Time.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - I like it!
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AGE / VALUE:   THEY EVEN PAINTED THE BADGE!! posted by: Chris on 10/21/2008 at 6:23:30 PM
E- bay item # 350112760737
1950's raleigh robin Hood 3 speed

The bike has been painted red. And what has me irked is that the idiot even painted over the Robin Hood badge on the front of the bike!

I stopped looking before I saw more stupid things like silver spray paint over the chrome. my eyes started to twich and after I am finished with writing this I will pour myself something alcholic and drink it and go to bed. This WAS a nice bike before somebody got happy with the red spray paint.
It's good for parts, however.
WHY? WHY? OH WHY DID SOMEBODY PAINT OVER THE BADGE?

Oh, It's time for me to say goodnight!

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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   THEY EVEN PAINTED THE BADGE!! posted by Steve on 10/22/2008 at 1:33:19 AM
Well, I'm afraid these things just happen !

I picked-up a Triumph 3 spd recently (for peanuts) looking very much down on it's luck complete with the badge painted over (and undercoated) in a type of verdant slime colour.

With a bit of t.l.c. (and a few hours in the shed), the bike has to turned out to be a little belter and is now on "Front Line Top Notch Main Line" duties !

The badge is now naked (but polished) for all to see and admire.

Steve
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   THEY EVEN PAINTED THE BADGE!! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/22/2008 at 2:45:31 AM
Gad... firstly, I give Kudos to Steve for removing the rattle can paint.... I don't think I would have even attempted it.

Secondly... there's a group that runs around NYC putting up "Ghost Bike" memorials.... in spots where bicyclists were killed on the road... they take a bike and overspray the ENTIRE thing in white.... and chain it up with a lock propinquitious to the actual site of the accident.

Weird.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - It's all white but it just aint right.....
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   THEY EVEN PAINTED THE BADGE!! posted by Chris on 10/22/2008 at 8:06:50 AM
Yes, these things happen and I can't handle it.
We have one of those "ghost bike" memorials here in San Antonio, Tx. It's in front of the Bill Millers fried chicken restaurant that is one of Texas's national treasures. It spooks me out as do most of the roadside shrines.
It's a good thing, it raises awareness but still I don't like it. Subconsciously, I think it is keeping me out of the fried chicken place because I have stopped eating there cold turkey (or cold chicken)

It's another bike painted all over too!
I also don't like plastic advartising film on the side of the bus.
House or spray paint on a bicycle is not normal!
Fixing to go back in time to live and this time I'm staying!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   THEY EVEN PAINTED THE BADGE!! posted by Geoff Rogers on 10/22/2008 at 9:45:35 AM
It's true that undoing other people's crummy work is the worst part of repairing or restoring old things, be they bicycles, houses, cars, whatever. Give me an unmolested original with rust and decrepit parts any day over a shiny one that has been done badly! I have been working on a 1955 Raleigh Sports, sanding through layers of thick black housepaint. Uggh! It's going to be nice, though: gearcase, Dyno-Four hub, new B66 (or should I use a worn-but-correct fifties B66? not sure), R-I pump, Lucas bell. I finished painting the frame and fork last night. Now I have to do the mudguards and gearcase and rub out the paint so it shines nicely. And new decals, of course.
Hang in there with that paint removal, guys!
Geoff
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   THEY EVEN PAINTED THE BADGE!! posted by edgar X on 10/22/2008 at 3:58:26 PM
I'm always suspicious of someone who can't be bothered to use the "shift" key.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   THEY EVEN PAINTED THE BADGE!! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/22/2008 at 6:30:17 PM
Perhaps... but it doesn't really mean they're shiftless.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - that was horrible.... sorry....
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   THEY EVEN PAINTED THE BADGE!! posted by Chris on 10/23/2008 at 8:04:53 AM
I agree with Geof and I like his reply. Often a bike has been painted like this to cover up a bike theft. I look forward to the day when we can say "It does not matter" that the bike was spray can painted. I look forward to the day when we have paint available in the exact original colors and with original decals. Real, authentic decals so we can truly turn back the clock and take the thing and return it to original state to where you can't tell if it is original from 1934 or a true restoration that is so well done you can't distinguish a difference.
We are not at this point. Not yet.
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