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WANTED:   No Such Luck posted by: AviationMetalSmith on 5/12/2003 at 9:11:23 PM
Well as you know I built a Fiberglass Ladie's Bicycle. Most manufacturers build ladies bicycles in addition to their mens bikes. What about custom builders? I hired Mellisa Manning of Jacksonville Florida to design a ladies bicycle.
Most of my expenses were incurred before I met her. Her design saved lots of money.
Can I get reimbursed by a federal grant money for my expences? No I can't. I was on the phone today seeing if I can secure some funds, but it ain't gonna happen. Apparently Title IX of the Physical Education Ammendments of 1972 is not a fund. It's just a law that says existing funds must be divided equally between boys and girls sports.
Add to that the fact that it only covers existing sports and not a new cycling team and you can't get any money from them.
So much for public funding.
Back to the subject of who's gonna pay. $900.00 of the $40,000.00 I spent came back when I sold the bike. I guess I have to take the loss. 'Cause i would need trucking distribution and advertizing to sell enough bikes the recoup the loss. And that would cost more money.
Anyone else have a small business story they would like to share?

          RE:WANTED:   No Such Luck posted by AviationMetalSmith on 5/16/2003 at 8:41:24 PM
Closer examination of the fiberglass seat on the 21 speed lowrider showed a crack due to shear forces and crushing due to compression.
I called on Dr. Hacksaw to perform an emergency amputation.
Besides Shear and compression, there was also damage from tension (elongation), melting of the styrofoam core due to solvents. And the threads stripped on the axle nut.
I should never have cheated on my girlfriends design.
I should never have cheated on my girlfiend period.

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AGE / VALUE:   custom chopper posted by: jesse james on 5/7/2003 at 4:06:31 AM
I had just finally finished this bike and was wondering if it I liked by chopper lovers. tell me what you think.email for a pic.


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AGE / VALUE:   custom chopper posted by: jesse james on 5/7/2003 at 4:06:31 AM
I had just finally finished this bike and was wondering if it I liked by chopper lovers. tell me what you think.email for a pic.


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AGE / VALUE:   Check out Kustom Cruisers for some cool rides. posted by: Devon on 5/2/2003 at 2:26:40 PM
We've had lots of cool new bikes posted over at Kustom cruisers. Be sure to check them out. Jion the group, post pics of your bikes. Trying to get a regular chat nite going so we can take about our bikes.http://groups.msn.com/KustomCruisers/_whatsnew.msnw
see you there

          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Check out Kustom Cruisers for some cool rides. posted by mike on 5/6/2003 at 1:36:08 AM
I really like dem der upside down women's frame choppers,
dat der ye olde 3 speed on krack, motif. Mike

          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Check out Kustom Cruisers for some cool rides. posted by Kustom_Bicycles on 5/7/2003 at 2:08:28 AM
Thanks. They're fun and easy to make. I just took one out for 15 miles on a HFH (Habitat for Humanity) ride.

          RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Check out Kustom Cruisers for some cool rides. posted by AviationMetalSmith on 5/7/2003 at 7:52:01 PM
That page was so cool! The "grape ape" with the flamethrower is a fine bike. I wouldn't mind having one like it myself. Look out yer pants don't catch on fire!

          RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Check out Kustom Cruisers for some cool rides. posted by Mike on 5/8/2003 at 6:46:09 PM
Old 3 speeds are underated vehicles and a fine base for custom
projects, nice and practical too, coming fully dressed and a 3
speed hub will out last 10 Shimano derailleur drive trains.

          RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Check out Kustom Cruisers for some cool rides. posted by Kustom_Bicycles on 5/9/2003 at 4:34:59 PM
Not to mention you can get them from Goodwill or the Salvation Army for about $5.

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AGE / VALUE:   3G Cycles/Gary Silva posted by: AviationMetalSmith on 4/29/2003 at 8:59:55 PM
I just came across the page in the Volume 4 Issue3 of BR&K.

The new bikes from 3G look great. They look better than Phat cycles. I was thinking about getting a Phat, but now I want a 3G. So there's no east coast distributor.I think people on the East coast would rather stay inside and watch television than ride a bike. I think that's the problem.

I'm really glad I went back through the Bikerodnkustom issue3 Volume 4 again, otherwise I might have missed it.

I don't know what Gary Silva's background is. What college did he go to? What does he hold a degree in?

          RE:AGE / VALUE:   3G Cycles/Gary Silva posted by JimW. on 4/29/2003 at 10:06:20 PM
Actually, East Coast people are indoors working at their computers, putting out webzines about kustom bicycles.

But seriously, being a 3G distributor means shelling out about 25 large for a shipping container full of bikes and stuff. The East Coast has still not recovered from 9/11, and won't have for years, for most people. The economy and job market is totally shot, New York City is in serious financial trouble, and is raising everyone's cost of living as a consequence. It's not too surprising that no one's stepping up to the plate on this. I'd like to do it, myself, as kustom style is the hot bike marketing trend at the moment, and it would be nice to be able to capitalize on my efforts for making this so. But my personal income's in the toilet, for the above reasons, and there's no way I could come up with that kind of money. A bike shop just carrying kustom and chopper style bikes here could do well; but same deal; this is just a bad time for raising money in New York City, for any sort of business.

I don't think Gary went to school for this. He grew up in his family's bike business, and just branched out into designing and marketing his own line.

          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   3G Cycles/Gary Silva posted by JimW. on 4/29/2003 at 10:11:06 PM
I forgot to mention that 3G's West Coast distributor, Aubrey, at BYUS, will be happy to sell you one, and ship it anywhere you want. Gary will also ship you one directly from the factory, but the shipping would be steep from Taiwan.

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LOWRIDERS:   display stand posted by: isaac ray on 4/27/2003 at 2:23:58 PM
can anyone give me more specific instructions on how to build a turntable display stand myself.also a list of materials i may need. or even a website i can go to that will teach me how. i dont have to much money so any tricks or tips to make this lighter on the wallet would help too. thanks

          RE:LOWRIDERS:   display stand posted by JimW. on 4/27/2003 at 10:34:23 PM
Isaac, you're expecting too much from the people on this list. It's a lot of work to write a how-to article on making almost anything, and that seems to be what you want. An electric turntable is too complicated to do an A-to-Z construction article in this type of list. We can't show plans and photos, even if we were inclined to attempt to cover such a subject here.

That said, you need a fairly powerful gearmotor, some skate wheels, some angle brackets, some plywood, and a large and small V-belt pulley and a belt, which might be salvageable from an old washer or dryer. You'd also need something like a threaded plumbing pipe nipple for the pivot axle, a floor flange to screw it to the base, and a bearing to fit the pipe "axle", which would mount to the rotating disc. That's about as detailed as I have time for. Herbach and Rademan, which I mentioned previously, has gearmotors.

As for websites, I'd recommend that you try google and use the search words electric, turntable, construction, for starters. This is what anyone would do who wanted to build one.

          RE:LOWRIDERS:   display stand posted by Cy Nic on 4/27/2003 at 11:36:02 PM
first you get a piece of paper and a pencil then you get an idea then using the pencil transfer the idea from your brain to the paper work through the mechanics of the idea if something is wrong turn the pencil over theres an eraser on the other end use it get another idea and repeat the above until your idea looks like it will work with your piece of paper in hand go to the hardware store and buy things that look similar to what you have on the paper spend some time make sure it all fits together ask the salesman questions after all youre giving him the money now take all the stuff you bought at the store home some of the stuff you bought you will have to cut look in your garage for the correct tool to cut it now youll need some wrenches to bolt things together maybe a screwdriver or a pop rivit gun when you got it all together get your dad to wire the motor make sure theres a switch in place to turn it off and on with does it work if so then you can paint it or put carpet on it if you cover it with clear saran wrap it will make the turntable invisible and it will look like your bike is just floating in air

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CUSTOMS:   I think I figured it out!!! posted by: MEANIRISHMOFO on 4/24/2003 at 2:16:15 PM
http://photos.yahoo.com/kafer_d Here is my work in progress.

          RE:CUSTOMS:   I think I figured it out!!! posted by Stacey on 4/24/2003 at 3:36:43 PM
You got it fer shure there MIMF! Sweet, congrats!

          RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   I think I figured it out!!! posted by JimW. on 4/26/2003 at 5:19:10 AM
Same here.

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MISC:   PuTer IllIgitmAte posted by: MEANIRISHMOFO on 4/24/2003 at 1:06:55 AM
What is the best way to get a pic from my desktop to a link for all to see? Help, Thanks

          RE:MISC:   PuTer IllIgitmAte posted by Stacey on 4/24/2003 at 2:50:07 AM
First you need to upload the image to a web server that allows remote image calls. Most Internet Service Providers have web hosting available, call yours and see whats involved.

Once you have the image uploaded, just post the URL here for us to copy & paste. That's the short & sweet. If you need a more detailed 'How-To' just e-mail me.

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AGE / VALUE:   Update on EazyOrange posted by: Sebastian on 4/22/2003 at 7:16:50 PM
Hi all, finally I got some spare time lately to repaint "EazyOrange". Since I moved to another town and messd up the paint I had to redo it.

still needs some coats of clear and some graphix.

Here's a link to a gallery on how we made the Frame.

Sebastian °LowStylez B.C. Germany°

          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Update on EazyOrange posted by Mike on 4/23/2003 at 10:11:41 PM
That's really pretty, I like how it was built too, add new stuff and cut out
the old redundent stuff.

          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Update on EazyOrange posted by Sebastian °LowStylez B.C. Germany° on 4/24/2003 at 9:31:39 AM
Thanks Mike,

actually we did the whole welding wok in just two days. I'm just not sure if the welds in the rear hold my weight. Time will tell. It's gonna be a rider - no trailer queen. So maybe I have to reinforce it later (and do the whole paint again (... and again, and again, and again ... ) Looks like I'm getting used to it. ;-)

          RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Update on EazyOrange posted by Mike on 4/25/2003 at 12:04:07 AM
I don't think strength is going to be a problem everything
is massive and well trianglated, plus you're going to use a banana
seat and sit over the back axle.

          RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Update on EazyOrange posted by Mike on 4/25/2003 at 12:05:14 AM
I don't think strength is going to be a problem everything
is massive and well trianglated, plus you're going to use a banana
seat and sit over the back axle.

          RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Update on EazyOrange posted by JimW. on 4/26/2003 at 5:21:32 AM
I think you can take Mike's word on it. If anyone can eyeball it and analyze the physics of it, it's him.

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MISC:   display stand posted by: christian on 4/21/2003 at 7:54:18 PM
i was looking through some old lowrider magazines to see how i can get an idea to build a display stand. i came across a thing called a turntable that will allow your car to rotate 360 degrees from reds hydralics. that thing cost between $1000. to $1500. i would like to build one for my bike. since im a little low on cash, what can anyone suggest i do to build one using things i find around the house or at a local swap meet. also can you explain roughly how these work and i think once i get a general picture of how these operate i can build it myself.

          RE:MISC:   display stand posted by sam on 4/21/2003 at 11:13:01 PM
There built from the spendel off a car(part wheel bolts to)must add a motor and pullys plus chanel iron to bolt bike to.Motor needs to be powerfull enough to turn everything and also run slow.A gear reduction motor is best.

          RE:RE:MISC:   display stand posted by JimW. on 4/23/2003 at 2:38:42 PM
Display houses sell electric turntables in various sizes.
One powerful enough to revolve a refrigerator can be had for a couple of hundred bucks.

The way they work is, there's a circular platform on top of a circular base. It revolves around a pivot attached to the base. There are 4-6 skate wheels mounted to the platform with brackets. They roll on the base, supporting the platform. There's a pulley fixed to the platform, which is driven by an electric motor mounted to the base, under the platform.

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LOWRIDERS:   70's Skyway? posted by: Nick on 4/18/2003 at 3:04:31 PM
I found this old 70's Skyway Bicycle at Bob's Bike Shop in Daytona Beach, FL awhile back and don't know what year it is. It had a banana seat (possibly aftermarket), sissy bar, gull-wing handle bars and a Shimano 3-speed stick shift. So, if anyone knows alot about Skyways, email me for a picture. Nick thor88@cfl.rr.com)

          RE:LOWRIDERS:   70's Skyway? posted by mike on 4/23/2003 at 10:17:48 PM
Skyway built BMX race and freestyle framesets, no muscle bikes by my knowledge. Mike

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LOWRIDERS:   pneumatics help posted by: isaac ray on 4/18/2003 at 1:21:16 PM
can anyone tell me exactly what pneumatics parts i need to to order so i can set up my two-wheeler. I can also use some how-to step by step instuctions. does anyone know a web-sight or can anyone tell me what to buy and how to set this this up. i can follow directions quite well so i know if i had the literature i can do it.i also live very close to a granger store if that could help.thanks in advance for any help you all can give to me.

          RE:LOWRIDERS:   pneumatics help posted by Stacey on 4/18/2003 at 3:18:56 PM
Excuse my cycnisism here Isaac Ray... but it seems like you're asking for years of education. Part of, no check that... much of the creative process invloves doing the grunt work of learning. I feel you'd be better served to do some research of your own and with the knowledge gained therein, come back and hold your concept up for peer review.

          RE:RE:LOWRIDERS:   pneumatics help posted by JimW. on 4/19/2003 at 1:06:54 AM
Stacey has a good point. Besides that, I doubt that there are any experts on this particular application, anyway. This is kind of a shade-tree engineering deal, where you start experimenting and continue until you get it right, or give up on it. If you must get into it, I'd recommend that you get some cheap surplus pneumatic hardware from some place like Herbach and Rademan, to play with, rather than spending a lot of money at Grainger's for a specific item. Cheap is good, if you don't have a set of plans or a consulting engineer. Retrofitting your frame with a swing-arm rear suspension setup is a pretty major design job in itself.

The basics you'll need for experimentation are: some pneumatic cylinders, one or two valves (some of which are electrically activated), a small high-pressure air tank, and a pretty powerful compressor for charging the cylinder.
Be advised that high pressure air setups can explode and maim or kill you, so I'm not recommending that unqualified personnel mess with it anyway.

Bicycle technology is fascinating, and so is hobbyist engineering. But it's ironic that the silliest and most worthless things to do with bikes, like fitting them with flame throwers and making them jump up and down are also the most dangerous things for the inexperienced to get into. Two words to think about: DARWIN AWARDS.

          RE:RE:RE:LOWRIDERS: pneumatics help posted by isaac ray on 4/19/2003 at 3:53:06 PM
OK! OK! whos got a cheap used kit for sale. thanks for the info and the warnings stacey and jim, much appreciated.

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CUSTOMS:   The begining of something NEW posted by: Midwest Custom Creations on 4/17/2003 at 4:52:19 AM
Hello, my name is Josh, and I have just began the building of a little chopper bicycle I call "Pure Hell". This won't be like most other chopper bicycles. Right now I have a hand made, one off design of my own tank, built by me in my own garage in about 3 days The frame will have a regular back half (BMX style)the rest will be made by me right in my garage. Here are the parts I have began designing: Handlebars- frame- sprocket- seat- fenders- wheels- forks- tire tread design- and paint are just a few. I am not going for any fancy 3-5- or 7 speed hubs, it will be a single speed, but of my own design. You might be saying right now, whats so "NEW" about this. Well, this bike has been in the designing stages for about three years. Thats alot of mock ups, drawings, etc. Thats also time to fine tune every little detail, flaw or mistake made. This bike is going to be like nothing else ever seen. I have the complete drawings on paper and in life size. And just today me and my crew of 8 have began. It consist of professional fabricators, designers, welders, painters, and 2 car designers. They have all agreed to help with this project. I felt I should post this because just today the actual fabricating has begun. It is amazing what just one full day of work can produce. The tank;complete. "That was pretty simple" says Bob Freeman, a preofessional welder and fabricator out of Peoria, Ill. The frame is going to be crazy, "It really does defy the law of gravity", said Jerry Bowman, car designer from Sacramento, Cal. I am really glad these 8 have agreed to participate in this project. I believe this could be the best custom bicycle build ever. Here are the 8 people who are helping along with their residence:
Jerry Bowman- Sacramento
Bob Freeman- Peoria
Roger Gifford- Des Moines
Randy Flores- Des Moines
Fred Hernandas- Des Moines
Jason Khelibeck- Green Bay
Jesse James- Long Beach
Chip Foose- San Benadino
I would like to thank all of these guys for helping me out, thanks alot.


          RE:CUSTOMS:   The begining of something NEW posted by Stacey on 4/17/2003 at 1:22:52 PM
Now that's what I call a well orchestrated effort Josh, tres kewl!! How 'bout gracing us with some teaser JPG's of some of your later drawings? So we don't have to wait for the unveiling of the finished project.

          RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   The begining of something NEW posted by Josh on 4/17/2003 at 9:57:29 PM
I will get the drawings scanned and post them, thanks

          RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   The begining of something NEW posted by JImW. on 4/18/2003 at 9:01:48 AM
That seems like a good project for BikeRod&Kustom's Design Lab feature. Our last one was to do with the making of John Youens'Salsa Verde. If you can have some visuals ready by early May, send them to us for the next issue. We can cover it in more than one issue.

          RE:CUSTOMS:   The begining of something NEW posted by Mike on 4/18/2003 at 12:00:32 PM
You can only do so much planning and drawing, once the building
starts things take on a whole different life of their own.
Things morph slightly in the transition from pencil and paper
to metal, to something alot more interesting. Be sure to test ride it
before painting it, to see that everything fits and it rides
OK, after all bikes are for riding. Enjoy the process and the
end product. Mike

          RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   The begining of something NEW posted by Josh on 4/19/2003 at 3:16:02 PM
The drawing of it is in the photo gallery, thank you. It is called, HERE IS THE NEW DESIGN. THanks.

          RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   The begining of something NEW posted by AviationMetalSmith on 4/19/2003 at 3:45:20 PM
You have just prooved what I have been saying:
It takes an entire TEAM of people to put a banana seat over the rear half of a BMX bike. One man can't do the job alone.
Please post some closeup photograph jpegs of the rear dropouts when you're done.

          RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   The begining of something NEW posted by JimW. on 4/20/2003 at 9:40:51 AM
I may be dense, but I don't see a URL for those drawings.
It may be the epoxy fumes finally getting to me. I just finished the spandex skin over Killer Swan's tail section, and I'm a little bleary-eyed (plus it's 5:30 AM.)

          RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   The begining of something NEW posted by Stacey on 4/20/2003 at 10:25:48 AM
I'm having the same problem JimW is... and I've had a good nights sleep and no epoxy vapors to cloud my brain.

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CUSTOMS:   Need some help posted by: Matt on 4/13/2003 at 12:19:38 PM
Im building a custom chopper style bike but no pedals Im putting a 5.5 hp engine on it everything is coming along fine except im more into the fabrication than the drive train, so here is my question right now Im either going with a belt drive that will have a shifting lever to put it in drive or I have a centrifugal clutch with 12 tooth sprocket on it. My problem is where can I find the bearing ,hub assembly for bicycle rims to add the pulley or bigger sprocket? any help would be appreciated.

          RE:CUSTOMS:   Need some help posted by Stacey on 4/13/2003 at 6:34:22 PM
That's going to be a tough one Matt, bicycle hubs and spokes are enginered for 1 HUMAN power, not 5.5 HORSE power LOL! I can only begin to imaging the sound made by all that stuff grenading the first time you do a holeshot.

Instead, why not try a sheave type setup? Take another rim of the same diameter as you back wheel and 'siamese' is up aginst the one holding the tire. Just bridge between the two with a wheelchair handwheel type of attachment. Then run your belt drive/jockeywheel to power it. A much stronger set up! If you need more speed, you can always go to a jackshaft & toruqe converter... but that might raise MV issues as you out run the GSXR's :-)))))

          RE:CUSTOMS:   Need some help posted by Ryan on 4/28/2003 at 11:14:13 AM
one option would be to use the clutch, run a chain to a large crank and then fit a tiny crank to the other side or a second smaller cog to the same side, this would allow some downgearing with little cost.

          RE:CUSTOMS:   Need some help posted by Ryan on 4/28/2003 at 11:15:04 AM
one option would be to use the clutch, run a chain to a large crank and then fit a tiny crank to the other side or a second smaller cog to the same side, this would allow some downgearing with little cost.

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CUSTOMS:   SCORCHERS July 4 NYC Cruise posted by: JimW. on 4/10/2003 at 9:27:32 PM
The NYC chapter of SCORCHERS Bicycle Mob is considering a July 4 cruise down Broadway from Central Park, starting at noon to welcome Rif Addams to town, at the conclusion of the Across America On A Motor Bicycle Centennial Run. I'm tired of waiting for a decision to be made about my proposal for an official July 4 bike parade. We don't need those bureaucrats and cycle snobs to have a ride. Anyone interested, in the NYC area or anywhere else, E-mail me directly for more information, and to sign up. Jim Wilson jwilson20@nyc.rr.com


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