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AGE / VALUE:†††Why some hubs have no date to it posted by: Chris on 9/18/2008 at 5:23:45 PM
Another thing to keep in mind is that many times the factory workers were working on "piece rates" and they were hurrying to get things made and in the completed bin and more material in the press or machinery. But then again there was quality control and bosses watchng.

I cannot sucessfully answer the question why there are no dates on some hubs.
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AGE / VALUE:†††Tri- Ang slot cars Made in England posted by: Chris on 9/18/2008 at 5:19:39 PM
I had a boxed set of Tri - Ang toy slot cars go through my hands a year ago. Trashpicked the whole boxed set. Tri ang toys made in England. Another magical time and magical stuff. I wish I discovered and collected it sooner!!
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Tri- Ang slot cars Made in England posted by Steve on 9/19/2008 at 1:53:12 AM
If I had saved (collected) everything I had as a child, I would be a very wealthy (and content) man by now !

Tri-ang, Minix, Hornby, Dinky, Matchbox, Dublo, Chad Valley etc etc, the list goes on.

I would also need three aeroplane hangers in order to display the stuff and of course...ride my Triang bike around.
Mind you I would have to remove the stableisers !

Steve - a logistical "Triumph" !
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Tri- Ang slot cars Made in England posted by edgar X on 9/19/2008 at 8:42:46 AM
Eldon 1/32 scale slot cars. Great fun, you could really "drift" them things around corners, much better than HO scale.
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†††††††††† RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Tri- Ang slot cars Made in England posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/19/2008 at 4:32:17 PM
Gad... the auld Aurora "Thunderjet" slot cars were a blast... I still have a few of them as well as track, etc. Unlike their modern verions that can run up vertical surfaces.. you really had to "drive" them to keep them from flying off the track...

I had the complete set of original 1968 Hot Wheels as well... and even the much coveted "Boss Hoss Silver Special" Mustang you could only get by being in the "Hot Wheels" club.

I still have my original S gauge American Flyer Frontiersman electric train...

It's funny... I think that in no small part, the success of Ebay is attributable to folks buying back their childhood one auction at a time....

;-)

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - pondering the price of his toys....
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†††††††††† RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Tri- Ang slot cars Made in England posted by Warren on 9/20/2008 at 9:41:56 AM
Man...I had the Boss Hoss and the full "wheel" set too. Wish I still did.
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†††††††††† RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Tri- Ang slot cars, estate sales, fun times posted by Chris on 9/20/2008 at 7:44:17 PM
The carpenter that I had do woodwork in my old house, he and his wife bought a house of their own and cleaned it out and it was a real mess. He supposedly, found boxes and boxes of vintage collectable cars and stuff and after selling it off on e- bay he had made over $60,000 from the sale of what he found in the house.

Stunned at what people leave behind!
As a child, I remember...
I opened the door to my grandmothers bedroom without knocking and she was sitting on the bed with money literally all over, piled up in piles all over the bedspread counting. I was told to shut up so she would not forget the figure in her head. She was up over $20,000... and she was from the depression era. This comes in handy when the electricity blackout occurs and nobody can process your credit/ debit card sale as the computer is down as it is ALL run by electricity this way you can eat, as cash is all they will accept at the local marklet or the pizza place on the corner. Rather not so brilliant of a plan generally due to fire or theft and you can't have anybody in to do any work in your home until you clean out your treasures BEFORE they come in. If you foreget, THEY will clean it out for you and it happens all the time , plus people are nosey as all heck!

There was a hobby shop on Woodward Ave, in Royal Oak, near Detroit and they had a huge slot car track and this particular hobby shop was heaven for slot car fans. they had clubs and it was a huge track. Those were fun times.
I have fond memories of an estate sale where I turned down the offer of skinny dipping in the mansion's pool but accepting and buying up all the collectable slot/ model, clockwork toy cars at give away prices. She had a bottle of wine and was already toasted when I pulled up the driveway. If I get caught and shot by somebody's husband, who is gonna re-sell off and enjoy the goodies on the table? It's a matter of Priorities!
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AGE / VALUE:†††I miss Sheldon Brown posted by: Chris on 9/18/2008 at 4:50:49 PM
It's been ahwile since we lost him, but it hurts knowing that Sheldon is no longer with us. I think of how he used to fall down due to his illness and not be able to get back up until somebody came home. With all the people worldwide who adored Sheldon and here he was, sitting alone unable to get back up onto his feet. His journal tells about what all he went thru.
Then the heart attack, and he's gone. Like losing the bright and morning star. Yes, still reeling.
Sheldon was probably trying to get to the computer to answer all his e- mail's too.

Anyways, I think about all the bike people I have ran across and met and dealt with in person who are no longer with us.
For me, there has been a lot that are now gone and I miss them.
One friend had a stroke and his speech went and he offered me his space at the flea market. It kicked the wind out of me. His speech came back, he's the same as before and crying turns to laughter but he's lucky to have made it back and I'm lucky to have more time with him.

If there is somebody you have not called in awhile, or visdited with, or that bike collector who has that stuff in the barn that you were wanting to buy up. either business or personal things.

Do it now!
Things happen.

We don't know what happened to Sheldon's bike collection, do we?



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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††I miss Sheldon Brown posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/19/2008 at 4:39:26 PM
I had on occaision corresponded with the late Mr. Brown pursuant to his wonderful "advertisement"... I believe he called it "Product W"....

Seeing as I work in the R&D Facility adjacent to where 60 or so metric tonnes of M&M's are made every day, I found his togue-in-cheek article hysterical and charming for certain.

Can't quite recall precisely.. I know he left us pursuant to an heart attack... but was he not afflicted with M.S. as well? I seem to have a nebulous recollection.... Nasty business that... my fiance is so afflicted and it can be very dicey.

Anyhow... a bright, shining star... a font of knowledge and an absolutely devilish and eccentric sense of humour...

As with the passing of so many... the world seems diminished once they have left it.

I hope rod brakes work better amongst the clouds then they do down here in the fog, aye?

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Mr. Brown, sir, we do miss you.
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE: I miss Sheldon Brown posted by Matthew on 9/20/2008 at 12:24:57 AM
There is a place wherein the hills roll gently ever downwards. The sunshine always falls upon one's back and the breeze skips gladly behind. Fresh meadows await a picnic, birds sing sweetly, beasts of field and forest go about their business unfettered and yet hinder not the pace of a cyclist. Quiet resting places abound and company is good. Streams rush by busily filling distant lakes. Distant snow capped peaks look down benignly upon those enjoying a journey. The peace is all encompassing and there are no cars. In a place such as this the eternal cyclist may hope to abide.

Matthew - in thoughtful mode.
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†††††††††† RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: I miss Sheldon Brown posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/20/2008 at 6:37:43 AM
Well stated sir.

Don't know if anyone else agrees... but in my time here, I've come to know this discussion board as truly one of the last bastions of eloquence, proper spelling (British and or "American"), grammer... and downright civility on the entire internet.

Even the disagreements... as few and far between as they've been... are downright civil.

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - with humble reverance....


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AGE / VALUE:†††what's the largest S/A cog posted by: sam on 9/18/2008 at 3:01:53 PM
so what's the largest S/A cog made for there 3 speeds? Is 22 the largest they made?
I'm sure other brands of cogs could have been used but my question is limited to options offered by S/A.
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††what's the largest S/A cog posted by Chris on 9/18/2008 at 4:34:01 PM
Sam, 22 tooth is the largest Sturmey- Archer made, or felt comfortable making. Tony Hadland writes in his book that Sturmey Archer "could not warrentee a hub with anything larger than a 22 tooth cog." They were afraid they would get into trouble with customers tearing up hubs and then wanting their money back.

I remember in my Brown Brother catalog while leafing through the pages and seeing that,
Back in the day, companies like the Cyclo gear company had display boards with individual cogs that were the screw type and so much of this did fit onto the threaded sturmey archer type drivers and people mixed and matched and came up with things that were a bit outside the box we got away with that if the threading just happen to match and jive together. These days, unless you are a mega collector with a huge stash ( parts bins full of goodies) to draw from
it gets harder. I remember all the cogs and some got quite large.
I believe it was Sheldon's shop, Harris and the Harris website that was offering us a 24 tooth cog made by the German Sachs company I believe. I found a skip tooth cog that threaded onto the threaded driver. You have to dwell in the way older stuff to solve problems and create with neat stuff. As time went on the variety and selection lessened, making crazy projects less possible. Today, as you know people use deraileur clusters that they break apart using the individual cogs but that is using deraileur cogs. My daughter tore up my Brown Brothers book as it was on my desk, about to be scanned onto a disc. I was going to offer the discs here, on oldroads.com. That never happened and I feel that I failed the whole group here. The fellow who did succeed in getting the Brown Brothers catalog copied onto disc and sold on e- bay was Bruce Robbins From Angus, Scotland. I don't have his e- mail address either.

I am sorry I don't have a disc of that information to sell, gift, or lend.

You have to find the Brown Brothers catalogs on e- bay and add it to your library, or find Bruce and buy a disc. To everybody here I suggest that you buy the old bicycle books, literature, posters and scan and add it to the internet.

I paid thru the nose for a collectable book and I lent it out and can't get it back. The guy was delighted to get it, he devoured it and he and the book disappeared into a black hole never to be seen again. Don't lend out originals.

Another really stupid ting I did was to buy up a collectable German distributor book beating out the Bughatti Trust people and they were disbelieving how much I bid it up and beat them out. I refused to make them copies and I pissed them off, big time and I had paid a lot to have it copied onto double sided pages on primo paper and it was in a box heading to be scanned onto a disc that was to be sold and scattered thru the hobby like johnny Appleseed seeds. Oh, how the collectors would have flipped out to see that book. The Germans did cotterless cranks back in the 1920'sd and such quality! The Bugatti company had their bikes in the book and that is why the Bughatti trust people so dearly wanted the book. I lost the box and the origional book.
The Brown Brothers catalog got destroyed. I guess I'm not good in holding onto the vintage bike literature I find. I can find, it but fail at getting it onto disc or copied.

My very best suggestion is to open up a e- mail coorespondence with Hillary Stone who sells parts and goodies on e- bay. I don't have his e- mail address.
This is like me pointing to the top of Mount. Maccu Picu and advising that you "go see the oldest and wisest man in our village." It's worth the climb.

Does anybody here have Hillary Stone's e- mail address? I would also like to ask that the other readers here also give Sam their two cents worth, so he has more than just me answering this thread.





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†††††††††† RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††what's the largest S/A cog posted by David Poston on 9/18/2008 at 9:10:09 PM
Sam,

I was just thinking of ordering a large SA sprocket from Harris Cyclery for my 1952 Phillips, maybe a 21 or 22 tooth to replace the 18 tooth one. However, do you think the chain will be long enough? The chainwheel is 48 teeth.

I'm curious what kind of gearing the rest of you guys are using for your 3-speed bikes.

David
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†††††††††† RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††what's the largest S/A cog posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/19/2008 at 2:27:57 AM
I put a 22T on the rear of the DL-1. For the hills here in the Pocono Mts. it's been a lifesaver. I've been riding it to beat the band the past two weeks because it's been such a pleasure.

Before that... it had an 18T... I upped it to 19T and it was still quite daunting. Now? I rolled 4 miles last night... using the bottle genny the whole time and while certainly excersize... not burdensome.

Yes... I had to add links to the chain.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - reCOGnizable improvement!
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††what's the largest S/A cog posted by edgar X on 9/19/2008 at 9:11:00 AM
I've got a 24-tooth Bendix cog on the rear of my Schwinn w/Sturmey 5-speed. There's no "dish" to this cog, and it lines up great. Love that low gear range. Glenn's recommends setting it up so that "direct drive" - the middle gear - is where you pedal the most.


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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE: what's the largest S/A cog posted by sam on 9/19/2008 at 2:15:59 PM
I agree with Larry that a 22 tooth cog is better than the original 18.Fact is I've ridden Larry's DL-1 with the 18 cog and it really made my legs hurt.Larry's dl-1 was bought in Houston at a swap and show--I sold it to Robert who sold it to Larry---you know these bike gotta stay in the Family!
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†††††††††† RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: what's the largest S/A cog posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/19/2008 at 4:44:02 PM
Provenance... for certain. Robert was so kind to sell the machine to me back then. I just came in from a 4 mile jaunt on it not but minutes ago... dodging deer and turkey.... no bear tonight thankfully.

An absolute pleasure with that new cog back there. I wish I had done it long before now!

The Bike sez HELLO SAM! ;-)

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - sometimes I do wish they COULD talk! What tales they could tell!
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†††††††††† RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: what's the largest S/A cog posted by Chris on 9/19/2008 at 6:01:02 PM
I was able to fit the 22 tooth cogs inside the enclosed chaincases by the way, without any problem I have had to add chain past 20 tooth and no problem. Many times it's the original chain with the snap apart ends. You just add a link.
Glad to hear that the flat cog didn't give you a hassle but there are times when it does. Yes, the bikes go round and round, they have lives of their own.

The best thing about keeping them in the family is that they are understood, appreciated, properly cared for and enjoyed as they are supposed to be.


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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE: Pedant alert! posted by Matthew on 9/20/2008 at 12:31:32 AM
Sorry folks; I can't help it.

There are NO cogs on any of your bicycles!

You have two sprockets, at least, but cogs are applewood teeth on the gear wheels of wind mills.

Matthew - help! Is there a Pedants anonymous?
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†††††††††† RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Pedant alert! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/20/2008 at 6:32:57 AM
Well then... see here now... I have Spacely Sprockets on the FRONT and Cogswell Cogs on the BACK... of all my machines.

;-)

And yes even so... my car has a boot a bonnet, wings... an all that!

Interestingly enough... the motorbike only has sprockets...

meanwhile... being the logophile I am... and in an attempt to ameliorate a sudden bout of obfuscation... as I've always done... I looked them both up. Dictionary.com of course... alas... should I need to I could crack the unabridged... but for now... the aforementioned seems to spell it out clearly enough.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cog

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sprocket

Most interesting.... that sprockets are also called chain wheels... whereas it would seem a cog is more just a tooth on a gearwheel.

Thanks for bringing it to our attention Matthew. So... hence and forthwith... "Rear Sprocket" may be a more appropriate term?

;-)

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - I can hear the cogs.. er... gears... in my head grinding over this one....

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†††††††††† RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Pedant alert! posted by David Poston on 9/20/2008 at 10:55:43 AM
Regarding upgrading to a 22-tooth rear sprocket, does this mean I should buy TWO new chains to get enough links? 114 links won't be enough?

David
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††what's the largest S/A cog posted by Keith Body on 9/20/2008 at 3:45:34 PM
I sent Hilary Stone an email "hilary dot stone at blueyonder.co.uk" a few weeks ago, no reply but not returned. I live some 20 miles from the last address I have for him in Bristol, UK.
SA preferred to supply hubs with 18 t, they just did not cope with enthusiastic pedalling even with those. I could take the teeth off the planets by just pedalling.
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†††††††††† RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Pedant alert! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/20/2008 at 4:49:22 PM
As I recall, I did procure two new chains when putting tha large sprocket... cog... chainwheel... on the back. You may only need a few links from chain number two... That's all I recall I needed. Do retain the balance though... just in case you need additional links for other such chain "extensions".

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - better to have... and not need, eh?
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†††††††††† RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Pedant alert! posted by Chris on 9/20/2008 at 7:51:01 PM
Mathew is correct. I guess my incorectly saying "cog" is a result from my using gasoline to clean bike parts awhile ago. A very stupid thing to have done. I didn't get blown up I just now say "cog" instead of sprocket.
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†††††††††† RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Pedant alert! posted by Chris on 9/20/2008 at 7:59:12 PM
Yes, we all buy two chains and use what we need and save the rest. It's what we do.
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††what's the largest S/A cog posted by Steve on 9/20/2008 at 11:42:08 PM
Currently re-chaining five trade bikes (cycle trucks) with six 3/16" chains.
Funny how you learn things...for some reason I expected all chain stays to be the same length...but they're NOT !

Steve - an inch away !
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Abley Bicycle Works, Ltd posted by: Pete on 9/18/2008 at 5:25:09 AM
I've recently come in posession of an Abley bicycle, which I assume to be an older English road bike. Touring style, rod brakes that actuate against the inside of the rims, lugged steel frame, except the seat stays are bolted on, (not brazed). The seat is pretty exotic; looks to be leather supported by coil springs, each rear springs coils are actually pairs of twisted wire.

I can't find any reference to this bike or manufacturer with Google search. This site has a few hits on older discussion boards, but I can't find the actual discussion (might be deleted or archived)

Anyone have any idea where/when these were produced, if at all?

Thanks,
Pete
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Abley Bicycle Works, Ltd posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/18/2008 at 10:56:16 AM
Made in India. Probably still being made there. I have one that I procured new off Ebay... as received in this country directly from the manufacturer.

I found it to be of such dubious quality, I never really got up the motivation to even assemble it.

Best of luck with it for certain.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - using it for spares....


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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Stainless Steel Rod Brake Hardware posted by: KG on 9/17/2008 at 6:41:04 PM
Anyone know of a manufacturer of STAINLESS rod brake hardware? Looking for Rods, Pivots, etc.
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Stainless Steel Rod Brake Hardware posted by Chris on 9/18/2008 at 4:46:05 PM
Never seen it. Anywhere. Stainless Sturmey Archer nuts and indicator chain nuts. Stainless Raleigh Chopper bicycle related parts.

No Stainless steel rod brake parts.

Did you guys know that Pashley uses ALLOY in their 28 x 1 1 /2 Westwood bicycle rims for use on the Pashley Guv'nor bicycle? I doub't that you can get the rims without ordering the whole complete Guv'nor cycle. Go the Pashley website and see the bike for yourself. This particular bike is my dream bike. It's a roadster bike that uses reynolds 531 tubing. the only one have seen to use it.
keep looking, I am so far from having all the answers. It may turn up yet. this is mysterious and mystical, magical stuff we are dealing with and like a mirage it may appear.

Legend has it, that Schwinn employees ran Stainless steel through the tube mill late at night after the bosses went home and collectors deny it ever happened but there WERE stainless steel 26 x 2. 125 Schwinn s- 2 rims. I have had them in my very hands.
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†††††††††† RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Stainless Steel Rod Brake Hardware posted by Chris on 9/18/2008 at 4:50:33 PM
I go to Sheldon's site and see everything that goes up on e- bay bikewise every day and I have see stainless steel chopper aftermarket parts and the aftermarket sturmey archer nuts. I watch and read and lurk but have not yet seen stainless steel rod brake parts. I think it is tottally awesome that you ask. I am not alone in my passion for these bikes and I am so happy to be a part of this group here!
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Stainless Steel Rod Brake Hardware posted by KG on 9/19/2008 at 1:02:48 AM
My love of stainless goes back to my love of old motorcycles. There is a plethora of new stainless parts to replace chrome/cadmium on old motorbikes. Thank God for that. Sometimes, there is a good reason they don't build them like they use to.

Anyway, I am in China. There are lots of repro Raleigh parts around and of course the domestically made, Forever, Flying Pigeon, Phoenix, Five Rams, etc, are all brake rod roadsters built in numbers that the British manufacturers never dreamed of. Ditto in India where Hercules and Westwood are made. Not suprisingly lot's of parts will interchange.

I figured somewhere in China, England, India or elsewhere, at sometime, somebody must have thought of the obvious step of using stainless instead of chrome. I am actually, quite suprised that nobody has. I mean, it rains even more in England than in China, I would have thought there would be a demand.
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Stainless Steel Rod Brake Hardware posted by Steve on 9/19/2008 at 2:16:30 AM
Forgive my ignorance on this, but how does the manufacturing (hence the cost) process differ between Stainless and Chrome ?

I have a mountain of sad chrome parts here..I just wished some of it WAS stainless.

Steve
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Stainless Steel Rod Brake Hardware posted by KG on 9/19/2008 at 2:40:11 AM
When you see "18:10 Stainless", it means that 18% of the alloy is chrome and 10% is nickel. The other 72% is steel.

I suspect this is considerably higher content of more expensive metals than the atom thin electroplate coating of copper, nickel and Chrome of most "show plate" fixtures.

Still worth it in my estimation.
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Stainless Steel Rod Brake Hardware posted by Steve on 9/19/2008 at 4:45:41 AM
I must confess to being quite "blase" about two ex Dyno 4 Superb rims I have here.
Yes, they are stainless and they're real beauties...the remainder of the bike had been painted gloss bathroom blue (minus the dolphins) with possibly something akin to a witches broom !
Thankfully they escaped.

Thanks for the technical "breakdown" explanation.

Steve
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Stainless Steel Rod Brake Hardware posted by KG on 9/19/2008 at 5:17:54 AM
Steve-

I should also add that stainless is quite a bit harder to form than mild steel, which drives up the cost as well.


Got any pics of these "blase" rims?

:D :D
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†††††††††† RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Stainless Steel Rod Brake Hardware posted by Kevin on 9/19/2008 at 6:54:09 AM
A magnet will not stick to stainless steel. That's a good test to determine what you have.
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Stainless Steel Rod Brake Hardware posted by Keith Body on 9/21/2008 at 12:45:38 PM
I used to get Raleighs supplied with stainless "westrick" rims where possible. The one problem with them was in the frequent rain here (UK) the brakes were almost useless. Most users did not go very fast. These "westrick" rims had a slightly deeper well (centre of the rim) which made tyre removal easier. Never used tyre levers, ever.
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Stainless Steel Rod Brake Hardware posted by Flying Pigeon LA on 10/8/2008 at 1:04:13 AM
I just opened up a shop in L.A. selling Flying Pigeon bicycles. It has been a bit of a challenge to find a domestic (U.S.) supplier of rod brake kits and small parts to work on our rod pull brakes. Fortunately (or unfortunately?) some of the bikes shipped from the factory were not properly assembled. We have used them as "parts bikes" thus far. The components we have are definitely NOT stainless steel, but they are Raleigh reproductions. If you need anything in particular shoot me an email.

If anyone has a lead on a bulk supply of good rod draw bolts and Raleigh type rod brakes, please email me! I've found spare parts for most of our bike components, but these have thus far eluded me.


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†††††††††† RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Stainless Steel Rod Brake Hardware posted by matt on 10/12/2008 at 12:19:09 PM
Stainless Sturmey Archer wheel nuts do exist! I have them on my bike and they were made right here in the U.K on a lathe in my shed! they are MUCH tougher than the originals which strip by just looking at them!
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Dim move of the day ! posted by: Steve on 9/17/2008 at 9:26:31 AM
My Hercules trade bike (cycle truck) that I converted from 1/8" to 3/16" running gear, 26 x 1 3/8 to 26 x 1 3/4 tyres etc etc has been mothballed for a while waiting for a consignement of 3/16 chain to arrive.

Anyhow, chain arrived (eventually) and I "severed it" to the appropriate length, fitted it...ok looks/feels good...lets go !

Meanwhile the tyres were looking a bit "podgy", so I inflated them only to find the "beefy" front tyre rubbing the mudguard in one or two places...so, off with the wheel (after removing brake blocks and general messing about - my front wheels never seem to drop out of the slots easily even when things are lined up properly).

O.K., remove mudguard and re-shape in one or two areas (without going mad and deforming things), replace mudguard, put wheel back and sling the brake blocks back !

The moral of the story is this :-

Never stare at problems on other bikes whilst putting brake blocks with open and closed ended shoes back in position because the following will happen...

Now, I tend to ride approximately 14 miles a day delivering one of my children to/from school, today I wanted to test-ride the Hercules to see how things had settled in...the outboung journey was fine and so was the return journey until almost home when all of a sudden my front brake lever was touching the underside of the handlebar on application ?
At first I thought the rod linkage had loosened but no, one of my new Fibrax 144 blocks had decided to vanish.

Why...you've probably guessed by now, yes in my eagerness to have the bike ready for the afternoon school run (as well as staring at problems on other bikes), I had fitted both brake blocks/shoes the wrong way round with the open end of the shoe in the position where the closed end should be.

I'm now angry and decided to punish myself by sending dopey me on a "find the brand new Fibrax144 block" mission.

The block could have orbited itself into next week, it could be anywhere on the 3.5 mile route that is a mix of roads, park paths and grass verges etc.
It's amazing how many bits of c**p on the roads automatically change colour to black and reshape themselves into perfect rectangles resembling brake blocks in order to trick you !

Well, a wonderful thing happened...I found it about three miles away from home, I don't know what the betting odds are on finding such a thing, I don't intend making this mistake again !

Steve - Two steps forward, three miles backwards !

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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Dim move of the day ! posted by Chris on 9/17/2008 at 6:19:53 PM
Very happy to hear that you found the missing brake shoe. I would love to see pictures of this bike. Best Wishes!
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†††††††††† RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Dim move of the day ! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/18/2008 at 2:57:17 AM
Well... it would not have been a problem if you had just left the bike in REVERSE GEAR, no? ;-)

Odds? Here's an even more amazing story... Whilst a bunch of us were riding motorbikes across the top of the Shawangunk Ridge in N.Y. State... one of the Harleys (known for vibration and the shedding of parts) threw a tail light lens whilst doing 50mph.

The feller riding "Sweep" (i.e., last in line)... actually spotted it as it flew off.... turned around... retrieved it... while that's fairly amazing... what REALLY was nuts was he actually spotted and retrieved the wee screw that fastened it to the machine in the first place!

His new "Nickname"? EAGLE EYE....

Glad you found the part and moreso glad the consequences were not considerably more dubious.... I know that on my DL-1... not having front brakes... I don't even want to ponder it!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Just STOP in now!
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Dim move of the day ! posted by Matthew on 9/18/2008 at 4:06:43 AM
Hi Steve,

What a good job I had my brake blocks in the right way round when I came through South Benfleet. For those who don't know, I reached an indicated 40mph down hill on my delivery bike recently. Even if the speedo is 20% inaccurate that is still over 30mph! On rod brakes!

Matthew - to destiny and beyond.
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Dim move of the day ! posted by Steve on 9/18/2008 at 4:58:07 AM
Here's the culprit in the flesh !

The beauty of having a collection of bikes is that you get to know how different they all are in handling and feel etc.
This Hercules presents me with a very upright riding position with it's narrow handlebar set-up.

As I'm still a relative novice with old bikes, I'm not quite sure if the chainwheel/cranks etc should be black, the chain itself is of the 3/16th type and is too shiny for my liking...I hope to tone it down somehow.

Steve - Blocks away....!


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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Dim move of the day ! posted by Steve on 9/18/2008 at 5:01:18 AM
Ignore the white peddles, they're just temporary until I locate some real oldies in black.
See readers rides (picture 12) for more details.
Steve
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†††††††††† RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Dim move of the day ! posted by Chris on 9/18/2008 at 5:11:45 PM
thanks for the picture.
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Dim move of the day ! posted by Kevin on 9/19/2008 at 3:54:59 AM
Steve -- What a great old trade bike! Where did you find the basket for it? I'm using a large metal bicycle basket (sans the mounting struts) in my basket frame. It works, but it's not nearly as elegant as yours...
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Dim move of the day ! posted by Kevin on 9/19/2008 at 7:00:56 AM
As for darkening the chain to match the bike ... get it really clean then apply gun bluing, the chemical used on rifle and shotgun barrels. It's very fluid and leaves no buildup.
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Dim move of the day ! posted by Steve on 9/19/2008 at 10:45:03 AM
Kevin - I'm a bit of a sad case really...if I want something (it doesn't matter what), I will study the appropriate topic on Ebay (and elsewhere) until the sun rises if necessary !

Alas, the basket was an Ebay capture, but be very careful with dimensions...it's so easy to get it 90% right but the remaining 10% is intensely irrating if you "screw up" !

I know because...I'VE DONE IT !

Watch out for Christmas Hamper baskets, we usually get one each Christmas from a family member, we enjoy the contents immensely but then the "cherry on the top" is locating which trade bike the basket will fit.
It also helps if you've got half a dozen trade bikes with different sized cradles to choose from !

If you Google "wicker baskets", there's an array of them but be careful of cheap and nasty quality plus postage fees.
Obviously it's best if you can source them locally (jumble sales or shops) and take your cradle/bike with you in order to get a snug fitting.
Failing all of the above, Master Wicker Basket makers do exist...it will cost you, but it will be "done to perfection".

Steve
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†††††††††† RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Dim move of the day ! posted by Chris on 9/19/2008 at 6:06:28 PM
I think this is really cool! We are discussing quality wicker baskets for the old trade bikes! Awesome! Thanks for the post. Yes, the wicker is part of the magic!
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Sturmey Question #2 posted by: KG on 9/17/2008 at 8:05:34 AM
Well the mystery of the mysterious hub is solved. I found a late AW gear hub and took it apart to compare the inards: Nothing fits. Nothing. The thread on the axles only works because there is so much play on the chinese version.

But now I have a separate problem. When I put my AW back together, it will not freewheel if the cones are too tight. Anyone experience this? Too much grease inside? (It is not an oilbath version) Any hints?
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Sturmey Question #2 posted by David on 9/17/2008 at 10:11:12 AM
I think that's it: the cones are too tight. A standard test is whether the pedals rotate when the wheel is turned. There is noticeable play in the bearings when they're adjusted right.
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Sturmey Question #2 posted by Steve on 9/17/2008 at 11:00:11 AM
I must admit that I have had this effect after tightening things up to tight, maybe slacken back a little.

Steve
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AGE / VALUE:†††Pilgrimage to Roadster Mecca posted by: Geoff Rogers on 9/16/2008 at 10:28:01 AM
I returned yesterday from my annual trip to the UK for the Beaulieu Autojumble. In addition to an enormous array of parts for British cars, there is always a good selection of British bikes (motor and pedal). Many of the bikes are really rough things, a mass of rust and thick black paint, but some are pretty nice and a few are really outstanding. I usually buy one or two, and this year was no exception. Among the bikes I did NOT buy were a maroon 1960 Raleigh (now I forget the model—shame on me!) club machine with alloy AM hub and GB brakes, cheap at 40 GBP; a 1950s black Raleigh roadster, nice and clean with saddlebag, pump, etc., for 100; a primered Sunbeam for way too much money; several Moultons, all cheap but mostly repainted crudely and besides, they don’t appeal to me; and assorted Superbes and other similar machines, mostly pretty rough. A great hybrid was a mint, mint, mint 50s Triumph bicycle with a fairly large engine affixed to the middle of the frame. I looked at the rod brakes and shuddered at the thought of coming down a rain-soaked hill on the thing with those rims wet and expecting to make it stop. Yikes! It was beautiful though, dark green and all original, clean and nice and for 475 pounds it seemed not too expensive. One stall had several restored roadsters and a dozen nasty rough black ones, but the guy was busy and I did not wait around to ask the prices. I bought a few headlamps, an FG four-speed hub with Dynohub plus a pair of 26” stainless rims with another FG; some NOS rod-brake levers, a handful of NOS BB cups, a Norman gearcase, a NOS Brooks B5 N saddle and a used Brooks Pro as well, a couple of Lucas bells, and the coolest thing of all, a Dynohub tester in its original box! Why you can’t just spin the wheel and see if the light goes on, I’m not sure, but now I have a meter to tell me it will. I did not buy the same vendor’s FG hub, DBU and lights, all still connected together, because I already had some of those and the hubs are very heavy. Next year maybe. I bought two complete bikes, a 50s 28-inch Raleigh with Dyno-four hub and stainless rims, which were the only parts not rusty, and a very decent original ’56 26-inch Superbe, also with stainless rims, FG Dyno-Four hub, rod brakes, gearcase, original bell and even working Dyno headlight (the taillight doesn’t work). It has a Brooks B83 saddle, a type I have never seen before. It’s very comfortable, with three coil springs but not as big as a B93, I think. The rear Michelin tire was off the rim and the tube was wrapped around the axle. I carefully unwrapped it and stuffed it back in the tire and walked it back to my stall, where I found a pump that worked, and incredibly, both tires held air! It has an original green saddlebag with Sir Walter emblem (the DBU is inside the bag, held in by two little ring clips—odd, but looks original) and even a green pump, also with Sir Walter on it, although that and the bag are both pretty rough. All four gears worked, so I had some fun riding it around the show before I part-dismantled it for shipment home to the US. It will be a nice stablemate for the ’53 cable-brake Superbe I bought there two years ago (although I may have to sell it, as this trip was pretty expensive). The ’53 does not have stainless rims, but otherwise it is very similar. One other difference is that the ’56 is labeled “SUPERBE” on the seat tube while the ’53 does not. I think that is because the DBU is on the seat tube on the ’53 while it’s in the saddlebag on the ’56. I am sad to say I took the 28” machine to bits and left the frame for the vultures, as it was very far gone and lots of stuff was missing. I will ship the wheels and brake stuff home, and some of it will be available for sale or trade.
All told, we had a great time, bought lots of car parts and even sold a few. The bikes are gravy. We’ll be back again, probably next year!
Geoff Rogers, Home again to Massachusetts.
jolly rogersmo at hotmail dot comm

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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Pilgrimage to Roadster Mecca posted by Chris on 9/16/2008 at 6:28:08 PM
Your report soothes my wounds from not being there in person. Interesting reading and I look forward to reading the report from your next visit!
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Pilgrimage to Roadster Mecca posted by Brian on 9/17/2008 at 10:14:13 AM
Your trip sounds like fun. I may have to try it some time. I have been trying to buy a Cyclemaster or BSA Winged Wheel motor wheel from UK but no one wants to ship to US.


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†††††††††† RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Pilgrimage to Roadster Mecca posted by Chris on 9/17/2008 at 6:17:45 PM
I remember Roger Worton of Autocycle spares in the U.K. cited liability issues ( he was afraid of damage from a lawsuit) and many things were not available to U.S. residents.


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†††††††††† RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Pilgrimage to Roadster Mecca posted by Brian on 9/17/2008 at 11:41:53 PM
I never thought about the liability issue. Its a shame that people have to resort to that to protect themselves against other peoples stupidity.
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†††††††††† RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Pilgrimage to Roadster Mecca posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/18/2008 at 3:01:48 AM
If ever a non-linked, no image posted required a "DROOLING TOWEL RECOMMENDED" flag.... this would have been it!

Sounds like a wonderful adventure, sir! Thanks for sharing!

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Vicariously basking in the glory....
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†††††††††† RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Pilgrimage to Roadster Mecca posted by Chris on 9/18/2008 at 5:09:54 PM
there is a picture underneath my post above and that should not be. I don't have a camera in use right now, and I wonder how this occured anyways, it says file not found.
I have not uploaded any pictures on oldroads.com not yet anyways and it will be awhile yet.
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†††††††††† RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Pilgrimage to Roadster Mecca posted by Chris on 9/18/2008 at 5:15:24 PM
I was about to ask the other day, Where are the pictures of the autojumble but then again not many people take pictures of a bike swap meet unless it is of a bike at the bike show where you just won an prize for it. Everybody is too busy buying and shopping and seeing the tables full of goodies to take pictures. By the way, what has me panting after reading your report is the tale of your finding new old stock bottom bracket cups! You know what to look for!

Ohh, Im jealous!!!!
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Sturmey Archer??? Question posted by: KG on 9/15/2008 at 9:46:30 PM
I qas hoping that you could help me with a sturmey gear hub question. I also hope you enjoy a challenge, because it is certainly challenging me!

1. First, I am an American living in China.
2. There are a surprising number of old Raleighs, Humbers, and other British roadsters here and of course, the domestically made Flying Pigeons and Forevers can interchange many parts. So it is not unusual to see some wearing SA gear hubs.
3. I have acquired a hub which looks like a Sturmey Drum 3 speed combo or at least a copy of one. Clearly, it was not working...at least not the gear box side.
4. I disassembled it to find, much to my consternation the internals are not like the AW hub I am familiar with.

a. There is no hollow axle.Instead, the current axle is a curious piece which looks to be a two part axle. At first I thought this was a a "Fix" put in by a former owner so at least they had the benefit of the drums even if the gears didn't work. But now I think it is Original equipment because

b. The right side cone is also GEARED and turns the planetary gears. So the right side cone is the SUN Gear. it threads onto the axle, but I still have no idea how a gear change would be effected.

c. There are actually TWO rows of pawls, but no spring (no hollow axle)

d. Overall the internals are somewhat smaller than an AW, so it would seem that not much interchanges However the axles threads match up.

e. Unlike an AW where the "ratchet" section is part of the case, the gearset instead has the ratchet as part of the shroud which inserts into the case.

f. It's all free ball bearings. No races.

So here are my questions:

1. Does this arrangement match any Sturmey or Shimano gear hub you know of?

2. If so which one?

3.Anyone know of a source of bearings so I can get rid of these free rollers?

-Thanks in advance.

KG

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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Sturmey Archer??? Question posted by Matthew on 9/16/2008 at 1:17:56 AM
Hi KG,

I am sure some one here will no the answer but in the meantime look at the excellent site for SA hubs run by Tony Hadland. A search in his name will take you there as a search for Sheldon Brown will take you to a site that I can guarantee most useful.

Matthew - knowing where to look
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†††††††††† RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Sturmey Archer??? Question posted by Warren on 9/16/2008 at 5:14:55 PM
2 sets of pawls suggests that maybe it's one of the 5 speed hubs from the late 60's?
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†††††††††† RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:†††Sturmey Archer??? Question posted by KG on 9/16/2008 at 7:23:25 PM
Actually, after considering some exploeded diagrams online I think it is a copy of an AB hub with some key differences:

1. The sun gear is attached to the right side cone. It is also threaded so it looks like the hollow axle would go through it. But unlike the Sturmey set up, the axle could not have the Sun gear. Does anyone know if such an axle is made? It would match the exterior dimensions and pitch of a normal sturmey axle.

2. The driver is attached to the planet gears and is a one piece unit. At least these parts are so inseperable I cannot tell the difference.

I have added pictures here:


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†††††††††† RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Sturmey Archer??? Question posted by Warren on 9/17/2008 at 4:08:42 PM
How about those spoke holes!
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AGE / VALUE:†††Theory as to why W.W. 2 Sturmey- Archer hubs have no date posted by: Chris on 9/15/2008 at 6:53:12 PM
I am reading a book on Raleigh and it mentions that Sturmey- Archer and Raleigh were very deeply involved in war time contracts and that they used up a back stash supply of 3 speed hubs because at one point, the Sturmey Archer production as well as dynohub and lamp production was halted to free up personel and resources to make shells, bofors, cartridge cases and gun parts. As you know when you find a sturmey Archer 3 speed hub and it just say's "a.w. patent" on it, it is a war time hub.
I think this may be one reason why the war time 3 speed hubs do not have a date on them at all. the pre- war hubs had a date code and the post war hubs are clearly stamped (example) 7- 54 but the war time hubs just have the type ( a.w.) and the words "patent" so in there from 1939- 1946 there are no dates stamped on the hubs. I have been reading and comparing the book to other sources and it dawned on me that this may be why there are no dates on the hubs, related to the war effort somehow.
Perhaps I am off or wrong. I don't remember reading an answer on this before.
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Theory as to why W.W. 2 Sturmey- Archer hubs have no date posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/16/2008 at 7:19:07 AM
Sounds quite plausible Chris. What's amazing is that any bicycles were produced during wartime at all. You simply cannot buy a wartime automobile mfg'd here in the states... quite simply because none were.

It was sheer industrial might, plentiful resources and indefatigable determination that won the war.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - wonders... could we do it again?
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Theory as to why W.W. 2 Sturmey- Archer hubs have no date posted by Geoff Rogers on 9/16/2008 at 10:27:54 AM
Some wartime hubs did have dates, but only the second digit of the year, as in prewar practice. I have two AWs with a "0" stamp, although it's not under the logo as in later hubs with month and two-digit year stamp. It is inside the logo, faint and hard to find.
Geoff Rogers
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE: Theory as to why W.W. 2 Sturmey- Archer hubs have no date posted by sam on 9/18/2008 at 3:01:22 PM
I have an early "K" hub stamped "A"(not a date on it)
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WANTED:†††Enclosed chainguard hardware posted by: Brooks on 9/15/2008 at 5:26:15 PM
Hello - I am looking for three (3) screws and the outside, rear mounting clamp to purchase to complete a Humber project. Also, the front pie cover. Many thanks!

Brooks

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AGE / VALUE:†††Nice... and expensive. posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/15/2008 at 2:49:21 AM
Ebay item: 310083756055

An exceptional example of a later model Sports... and I fully understand and appreciate "provenence"... what this has bid up to astounds me.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - photoshopping olde paperwork.....
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Nice... and expensive. posted by David on 9/15/2008 at 8:27:54 AM
It's certainly better than average, but on close inspection of the photos, it's not the extremely low mileage specimen its seller suggests that it is. There is plenty of evidence of use; even the usual accidents like the squashed tail of the rear fender. Prices of these seem to be increasing, however.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Paint matching posted by: Brian on 9/14/2008 at 5:32:01 PM
I'm trying to find paint that is readily available in the US to touch up the rear fender of my 59 Sports. The black fender stays and the white dart have chipped from stones, and I am trying to find a paint brand that is similar in color and gloss.
Has anyone had any luck with certain brands?
Thanks
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AGE / VALUE:†††Phillips Original Bike posted by: Andy Nowka on 9/13/2008 at 7:12:40 PM
I purchased an old Phillips girls bicycle today and would like to find out more about it. It has rod style brakes, single gear, nice chrome, original paint and original phillips seat and cool old bike lock on the rear wheel. It also came with a phillips lapel pin and wrench in the tool bag. Can anyone help identify the age and value of this old bike? Here are a couple of pics: http://picasaweb.google.com/andynowka/PhillipsBike#
Please let me know if you need pictures of anything else.


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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Phillips Original Bike posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/14/2008 at 4:47:32 AM
Very nice find, sir. I would look around on the frame for a serial number and possibly check the charts here for an idea of age. If it were a 3-speed it would be easier alas, being a single, I'm afraid that's all you can do.

Certainly an original phillips and the lapel pin is absolutely icing on the cake.

Presumably the word "PHILLIPS" is stamped in profile in the chainwheel and I'm going to venture a guess that the wheels / tyres are 28" x 1 1/2

Having the "Hockey Stick" chainguard pretty much identifies it as having been made specifically for import to the US after a certain year.... I forget exactly when but there were weight based tariffs put in place...

The colour is quite non-typical for a 28" wheel machine as well.

If I were to venture a guess... and not being able to see if the "tail" of the rear mudguard is overpainted white, I would say late 1960's, early 70's.

Based on what appears to be outstanding condition of the chrome... perhaps even early 1960's.... pre Raleigh? Maybe.

Either way... a VERY nice find, indeed!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone


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†††††††††† RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Phillips Original Bike posted by Chris on 9/14/2008 at 6:54:44 PM
Oh, those wide handlebars! Nice find! Pre Phillips merger with Tube Investments/ Raleigh. Real Phillips!
lovely colour.


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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE: Phillips Original Bike posted by Andy Nowka on 9/14/2008 at 9:07:25 PM
Larry,
Thanks for the information and feedback about my bike. I've added 5-6 new pictures of the bike that confirm your assumptions of a 28 x 1 1/2 wheels, "Phillips" stamped in chainwheel, White paint on rear fender and found the serial number which is "8849 KR". I could not find anything on this site that will help me confirm the age of this bike. Can you take one more look and another age estimate?

Chris, Thanks for the compliments.

-Andy
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†††††††††† RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Phillips Original Bike posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/15/2008 at 2:58:14 AM
Ah well, pursuant to Chris's observation as to being pre-merger... I'm sure that the year of the merger is listed here somewhere... but then ballpark changed to 1960 or earlier.

Older style handlebars could make it even earlier than that. What's remarkable is the colour and the condition. I see pretty clean box pinstripes, delighfully colourful transfers, period correct rack and bell.

What is a mystery... is the hole in the front mudguard... that would appear to be an affixing point for something. Perhaps an "hood ornament" of sorts... or mayhap for an english style front licence plate.

As to it's exact year of manufacture... hard to say. Check things like the hubs, etc. There MAY be date codes on them.

Either way, you have a wonderful machine there.

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - powder blue.... wow....
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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE: Phillips Original Bike posted by Matthew on 9/15/2008 at 8:58:47 AM
Hi Andy,

This looks very much like a pre-WW2 model and an extremely attractive, well kept and therefore valuable example. You are a very fortunate chap to have come across such a beauty. Well Done.

Matthew - pleasantly suprised
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†††††††††† RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Phillips Original Bike posted by Chris on 9/15/2008 at 2:13:01 PM
Yes, they had front fender ornaments- it would have been the Phillips lion in this case.
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†††††††††† RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Phillips Original Bike posted by Warren on 9/15/2008 at 3:02:17 PM
I don't know about it being too old. The wire mudguard stays, colour and hockey stick chainguard make it look 50's/60's to me. Sweet just the same.
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†††††††††† RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Phillips Original Bike posted by Warren on 9/15/2008 at 3:03:52 PM
and that fork crown looks very much like the post 58 Dunelt version.
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†††††††††† RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Phillips Original Bike posted by Chris on 9/15/2008 at 6:52:57 PM
James Boustridge was given a seat on the board of the Raleigh company at the time of the merger. Phillips was closed shortly after the merger.

I will study the pictures again, glad to hear he added more pix for us.
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†††††††††† RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Phillips Original Bike posted by Chris on 9/15/2008 at 7:24:09 PM
Well, it's so lovely I would have it in the living room were it can be admired and kept out of the elements. Too good for the shed! Lovely well kept example. Does the badge say Birmingham or Nottingham on it? I still think this came off of the original Phillips factory line before they moved Phillips production to Nottingham. Did any rod brake Phillips bikes come out of Nottingham? All the Phillips bikes I have seen from Nottingham are cable brake bikes. Oh, by the way that downtube decal is a work of magic. Very nice find! I raise my glass to you!

It's a beautiful thing! Get it ridable and take a nice lady, somebody whom you love and take her out riding with her on this bike and you on one of your favorite bikes and go riding in the evening hours.

I don't remember seeing a ladies Phillips bikes this nice in a while. I do know from examination of Phillips catalogs that Phillips made beautiful bikes! This rod brake linkage piece on the front of this bike reminds my of the quality Raleigh rod brake linkage it looks exact to Raleigh as does the rear fender.
However, by the merger time, the colors were all the same the individuality was being phased out. This has that marvelous color not seen on the Raleigh's. Still think it is pre- merger. No matter, it's a fine bicycle.
28 inch wheel? yes it is. It's a rare treat. I have never ran across one of these personally.

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†††††††††† RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Phillips Original Bike posted by Andy Nowka on 9/15/2008 at 9:39:51 PM
Chris,
Yes the bike has BIRMINGHAM not Nottingham on the decals.
I've added a few additional photos again, one of the seat, one of the bell, one of the pedal and a few other decal shots as well.
Thanks again for all of your help with the bike.
-Andy
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†††††††††† RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Phillips Original Bike posted by Chris on 9/16/2008 at 6:31:08 PM
Phillips was Huge , they had 3 factories humming along until the Merger in 1960. beautiful bike, thanks for the additional pictures.
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†††††††††† RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:†††Phillips Original Bike posted by Chris on 9/18/2008 at 5:19:19 PM
I saw new, old stock, still in the original box, Phillips roller skates on e- bay a while back.
Roller skates in the red and white Phillips box.
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