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AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Spuer record Mixte Japanese bike posted by: Christopher on 10/9/2008 at 7:19:51 PM
I ran into the thrift store that I am stalking. When I bought it the manager said "We just put that bike on the floor what? 5 minutes ago??? NO, I CAN'T KNOCK A FEW DOLLARS OFF!" He scowled at me.
I hung my head and gave him the $30.00 plus tax.

I saw it and got closer and my eyes focused on the name on the down tube: RALEIGH Super Record. this is candy apple red, japanese made frame but the kick in the head is that it is a Mixte frame, 27 x 1 1/4 steel rims, new replacement tires and tubes all there, with a front basket that has been modified to be on the rear of the bike and it works! that rack alone is worth 15.00.
Whoever owned it was creative and the bike is well cared for. Recently worked on so how did it wind up in the thrift store?
I sat down completely and got comfortable on the floor and I sat with it for 15 minutes and stared at it, all over looking it all over. My mind whirring away. I always do this with the bikes. I held onto it because it was not getting away.

Before I go into what it is, I just want to say that I would have given anything to have in hand these parts so they could have been incorporated into my B.S.A paratrooper bicycle. Oh, this rear sprocket and the bolt on derailer, A SHIMANO derailer! I was looking for exactly this rear derailer cluster. it's thin!! Thin! it would fit the crazy bike. six speed and the last two of the derailer sprockets suddenly go up to very, very large sprockets. Perfect! The alloy Raleigh branded double front chainwheel is cotterless. the spindle and crankset parts, DESPITE THEIR ALL JAPANEESE ORIGIN, WILL FIT THE OLDER GENUINE NOTTINGHAM, ENGLAND BIKES LIKE THE RALEIGH REG HARRIS LENTON SPORTS. Raleigh record ace bikes from back in the glory years. I HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE!

It's an interesting bike! Especially the headset! This was made in Osaka, Japan for Raleigh and the next year they were made in Taiwan for Raleigh. The headset totally looks like it is made in Raleigh's Nottingham, England factory! Except for the top nut and a spacer washer that has a notch in it. Possibly a mix of English and Japanese made parts. Japanese made copies parts of the famous Raleigh headset taht we see on all the Raleigh Sports , Superbes , D.L.1. Tourists and Choppers. Yes, that top tall nut is a copy from the Chopper bikes. The Raleigh Record's from England used the same tall, top nut as did the Chopper's this is Japanese copy of that part. The upper and botom cups, headset cups are Totally English Raleigh but something is not right yet. So, the headset is interesting. All the other Japanese Raleigh Super records I see on the net are mens frames but mine is a mixte. So hey, I'm feeling special!

I don't believe that the fork is threaded the same as the Sports, Choppers, and well, the same headset threading as an English made Raleigh?

No. I don't think so. I don't know what the headset is threaded but I believe that the threads will be Japanese as the rest of the bike is.

Sun Tour shifter, but with Shimano rear derailer. It barely takes the largest sprocket and I shifter in onto the smaller front chainring. My walking is over! No more missing the silly bus! and it was a total delight riding it from the bus stop and with a blue ribbon winning Texas sunset to boot!

The frame is heavy. High tensile steel tubing. still heavy. Oh, it's very well built because it's Japanese but it's the gearing that makes it so special. I will put these parts onto a really special frame.... oh, the possibilities! Where's my crank puller tool? The gearing makes this frame usable and actually enjoyable, It's good as is. I inflated the tires and rode it home. it does not fold and this will cause me grief on the bus when the rack is already full.

I want to replace the handlebars with a longer quill. I don't want to take the bike out in public for fear if it being stolen like the paratrooper bike was.

Anyway's I'll have another B.S.A paratrooper bike and these parts will wind up on it.
I'll have the roman numeral 3 on the frame.

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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Super Record Mixte Japanese bike posted by Chris on 10/9/2008 at 8:14:23 PM
The mixte frames to want are the Reynolds 531 frame tubing models that were turned out by the true masters such as David Rattray's of Flying Scot fame.
I was disapointed to not see any Capmagnolo skewers or any other Campy parts.

The seat bolt is unique on this bike. No R nuts on this one as it is not a Nottingham, England bike.

I love the heron decal but dislike the wreath underneath the Heron and as for the Headbadge and decal with the lines across the part where it would say Nottingham, England or Africa there are just lines as if Raleigh was embarrised to state where it was made. It say's The Raleigh but there are lines underneath it on the badge and the badge is thicker and looks cheap. I hate the lines always did, always will.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Super Record Mixte Japanese bike posted by Chris on 10/9/2008 at 8:21:23 PM
Why am I so geeked up about this rear 6 speed derailer cluster? It is thin and the B.S.A rear frame end was so strong and rigid that it could not be spread with a frame spreader and nobody should try to. This cluster was exactly what I was yearning for this time last year. Larger, low gear sprockets!

As for the English made Raleigh Super records, gran Sports etc, some of these had long, large and serrated chrome nuts with the famous red R cap. These parts go for a lot on the bay!

I love the red Raleigh cap nuts.
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Super Record Mixte Japanese bike posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/10/2008 at 2:37:07 AM
Sounds like you've found yourself a fun project. There's been a Capri parked in the stand at work off and on for a couple of weeks now. "Raleigh Bicycly Co., USA" on a very cheesy headbadge. I'm sure 'twasn't made here...

What I don't like is I guess it was retrieved from the kerb or trash or some such place.... and is in need of attention maintenance wise.

It's not getting it.... and pretty much is in the bike rack, rain or shine....

While it's not Nottingham.... it deserves better than that methinks. Oh... all suntour components. Mostly alloy stuff.... with steel rims.

And BTW sir.... whatever became of that 3 wheeled machine we're all anticipating pictures of?

;-)

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - I have C.D.O. It's similar to O.C.D. but the letters are in alphabetical order the way they SHOULD be.
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Super Record Mixte Japanese bike posted by Chris on 10/10/2008 at 6:34:25 PM
It's still sitting in the peoples yard while I try to get my camera to hold a charge long enough to take some pictures. I will post the pictures here.

The local Wal mart did not have any 27 inch tires or tubes in stock and that causes me concern, but they do have a good selection of the products made by the Bell company.
This latest bike simply needed springing from the thrift store and I inflated the tires and this morning, the tubes still had pleanty of air.

As far as the red 3 wheel magical motorized contraption in the peoples yard. The fact that it is still there tells me it will likely be difficult to get them to part with it. After all, there are others about that love this stuff and collect goodies such as this. Overall I have had remarkable luck getting over the hurdles that have stopped other collectors. I manage to find a angle and I get in and my pals have asked in years past "How did you get in there?" and buy that stuff? But, you now what my experience has taught me? If you just be consistent and just show up and stay at it, regularly. Things open up, other people don't show up, things happen, One arch rival collector confessed to having no money available and that is why he was not there. I had called to ask, "Ok, Where are you? I'm at the Omellenchuck auction, thought for sure you'd be here in my way and where are you?" Timing and the remarkable luck of the crazy, blind squirrel" I'll do my best and I am persistent and you need to be also to succeed at this. If I get a "no" answer I'll stay on this one. People die and the wife or daughter will call and say: "Come get this thing outta my yard! Ya still want it?" I will get pictures and find out what it is, by name and manufactuer.
As for the Japanese Raleigh,
The miles fell away going to work and on my return and on the return it was all downhill, in the sunset.
beats walking!
I have to get pictures of this front rack that is mounted on the back. On weekends I have a 6 mile commute to meet the bus because the bus only goes so far on weekends.

10 pounds of potatoes, onions, big bag of cat food, butter, a big bottle of laundry soap, sos pads, pork chops and dish soap. All that in the Wald basket!
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Super Record Mixte Japanese bike posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/11/2008 at 5:19:11 AM
Ah... you know what, I've noticed that as well. Wal*Mart no longer sells tyres... or at least "real" tyres. They have some odd "Kevlar" thing all folded up in a carton...

They USED to carry all sorts of tires... hmmm... stand by... lemme check something.... Drat... I thought perhaps you could still acquire tires via "Site-To-Store"... but they only list the stupid folded up things.

Dammit all. I work for a Co. that supplies Wal*Mart and truely it's a whore's game when it comes to getting the ever-so-precious "Shelf Space" there...

So typical... run everyone else out of business... then... the bean-counters (no offence) descend and if something's not selling like lukewarm cakes... OFF WITH IT's HEAD.

Sorry to run a little off-topic here but this is a concern. At least if you needed to you could get block tread blackwall chen-shens at Walmart on the cheap...

I'll have to check K-mart.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - tired of all that rot....


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           RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Super Record Mixte Japanese bike posted by Chris on 10/12/2008 at 7:59:54 PM
don't apologize, you are right on the money.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Spuer record Mixte Japanese bike posted by Kevin on 10/13/2008 at 4:16:32 AM
I always go to my Local Bike Shop first. It's owned by nice, local people who know and love bicycles. They stock many things that no Walmart has. If they don't have something I want, they order it and I have it within a few days.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Spuer record Mixte Japanese bike posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/13/2008 at 5:38:45 AM
I'll have to check there. The LBS has relocated to 3 different places in the past year.... it's a shame actually... they had a very nice home for many years... and it burned down.

They do seem to have a nice spot in a newer "strip mall" in Westfall, PA. Alas they do deal mostly in rolling clouds, MTB's and a few "comfort" machines.

A "younger" staff in the place... I've only been in there a few times to look around.

Perhaps I'll have to roll in on one of my machines just to see if I get any sort of reaction.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Super Record Mixte Japanese bike posted by Ann Christine Martha on 5/3/2009 at 9:12:14 AM
I have a Raleigh mixte -- 1983 Clubman Lady (from Nottingham.

I'll be willing to sell it. I have modified the bike with very fine upgrades -- better seatpost, triple Campy crank, hand rebuilt wheels with Sun rims (original wheels were Weinmann factory wheels that made tire changing next to impossible to do without ripping off fingernails).

serious inquiries only

link to photos on Facebook


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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Super Record Mixte Japanese bike posted by Ann Christine Martha on 5/3/2009 at 9:44:05 AM
I have a Raleigh mixte -- 1983 Clubman Lady (from Nottingham.

I'll be willing to sell it. I have modified the bike with very fine upgrades -- better seatpost, triple Campy crank, hand rebuilt wheels with Sun rims (original wheels were Weinmann factory wheels that made tire changing next to impossible to do without ripping off fingernails).

serious inquiries only

link to photos on Facebook


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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Needed, wheels or rims. posted by: John on 10/9/2008 at 1:06:06 PM
I'm trying to source parts for my daily ride, a '55 Phillips 3 speed. The bike is in great shape, but the rims aren't quite round. Braking suffers and the front even bounces as I ride. I'm wondering if you can help. I'd be looking for:

a) a 32/40 hole set of EA3 steel rims - round. The stock ones are Dunlops. Keeping it original would be nice, but not necessary.
b) a set of round wheels. Sturmey AW rear.

Sun makes a replacement EA3 rim, but alloy hoops just wouldn't be right on this bike.

Thanks, I really love this bike. I probably put 40 miles a week on it, and even tow a BOB trailer when I go to the store.


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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Needed, wheels or rims. posted by Kevin on 10/10/2008 at 4:20:30 AM
A bike shop should be able to true your wheels. It's a routine shop procedure.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Needed, wheels or rims. posted by John on 10/10/2008 at 6:06:17 AM
Thanks,

I am a shop rat. I've generally build a dozen wheels a month. I'm familiar with truing. The rims are bent along the radius, so there's only so much that can be done. That's why I'm looking for new rims or wheels to replace these.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Needed, wheels or rims. posted by Kevin on 10/10/2008 at 10:34:35 AM
Might be cheaper to buy a girl's three-speed and part it out.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Needed, wheels or rims. posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/11/2008 at 6:03:21 AM
Here's a set.... no bids yet.

Ebay item: 270283826675

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - NOT a wheeler-dealer...
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Needed, wheels or rims. posted by Al on 10/14/2008 at 8:47:48 AM

You might try bikeville.com. They're in Philly.

http://bikeville.com/tires.html

If you scroll down, they list some 26 x 1 3/8 rims. Hey, they've got Van Schothorst 28-inch rims, cool!

My favorite - the Italian-made 650A tires. Too bad they're gone. Pneumatici indeed.

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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Needed, wheels or rims. posted by: John on 10/9/2008 at 1:06:06 PM
I'm trying to source parts for my daily ride, a '55 Phillips 3 speed. The bike is in great shape, but the rims aren't quite round. Braking suffers and the front even bounces as I ride. I'm wondering if you can help. I'd be looking for:

a) a 32/40 hole set of EA3 steel rims - round. The stock ones are Dunlops. Keeping it original would be nice, but not necessary.
b) a set of round wheels. Sturmey AW rear.

Sun makes a replacement EA3 rim, but alloy hoops just wouldn't be right on this bike.

Thanks, I really love this bike. I probably put 40 miles a week on it, and even tow a BOB trailer when I go to the store.


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AGE / VALUE:   SA indicator chain adjustment posted by: David on 10/9/2008 at 7:54:02 AM
So the Sturmey Archer manuals tell you to check the indicator chain adjustment by examining the amount which protrudes from the axle. Problem is, the axle nut obscures the end of the axle so it's not visible. Anyone else have this problem? I've been adjusting it by feel, ensuring that the indicator chain is "pretty tight"
when in 1st gear, however I'd like a more scientific approach to this whole thing. The thing I hate most about the SA hub is when it slips gears b/c the indicator adjustment is too loose, but I'm afraid to make it too tight.

David
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   SA indicator chain adjustment posted by another David on 10/9/2008 at 9:24:23 AM
That's what the windows in the nut are for. If you can't see the end of the axle thru the opening, I'd say your axle is the wrong length for your frame. (And you need to have the right length indicator for your axle.)
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   SA indicator chain adjustment posted by David on 10/9/2008 at 9:45:34 AM
Hmm...As far as I know the hub and axle are original to the machine. You said, "right length indicator," aren't they all the same size? I installed a new one from Harris.

What do you think about adding a LH axle nut so the window is readable. Will it stick out too far?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   SA indicator chain adjustment posted by Matthew on 10/9/2008 at 11:26:23 AM
This may sound very obvious folks and I have no wish to insult anybody's intelligence but.... You are adjusting the cable end of the indicator aren't you? I only ask that because one could read your description as adjusting the indicator in and out. Of course we all know that isn't the way to do it, don't we?

Matthew - probably being too obvious.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   SA indicator chain adjustment posted by David Poston on 10/9/2008 at 4:07:22 PM
That's right, Matthew, but the manual describes how much chain should be sticking out of the axle when you adjust the cable end. Do this is a reliable way to test the adjustment?

Is it normal for the end of the axle to be obscured by the RH axle nut? Perhaps I am missing a washer? I'll post a pic when I get a chance.
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: SA indicator chain adjustment posted by Warren on 10/9/2008 at 7:04:31 PM
I know the indicator/axle nut window method is recommended but an AW is easy to walk by the following steps.

a) Screw the indicator chain in all the way and then back it off by 1/2 a turn. Attach the shifter cable and slacken the adjuster somewhat.

b) Put the shifter in third gear and adjust the top tube fulcrum stop or the chain stay cable stop to just take up the required slack.

c) Test the gears and adjust tension with cable adjuster accordingly.

This will work.
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: SA indicator chain adjustment posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/11/2008 at 5:25:56 AM
Many methodologies here for certain. Using the S/A method, I've always found would get you in the ball park. After that, always needed to do a little fine tuning.

Not to worry. Eventually if you work with these machines long enough, you develop an eye for the appropriate cable slackness and a "feel" for when all is correct.

On thing... NEVER tighten the cable adjusting "barrel" with anything other than your fingers. Otherwise, should you find yourself down the roan and in need of a wee tweek... you'll rue the day you did it.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - a slacker... of sorts.
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: SA indicator chain adjustment posted by David on 10/11/2008 at 5:42:48 PM
Warren,

I've been doing it like this--by feel--for years, but I just thought I'd try to do it "right" now.

One thing--when you say unscrew the indicator chain halfway, do you mean just unscrew it enough so it lines up with the shifter cable, or unscrew it a full 180 degrees regardless?

thanks
David
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   SA indicator chain adjustment posted by Stephen on 10/14/2008 at 7:46:28 AM
David,

To reply to your earlier comment, the indicator spindles are not all the same length. Sturmey Archer made axles in at least 3-4 different lengths (standard Sports was 5 3/4"; DL1 used at least 6 1/8"). They made a number of indicator spindles, to fit the different axles.

In my experience, lining up the end of the indicator with the end of the axle was usually close, but typically it still needed minor adjustment.

I believe the purpose of unscrewing the indicator chain after inserting it is to avoid stripping the threads. To make it line up with the cable, it's not usually a full 180 degrees, but smaller amounts have never been a problem for me.
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FOR SALE:   Raleigh R20 For Sale posted by: Thom J. on 10/7/2008 at 10:53:58 AM
I've decided to sell my Raleigh R20 folder and am posting here to give those who would most appreciate it the first option to buy. I've had it for almost 2 years but am not using it in the way I intended; weekend vacation trips. Would prefer someone in the Los Angeles, Ca area who could pick up rather than having to cartonize and ship it. Have a photo on my reader page on this site, Thom J. Drop me a line if you have an interest. Otherwise, I'll be advertising it later this month in the Recycler. Thx again, Thom.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Guvnor.... DROOLING TOWEL RECOMMENDED posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/7/2008 at 10:51:55 AM
I didn't see this posted here prior... hopefully, not a tautological post...

I WANT ONE OF THESE...

http://www.pashley.co.uk/products/guvnor-3-speed.html

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Guvnor.... DROOLING TOWEL RECOMMENDED posted by Warren on 10/7/2008 at 6:12:55 PM
Nice...check out the 24 inch frame with the double top tube.

http://www.pashley.co.uk/guvnor/models.html
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Guvnor.... DROOLING TOWEL RECOMMENDED posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/7/2008 at 6:39:25 PM
Absolutely. These are anachronisms for certain. Funny... the pics of the three speed models seem to be lacking shifter cables. ;-)

Does Pashley ship to the states, I wonder?

Yeah... pricey... but darn they're sweet machines...

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - path racer... indeed.

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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Guvnor.... DROOLING TOWEL RECOMMENDED posted by Matthew on 10/8/2008 at 11:09:55 AM
Mr Boneman,

Were you asleep in my class on 01/01/08? During my lecture on the excellent products of Messrs Pashley and Co?

Mr Hodder - well?
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Guvnor.... DROOLING TOWEL RECOMMENDED posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/8/2008 at 4:17:25 PM
Not at all. Pashleys have been personal drool-fodder for quite some time. I believe... perhaps incorrectly... that the Guv'nor is a new offering.

It was featured in an high-end "Design" related periodical that someone had at work. I'll pursue and find out what exactly the publication was....

I saw a pic of it on the cover... and all other info pursuant to the publication became moot....

One feller is so fired up at work over it he's emailed them pursuant to possibly acquiring.

Maybe we gan get a multi-machine shipping discount.

Now... if part of "Class" was pursuant to getting them across the pond here... I must have either been asleep... or in the loo....

Perhaps a bit of remedial revue if there's info available. I would pay the price and the freight to have a Guv'nor here in the states.

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Well and GOOD ;-)

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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Guvnor.... DROOLING TOWEL RECOMMENDED posted by Matthew on 10/9/2008 at 11:30:19 AM
Sorry Larry,

I thought you would get the drift. I posted about the Guv'nor on 1st Jan this year!

You may have commented at the time but I doubt it given your recent and properly enthusiastic message on this occasion.

Matthew - far too cryptic?
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Guvnor.... DROOLING TOWEL RECOMMENDED posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/9/2008 at 5:11:48 PM
Ah... weel that be it then...... Forgive me as I've once again been migraine afflicted and when in such a state subtlety, unfortunately, is lost on me. A shame too as I much appreciate it.

I did manage to get a copy of the periodical... a nice writeup on the Guv'nor and Pashley on the whole.... I've only had a chance to skim it... but I saw an "aside" reference that leads me to believe that perhaps they are venturing forth and pursuing a Distributorship here in the U.S.

I'll post back once I get the time to actually READ the article.

If they're selling them here in the States... I'm afraid I verily well must have one.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Subtle as breaking wind in an elevator (lift)...


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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Guvnor.... DROOLING TOWEL RECOMMENDED posted by Thom J. on 10/10/2008 at 4:04:15 PM
I think the North Road Bicycle Company is still importing Pashleys; www.northroadbicycle.com. They also handle Moulton's bikes which I was looking into a while ago. The guy I e-mailed was Gilbert Anderson. Kinda pricy but really....really nice bikes. Thom
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Guvnor.... DROOLING TOWEL RECOMMENDED posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/11/2008 at 5:31:52 AM
These guys import them.

http://www.britishbicycle.com/

Odd though... they're based in Phoenix AZ. Not exactly propinquitous with any seaports that I'm familiar with.

Nor are they quick to respond to the email. Though I sent it from my work address.... perhaps there's something about that which would trigger a SPAM filter....

I'll give them 'til noon Monday then fire off another missive.

Meanwhile... they only list the single speed Guv'nor.... and it's dubiously prices at $1800 (thereabouts)

That beastly Abley frame I have downstairs.... It may still be there for a reason....



Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - GAD = Guv'nor Acquisition Disorder
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MISC:   Looking for Info: Royal 3-Speed posted by: Keith on 10/6/2008 at 4:12:11 PM
I bought, cleaned up and have been commuting on this bike for the last week. I really like it and I'm interested in some more information along with any comments. Judging by the rear fender stay mount, I'm guessing it is a Nottingham, Raleigh made bike. Assuming the rear hub is original, it's a 1964. I've discovered the following decals and markings:
Head badge-ROYAL
Down tube-GUARANTEED GENUINE ENGLISH LIGHT WEIGHT
Seat tube-MADE IN ENGLAND FOR D.P. HARRIS HDW. & MRG. CO. ROLLFAST BUILDING NEW YORK
Bottom Bracket-1671213 79
Rear Fender-ROYAL BRITAIN MADE
Hub-STURMEY ARCHER AW 64 3 THREE SPEED
Rims-26X1 3/8 DUNLOP E.A.3 MADE IN ENGLAND
Pedals-MADE IN ENGLAND
Trigger-STURMEY ARCHER ENGLAND 3 SPEED
Saddle-VISCOUNT MADE IN TAIWAN

So far I have replaced the old "Western Auto" tires and tubes, replaced all cables and housings, added a kick stand and plan to service the bottom bracket and replace the mattress saddle with a leather sprung saddle.

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           RE:MISC:   Looking for Info: Royal 3-Speed posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/6/2008 at 5:38:02 PM
I don't "have permission" to view the private photo... nonetheles... sounds like a wonderful machine. If you want a bit more authenticity, lose the seat and get a Brooks off Ebay for it.

Raleigh Industries made many brands after all manufacturing was "consolidated". Sounds like this one was perhaps made exclusively for "Rollfast" as they were there own brand here in the US.

Sort of like how the Huffy "Sportsman" was made in the U.K. and badged accordingly.

Either way, obviously British and you're absolutely in the right place.

Best of luck with it and ride safe!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Roll Brittania? Where has P.C. been of late?
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Looking for Info: Royal 3-Speed posted by Chris on 10/6/2008 at 6:01:20 PM
I want to go to New York and see the Rollfast building.
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           RE:MISC:   Looking for Info: Royal 3-Speed posted by Keith on 10/6/2008 at 7:55:39 PM
I think I fixed the security issue on the photo. Sorry about that. I found this bike in the basement of a house that I was given a tour of next to a job site I was working at. With out knowing anything about these bikes, I offered and bought it for $40. It had an unbelievable amount of grease all over it which I think helped protect it all these years. I could hardly believe how nice the chrome and paint cleaned up. The hub works great. I'm planning to put a Pletscher type 3 rear rack on it with a Wald wire basket for utility purposes. I've been looking on E-bay for a brooks, but for what they are selling for, I'm tempted to buy a Persons Apollo saddle. A new one goes for about as much as a used Brooks. Anyone have experience with these? Thanks for the responses. It's been a great thrill learning so much about English 3-speeds this last week.


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           RE:RE:MISC:   Looking for Info: Royal 3-Speed posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/7/2008 at 3:13:43 AM
Ah, pics speak volumes. She's in apparantly excellent shape and has responded well to your efforts. The non-original seat actually looks "right" on the machine. I was thinking it was an horrid moulded plastic unit from Wal*Mart or some such place.

The earlier machines, i.e., pre 1970's vintage had much better chrome and tend to really "pop" when attended to. The Pletscher Rack you seek would be spot-on for this machine as well.

I see the leaves are down in your locale... I like fall... alas, abhor the season that follows...

Nice looking velocipede... well worthy of having been retrieved from the dungeon and resurrected! You're correct as to the Nottingham manufacture. Pre-Raleigh, the stay attachements would be above and not behind the dropouts.

Ride it. That's what it lives for!

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Keep 'em rolling!
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MISC:   Abley Roadster = Miller Lighting System posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/6/2008 at 1:20:32 PM
So I've had this Abley sitting around forever now... never really assembled it as it's actually quite poor quality. What it does have on it though, is a rather nice Miller lighting system. Headlight that slips right on the existing stem based bracket, bottle gennie with tail light.

I'm thinking of taking it off there... and swapping it onto the DL-1 that is currently equipped with a Ramper system that's just odd looking.

I'm quite sure the "Miller" system was made in India as well... but it seems far and away much better quality than the balance of the Abley itself.

What would the consensus here be. It certainly has a very classic look to it.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - it's dark out awful early now :-S

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           RE:MISC: Abley Roadster = Miller Lighting System posted by Warren on 10/7/2008 at 6:14:43 PM
I have a Miller lighting kit where the headlamp is made in England and the tilight is made in Scotland. Odd.
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           RE:RE:MISC: Abley Roadster = Miller Lighting System posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/7/2008 at 6:43:10 PM
Hmmm... sounds interesting indeed... almost a political statement at that. ;-)

I'm pretty sure the lighting on the Abley is indian manufacture. I think I may just swap it on the the DL-1 just for fun.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Steve Miller's uncle is the man.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh with 3 digit serial number on frame posted by: Doohickie on 10/5/2008 at 9:16:27 PM
I recently acquired a Raleigh DL-1 Tourist. The hub date is 65 12. On the bottom bracket there is a three-digit serial number: 427. That's it, no other numbers, letters, anything. On BikeForums.net, someone who is compiling Raleigh serial numbers said he's seen a three-digit number once before. Any idea what it might mean or when the bike was actually assembled?

My theory is that perhaps Raleigh did a verification run on their tooling periodically, and they would use a different numbering system because these bikes were not intended to be sold to the public, but a few slipped through the cracks.

Has anyone else heard of anything like this?


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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh with 3 digit serial number on frame posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/6/2008 at 10:51:10 AM
Nice machine regardless of the number. I don't think those reflectors in the spokes are original though. ;-)

Interesting basket arrangements as well. Is that "as found" or added post-procurement?

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - a tisket a tasket....
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh with 3 digit serial number on frame posted by Doohickie on 10/6/2008 at 2:51:34 PM
I put the baskets on. The rest of the bike is pretty much as bought.
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh with 3 digit serial number on frame posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/6/2008 at 5:41:05 PM
Those are some serious baskets for certain. My hat's off to you there... I try to keep the GVW of my DL-1 to an absolute minimum and even re-geared she can sometimes be a bit daunting on the hills.

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone


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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh with 3 digit serial number on frame posted by Doohickie on 10/7/2008 at 10:26:42 AM
I find that riding this thing around is an excellent training regime; it makes riding bikes with more gears downright easy.
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh with 3 digit serial number on frame posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/11/2008 at 5:41:05 AM
A most excellent observation... There's a couple of men I work with that ride competitively... they're rather highly ranked as well... racing in Europe and such...

I keep telling them.... Hop on my DL-1 and train on that thing for a month. Then on Race Day, drad your rolling cloud out and SMOKE the competition!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Yes, I call them "Rolling Clouds"
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh with 3 digit serial number on frame posted by Doohickie on 10/11/2008 at 11:08:26 AM
No insight into the 3-digit serial number though, huh?
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh with 3 digit serial number on frame posted by Doohickie on 12/12/2008 at 9:25:29 PM
bump... in case anyone knows about 3-digit serial numbers on Raleighs.
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AGE / VALUE:   It's calling me... posted by: Chris on 10/4/2008 at 7:32:47 PM
It's a three wheeler, one wheel in front. Cushman, or someting like a Canadian "Bombadier" 3 wheeled vehicle. It's in these people's front yard. It has a headlight in front and has a roof and it's like an open golf cart chasis. It's not a bubble car but it's just as cool! I'm going to take pictures and well, I want it! It's just too cool. I see it on my way home and I am going to own it. All proper and legal, I am going to persuade them to sell it to me and when I appproach them, I will have a roll of bills in hand to temp them with. It's red and totally magical and I'm sure it's great on gas too!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   It's calling me... posted by Matthew on 10/5/2008 at 3:13:48 PM
Hi Chris,

Could it be a Piaggio Ape (you say it arr pay)? The Ape (Italian for Bee) is the big 3 wheeled brother of the Vespa (wasp). The idea became the ancestory behind the Tuk Tuk and its descendants. Some have an engine as small as 50cc!

Matthew - three wheels on my wagon.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mysterious red three wheeled vheicle posted by Chris on 10/5/2008 at 6:36:50 PM
I bought batteries for the digital camera today!
It proves there are magical things still lurking in the front yards in Texas. This will more than make up for the lack of vintage bicycles. Texas is the land of the Huffy bike.
I don't know what it is yet, but it is totally awesome and I must have it.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   It's calling me... posted by Steve on 10/6/2008 at 12:59:01 AM
This reminds me of Italian street scenes in the 1970's, we didn't really see too many in England, plenty of scooters though.
Don't forget you'll need to purchase a "parker", lots of mirrors and a compilation album by The Who !

Steve
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   It's calling me... posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/6/2008 at 1:29:17 PM
Reading your posts Chris.... I daresay if the object of your desire were a Guitar the diagnosis would be that you have GAS. Guitar Acquisition Sydrome. The symptoms are all there... alas... the "target" is not.

So let's see what it is... a trike.... hmmm....

Tricycle Acquisition Disorder? TAD? Hmmm... no... doesn't sound like a serious affliction... and from the sound of this... you're serious...

Perhaps if you could post up a pic of this machine I can come up with the proper affliction for you.

;-) Meanwhile... good luck in the acquisition process.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - GAS... I have it all the time.
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   It's calling me... posted by Chris on 10/6/2008 at 5:58:37 PM
I have not seen one of these ever, not this. I have seen similar stuff but this is special. I will post pictures here of it.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   It's calling me... posted by Jeff Bikeguy on 10/7/2008 at 7:14:27 PM
Is it a PPV?


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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   It's calling me... posted by Chris on 10/8/2008 at 6:10:28 PM
Nope, not one of those. My camera bit the dust, it was not the batteries after all. I will post a pictures and provide details.
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AGE / VALUE:   B S A posted by: S.H. on 10/4/2008 at 11:32:18 AM
Hello guys,bought the B S A today,some corrosion to the ali mudguards and on the 3 speed hub is stamped 85 so presumably that is its date of manufacture.Some rust on the chrome work but not to bad.On early shift today 6 to 2 (love them,I think not!)so popped in the club on the way home for a beer or two (as you do)put a pound in the fruity and got £20 out,so that is what I offered for the bike,and was gratefully accepted!So it only cost me a quid!Know what you mean about thieving scum bags.Had a early Raleigh moped with Sturmey Archer engine stolen from my securely locked shed a few years ago, reg NS 4144,never to be seen again!SWINE!Police not even interested.Hear from you all soon.
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AGE / VALUE:   A little off topic posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/4/2008 at 7:15:34 AM
Yesterday was "James Herriot's" Birthday. I'm currently about 3/4 of the way through "Dog Stories"....

Certainly many stories of a simpler time and place...

I wholeheartedly recommend the read. He "takes you places" for sure.

We lost him in 1995 and that's very sad... but reading his books are almost like listening to him tell the tales in person.

And he dipicts Yorkshire... as a painting... with his words.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - To the dogs I've gone once again...
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   A little off topic posted by Matthew on 10/4/2008 at 8:47:57 AM
Hi Larry,

I read the whole vet series, from 'It shouldn't happen to a vet' onwards, as a teenager. I was always transported to the Dales.

If you enjoy the late Mr Herriot then I thoroughly recommend the 'Constable' series by Nicholas Rhea. North Yorkshire Moors in the 50s and 60s, from a policeman's perspective. The books became a very popular but much less evocative TV series 'Heartbeat'. The books are far better.
Nick Rhea was a police officer in the North Riding of Yorkshire and many of the tales are autobiographical.

Matthew - baht'at
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   A little off topic posted by Steve on 10/4/2008 at 2:26:56 PM
According to my wife, his real name was Arthur James White and he lived in Thirsk, North Yorkshire.
He (family) lived down the road from my wife in the late 70's before she moved to "the smoke" (and met me) !

My wifes family had one or two horses, sheep, goats and four pet pigs...can you guess who the vet was ?

Steve - somewhere on Ilkley Moor !
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   A little off topic posted by Steve on 10/4/2008 at 4:02:14 PM
James Alfred Wight was his real name...I've just checked it !
Well, she was just a scatter-brained young lass at the time, nothing much has changed since !
I have been told one or two old stories about him, but you would need to be sitting around the fireplace in a cosy pub on a windswept rainy North Yorkshire evening to get the full atmosphere.

Steve - it's a small world, but it didn't used to be !
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   A little off topic posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/5/2008 at 4:54:35 AM
Steve get's the gold star for research. ;-) 'tis why I put Alf's pen name in quotes in my original post.

Small world, indeed. Perhaps in many ways it is shrinking abit. I never used to have "conversations" with folke 'cross the pond, aye? Though not necessarily "proper" conversations afre the Pub Fire...

;-)

Thanks for the recommendataion Matthew. Pondering that, in way I wish may Grandfather, who passed when I was but a lad, could have written a memoir of some sort. He was a New York City policeman from 1929 to 1955. Had to be some interesting tales there.

I'll seek out that particular author for certain.

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone -


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   A little off topic posted by Geoff Rogers on 10/6/2008 at 9:52:22 AM
The Yorkshire Dales is one of my favorite places. The Dales, apart from being one of the loveliest places on this earth (in my opinion, and I think James Herriot's as well), is the home of Theakstons ale and the Black Sheep brewery as well, and one could do a lot worse than trying one of their superb bitters.
It's one of those places that is so lovely you almost have to pinch yourself to make sure you're really seeing it.
But stay off the moor without your hat.
Where has tha' been since I saw thee?
(Old Yorkshire proverb).
I think it would be hard work negotiating the Dales on a trade bike, or even a roadster, though! One might really need that bottom gear on the four-speed.
Remembering the green Dales fondly,
Geoff Rogers
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Check your security ! posted by: Steve on 10/3/2008 at 1:19:40 PM
Yes it's that time of year again and were leading up to Christmas and you know what that means....THEFT !

We were burgled in the early hours of this morning, all the usual power tools (large and small), one bike, even my favourite wicker basket and plenty of other bits and pieces were taken.

This was a planned job, I have two wooden padlocked gates, a padlocked and booby trapped garage and still they got in without a sound being heard.

Padlocks meen nothing if a crow bar or screwdriver can be used elsewhere on your property to gain access.
These scum bags think in a different way, they even tried to come through the side of the garage wall by forcing one of the concrete sections out of place.

If your pride and joy and your wonderful tools are in there, just stop and try and think like a thief for a minute, analyse any possible weak points and do something about it NOW ! it might save you a lot of grief.

If anyone touches my garage again, there will be one heck of a noise and a light show to follow.

Steve - I'm a peaceful type of person...but I hope this trash rot in hell.

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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Check your security ! posted by Matthew on 10/3/2008 at 3:13:51 PM
Steve,

I am horrified and hurt for you.

Matthew - angry
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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Check your security ! posted by Chris on 10/3/2008 at 6:39:55 PM
I am saddened to hear of your loss. Sorry that they got away with it without being heard or seen. I recently had a bike stolen myself and I know how you feel.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Check your security ! posted by Kevin on 10/4/2008 at 6:44:05 AM
Steve -- I hope that you didn't lose one of your trade bikes. If you did, it should be easy to spot on the street.
Burglars around here will cut a hasp or padlock with bolt cutters, as if it were made of butter. I leave a heavy metal wheelbarrow leaning against my garage door, because it is cumbersome and noisy to move. A security light attached to an inexpensive motion detector is helpful, too ... so far, anyway.
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           RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Check your security ! posted by Steve on 10/4/2008 at 12:23:26 PM
Thanks Gents,

I've taken the appropriate actions, these people have incredible nerve. To thwart them you have to think in a bizarre manner.

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           RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Check your security ! posted by Chris on 10/4/2008 at 7:16:04 PM
Some newly made acquaintences of mine had seen people snooping around and they were worried about getting things stolen. The one fellow removed the pit bull's collar and let the dog loose on the property. They heard "screaming in the middle of the night, and in the morning there was a lot of blood. Just blood."
The pit bull is a one eyed, girl dog and when they describe this dog's attitude it's like encountering Satan.
The theives certainly do take their chances. Some property owners already do, "think on a different level."
My old house was on a corner lot and two storey, and I saw her drive up and get out and go up to my back door while I was sitting at my desk overlooking the whole thing. She was not happy and quite surprised that I saw her coming.
Where you are sitting is important. Had I gotten the fellow to wire the back porch with video and audio in time we'd have sent the offenders to prison but they got away with it because I had no proof to show. You have to rememeber these things come back at you and is it worth it?
I bought a dog collar ( my dog has been dead for 20 years and I didn't have another) I handed it to the party that was hassling me and said "this belongs to my lawyer, he's off his leash and he a nasty old bulldog."
He got the scent and it was not pretty.
Later on, before I moved away. I went and sat in the $56,000.00 red Porche in the dealership and reflected. Had I never hired the lawyer and gone that route that I did, I could have had the car free and clear, cash money. Keeping a lawyer like a Pit Bull is expensive but like a Pit Bull they come in handy.
I had a fellow open his coat and flash a gun in a leather holster and grin at me with a whispered threat and that ended everyting. I'm too old, and too sensible, to get silly with firearms and had I stayed, it would have required that, or stay and be murdered in the family home. Which is what would have, occured. Some people keep two legged pit bulls and if they carry a gun it does not matter one whit if the bull weighs 400 lbs and is slow as molassis as they waddle up the driveway. I wish I had installed gate to keep folks at bay off the property. However like a thief, if they want to get you or your stuff most likely they will.
As for a different mindset. there is legal and illegal mindsets. I choose and prefer always, the legal one.
People from different parts of the world have different attitudes or mindsets. My mess and problems were reviewed, we discussed it because they had stuck their nose in and were making comments and chewing me out like a son who needed scolding and what would be done if I was their blood and his son and if it was their granddaughter instead of a strangers.
"Why do you let this happen? Why, in MY country.... We would handle it quite differently, we would do this......" And in his country, they do. What happened to me would not happen to his son, or his brother. It would not have gotten that far, and no lawyer would have been needed.
"Would you like us to handle this for you?" I shook my head and we polietly (and me firmly) declined. He shook his head at me disgusted they made comments among themselves in another language and shook their heads at me. They had seen the situation and watched the tapes. Their ways were not, and are not, my ways. and I replied that "I follow the laws" on the books. Laws that did not permit such tactics. However like I said, in their country the men handle things differently. There are pros and cons of not being that kind of a man. I may be shamed but I am free to enjoy the sunset while riding home in the back of the truck after work. There is someting to be said about flashing a gun and grinning at somebody, and the whispered threat is always more effective when combined with the flash of the opened coat. They get the message. I sure did. I ended the family's stay there after 70 years. I left.


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           RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Check your security ! posted by Chris on 10/4/2008 at 7:30:15 PM
If everybody on the whole block and seen the thieves coming and if they were watching over you and your place all protective, like you were married to somebody's sister and you were a cousin or just a family member and if these people keep you under their wing and if you just have friends that keep their eye on you, then these people would have been caught, your things not stolen. Then again, how much privacy would you already have given up? with folks no matter how friendly and well intentioned, watching your every move. Even if you live a straightlaced lifestyle, it gets smothering living under somebody's wing or watchful eye.
If you have to worry about your stuff all the time it's a drag and it affects your quality of life.

When I was mocked, "You set a lawyer after that me, Is that the best you can do? The answer was, Yes. All I could do. All I could think of doing. Anything else was outside my realm.
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AGE / VALUE:   Don't take "No" go over their head! posted by: Chris on 10/1/2008 at 6:58:31 PM
Bought a vintage picnic basket today. It was in the basket of things they were putting out in the store tomorrow. I asked if they would sell it.

the nman said No. It was not going to be available until 10 am tomorrow. I would have to return tomorrow. and not until tomorrow would it be available. he would not hold it for me either.

all this B.S. for a $4.00 basket. he didn't want to hear about the price of gas, or the bother I'd go thru or about how it would mess up my day that would mean my taking the day off work which I would not do. Today was play day, tomorrow was not possible. He didn't care that it meant a lot to me. I would have to come back.

Well, I was already ticked off they had no bikes!

I went over his head. with gritted teeth, I fought for it!

I asked the cashier and wanted to speak to the manager. The cleek told me "he was the manager" The short guy? I asked. No, the manager is tall, and he wears a white shirt and a tie not the short little troll I dealth with.( sorry but he was mean) Oh, thank God! The wonderful manager fellow nodded at the lady and we walked back and I got it in hand. made a beeline for the cashier and paid for it!

A minute later with tears on my face I held it as we pulled the truck out into traffic towards home.

My point is. Don't give up. Ask for the manager. be polite, respectful but firm. You go get it. Be creative. Go over their head if it gets tough. it's just a basket, or a bike, or somebody beautiful and special. Gather up your nerve.

Like a secretary you have to get around, snarky sales people are to be stepped over or around or tunnelled under. I looked up the company on the website. they are still around and this one is more complete and in better shape than the one we had.

And oh yes, I'll be back and looking for bikes. I'm in new territory and I intend to use all my skills and talents.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Don't take posted by Steve on 10/2/2008 at 1:01:26 AM
I took exactly the same approach around three weeks ago with an ex-display oven that was languishing on the shop floor with a hidden dent in it.

It's now dent-free and lives happily ever after in my kitchen !

The tricky part was attaching it securely to my wifes back in order that she could ride home safely without fear of a)getting a puncture or (b)delaying traffic due to the extreme width of the outer packaging !

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           RE:AGE / VALUE: Don't take posted by Matthew on 10/2/2008 at 10:43:12 AM
Steve,

You purveyor of pork pies! We all know your dear lady gainfully loaded the oven on to your low gravity Gundle trade bike and pedalled home at a rapid rate of knots (being unable to slow down with all that weight up front).

I can attest to the quality of this oven and Steve's dear lady's ability to produce a wonderful meal from said oven.
Steve is modest about his family's skills as hostesses. So I will sing their praises.

Matthew - I am unanimous in that
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Don't take posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/4/2008 at 7:15:15 AM
Purveyor of Pork Pies.... Might that be "British" for...

Snake Oil Salesman? ;-)

Cheers!

Larry "Bomeman" Bone - Purveyors oft frequent emporiums.....
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Don't take posted by Matthew on 10/4/2008 at 8:50:29 AM
Pork pies; rhyming slang for untruths

Matthew - your old china
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: Don't take posted by Al on 10/8/2008 at 12:08:38 AM


pork pies - they can get you in a load of Barney


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