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AGE / VALUE:   No, Dude! It's a rare Sunbeam! posted by: Chris on 5/29/2011 at 10:03:56 AM
This seller is parting out one very old Sunbeam bike! Oh my stomach!

e- bay item # 190538816642 This is the fork there are grip shift parts! the rear b.s.a. hub a set of mudguards




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AGE / VALUE:   The Power of Spot Cash posted by: Chris on 5/29/2011 at 8:54:09 AM
No.

"Well, Ok, what would it take to make you change your mind?" "I'd have to have at least $50.00 but.......... this is a good bike, I go all over on this bike!"

Tell you what? I'll give you $75.00 right now, for it right now!! As in right now.

Don't wait, people. Waiting is asking to blow the deal.

( I'm thinking, yes, he can get back on his own. He got off the bike and handed it to me!

I love those little 3 numbers 531! It's quick and rare and mine. Oh what a filthy little bike just totally neglected the Raleigh badge has a torch with the heron head.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   The Power of Spot Cash posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 5/30/2011 at 5:07:03 AM
Absolutely Chris... and even BETTER.... have the cash VISIBLE and IN YOUR HANDS... and Count it... fan it.... whatever....

Seeing RED is one thing.... but sometimes seeing GREEN.... can simply be the BEST when it comes to the power of persuasion.

Congrats on the acquisition.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - and NOT green with envy mind you... ;-)
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   The Power of Spot Cash posted by Chris on 5/31/2011 at 10:12:00 AM
wove it had it out flashed the 50.00 the 20.00 the Abe Lincoln I have to be careful not to fall over bikes on the way to the bathroom at 5 am
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   The Power of Spot Cash posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 5/31/2011 at 5:19:05 PM
LOL... Chris... might I suggest... a "motion sensing" light for your hallway?

For your safety, of course!

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - I see the light!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   The Power of Spot Cash posted by Chris on 5/31/2011 at 5:46:02 PM
I see these horrible "next" brand bikes all the time and am watching for cool older bikes
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AGE / VALUE:   Wow.... OK... not one of our beloved roadsters.... posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 5/29/2011 at 7:32:54 AM
But this is a gorgeous machine.... and local to me.... and currently bid up to twice what I paid... for my first car...

Ebay item: 150608864754

Drooling towel recommended....

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - It needs mudguards....
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wow.... OK... not one of our beloved roadsters.... posted by David on 5/29/2011 at 8:15:00 AM
Very nice condition for a 71 International. Those tires have gotta go, though! I wonder what the reserve is; so often, sellers really have fantastic ideas of what their bike is worth. (Of course, sometimes buyers do too; witness the recent $1000 cobbled-together stem w/badge)
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wow.... OK... not one of our beloved roadsters.... posted by Chris on 5/29/2011 at 9:10:54 AM
Clean! So perfectly clean and in just about showroom shape.

I agree about the tires but sometimes ugly is attractive in it's own way.

I never find them in this state of clean.


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wow.... OK... not one of our beloved roadsters.... posted by Keith Body on 5/29/2011 at 2:00:05 PM
Nice looking bike, mass produced by the previously Carlton factory, where raleigh took on Carlton making 2,500 bikes a year, allmost all well made but cheap schoolboy bikes, and by 1971 were producing perhaps 50,000 a year. This was largly due to the US market.
When I saw the rather large gas hole in the seat stay it is obviously made in quantity, but still a very nice ride, better on Clement silk tubulars. Too good to use though.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wow.... OK... not one of our beloved roadsters.... posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 5/30/2011 at 12:57:22 PM
Well.... would the seat stay not be the most appropriate place for a gas hole?

;-)

Mass produced or not... those filligreed, chromed lugs.... are awesome.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Detailed the motorbike... HURTIN' today....
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wow.... OK... not one of our beloved roadsters.... posted by Chris on 6/1/2011 at 9:34:50 AM
Keith hit the nail right on the head with an accurate and well written answer.


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wow.... OK... not one of our beloved roadsters.... posted by Keith Body on 6/2/2011 at 2:19:04 PM
Larry, most individual hand builders using 60% silver at a much lower temperature did not need gas holes. But could be in the brake bridge, unseen.
Chris, I was never that good with a hammer, thats why I always suggest using 2 on a cotter pin.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1948 Raleigh Dawn Tourist posted by: Clint on 5/27/2011 at 3:52:13 PM
Just Finished a complete restoration of a 1948 Raleigh Dawn Tourist


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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1948 Raleigh Dawn Tourist posted by dave on 5/28/2011 at 7:36:29 AM
Nice bike - I have a '38/'39 Raleigh Dawn Tourist that I'm soon going to be working on - where did you get the script decal for the chaincase, if I may ask>
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1948 Raleigh Dawn Tourist posted by Christopher on 5/28/2011 at 8:40:02 AM
I am very impressed and delighted with the careful, patient and fine work that Clint has done with his bicycles. BRAVO! Clint should teach the class how to restore a Raleigh. Keep up the excellent work
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1948 Raleigh Dawn Tourist posted by Clint on 5/28/2011 at 8:52:07 AM
Hey Dave, I would love to see some pics of your 38/39. I love the real early ones. As far as decals go I get them from http://www.hlloydcycles.com/ They are reproduced my a man named nick in a small town in england. He has just about every decal you could want for an antique english bicycle. They are top quality as well.
Christopher, Thanks very much for compliments. I would be delighted to teach a class on Raleigh Restoration.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1948 Raleigh Dawn Tourist posted by dave on 5/30/2011 at 5:54:22 AM
Hi Clint, it's in storage right now; I'll take some pics as soon as I can. The paint is in good shape, the gold and red striping is faded though. I'm wondering if I should get someone to do the striping for me - the black is clean and rust free.

Do you know if the "Raleigh Dawn Tourist" script on the top tube was painted or decal?
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1948 Raleigh Dawn Tourist posted by Clint on 5/30/2011 at 9:09:23 AM
Hey Dave, Getting my bikes pinstriped is my goal for the end of summer. They look so much better with pinstripes. All of the original lettering done in the thirties was done with paint and stencils. Nick at Loyd's reproduces them in laser cut decals and water transfers. if you base coat paint the bike and then apply the decals, then spray a couple of coats of clear on top it makes it l look like a stencil. The Raleigh Dawn Tourist decal is number A50 in Loyd's catalogue .
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AGE / VALUE:   1934 Raleigh record ace posted by: Chris on 5/27/2011 at 9:27:46 AM
I don't remember where I saw this bike on the net but I saw this 1934 Raleigh Record Ace bike. He wants $2,500.00 or best offer for it. It is one horrible restoration! nasty black paint, wrong badge! incompletely done, a real hodge podge mess, wrong grips! single speed gear rear wheel, just a mess!
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Approximate age posted by: Sammi C on 5/24/2011 at 8:19:25 AM
Literally rescued this one from the junk pile, while working at a town recyclIng center, I just couldn't bear to see that beautiful old machine go to scrap. Details (based on memory) are, Ladies model w/ cable brakes shifter says 2 or 3 speed, not sure which one it is but can't seem to engage 3rd full steel chain case one part missing, gear shift and front brake caliber cut by vandals. Not sure of the serial number.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Approximate age posted by Chris on 5/24/2011 at 5:25:44 PM
can you post pictures of this bike?
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Approximate age posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 5/25/2011 at 10:58:57 AM
+1 to what Chris said. Anything with a full chaincase tends to pique the collective interest.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Someone musta thought chains to be ugly.....
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Approximate age posted by Piet on 5/28/2011 at 1:25:02 PM
Is there anyonewho can help me identify an English bike. It is supposed to be from the 1930s but may be older. Has a New Departure D Coaster Brake Rear Hub. A Canadian made Falcon front hub. Williams chain ring and probably crank. Torrington handlebars and a Leatheries saddle. Bike has a distinctive bend in top tube. There is a number on it, where the tubes meet under the seat. The number is A646885.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Approximate age posted by Keith Body on 5/30/2011 at 11:33:43 AM
Piet, We can try to help, but it's less difficult when we can see what you have. Williams chainsets often have a searchable date code on the back, but frame numbers are rarely recorded.
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Approximate age posted by Piet on 6/3/2011 at 10:04:59 AM
/Users/pieterkramer/Pictures/iPhoto Library/2008/08/29/P1000415.JPG

Here is a picture of the bike I asked help in identifying in two earlier posts.

Piet
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Approximate age posted by Keith Body on 6/3/2011 at 12:35:32 PM
Pieter, Your url for the picture seems incomplete, email direct to me if you can.
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           Armstrong english bike posted by Officer Mc Cann on 6/5/2011 at 4:16:03 PM
I have a mens bike has tbhe markings of Armstrong made in England and also has marings ofSturmey Archer Internal gear hubs
It is in very nice condition and I would like to see if anyone can give me a value of what i can sell this bike for.
Thhank you for your time..
Bob Mc Cann
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AGE / VALUE:   Ranger Chicago Ill.3 speed posted by: sam on 5/14/2011 at 7:48:53 PM
Hay sam,this post goes under the Ballooner section!
Maybe I had to much to drink ---the badge says Ranger Chicago Ill.
Only the bike is a 1963 phillips sports made in England!
And it's the correct badge for the bike--down tube decal also says Ranger and phillips.
OK a contract bike for sure.Very nice brass badge too.Decals are mostly intact---only scratch is tru the contracter's name , starts with Sin
And guesses?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Ranger Chicago Ill.3 speed posted by JDuck on 5/15/2011 at 6:58:17 AM
I have one of these. Great badge. There are photos of one on this site, under Phillips Ranger I think.
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MISC:   36 or 40h alloy AW query posted by: mark on 5/13/2011 at 11:12:20 AM
Hello, I was wondering if anyone has a 36h 1950s alloy AW hub shell they would trade for my 40h alloy AW. I was also wondering which of the two versions is harder to find. Also wondered if anyone knows if the axle of a vintage Normandy high flange front hub would work on a Raleigh [or if u have other front hub suggestions]. All of the preceding relates to a 1951 clubman frame and forks i have, i am trying to replace the other stuff via the poorman's way, i would use new 700c rims, because the dunlop lightweight and hinduminium stuff seems to be exhorbitant even where you can find it,... of course i will always keep my out for the original old stuff to upgrade....i do realize this would make my wheels 36/36 rather than 40/32 but i would rather do the rear alloy at 36 than lace a 40h to a 32 or 36. Many thanks for any possible trades, suggestions or advice
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           RE:MISC:   36 or 40h alloy AW query posted by Keith Body on 5/14/2011 at 1:50:29 PM
Mark, from what I remember in the UK, alloy hub shells were only on medium ratio gears, did SA make 36 hole hubs in the old Raleigh days? Not on the home market.
If you want to run the Normandy front hub you could try it in the forks before you build the wheel. It should be OK. If you mean take the axle out and put it in a raleigh hub, that should work if you use the raleigh cones.
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           RE:MISC:   36 or 40h alloy AW query posted by mark on 5/14/2011 at 4:19:08 PM
apparently there were 36h alloy hubs made for schwinn. the 40h alloy I have Is an AW
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           RE:MISC:   36 or 40h alloy AW query posted by sam on 5/14/2011 at 7:48:24 PM
I'd try the boys in Canada for 36 hole S/A stuff.Sturmey supplied a lot of hubs to canada and they were 36 hole hubs.
and BTY sun makes 32/40 hole sun18 rims in 26x1&3/8 size
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           RE:MISC:   36 or 40h alloy AW query posted by David on 5/14/2011 at 7:56:17 PM
You can find 700c and 27" rims in 40 hole drilling. (Look for tandem parts.) I found one for my 40-hole FM a few years ago. Probably the extra spokes make life a little easier for the old and relatively delicate flanges anyway.
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           RE:RE:MISC:   36 or 40h alloy AW query posted by Chris on 5/16/2011 at 9:03:00 AM
36 or 40 hole alloy hubs I saw and used them all had no trouble finding either drilling. I suppose the 40 hole may be more common never thought about it. I found a coaster brake T.C.W. mk 1 ( three speed) in an alloy shell and I wish I kept that one!

Alloy shell hubs Where is my simichrome polish?
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           RE:RE:RE:MISC:   36 or 40h alloy AW query posted by Chris on 5/16/2011 at 9:08:20 AM
The 26 x 1 3/8 wheel Schwinn bike ( I forget the model name of the bike) did have alloy hubs in it ( I don't remember the drilling) with Miller generators and lights too, stainless fenders with a neat locking fork but the bike was too heavy! loved the paint scheme the Sturmey- Archer alloy series ended in 1948 for years until late 70's early 80 when they brought back alloy hub shells a new pattern and not merely a re- launch of the old pattern.
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   36 or 40h alloy AW query posted by Chris on 5/16/2011 at 9:13:27 AM
What Raleigh and Sturmey made for the home market was one thing and then altogether different and more broad and varied was what they churned out for the foreign markets including the U.S.A. and on bended knee I proclaim: "Thank God they did!"

Our rod brake Raleigh's were not sold commonly in the U.K. that long into the future.

Keith give interesting perspective as to the conditions and tastes of the home market vs abroad
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           RE:MISC:   36 or 40h alloy AW query posted by Chris on 5/16/2011 at 10:12:15 AM
I meant to say that Keith has been giving us interesting perspective on the export vs home market production of bikes and parts
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AGE / VALUE:   The Miracle! posted by: Chris on 5/9/2011 at 8:59:18 AM
Huge breakthrough! Huge! I am dancing!!
We were sitting over hamburgers You have to go up and order and they don't come to the table and after I figured this out and ordered and the food got brought back onto the table and I didn't spill the drinks and I was listening to my friend talking describing how his dad had a junk yard business 80 years ago and all of the neat things that junk yard must have had in it all the bikes and cars and motorcycles in it. He was describing paint. car paint and how he can pick out the problems in todays cars their paint flaws and he had a paint shop for 30 years and how he did good concientous careful work.

My face is sunburned, my nose is peeling, I'm tired and I could not remember the name of the restaurant I just pointed and described the building and the stuff they have in there and about the food how good it is and I told him how to get there and after getting so agrivated about the lack of service and almost having a stroke over it.

Were sitting and now I'm looking for mustard and mayonase and can I get a actual plate and cut this monster in half no plate just a basket can I go to the steak house on the other side and get a plate from them and then ............ it hits me!

"My God! You could, couldn't you! and you would not mess it all up! No you would not!" You would not give me back of the hand service would you? No. you would not!" Oh my God!! I have found somebody at last! Somebody worthy of this frame!"

I stare at my 70 plus year old pal! the ex motorcycle gang member with the panther tattoo on his arm.

"Do what? What are you talking about my young friend!"

Can you paint a bicycle? Are you good with bikes? Black Enamel? none of this powder coat crap?
I sit there stunned, it takes a bit to cough up the request! asked in utter amazement!

I am telling myself "it is over!" the search for REAL, OLD SCHOOL PAINTER who won't betray me and drive me into madness where the bike frame is thrown away in disgust or run over with the work truck in the parking lot because I got handed back a horrible paint job.

Yes. he says flatly. No problem. Done motorcycles too. Did my 47 Indian. I gasp. He asks if the primer it's sitting in is it real primer? and was it primed correctly? and I tell him probably not and will he sand and prepare it right and do a real nice job with it?

Sure.

My pal who takes one look at it and before I am even near him it says "Oh no! Where did you have that done and how much did they charge you?"

But he will make it right and yes, this will be an fun project. I go on about how much it was and having it shipped from the U.K. and what all I want to put on the bike. I tell him I want paint from Mercedes Benz but he says "Don't pay for a name." Can you do pinstriping? box lining? yes. yes he says. I stop and stare.

I am holding the bike fork and dreaming with hope. I will post pictures of this project when it is finished.

Yes, I think he is worthy of the job.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   The Miracle! posted by Chris on 5/16/2011 at 9:18:33 AM
And another fellow who is going to allow us the use and free run of his shop,equipment and ordering powers. Also, old school.

Looks like with more control and experience this time It will come out right.

So after everybody goes home for the night we take over and change the radio to something nice and get to work. I miss Ernie Sr and his music!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   The Miracle! posted by Chris on 5/27/2011 at 9:36:51 AM
I am going have to sit and watch everything to see that this does not go wrong. He made a comment about prep work that bothers me. "It's not a ferrari when you have to spend hours and hours on it." Not good. People get lazy and the magic can fizzle out.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   info posted by: Robert on 5/8/2011 at 5:17:05 PM
I would like to make this bike more complete anyone know what it is/age year made. the serial # is B8159 thanks


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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   info posted by clint Flack on 5/9/2011 at 5:50:07 PM
1937 or 38
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AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Bike posted by: Adam Chandler on 5/7/2011 at 5:13:37 PM
I have an old Armstrong Women's bike, metal shift rods, all original except for the flaking rattle can white paint job that someone "installed", Is it worth anything.. Thanks in advance. Adam
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Bike posted by me again on 5/7/2011 at 5:24:04 PM
I met to say Brake Rods, it has a coaster brake, sorry.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Bike posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 5/8/2011 at 4:24:25 AM
Hmmmm... so rod brakes up front, coaster in the back... is it three-speed? If so, you can glean the date from the numbers stamped in the hub shell.... meanwhile, the chainwheel... is it generic or does it have the word "ARMSTRONG" outlined in the stamping?

These wee details can make for a difference in value for sure.

And I'm sure you've googled "armstrong".... it can be frustrating to us Armstrong owners... not all things "Armstrong" need be at all related to Lance....

Sounds like maybe you may have something there?

Pics of course can be very enlightening... and that paint... could prove problematic... gad a shame.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - It's in disguise....
Dingmans Ferry, PA, USA
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Bike posted by Chris on 5/11/2011 at 8:38:17 AM
when somebody like me will chase you down the street wanting it wanting to buy it then yes it is worth something. especily if it is complete. people will say ohh, it's got rod parts on it or it has this crankset or they'll want the fenders off it or other parts.

the parts are worth money people "rob them for bits" as they say these parts interchange with all kinds of similar bikes and people need the parts its worth more than you think.

your bike can resurrect somebody elses old bike that needs parts. somewhere out there is somebody who has a bike hanging up in a closet or shed and they are saving the bike hoping one day to find another bike with the parts they need to make it ridable or useable and even to restore.

Armstrong bikes are nice the parts are worth offering for sale. what size wheels? can you post some pictures?

it no big thing to strip a bike of the aweful rattle can paint and make it better. we cannot make it "as new" but useable and nice and respectable that can be done.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Bike posted by Steve on 5/13/2011 at 5:25:32 AM
I had to smile at Larry's comment "not all things Armstrong have to be related to Lance"....how very very true.
I have a pre war Armstrong Moth tandem here (with in-line chain Trivelox derailleur), whenever I eBay Armstrong....6000 Lance Armstrong t-shirts and hats appear, and no "real" Armstrongs !
Steve
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Bike posted by Steve on 5/13/2011 at 5:37:28 AM
Maybe I should have said....hardly ever !
Steve
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Bike posted by Chris on 5/16/2011 at 9:21:18 AM
Speaking of Lance, I see him from time to time here. The bike he was riding! sheesh!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Bike posted by reese on 5/23/2011 at 5:29:18 AM
I have a Armstrong Birmingham/grand period apex. My father said it was made in the late 1890's. It seem to be made out of aluminum very light. 3 speed with gears inside back wheel. Can't find any info on history.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Bike posted by Keith Body on 5/23/2011 at 6:45:51 AM
Reese, Please put up some pictures, if you can't then email some to me.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Bike posted by Steve on 5/24/2011 at 5:38:56 AM
Reese, that sounds like quite an interesting Armstrong you have there.
Steve
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Bike posted by Chris on 5/27/2011 at 9:50:31 AM
It's a blue ribbon collectable and historic!- and the lightness of the tubing has us very interested

1890's three speed could be some other long lost and rare 3 speed hub there were other makers better makers than Sturmey- Archer!

please post pictures here and give us an revised description
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           Help identifying old bike posted by Pieter Kramer on 5/28/2011 at 10:02:58 AM
I have a vintage bicycle I can not identify or establish a value for. It has a New Departure Back Hub and Coaster Brake made in the U.S.A. A Falcon Front hub made in Canada. The chain wheel and hub are Williams. The handle bars are Torrington. It was originally bought in British Columbia Canada. The seat is a Leatheries. I don't know if I can add the picture of it so I will add that the top tube has a bend in it. At the junction of the seat, top and seat stay there is a serial number A646885. I would be interested in selling this bike.

I will put this out there now and if anyone wants pictures I will email them out promptly.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Bike posted by steve on 6/7/2011 at 7:34:49 PM
i recently found a 1964 armstrong mens bike 3speed strurmey archer was going to the scrap yard no fenders but otherwise complete. is it worth anything ? parts?thanks steve
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Bike posted by jj on 6/8/2011 at 3:51:28 AM
Most likely built on the Raleigh assembly line.
They are great 3-speed commuters and you can get some nice light ABS plastic fenders for it for around $25.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Bike posted by Peter on 8/2/2011 at 12:02:55 AM
I have an old 28" wheeled pre war WWII bicycle in Dunedin NZ. Reputed to be an early ARMSTRONG with Capital'A's' at the apex of the pentagon corners in the chainwheel [forms the webbing]. Plain round head lugs.
It came with a lurex blue metallic banana seat off a dragster and sissy bar plus high ape hangers and it is now red and white( : Has 3 speed SA on it plus front internal hub but these were probably later fittings.
It has no headbadge badge and the space is minimal for fitting one or a decal.The original paint has been brush painted over with solid red and white.
It also resembles an early Argyle.
I have picture but it is in my email attachments and I mayhave to download it else where
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Bike posted by Al on 9/9/2011 at 5:06:32 PM

I have a bike with armstrong cut into the crank
do you have any idea what year it is
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Bike posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/10/2011 at 4:29:33 AM
Al, does it have a 3-speed Sturmey Archer rear hub? If so, clean it up of all grease, etc. and you'll probably find a two number code stamped in the shell. 10 66 would be indicative of October 1966, 3 63 would be March of 1963, etc.

Other than that... you may be able to find a serial number on it and check here for a chart that may indicate year of manufacture.

Having "Armstrong" in the chainwheel though... indicates it's probably early 60's

Let us know... and if you can, post up some pictures!

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Mine's a 1962 actually....
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           blue ribbon 26''mens cruiser posted by matt on 9/14/2011 at 11:28:04 PM
got a old 26'blue ribbon cruiser with schwinn parts cant find the yaer of it or what its worth


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           RE:Help identifying old bike posted by Matt on 9/14/2011 at 11:31:53 PM
Here's another photo


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Bike posted by Adam on 10/13/2011 at 6:04:04 PM
I picked up a pretty clean 1954 all-original Armstrong 3speed, sorry not all original, the seat is replaced and probably the tires. The sprocket is cut to say Armstrong, the pedals have two spinning flats that say Armstrong on all four sides, the fenders are black with a bit of rust and the frame has a really nice Armstrong logo that looks like a cursive style font. It even has the original brass plated tire pump on the down tube. Email me and I can send you some pics, would love to discuss it. ... I am too looking for any info on it for worth and knowledge. Dezineradam@gmail.com
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Bike posted by andy on 10/13/2011 at 7:49:49 PM
i have an armstrong has horses painted on the all aluminum fenders, the fenders are thin aluminum it has armstrong stamped in the chainwheel it has a quadrant shifter a sturmey archer aw-9 hub and a dunlop rubber saddle it rides like a new one, has oil ports on both hubs and the bottom bracket shell
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Bike posted by Adam on 10/17/2011 at 8:13:56 AM
from my post earlier here is what my bike looks like almost exact minus the bag, tires and Im guessing the seat even though its similar style.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33350670@N08/4847778519/
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Bike posted by Rick M on 10/29/2011 at 1:46:20 PM
How do I tell the date on this awesome womans black and white bike On the 3 speed hub a see a 53 but there is no 19 if there is a 19 i cant see it . Also what does Larry mean by the chain wheel ? The front sprocket ? Thanks in advance guys!!!


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AGE / VALUE:   Chas Mann posted by: Chris on 5/7/2011 at 9:33:32 AM
From Cycling magazine in the 1960's an advertisement in the back. Don't know who he was or what all he offered or did bike wise and I would like to know more of the story

(From memory)

Just the job, Chas.

Why don't you ride Chas Mann's wheels and stay out in front? Chas Mann, the green, London

I think he was in the london area
It looks like he was a wheel builder and a decent one. looks like he had a shop and was a builder enthiuiasist

I would like to know more, the whole story and get him mentioned on "classics rendezvous" on the web and get a proper fitting mention of him on the internet.

I love the sassy ads he did!

Keith, this is a question for you. What can you tell us about Chas Mann?

Thank You!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Chas Mann posted by Keith Body on 5/7/2011 at 1:24:49 PM
Chris, I remember the name, but have no real knowledge, was he in Birmingham?
I was too involved 6 days a week with my own stuff. If he had been a trade supplier, as some frame builders were, and the products were value for money, I would probably have more information.

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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Chas Mann posted by Chris on 5/9/2011 at 8:22:18 AM
I will re- check the actual ad in the magazine. Thanks anyways
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Opinions? posted by: Mike on 5/7/2011 at 8:06:08 AM
Judging by Ebay, the bottom seems to have fallen out of the old English bike market. Would it now be better to part one out rather than try and sell it complete? I have one that's gotta go.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Opinions? posted by Chris on 5/7/2011 at 8:45:50 AM
try to sell it complete- and has the bottom really fallen out of the market? I don't think so and gas goes higher.

good question. I urge you to be patient.
The old things are returning! for example, They are into cocktails now as they were before, there are cocktail bars opening up in San Antonio, Tx And it's thought to be hip and chicque to take the lady for cocktails instead of whisky and coke. All the funky glasses and the bartenders spend 3 years learning to hone the craft. Its a big thing, again. Who would have thought?

Now, I hope fashion will return to what it was so everybody does not look like crap shot out of a cannon. My friend Ida spent time making herself up with nice clothes and jewlery and shoes and when her and James went into the club everybody froze and stared! The clothes almost as sharp as they were. There was style. Today everybody looks horrible especially the womens hair. Today's sharp is not nowheres as sharp as it was back in the day. And this situation saddens me beyond words. One really neat thing is I have gotten to watch the rebuilding, restoration and rebirth of a drive in movie facade. The glass block and paint they re did it all. I brought cold coke a cola and told all the men on the scaffold thank You.

To answer your question art it out or keep it intact I need to see a picture of the bike and hear what you have into it to advise you to dissessemble it and part it out or sell it intact.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Opinions? posted by Robert on 5/8/2011 at 4:26:26 PM
I have this bike and i would like some info on. I have tried to look for it myself but could not come up with any.I think it"s a phillips rod brake roadster i will try to include some pictures.I would like to make the bike more complete. Any info is greatly apprieciated
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Opinions? posted by Robert on 5/8/2011 at 4:36:50 PM
I have this bike and i would like some info on. I have tried to look for it myself but could not come up with any.I think it"s a phillips rod brake roadster i will try to include some pictures.I would like to make the bike more complete. Any info is greatly apprieciated


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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Opinions? posted by Chris on 5/9/2011 at 8:44:45 AM
Wow! I love it! Don't let it fool you it's a nice bike. and all the moving parts can be freed up an it can fly again! I love the shifter it's in good shape. The tires are war grade as is the "patent" word on the Sturmey- Archer a.w. 3 speed hub. parts for the hub are everyplace. the seat post is another gem it is the L shaped post I would kill for one of those. the rear seat stay is also well made and neat. tires are available it has schrader tubes and not horrible woods valve but new tubes are available in almost any shop because todays bikes use tubes that cover this size and with presta valves too! better valves than ever. this bike is from the early 1940's to mid 40's could be a phillips that chainwheel crank is common but it throws me off a bit not sure who turned those out there were tons of patterns of chainwheel cranks back in it's time this was somebody's to work and back bike. But to buy it somebody had to borrow and save and had to pick a lot of berries or dig potatoes and carrots and empty chamber post and clean and do errands and save their money and the owner would have had an interesting story for us all about how they came to acquire it.

Flittering faries didn't decend down and hand it to them. somebody worked for it and in conditions that may shock you. Money was dear and perhaps they had to hide it to keep somebody from discovering their hidden coffee tin and having their wages pinched and being spent in the pub.

Really, all of these bikes have a story behind them. and Hey Vin!! this is another idea for us here have the reader post a picture of the bike and add an interesting story about how they earned it and what they went through to come to have their bike or bikes one bike one picture and the story behind it

tell how the bike was used where it carried them. Some bikes were used to discretely visit a lady lover whose husband has gone off to work and they are rendezvousing in the mornings! Or how the bike was used to support the family how it was used to deliver the mail or groceries or how it was used back in the day back in England, Ireland Scotland or Wales or beyond and these bikes were sent all over the world.

Phillips was Huge, huge wonderland made so much stuff we'd all be speachless. This is from a whole different world where everything was huge and big business. looks like 28 x 1 1/2 inch wheels nice rims need a cleaning up.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Opinions? posted by Chris on 5/9/2011 at 8:53:18 AM
I can see the spring for the rear rod brake linkge it is a Phillips Raleigh didn't offer that crank pattern can you take some better close up shots of the headset and what does the top of the rod brake handlebars say? therer should be a name on the top of the handlebars.

I love this bike!
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Opinions? posted by Chris on 5/9/2011 at 8:59:14 AM
behind the aweful aftermarket headlight behind the rod linkage on the front of the bike can you make out and sort of decal transfer which was used back then in place of a metal badge this looks like somebody lightly painted this bike at home. Are there any signs of box lining or decals?
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Opinions? posted by Robert on 5/9/2011 at 12:01:31 PM
There are very faint white stripes down the forks and most of the other tubes.I bought new tires and brake pads for it already.It rides like a dream i would like to get a chain guard and new hand grips the ones that are on it now are schwinn grips.I would like to get it as close to original as possible with out painting it.I am pertty sure it has never been painted.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Opinions? posted by Chris on 5/9/2011 at 5:57:41 PM
The best part of this whole discussion is when Robert says: It rides like a dream.

that says it all!
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Opinions? posted by Robert on 5/9/2011 at 7:07:45 PM
There is an event in madison wi called ride the drive they close off the roads in downtown madison and let only bicycles ride the drive.Last year except for two guys on high wheels i had the one of the oldest bikes there.There were thousands of bikes.
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AGE / VALUE:   AW HUB posted by: Doug on 5/5/2011 at 2:38:59 PM
I an old Raleigh with an AW hub that, instead of a date stamp, has "patent applied for" embosed on the shell. Any way to tell what year it is?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   AW HUB posted by Keith Body on 5/6/2011 at 8:50:47 AM
Probably 1937 / 1938. Some say 1936, but I think marketing started in 1937.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Picking out a good one... posted by: Z. Roberts on 5/5/2011 at 2:09:53 PM
I'm interested in restoring a vintage English roadster, and next week I have the chance to look through a few dozen old 3 speeds and frames. I know there's a Hercules (Birmingham), at least one Raleigh badged as such, a Triumph, and several others the owner couldn't immediately identify. Any advice on determining the general age of an old roadster frame sans SA hub or Raleigh serial #? Any other advice on determining maker, build quality, etc. would be greatly appreciated. If you were looking through an old warehouse for a roadster project, how would you pick through the inventory?
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Picking out a good one... posted by sam on 5/6/2011 at 7:44:09 PM
First I'd look for any decals that say 531(it would not be a true roadster) but I'd grab it!
Next I'd look for any changeable chainrings(5 bolt pattern around the crank arm) or some 3 bolt battern rings
Clip head sets/ or old style luggs
anything with CL stamped on it.
Full chaincases especally those that say little oil bath.
qud.top tube shifters

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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Picking out a good one... posted by Chris on 5/7/2011 at 9:29:59 AM
Excellent advice. Just get all of it and hang it all up at your place. Sam is saying to focus on the ten speed type bicycle first because some of those used special expensive Reynolds 531 tubing making the bicycle lightweight these bikes offer the best chance of you making $1,800.00 profit on the thing and up. collectors hunt the "lightweight" style bikes first. Also a bike should be complete no missing parts with the english roadsters enclosed chaincase aka little oilbath bikes such as were found on the Sunbeam bicycles those are old


brand names to look for:
"Chater lea" (cl)
"Campagnolo" parts such as derailers
"Ideale" seats French leather seats hard as rock the French version of English Brooks leather saddles with the alloy rails these are worth big money on e- bay

Brooks leather bicycle seat saddle bags old ones

ORIGINAL PAINT!! IF SOME JACKASS PAINTED THE ROADSTER BIKE WITH BLACK PAINT AND RUINED THE DECALS AND SLOPPED IT ALL UP?
SLASH! SLASH GOES THE VALUE! ok, I'm calm again!

It must have original paint or knock the offer down.

Mafac was French brakes alloy brakes

the common ones are Mafac racer but Mafac made Driver brand and others look for mafac (whatever) so anything Mafac starting with racer but racer was the least or most common desireable still mafac racer brakes are found on nice expensive frames they worked and worked well and people loved them and still do

e- mail me your cell phone number and name

I will get in touch with you and when you go in there you can call me from that wonderful little magical device you have. It's called "wireless" It's what Nikola Tesla went through so much anguish to bring us 100 years ago.
I will do my very best to guide you over the phone.

Don't EVER say "Bicycle collector" or the words "e- bay" and you'll blow the deal and get tossed out on your ear. When they ask Who ya talking to over there say "my friend Christopher"

I am eccentric, I ramble, I get downright crazy but I read and study I know my stuff. When do you expect to go see this wharehouse?

Call me when you do. I will offer myself and I will cross my eyes and channel every bicycle figure who has ever guided me along my ways.

I still wish you would buy it all! bring a truck and two young men and just buy it all.

chris

humberchristopher29@hotmail.com title the e- mail old bicycles so I can distinguish it from spam

Are you driven by the almighty dollar or the love of it

if there is a particular bike you just have to go ride and experience it may well be something the collectors don't get excited over it may be something that appeals to you and while it is awesome What I am trying to say is

the thing that bites you in this and gets you interested is not always what is hot and offers the best financial return in buying it cheap and re- selling it on e- bay to collectors.

Example old Italian campagnolo parts didn't call to me in the beginning I had to have bike pals whack me up side the head and order me to just buy it all remove whole drawers

I was into 3 speed English rod brake roadsters and neglected the Raleigh choppers and I didn't hit the lightweight bikes hard enough.

I was green and into rod brake roadsters when Gerald Debaytes's silk tire alloy personal track bike and tools fell into my young hands.

I didn't know. What I am saying is, where you are age wise or experience wise it is a journey and you pick up knowledge and experience along the way.

Traveling Oldroads.com "Where we build the best bicycle collectors!"


Keith? Can you chime in here and guide this fellow before he goes "a hunting" looking for old bicycles?
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Picking out a good one... posted by chris on 5/7/2011 at 9:47:28 AM
tools!! yikes!! I forgot to mention tools ask about buying old bicycle tools

parts and tools
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Picking out a good one... posted by Keith Body on 5/7/2011 at 1:35:27 PM
Chris, you know far more about collectibles and values, my interest was getting the old bikes running better, if not correctly, but improved. I think your advice is better than anything I could add. Certainly in the 1960's we had fortunately very few choices of components, and campagnolo were the leaders. How do you develope an eye for the age of a bike? As you know I worked with mainly lightweight and racing hand builts in the 50 / 60's.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Picking out a good one... posted by Al on 5/7/2011 at 5:08:35 PM

If you haven't already read them, try Sheldon Brown's Raleigh pages. He detailed what decals and equipment Raleigh used here:

http://sheldonbrown.com/raleigh.html

And this page is great, too.

http://sheldonbrown.com/english-3.html

I enjoy the Raleighs built 1961 and earlier. They appear to have better chroming, nicer quality all around, ie. forged dropouts, metal pulley wheels. These older ones are often in rough shape on the outside, but all the bearings, cups and races are usually nice and shiny. My favorite ride right now is a Raleigh Lenton Sports - a 531 frame with a 3-speed AW hub. Nimble bike, even compared to my friends' bikes.

Good luck!







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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Picking out a good one... posted by Carl Brill on 5/8/2011 at 4:55:37 PM
Ok guys, so what is restoration? My Golden Arrow was painted over and has no decals or any other markings, other than the serial number. So its ok to repaint it yes? I can do a sight better job than the last guy.

At this point I'm not interested in reselling it, I just want to fix it up. And ride it.

Ride it.
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Picking out a good one... posted by sam on 5/8/2011 at 7:07:16 PM
Yes it's ok to repaint a toasted bike.Research the decals,save any tracing you can make and look for replacements.
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