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MISC:   Test posted by: Vin on 2/16/2005 at 2:34:55 AM
Yes this part of our site has been down for 2 weeks.
Yes we've had to revert back to a copy from September 2004.
Yes we still have the missing 5 months of discussions but we need to figure out how to merge them back in.
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          RE:MISC: Test posted by Stacey on 2/21/2005 at 10:42:53 PM
"Oy"? Gee, Vin's a Stephen King fan,eh? Good on ya mate!

          RE:RE:MISC: Test posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 2/22/2005 at 10:16:25 AM
Good call Stacey... I missed that connction... Oi!



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AGE / VALUE:   Giant Stiletto "Leg-Over" report posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/14/2004 at 11:52:16 PM
Stopped at an LBS in Byram, NJ... I was unaware they were in fact a Giant Dealer.... and they had no less than 3 Stilettos in stock. One of each colour. Red, Matte Black and the Black and Chrome. The Red was sold.

Well... doggone, I get on the cellphone to the dealer in Goshen that's ordered mine... fortunately, they had checked on it and it had shipped and will be in for the weekend.

Anyhow, I just hadda have me an up-close looksee and my impressions are as follows: Seating position is LOW! Not quite the full leg extension on the pedals, but I'm sure enough to not prove problematic. The reach to the drag bar style handlebars is perfect... at least for me. Fit and finish is pretty darn good too. Tried to roll it with the disc brake engaged and lemme tellya... that brake is VERY effective. Interestingly enough, there is a provision on the front fork for the mounting of a front disc as well.

Each colour bike has it's own seat style as well. The Red has like a velvet-velour saddle whilst the black has a stiched flame pattern. I don't recall the black and chrome as that one was just getting finished up on the assembly behind the counter.

The jackshaft, chains and gearing are all of very high quality. The forward chain tension is adjusted via an eccentric bottom bracket arrangement much akin to the type used on tandems. Interesting is that there is a protuberance opposite the double sprockets on the jackshaft that does turn and from the looks of it, there may be accesories in the future that will be driven off that shaft. Cool! The rear reflector mounts to the back surface of the seat. I see that disappering off mine as soon as I get it home. The front reflector actually mounts via a wee bracket to TAPPED HOLES in the bottom of the lower triple tree mount. THAT will make for an easy adaptation of an headlight for sure.

Neat differences between the colours would be trimmings. Chrome bars as opposed to matte black, that sort of thing. The bike had a VERY solid feel sitting on it... and that leads to what might be a bit of a surprise... I picked it up and by no means is this a lightweight machine.

Anyhow... that is my impression of the machine. Very much psyched to get mine and actually take it for a spin. As low to the ground as I felt, I'm thinking it will handle very well.

Stay tuned.... ;-)



          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Giant Stiletto posted by ziggy on 2/16/2005 at 2:32:27 AM
Why was this message reposted larry? You already told us about the test ride!! : 0

          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Giant Stiletto posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 2/20/2005 at 12:03:47 PM
Greetings Ziggy! By now, I'm sure you've seen Vin's note up top... this board has been down for a couple of weeks now and they're in the "recovery" mode. Alas... there's like 5 months worth to be recovered and they've had to revert all the way back to September.

OUCH! ;-)



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MISC:   R.I.P. posted by: ziggy on 9/14/2004 at 9:01:08 PM
Rest in peace Indian Larry.

          RE:MISC: R.I.P. posted by Rif on 9/15/2004 at 1:05:23 AM
You can't be serious.
I am so bummed now.


          RE:MISC:   R.I.P. posted by mike on 2/20/2005 at 7:53:16 PM
i cant believe that no body knew about his death until the biker build off episode. ive know about it since early september


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MISC:   Finally! posted by: ziggy on 9/13/2004 at 12:21:56 AM
I have just begun laying paint on Lucifer. It is looking pretty good so far. Hopefully the pics of it I send will be in the next bikerodnkustom. I want everyone to see it as well as tell me what you think of it whether in your mind if it's good or bad. >: )

          RE:MISC:   Finally! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/13/2004 at 9:43:18 AM
Good man! Yes... best to wait for less humid conditions. ESPECIALLY if you're into the clearcoating stage. High humidity can cause paint to "blush" and that.... would just plain $uck!

Look forward to seeing the finished machine!



          RE:RE:MISC:   Finally! posted by ziggy on 9/13/2004 at 8:39:24 PM
Well there seems to be a pretty good high pressure mass over my area. That means no humidity. Besides I won't be using clearcoat. Blushed paint won't be a problem. >: )

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AGE / VALUE:   Rat Fink posted by: sam on 9/12/2004 at 5:53:36 PM
I don't know the seller or anything,but on ebay someone has rat fink seats and grips.They looked cool but I think they would have been better with the Pic. of the Rat on the seat instead of just the name.--sam

          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rat Fink posted by JimW. on 9/13/2004 at 5:19:07 AM
That's a surprise. Do they have a picture of the character anywhere on the bike? We had a photo of the bike in BRK a while back, and I don't remember noticing whether it was there or not. I just assumed it would be on there somewhere. Maybe if they don't use the character, they don't have to pay the Roth estate anything? The term "rat fink" was definitely in common use long before Roth created that character.

          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rat Fink posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/13/2004 at 9:35:35 AM
The sellor of the seats and grips is in Scotia, NY as I recall. I've pondered procuring a seat and a set of grips to have in "pristine" condition should I ever choose to sell my R.F.

As to the "Rat" himself being on the bike, yes, there is a full color graphic of him on the chainguard... AND... he is also lazer etched into the chainwheel.

As to the term, yes, in use for a while. Additionally, I have in my possession an original 12" vinyl record of songs by Allen Sherman. Inclusive of "Hello Muddah, Hello Fadduh"... and.... "R-A-T-T F-I-N-K" as well.



          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rat Fink posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/13/2004 at 9:41:21 AM
One more thing... if anyone is pondering procuring the grips, note that the R.F. is a 3-speed bicycle with a twist-grip shifter. Hence, the RH grip is considerably SHORTER than the left.



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CUSTOMS:   New Custom Forum... posted by: Widowmaker502 on 9/10/2004 at 9:06:44 PM
I have turned the now defunct motobikes forum into the Custom Bicycle Forum.

This forum is created to talk about all custom bikes including cruisers, choppers, limos, lowriders, muscle bikes and more. We hope that you stop over and sign up (its totally free) and join in on the discussions!




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AGE / VALUE:   It won't work posted by: ziggy on 9/8/2004 at 10:35:57 PM
Well I found out the hard way that a multi speed spoke protector will not work on a single speed wheel. I tried to fit a Schwinn lookalike (original) spoke protector on a single speed coaster wheel. The inside diameter of the spoke protector is too small to fit on the little spacer between the coaster lever and the hub. Of course I almost really messed up the wheel via disassembly. Sure I could use the ol dremel tool with a grinder bit to open up the hole, but I would rather not modify an original piece. Bottom line, a spoke protector will not fit on a single speed wheel without modification. >: )

          RE:AGE / VALUE:   It won't work posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/8/2004 at 11:42:11 PM
Hmmm... well, you gave it a shot man! And now you... as well of the rest of us, can benefit from the experience.

Bummer though... ya can never have enough CHROME on a chopper.

Thanks fer the update!



          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   It won't work posted by JimW. on 9/9/2004 at 4:39:12 AM
I always wanted to stick one of those on there, too. For the same reason. Thanks for the finding, Ziggy. I think I'd just take the Dremel to it, though. It's not like bike parts are sacred relics, or anything, even Schwinn ones.

          RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   It won't work posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/9/2004 at 1:12:05 PM
Good point Jim. But I can imagine Ziggy gettin' a bit frustrated with it and as I'm sure we all know, when frustrated, it's sometimes best to walk away and ponder fer a while.

Perhaps after such ponderance, Zig will re-visit the issue and make the installation. Perhaps not.

Another thought would be to get a newer "plastic" unit, file to fit then shoot it with silver, followed by a good heavy clearcoat prior to installation.

Just thoughts and meanderings. Been raining here like a bear for two days... gettin' a little stir-crazy. ;-)



          RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   It won't work posted by ziggy on 9/10/2004 at 7:55:16 PM
Well If it is an original condition part, I'm not going to modify it unless it was my last resort. Thankfully the wheel still functions correctly. On this wheel instead of rubber pads, there are two metal plates. (?) Just wanted to tell you guys. >: )

          RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   It won't work posted by Mike on 9/12/2004 at 11:27:45 AM
More than one way to skin a cat, just take a grinder and
shave the sprocket until it narrow enough at base to make
room for the spoke protector. Mike

          RE:AGE / VALUE:   It won't work posted by sam on 9/12/2004 at 5:53:08 PM
I agree that a spoke protector will not fit a coaster.The sprocket on a coaster is connected solid to a screw part.The screw makes the brack expand--bottom line is: this part moves unlike a free wheel which would hold the protector tite.Even if reemed out to fit the protector would be loose on a coaster---and loose an't good!A single speed freewheel hub might work O.K.,but then again you would need brakes---sam

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CUSTOMS:   New BikeRod&Kustom posted by: JimW.. on 9/6/2004 at 1:44:57 AM
It's ready for visitors.

          RE:CUSTOMS:   New BikeRod&Kustom posted by AviationMetalSmith on 9/7/2004 at 2:43:47 PM
WOW! I never expected to see so much fiberglass.
I must concede that this issue's "Nose Job" feature article shows that I've been out-done. Putting a fiberglass nose on a bike is quite a complicated project as the photo's show. 2much has a nose based on a 1934 Ford.
People love this form of automotive art, as I learned when my Daughter put a '38 Chevy grill on her bike, and a few years later when DaimlerChrysler put the PT Cruiser on the market. Keep up the good work!

          RE:CUSTOMS:   New BikeRod&Kustom posted by metlhed on 9/7/2004 at 8:47:04 PM
it looks better everytime jim! you thinkt the west coast choppers bike looked lame?? i think it was a lot better than the new stingray, at least they didnt just slap some stickers on it and say jesse helped design it. looks great, whens the next one gonna be up :)

          RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   New BikeRod&Kustom posted by JimW. on 9/8/2004 at 5:44:06 AM
Thanks guys, glad you liked it.

I'm not in the market for a kiddy bike, as I'm a grown man who almost broke his neck on a test run of a kiddy drag racing chopper bike a few months ago. And that was a 24" bike.

That said, I prefer the frame geometry of the Schwinn. I don't think Jesse had anything to do with the Huffy's basic design, any more than the Tuttle's had on the Schwinn's, or Barbie has on the bike with her name on it. But, whoever actually designed the Schwinn did a better job of it. My "lame" comment wasn't to do with the detailing, but was purely about the lines of the bike. I just think that if you take an extended-style fork and give it almost zero rake, it looks "orthopedic". And no, I didn't expect those bullets to be real, any more than I expected those rhinestones on Aaron B's Hello Kitty bike to be real diamonds, either. I'm just a wise-ass, looking for trouble and usually finding it.

BR&K comes out three times a year, and it's only been up two days. So don't expect a new issue anytime soon. But when the new issue does go up it'll be on the theme of motor bikes, with real motors.

          RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   New BikeRod&Kustom posted by ziggy on 9/8/2004 at 1:25:56 PM
Actually it is spelled "teutel". >: )

          RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   New BikeRod&Kustom posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/9/2004 at 1:26:15 PM
Yeah... Teutle... but they pronounce it "Tuttle". Go figure. Hey... I aint gonna argue with 'em about it! ;-)

Latest issue is great Jim. Nicely done! The forthcoming "motor bike" issue should be interesting. I'm presuming that it will be featuring motorized bicycles and not necessarily motorcycles.

There are some very interesting and pretty doggone nice packages available now for motorizing bicycles. Additionally, there seems to be a plethora of these "pocket bikes" popping up all over the place too.

What chagrins me to no end is to see wee kiddies flying around the neighborhood on them with seemingly reckless abandon. They are capable of serious speed!!!! And to ride such a "bike" without a helmet to me is inviting trouble. Heck... inviting potential disaster even...

As a motorcyclist, I am very much of a "safety mind". i.e., risk minimization. I have in the past taken Motorcycle Safety Foundation courses, etc. And even after having been a rider for many years, still learned a LOT. Some of the skills have even probably saved my sad, sorry arse.

Perhaps the safety issues can be touched on in the forthcoming issue. You can walk into your local Auto Zone and buy these things pretty doggone cheap actually. The pocket bikes and the motorized scooters both. And I'm wondering if the low price leads parents, etc. to think of them as "harmless toys". NOT the case, I assure you.

I forget the exact percentage (but it's UP there)... but a goodly percantage of motorcyle fatalities occur a 35mph.

Anyhow... lemme get offa the soap box here.



          RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   New BikeRod&Kustom posted by JimW. on 9/11/2004 at 1:53:35 AM
Teutel, Tuttle, whatever. Paul Sr. is still a jerk, unless that's just the scriptwriter's work. Like that show is "reality" anyway. If that show was bsed on reality, they'd have figured out how to schedule projects by this time.

Our motorbikes have pedals on them. Just like Harley and Davidson originally meant them to. As for safety, I doubt we'll get into that; We ain't Consumer Reports. And we really aren't concerned with pocket rockets, power scooters and all the rest of those yuppy puppy toys. Plenty of other media outlets, both print and web, cover that sort of stupid crap, as in Popular Mechanics' current issue. BR&K was created to cover what nobody else covers, and we're still at it. Where else are you going to find a serious interview with a guy who rides a rocket-propelled bicycle? I read that one again last night, and it was still really interesting.

BTW, Glen May, the subject of that interview, went on to be part of the team responsible for Burt Rutan's successful Spaceship 1 private spacecraft's propulsion system, based on the same concept as the one on the bike.

          RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   New BikeRod&Kustom posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/11/2004 at 3:27:58 AM
Hmm... point well taken one he "safety reporting". Yuppy Puppy toys... Ya got me on that one. :-D Well said!

Was not Burt Rutan part of the team that flew 'round the world nonstop in that far-out canard aircraft? Gotta say.. .there aint too many "pioneers" in the aviation field these days... He sure is one of them!

As to OCC and "American Chopper"... two things drive TV. Money... and Ratings. I for one simply cannot abide "reality" TV. Reality is outside my front door... not on the idiot box. Gad... they were shooting this season's "Apprentice" at my place of employ. I hadda get out of my work area as I simply did not want to be... a mere "prop". I mean... I was told to sit at my workstation, not turn around and do NOT say ANYTHING!!!!



          RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   New BikeRod&Kustom posted by JimW. on 9/11/2004 at 5:36:24 AM
Yes, that's the same Burt Rutan. He's an amazing guy. He practically re-invented aviation technology with his composite aircraft construction techniques; which I use on my bikes BTW. He also re-introduced canards, those little forward wings on modern aircraft, which hadn't been used since the Wright Bros, practically. And he pretty much designs all his aircraft and spacecraft the same way guys like us design bicycles- by the seat of the pants. Sharp guy.

I'm the same way about "reality shows"; they make my skin crawl. A couple of my old friends have that Mythbusters show. Jamie and Adam are both really intelligent guys, and fairly normal for my circle of creative-type friends. When I finally got around to watching their show, I had to turn the TV off, I was so embarrassed for them. They had to act like a couple of loons. And of course there was the usual hyped-up suspense involved, too. At least they aren't required to have a blonde bimbo involved, like that show where they steal people's cars and kustomize them, and on Junkyard Wars.

Like we say on BR&K: we don't require a bimbo in a bikini to make bike photos sexy- bikes ARE sexy. Same goes for all those techno shows. Thats why we call specs "technorotica".

          RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   New BikeRod&Kustom posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/11/2004 at 1:16:32 PM
Oh my... yeah, everyone at work was raving about "Mythbusters" so I, like a fool, tune in.

They were "busting" the myth about micturating on the "third rail" of a railroad and getting electrocuted.

Sorry... but IMHO, absurdity, even when well practiced... is NOT an art.



          RE:CUSTOMS: New BikeRod&Kustom posted by Rif on 9/11/2004 at 5:29:51 PM
Excellent as always Jim. Lots of great bike features, event reports, and how to's.
I love your 'zine. As I've said a million times BR&K is directly responsible for the boom in Kustom bikes, and has alos taken the homebuilding aspect to a whole new level of craftsmanship.
On the subject of the do it yerself pages-
Have you considered running a "how-to" article on building a frame jig?
I'm working on one, with some helpful hints from fellow enthusiasts and internet pages. I just thought your readership might find it interesting and informative...

I hope the next issue's article on the China motor kits gives all the tech tricks to help cure all the 'out-of-the-box' failings of these kits.
Also as always I enjoy reading the editorial page (Mr. Cranky... )
Well, keep up the great work.


          RE:RE:CUSTOMS: New BikeRod&Kustom posted by JimW. on 9/12/2004 at 2:01:58 AM
The interview does cover the engines with out-of-the box problems. The same basic engine design is made by different Chinese factories. The cheapest ones on eBay have some intrinsic flaws, which is why they're cheaper. There is a huge difference between the bad engines ("weak puppies") and the good ones, mostly due to superior quality control. I originally thought this influx of engines was going to be the start of a new golden age of cheap motorbiking. Unfortunately the good engine kits cost as much as most of the prior ones. As usual: TANSTAAFL.

          Teutel and Texas posted by Natt David Batey on 2/27/2005 at 12:18:53 AM
Dear Jim, Just wondering if you ever lived in Texas (Denison/Sherman). If you are the one, you saved my son's life. He chopped his toe in a lawn mower and you rushed him to the hospital. My son Eric is now 47 years old and is 6'7" tall, a big guy. He is a financial advisor and doing great. Me, I worked for the railroad and now have a roofing company. I sure wish that was you. Any way, many thanks, we really enjoy your show. I have this old Honda I bought and will try to make it run (83' shadow 500).
Sincerely, Natt David Batey

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AGE / VALUE:   Huffy production "chopper" posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/5/2004 at 1:54:43 PM
Whilst bumbling around the net... came across this and thought is womewhat interesting. Obviously produced to compete with the Schwinn "Stingray"....


I'm sure it's too small for adults...



          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Huffy production posted by metlhed on 9/5/2004 at 4:43:51 PM
i dont like it at all, but i think if the little black rubber "shock" covers were actually on the fork legs instead of the headtube part of the fork, it would look more like a suspension fork. lol. thought i would point out that little detail.

          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Huffy production posted by ziggy on 9/5/2004 at 8:28:34 PM
I've seen that thing before. Way too small for adults, and could use some better thought out planning. >: )

          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Huffy production posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/5/2004 at 10:26:05 PM
Yeah... a minor detail... "window dressing" suspension. It's quite the rage, eh?

Another thing upon further perusal... It would appear there is no seat height adjustment at all. Don't even know if there's a seat tube in there.. but if there is, you would have to change out the rear seat support to gain any altitude.

I don't know how long that bike has been on the market, but it smacks of a rush job to get it out there.

Still... interesting.



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MISC:   Jig question and ... posted by: Rif on 9/2/2004 at 2:28:27 AM
Hey All,
Over the weekend I scored a few things and had some fun.
On saturday I went out to a small town next to the small town I grew up in.
There is a rather eccentric fellow out there who recycles bikes of all sorts and types. Sometimes he wears a paper bag as a hat; I really admire people with unique qualities like this...!
I check in occasionally when I am out that way. This time before my car had stopped I knew that the ol' Western Flyer sitting there would be mine!
I knew it from the dropouts as I rolled past.
$20.00 later this 26" cantilever middleweight was loaded into my Plymouth Horizon (hatchback econo-box) and on it's way to the storage barn/shop at my folks place.
After driving my Dad's new tractor around a bit the time to go had come.
A good fiend of mine lives not too far from there so I stopped by his place to say hello.
He gave me a 12 ton hydraulic pipe and tubing bender (Harbor freight unit) with all the dies!
Tonight after work I made a trueing stand from an old fork, a piece of plate steel, some rectangle bar stock, and one of my old dial indicators.
Sorry for rambling on but I just had to express myself to anyone who might give a damn...
My big question is this:
Anybody ever made a frame jig? Got any "hip-tips" for me? My fiend Jacob and I are to begin experimenting with the hydraulic bender this coming weekend and hope to work up to building a frame (in the very near future) for his old 1960's 3H.P. Briggs & Stratton horizontal shaft engine. The other components will come from my pile of parts hondas (street and trail 90cc bikes) and my bicycle parts piles.
So, as you can see, I need to construct a frame jig...
Can any of ya' help me out here?
Thank you (very much!)in advance,

          RE:MISC:   Jig question and ... posted by ziggy on 9/2/2004 at 3:17:14 PM
First of all you're one lucky son of a bi*ch. A tubing bender that's actually built like a tank. In order to make a frame jig, first you must plan it out. (duh) A large piece of plate can be used as a base. Then weld a piece of tubing to the frontend. The base of the tube must be cut at the correct angle to determine the rake you want. The tube will slant towards the rear of the jig to hold the headtube at the correct rake. Also make sure it is the correct length so you can decide how high you want the headtube to be. Once this piece is done, mount the headtube on it. Every part of the frame works off of the neck. Once you have this done, you can basically plan out and mount plates and tubing where you wan't on the base to construct the rest of the jig. Be sure to use vise grips to hold the pieces in place. Remmember be extremely careful not to create excessive weld heat while making the jig. If the pieces of tubing on the jig distort even by a little bit, You have to start all over. It must be straight. Hope this helps you out. Good luck. >: )

          RE:MISC:   Jig question and ... posted by sam on 9/2/2004 at 11:44:33 PM
Rif,your going to have to do some on-line searches ---I've seen home built frame jigs but don't have the link.And look up bike tools suppliers too---I hit on one that showed close-up of their $10,000 gigs!There's a lot of info on the web on this---sam

          RE:RE:MISC: Jig question and ... posted by Rif on 9/3/2004 at 12:49:16 AM
Hey thanks a million guys!
This gives me a direction to go in.
I'll let y'all know how it goes as it progresses.
Again, my many thanks!!!

          RE:RE:RE:MISC: Jig question and ... posted by ziggy on 9/3/2004 at 1:48:35 AM
No problem dude. >: )

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MISC:   coors bike posted by: ziggy on 9/1/2004 at 1:32:33 AM
Hey has anyone heard of the coors original chopper made by West Coast Choppers being given away in a contest? It's pretty cool looking. Five lucky dudes get to go to the WCC shop and meet Jesse James. Then there will be a "weld off" contest. The winner rides away on the new bike. I'm bummed. Only because you have to be at least 21 to enter. I am only 16. : ( If you want to enter, go to www.coorsoriginal.com and register to win. Of course I could lie about my age, but I think it is obvious that I am not 21. May the best welder win. >: )

          RE:MISC:   coors bike posted by metlhed on 9/1/2004 at 7:24:15 PM
i've heard of that too. i wish i was old enought o enter too....i'm not a very bad welder, but i'm only 16 too.

          RE:RE:MISC:   coors bike posted by ziggy on 9/1/2004 at 7:33:22 PM
I think of myself to be a pretty good welder, except I have a hard time TIG welding mild and stainless steel. But I can TIG weld alluminum easily. I am good at the other welding methods too. But then again, 16 is too young. Damn. >: )

          RE:RE:RE:MISC:   coors bike posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/3/2004 at 9:38:48 AM
Just a note to the younger fella... Do what you can to retain your passion for bicycles once you get your driver licenses. I know that sounds a bit odd... but a lot of us had forsaken our velocipedes once rolling on four wheels.

And in my case, after many years... once you re-ignite the bicycle passion... well, you become quite chagrined to find out that you've most certainly "lost your legs". And at 40+ years old it is a BUGGER gettin' 'em back!

As to the weld-off... Interesting concept. I was at the Chatterbox last night eyeballing an OCC Chopper that is being raffled off. I didn't buy a ticket and not to pick apart anyone work but myself and a buddy both made the same observation about this particular ride. i.e. "Why didn't they dress the welds on the frame?"



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CUSTOMS:   new custom frame posted by: metlhed on 8/31/2004 at 7:51:42 PM
whew...what a busy summer it has been. since completeing the pink mini-chopper in my last post, i have started a new project, a lowered radio flyer wagon, and once i have finished this, i plan on building my own custom frame, with a custom triple tree fork. :) it pays to have access to a machine shop. i decided to run down to my basement and take some photos for all of you. this site cant be ALL talk. oh yeah, i also put a new 4 foot sissy bar on my red bike. there are captions to let you know whats what.


          RE:CUSTOMS:   new custom frame posted by ziggy on 9/1/2004 at 7:41:31 PM
I don't know if that sissy bar is tall enough. That frame sketch looks cool. It looks a lot like that frames produced by Bourget's bike works. (a cool chopper company) It's a softail frame right? Good luck building it. When you finish it send some pics to Bourget's bike works. >: )

          RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   new custom frame posted by metlhed on 9/1/2004 at 9:29:32 PM
ha! the sissbar was as big as i could find....i want to get a six foot, but nobody makes a repro one. Yeah i've seen a few of bourgets bikes...i like them, but mine wont have that much tubing. i thouht about making it a softail, but that would require re-working the frame, so i made it a rubber mount, like a harley sportster.

          RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   new custom frame posted by ziggy on 9/2/2004 at 2:07:36 AM
Rubber mount? For what? Are you putting a motor in it? Maybe you have designed an ingenious rubber shock absorbing system. Sounds cool. >: )

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MISC:   project bikes posted by: ziggy on 8/30/2004 at 1:14:54 AM
Have you ever visioned a project bike with all kinds of stuff on it ( sissy bar, tank, etc ) ? Have you ever built the bike to where it is of a rideable state where all that's left is detail pieces? Have you ever felt like finishing the bike and making those detail pieces later? Well that's how I feel with my bike. I just wan't to get it done and do the details later. I wan't to have a painted bike that rides well and looks cool and have details added on later. Lucifer is 98% done. Paint is next. I wan't to send pictures of it to bikerodnkustom and send them more pictures with details later. Has anyone else been in this position? >: )

          RE:MISC:   project bikes posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/31/2004 at 1:08:56 AM
Ah yes... an all too familiar conundrum. It's so close to being finished you can TASTE it. Well... lemme tellya... I have a custom chopper downstairs that is waiting to be finished. I'll be honest... I didn't build it but procured it. The builder got it about as far as you've gotten Lucifer. And while in and of itself it is most assuredly a VERY cool ride... well, a few finishing touches would make it a most righteous ride.

I've had it for months. Ride it on occasion and keep saying to myself.. I gotta FINISH this doggone thing.

Yet... there it sits. Pining away for the final touches that will make it "pop". Yeah... maybe over the winter. Right. Maybe next week during vacation. Yeah... RIGHT. Maybe by the time I retire....

Basically, what I'm sayin' here is it's easy to blow off the final touches that will bring your initial vision to completion.

But hey... it's your bike. I know how ya feel and just bringin' to light the foibles of a 98% complete project.

I have a real problem with procrastination. I plan on dealing with it sometime next week too.




          RE:RE:MISC:   project bikes posted by JimW. on 8/31/2004 at 8:41:12 AM
I'll tell you what I tell everyone else who sends in photos of bikes which aren't finished, Ziggy. "Finish it before you send us photos of it." Even if it's passable in the photos you send, don't assume that we'll go in and replace those photos with others when you finally get around to getting it the way you ultimately want it to look. It's a flaming pain to remove photos from BR&K's server, because it has to be done on-line, and if they're not removed, they just sit there and eat up valuable space. As a result of this, when someone sends in a replacement photo after we've already done that page, we tend to get a little testy; and don't be too surprised if you get back a nasty note telling you what you can do with your new photo. It's happened before, and recently. This usually happens to the poor devil who's unlucky enough to be the third guy in a week who's done that. The first guy gets the nice note, the second guy doesn't get any note. But that third guy...

We keep plenty busy working on new pages, so we're not inclined to waste time reworking old pages.

Another thing to consider about detailing is that it determines how much coverage the bike gets on its page. If a bike is fully-detailed we tend to use more views of it, if we have them. Keats Carleton sent in a big pile of photos of his latest bike which is absolutely crawling with incredibly cool detail. We ran a lot of his photos, because they were needed to fully appreciate the bike. Of course, they were also good photos, which makes a difference, too.

When we get in multiple views of a plain-Jane chopper with no detailing, we tend to only run one photo of it on the page, assuming that it's painted and the photo's decent, of course. If it's a bad photo, we don't run it at all.

I recommend that you also read our article on photographing your bike http://bikerodnkustom3.homestead.com/photo.html before shooting it. You wouldn't believe some of the horrible photos you don't see in BR&K, because we instantly trash them. It's not just for BR&K that you should shoot the best photos you can, either. After all, when you invest months of work into creating a bike, don't you deserve to have nice photos of it as a keepsake?

          RE:MISC:   project bikes posted by sam on 9/1/2004 at 2:29:58 AM
Ziggy,you hit the nail on the head with this post! We all been there,and it never get's any easer.I'm working on a bike that's killing me right now---every thime I feel I'm getting close to finish more things come along.And more always means $$$$.But I learned a long time ago to keep at the project---sometimes ya gotta make yourself do some---but a finished project or a half/A** project is the difference in being "The Man" or just a punk.Would Jessie James ride a half/A** bike?I say he's "The Man"-Ya know the answer!--sam

          RE:RE:MISC:   project bikes posted by JimW. on 9/1/2004 at 3:44:11 AM
Last night, when I saw the thread beneath this one, I instantly thought of you, Sam. Looks like something you'd jump at.

Hell, even I started thinking about what I'd do with those 64-spoke 28" wheels. I think I'd build a matched pair of choppers with those on the rear, and a pair of 72-radial-spoke 24-inchers on the fromt. The ones on the rear would be re-spoked radially, to go along with the fronts. And of course, they'd maybe be detailed with the typical English roadster bits and pieces, including rod brakes. Sounds crazy, I realize; but that's because I am.

          RE:RE:RE:MISC:   project bikes posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/1/2004 at 9:20:20 AM
Neat idea Jim. If I had the technology at hand to play around, I have an Abley roadster with 28" wheels and rod brakes downstairs. It's brand new and of Indian manufacture so I don't think it would break my heart to start "messin" with it.

What I find interesting is the radial spoke deal. The Rat Fink, and from what I can tell, the Stiletto both have radially spoked front wheels, but the rear wheels on both are traditionally laced. I would have to think that might have something to do with dynamic load being considerably different than the front.



          RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   project bikes posted by ziggy on 9/1/2004 at 7:37:49 PM
That does sound cool. But rod brakes must be run straight parallel with the frame correct? But it sounds cool. Jesse James is the man, and he wouldn't ride a half azz bike. >: )

          RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   project bikes posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/3/2004 at 9:41:34 AM
Correct Ziggy. So the "British" flavoured chopper with rod brakes would have straight frame members. In order to be true to spirit, it must be a lugged frame as well. So, it could be a bit tricky... unless you actually got down and dirty and FABRICATED the lugs needed to achieve the desired frame geometry.

Quite the challenge!



          RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   project bikes posted by JimW. on 9/3/2004 at 3:52:25 PM
The reason you don't see radial spoking on rear wheels very often, especially in larger diameters, is that they have more of a tendency to wind-up under hard accelleration or hard braking by coaster brake, at the hub. Being aware of it, and not subjecting them to that sort of force is the main consideration. The same would apply to those 26" low rider radial wheels, and you see plenty of those around on the rear.

The new BikeRod&Kustom is almost ready to go. It should be up by the end of this weekend.

          RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   project bikes posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/4/2004 at 1:07:32 AM
Pretty much what my thoughts were about the radial rear wheels. Particularly with coaster or disc brakes I'm sure.

Not that others couldn't... but I don't think I could generate enough torque to "wind 'em up" on takeoff.



          RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   project bikes posted by ziggy on 9/4/2004 at 4:30:33 PM
Well even if you radial laced a wheel depending upon the size, then you would have to be more careful anyway. No criss-crossing makes for a considerably weaker wheel. Just a thought >: )

          RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   project bikes posted by Kurt on 9/5/2004 at 1:48:39 PM
I am not sure if doing the rear rim in cross-0 (radial) is a good idea. Even with 64 spokes, it's not impossible for it to loosen up on your first run. This can become quite alarming to the unsuspecting while driving, if not downright dangerous.

I learned it the hard way myself when I did a 20" rim with 28 spokes in cross-0. (Big no-no!) When I hit that coaster for the first time, the whole rim sounded like a box full of screws being thrashed around. Got off the bike, and tested the brake - the rim would stop rotating about a half inch after the coaster had locked up.

I wouldn't try radial spoking for anything under 72 spokes, and I'd probably put a cross-0 72 in the front only.

Call me a worrywart, but that first experience was enough for me!

P.S.: I have a 16" Huffy with cross-0 on both back and front. It has 20 spokes, back and front.

The only reason I keep that 16" thing around is because of a nutty friend I have in Long Island who builds LOWriders...I'm waiting for the day he wants a new Sturmey AW laced into a 16 (or god forbid, 12") inch wheel.

P.S. #2: Yes, Sturmey now makes the AW in 20 spoke.

Take care,


          RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   project bikes posted by Kurt on 9/5/2004 at 1:49:57 PM
Correction: Sturmey now builds the AW in 20 HOLE configuration.

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FOR SALE:   64 Spoke 28" Wheels posted by: Tom on 8/29/2004 at 10:16:58 PM
I have a pair of 28 x 1 1/2" 64 spoke, yes 64 spoke wheels on ebay. They are new as I found them. They would be great on a stretched chopper. Nothing rides smoother than 28" wheels. These take British size tires, availabe here on this site. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2266519458

          RE:FOR SALE:   64 Spoke 28 posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/31/2004 at 12:51:11 AM
SIXTY FOUR (64) SPOKES?!?!?!?!? UNHEARD of on a 28" wheel. Well... at least I've never heard of it. Those are something, that's for sure. You may want to post the info to the English Roadster discussion board here as well.

64 spokes... now that's somethin'! Enjoyed havin' a gander... for the life of me, I wouldn't know what I would do with 'em though. :-\



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