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LOWRIDERS:   What do ya reckon??? posted by: Charlie Hobbs on 5/3/2001 at 2:07:09 PM
I have British post office bike that is thrashed - badly painted and rusty. I posted an entry in the "english Roadsters" section, and one guy said its probably valueable and I should not customise it and go down the classic restoration path. I live in England and there must be loads of these knocking around, plus it will get used, so I think I'll go for the custom option, as its simply more fun, I'll enjoy it more and it wont devalue it any further.

So, what do you lot reckon I should do to it to customise it. My first plan is to go with a white front end, into a white flame, then to hot orange. Buff up the shinny bits like the rod brakes, clean up the Dunlop strung saddle, and rapair + stick on the white mud guards.

What else does it need? What would you do?

PS: Isn't this a bloody good site or what!

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          RE:LOWRIDERS:   What do ya reckon??? posted by CatfoodRob on 5/3/2001 at 2:25:30 PM
Charlie, is it a pashley??
Rod it man, its worthless as a resto, except maybe to some saddo ex g.p.o. employee..... dont be scared to chop the frame and lower the seat position, then extend the forks and fit apehangers...... go for it man. p.s. where in England? I`m in madchester..

          RE:RE:LOWRIDERS:   What do ya reckon??? posted by charlie hobbs on 5/3/2001 at 2:41:22 PM
Good on ya catfoodrob - it's refreshing to hear from someone who isn't hung up on the retro stuff. I don't know if its a pashley, but I suspect that they have always made these bikes for the post office - so it probably is. I'm down in sunny Bournemouth, so it will become my beach cruiser. Do you know any dealers in the UK (custom bike stuff - not the other)?

          RE:RE:RE:LOWRIDERS:   What do ya reckon??? posted by Sal on 5/4/2001 at 5:19:56 AM
I dunno, if you are going to rod it, why not start with something really rough? This one sounds pretty decent, so why not keep it as-is and choose another bike (yard sale, dump find, etc.) to customize?

          RE:RE:RE:RE:LOWRIDERS:   What do ya reckon??? posted by charlie hobbs on 5/4/2001 at 9:39:11 AM
Don't panic, it's a rusty and dirty unridable pile right now. I do not believe I could find anything rougher to start on. Certainly not anything that anyone has the nerve to sell. So what would you do to it?

          RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:LOWRIDERS:   What do ya reckon??? posted by JOEL on 5/4/2001 at 11:45:02 AM
Your custom plans sound like a great use of this bike. Go for it and post a picture when you're done.

          RE:LOWRIDERS:   What do ya reckon??? posted by sam on 5/4/2001 at 11:06:24 PM
I think it was Catfood that said he's never seen a stingray for real and I got one for $5(how much is that in England?)I don't know -not much . The point is your bike might not be too valuable in England so a rod custom sounds great.I'd start simple and leave the cutting welding stuff for later.I find it's better to start out with a success than flop right off---sam PS you will fail in the custom game.I have.just try again and learn from those errors.And do post photos we'd love to see your bike

          RE:LOWRIDERS:   What do ya reckon??? posted by Sebastian on 5/7/2001 at 1:30:50 AM
Hi Charlie,
Do you have a picture of the frame (bike) right now? ... I'd love to see it and start doing some sketches.

Sebastian

          RE:LOWRIDERS:   What do ya reckon??? posted by A friend on 5/13/2001 at 7:23:27 AM
Hi Charlie Hobbs, How is your project comming out so far? Just wondering, Did you have the frame stripped down yet? Did you get with Catfood Rob, He has some good ideas, and knows what he is talking about. There's another gentleman from your homeland by the name of Sebastain, who has his work, and bicycles on bikerodnkustom web site. He has great ideas that he designs and builds himself. Well nomatter where your at, and if you need help, or some info,you know where to find it.

          RE:LOWRIDERS:   What do ya reckon??? posted by Catfood Rob on 5/16/2001 at 2:43:51 PM
Is sebastian English? I thought he was German....Seb, if your in the u.k. link man.
For you U.S. Guys, there is really no collectors market in the u.k. for old bikes, except for REAL old stuff, pre 1930 really. After that its the Raleigh Chopper. Theres nothing in between. Most Raleighs MIGHT be collectable, but theres few collectors interested. Charlies bike , whatever the condition, isnt worth restoring....theres no one who would want it... much better that it finds a new lease of life in the hands of someone who will love and cherish it, whilst customising it, than going on the tip. As for that $5 Stingray..... you lucky sod!!! My own latest project is a mid 90`s Raleigh Activator, full suspension bike, that is getting a serious attack with the welding torch!!! Cost me £10 though...real expensive toy.

          RE:LOWRIDERS:   What do ya reckon??? posted by catfoodrob on 5/16/2001 at 2:49:07 PM
Oh Charlie, as to your question about shops over here, I know of none, an e-mail and credit card no to one of the big u.s. sites is your best bet, use this page to check the quality of your intended purchase. I use Bicycle Don at PetriCycles.... a real helpfull guy.




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LOWRIDERS:   What do ya reckon??? posted by: Charlie Hobbs on 5/3/2001 at 2:07:09 PM
I have British post office bike that is thrashed - badly painted and rusty. I posted an entry in the "english Roadsters" section, and one guy said its probably valueable and I should not customise it and go down the classic restoration path. I live in England and there must be loads of these knocking around, plus it will get used, so I think I'll go for the custom option, as its simply more fun, I'll enjoy it more and it wont devalue it any further.

So, what do you lot reckon I should do to it to customise it. My first plan is to go with a white front end, into a white flame, then to hot orange. Buff up the shinny bits like the rod brakes, clean up the Dunlop strung saddle, and rapair + stick on the white mud guards.

What else does it need? What would you do?

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FOR SALE:   Extreme Lowracer $1300.oo posted by: R.D. on 5/2/2001 at 1:09:40 AM
Had a heart attack. Letting this machine go for $1300.oo US.Can be picked up in Indiana.See it here--> http://recumbents.com/wisil/stockinger/alley_cat.htm

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AGE / VALUE:   Swap Meet June 24, Boston, MA posted by: Joe on 4/30/2001 at 6:59:02 PM
Bicycle Swap meet, June 24, 2001. Under the Bridge, Boston, MA. Interstate 93 North or South. Approximately 1 mile North of Downtown Boston, Exit 28 Sullivan Square around the rotary "Under the Bridge" Rain or shine.. This show is free to everyone and vendors.. If you have any questions please email me.

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AGE / VALUE:   Hawthorne 3 wheeler posted by: C. Johnson on 4/30/2001 at 11:24:04 AM
Need help-just got a Montgomery Wards Hawthorne 3 wheel bicycle and I would like to find out about its age. I have photos for anyone interested.

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CUSTOMS:   Kustom Roadster pics posted by: Brian on 4/28/2001 at 9:45:31 PM
Cant get the pics posted here yet, but they are at this site: http://members.nbci.com/petribike/shows/image49.jpg also image48, 46, 34, and 30.jpg Check 'em out

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          RE:CUSTOMS:   Kustom Roadster pics posted by A friend on 5/2/2001 at 3:50:07 PM
Hi Brian, maybe its me, I don't know, I don't see any GT Kruiser. It seems no one else has seen it either. I will try again later.

          RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   Kustom Roadster pics posted by Brian on 5/4/2001 at 3:36:33 PM
The pics are there, just checked to make sure. Copy the address exactly as written. To see all the pics, just change the image #. Type it in at top, should work!!!




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CUSTOMS:   Don't chop a Schwinn? posted by: dwl on 4/25/2001 at 2:37:58 PM
I want to build a chopper out of this 20" stingray fairlady I found in a shed.

I'm just wondering why people say "don't chop a Schwinn." Are they that rare?

This bike is beat, I think it'd take a lot of work to restore it. (I want to *ride* it, not look at it)

I'm not going to cut the frame or it's forks. I'm not going to do anything irrevocable.

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          RE:CUSTOMS:   Don't chop a Schwinn? posted by Gary on 4/25/2001 at 8:01:45 PM
If the paint is bad go ahead and thrash on it Original paint is where its at in old bikes anyway. BUT go to www.lovelylowriders.com and look at the price of a new never to be rare frame once and decide if you want to cut up American History, or a dime store copy at a cheap price.

          RE:CUSTOMS:   Don't chop a Schwinn? posted by Annette on 4/30/2001 at 11:30:26 AM
If you are interested in having a bike that you can ride around please view our website at www.hihwheel.com. Check out the lowriders and parts. We have the best prices around and depending on what you order we have discounts that apply. If you call or email please mention that you got our name and site from this discussion page.
Thanks.

          RE:CUSTOMS:   Don't chop a Schwinn? posted by Gary on 4/30/2001 at 2:08:11 PM
typo correction, its www.hiwheel.com

          RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   Don't chop a Schwinn? posted by A friend on 5/13/2001 at 7:12:07 AM
Hi Gary, I know your very busy buying up bikes. I like to read your posts. Your always out and about looking and finding treasures in peoples yards or barns. Sounds like a lot of fun, bike fever at its best. I was wondering if you had the time to finish those 3 choppers you had built? Can you post some pictures?




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CUSTOMS:   Show stopper!! posted by: Brian on 4/23/2001 at 6:42:38 PM
Trying to post some pics of my Dyno Roadster on this site. This one will win shows (if I can find one to enter!) Bright yellow and tan with seat and custom covered ODI grips to match. Help me load!!

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          RE:CUSTOMS:   Show stopper!! posted by A friend on 4/24/2001 at 11:19:12 AM
Brain, send it to Bikerodnkustom website. e-mail Jim Wilson, jwilsonetc@earthlink.net He can help you.




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MISC:   spoke length... posted by: Rif Addams on 4/15/2001 at 8:49:13 AM
Here's a novice question for ya'
I'm new at lacing rims. I've been practicing on old wheels I have laying around to get the pattern and such, but what is the formula to calculate spoke length?
If the rim is a certain diameter with this Hole spacing, and the hub is a certain diameter with that hole spacing, how do I figure the proper spoke length?
Thanks in advance for the help,
Rif

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          RE:MISC:   spoke length... posted by Cam on 4/16/2001 at 5:09:19 AM
There are spoke length calculators on the web. I think under the English Roadster topic over the past month someone posted a link to one. Look for it under the recent "Wheel lacing" discussion.

          RE:MISC:   spoke length... posted by A friend on 4/17/2001 at 12:40:53 PM
Say Rif, Get one of your spare rims. Take a front rim first. The hub is lighter in the hand. Since your a beginner at this, use a 20" rim for starters. Look at the rim and spokes carefully, get to know the pattern. Some people catch on quickly, and some it takes longer. Never the less, take your time and start to remove the spokes with your new spoke wrench you already bought. Check it out, it took me some time to learn, just like the others. This is "trial and many errors". To answer your questions about spoke length, dont mix your front spokes with any back spokes. For instance, a coaster hub has short spokes. A front hub has longer spokes. Oh ya! remove the axcel from the hub, so the rim lays flat. Your going to service it, anyway. It's always good to have a refrence rim near by to look at. You know what Rif, just do it. There was a time when it took me three or more days to do it, now its like riding a bike, you know the ol' saying, once you know it no one can take it from you. To check your rims for trueness,now that the spokes have been removed, lay it flat on a peice of glass, if it teeter totters it's bent. Roll it on the flat service of a floor, if it falls over, well then". It's all common sence, how bad do you want to learn?

          RE:RE:MISC:   spoke length... posted by Rif on 4/22/2001 at 9:27:48 AM
Right on,
Thanks for the hints, I greatly appreciate it! This is so cool having a 'network' like this to be able to have these questions answered without having the bike shop guys not want to share for fear of losing buisness.
I'm still practicing, when I find the time. Between classes and homework, house and yard work, and the mundane old stuff that living requires.
BTW- I just picked up a 1949 Girls (plain jane) Schwinn New departure hub, skiptooth, etc. As well as a 1963 Schwinn Speedster (w/ 2-speed auto red band) on friday!
My roomate wants me to apply her Kustom ideas to the '49, and I'm gonna go ahead and make an urban cruiser from the speedster. You know, just something to bomb around the neighborhood on.. Here We Go Again! :-}
Rif




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AGE / VALUE:   Swap Meet June 24, Boston, MA posted by: Joe Rapoza on 4/14/2001 at 8:52:55 PM
Summer Bike Show Sunday June 24, 2001. Weekend after Fathers Day Annually.. This show is free to all vendors and the public..

Boston Show Directions: Interstate 93 North or South approximately 1 mile North of Downtown Boston. Take exit 28 Sullivan Square Exit go around the rotary “Under the Bridge”

For more information and show details please contact me.

Thank you, Joe

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MISC:   Choppers!!! posted by: Gary on 4/14/2001 at 8:23:30 PM
I have been building some cool looking "Chopper" style bikes here. Using a cantilever style frame {no i dont cut Schwinns} i have been installing 27" front forks, high bars, banana seats, cool sprockets, etc. Anyone else having any luck selling these? i have 3 built up so far, and they are ready to strip back apart and paint. My next project involves a 3-peice crankset, and a Custom rear rim i have built up, its a center hub from a Free Spirit 10 speed, with the Disc brake. 7 speed Shimano freewheel, triple front chainwheels. 21 speed. I have a set of long handle SunTour ratcheting levers, converted to stand straight up on the top tube. hope i can get the front derailler to clear the slick and the upswept lower stays. Time will tell.

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          RE:MISC:   Choppers!!! posted by A friend on 4/16/2001 at 8:08:47 AM
Hi Gary, Your bikes sound real nice. I like seeing new work. You asked, if there are people who are intrested in this type of bike? Why sure! Have you any Pix's of your choppers? You say you have three of them. I understand you donot kustomize Schwinn bikes. I understand, they are not that easy to find these days. What type of frames do you prefer? Do you prefer 20" or 26"?

          RE:MISC:   Choppers!!! posted by Gary on 4/18/2001 at 8:48:15 PM
There are a lot of low-value cantilever frames out there, so i dont have to cut stingrays. Can buy them new cheap also. My Blue frame is nearly done i will have pics in a few days. pretty basic but cool. I have a 26 in Schwinn Typhoon i am going to customize, having taken all the goodies off to restore an older one. probably just a springer, tank, painted wheels and fenders, saddlebags, and a Huffy concho style seat i have lying around. sort of a Harley look. I saw a bike that was being sold for HUGE money on Ebay, some persons idea of a custom, looked like heck to me, figure all i want is some money for my time, and i can do a good job making cool bikes. I do have a plan i want to try also using a ladies frame. Have a real neat plan for a recumbent, but wont tell it on here, just yet.
i bet lots will like it. Funny on the trail outside my shop today i saw an older couple trying to get used to their new, and VERY goofy looking recumbents, and not having good luck, in fact he was slightly injured at the stop, trying to unhook his feet from the straps and fell over hooked in, rolled right on to his face. This is NOT the future of recumbents. This model is short, tall, handlebars under the seat, and very tippy. i dont recommend this type to anyone. I am sure my design will solve some of these troubles.




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LOWRIDERS:   Wheels...Wheels....Wheels posted by: Alabama Boy on 4/10/2001 at 2:04:48 PM
I am builting a lowrider I have a whole complete bike it is about 5 weeks old every part on it is brand new but I want some more wheels and another fork ,THIS is what I'm looking for.
144 spoke wheels (chrome or gold)
Bent springer fork (chrome or gold)
The color of these parts doesn't matter.If you want to swap or trade wheels I might be interseted in that

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          RE:LOWRIDERS:   Wheels...Wheels....Wheels posted by Annette on 4/30/2001 at 11:36:53 AM
Please view our website at www.hiwheel.com. Email with what you want. Mention that you heard about us form this discussion page and I'll make you a deal. If you can't find it on the site let me know and I'll gat them for you if they can be gotten. Otherwise I can give you some names of places you can go to.
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CUSTOMS:   Gas Tanks posted by: Joshua on 4/10/2001 at 12:34:22 PM
I just started getting into low riders,and I saw a bike that had a gas tank,but just like the other kinds,not like a real tank,Anyways,how do you do that?I want a fiberglass tank,a nice efficient tank,and sturdy,but any way will do.I dont really want a sheetmetal tank because I dont have a welder.I do have lots of experience with bondo tho,but no metal.i dont like the king where you buy some of this fabric either.I think you can buy a fiberglass repair kit,can you?will that work?

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          RE:CUSTOMS:   Gas Tanks posted by A Freind on 4/11/2001 at 11:53:24 AM
Hi Joshua, Can you tell me a little more about your experince with plastic filler, or bondo? See its important to know this for me to explaine to you how this procedure is done. Since you say you have no welder. To do this job without a welder, you have a couple of ways of doing this. You can use 16th" plastic sheet, or card board. You will need a lot of imagination to. When you can reply, then I know your serious. A Freind

          RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   Gas Tanks posted by Rif on 4/13/2001 at 4:20:56 PM
Hi Freind,
Me again- If Joshua doesn't respond in a reasonable amount of time, would you be willing to share another one of your great 'Hip-Tips' with me? I'm serious about it... *Smile*
Thanks,
Rif

          RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   Gas Tanks posted by A friend on 4/16/2001 at 8:43:00 AM
Hi Rif, About the tank job. You will need a piece of card board, 20x20. You will need a pencil, and a eraser for mistakes. Ok now, set your card board along the side of your frame, where your tank pattern will be. Make sure you nest it between the top tube and the to lower rails. Now trace with your pencil, and without moving the card board". Now a little imagination when cutting with your ever so sharp box cutter, will make this easy. Now that your pattern is so pleasing to your creative eye, now take your 16th"thick plastic, lay it down. Take your nice perfect pattern lay it down on the plastic, and trace out your two new tanks. Use a magic marker, this works great on thick plastic. Cut out the two patterns, and start to put them up on the frame so you know where you have to trim. When you are happy with the fit, take a block, and some 36grit sand paper and rough up the plastic real good. Now you take the edges of the patterns and taper them to a knife edge finish. Now your done with that, take your frame and rough up the area where your filler will meet the edges of the plastic. So I will leave you with that. Since you know the procedures with working with the filler. Remember to put a piece on the bottom of the tank. Drop a line and let us know how its turning out. Remember! have FUN!

          RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   Gas Tanks posted by Joshua on 4/18/2001 at 6:39:03 PM
sorry for not repleing,I like those ideas but I really want fiberglass,and a neat paintjob,Maybe candy apple green,with some murals,and my neat bondoing art sculpting skills!!!!!

          RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   Gas Tanks posted by jj on 4/19/2001 at 5:50:04 AM
A Freind,
That is a great explaination.
Can you fill in some more details about the bondo process? I've done bodywork on cars before, so I'm imagining a couple huge lumps of bondo to fatten out the tank. But will that work? Won't it crack or just fall off? Or be too heavy?

          RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   Gas Tanks posted by joshua on 4/20/2001 at 7:52:00 PM
HI,it will not fall off!!!!!!!you first put card board in the tank Part,then you secure them well,and then you fill er up with bondo,shape it and your done,but you really cant make them FAT.BUT YOU PROBALY CAN IF YOU CARVE SOME STYRAFOAM OR SOMETHING INTO HOW YOU WANT IT,THEN TAKE OUT THE FOAM WHEN DRY,AND FILL IN WITH SOMTHIN LIKE MOLDING CLAY,THAT MIGHT WORK,NEVER HAD TRIED IT.AND MY PROJECT IS GOING WELL,ALREADY GOT SOME NEAT SCULPTING ON IT,NEAT SOUND SYSTEM,AND PEARL ORANGE PAINT READY TO PUT ON HER.I REALLY LIKE THE HANDLE BAR TUBE THATS AT A 155 DEGREE ANGLE!!!!!!!ALMOST FLAT ACROSS.i ALSO STRECHED THE MIDDLE ABOUT 7 INCES,WHEN ITS DONE IT WILL BE ABOUT 74 INCHES LONG.AND I PLAN ON MAKING THE SEAT COME UP ABOUT 3OR4 INCES AND SPIN,LIKE A LOWRIDER TRUCK BOX DOES.I SAVED THE BEST FOR LAST!!!!!!I REALLY DID PUT A MINI HOTTUB ON THE BAC,IT WORKS WELL,AND CAN ACTULLY FIT 2 PEOPLE IN IT!!!!!!SO LONG FOR NOW,ANY /S JUST EMAIL ME AT NOFEAR2001@WEBTV.NET BECAUSE IM ONLY HERE 1 A WEEK

          RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   Gas Tanks posted by A friend on 4/21/2001 at 6:48:00 PM
JJ, Sorry my friend, I can tell when some one needs some help with this process. When you responded by saying, do you have to put to big globs of bondo to make the tank. Anyone who has experince with bondo knows, not to apply more than a 1/4 to 3/8 of an inch. Thats when cracking is going to happen down the road. Donot load up on your mud, I will garantee it will crack, and throwing away your paint job too.

          RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   Gas Tanks posted by joshua on 4/23/2001 at 2:04:22 PM
it would fall off if you put big globes,thats why you cant make a really big bulg unless you follow the techniques above.i have never tryed the one i said to try.dontt know if it would work

          RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   Gas Tanks posted by A friend on 4/30/2001 at 8:05:15 AM
Hi guys', Allow me to walk you threw this process concerning plastic filler, bondo, if you will, and fiber glass. When it comes to working with any plastic filler, read the directions carefully. Work safe, and with plenty of ventalation! Oh by the way, wearing a paper mask helps a lot! For you beginners, never at any given time, work with more than a golf ball size of bondo, or any of the fillers I mentioned before. When appling your hardner, never apply too much! A golf size of bondo, you will use a eraser head size, of a pencil, of hardner. Thats the best example I can use at this moment. I then cut up square peices of clean card board to do my mixing on. Now where I'm from the weather can get very hot at times. The hardner works with the climate that you live in. For example, if its cold where you live, you can work more relaxed than I can. If you live wear the climate is very warm, you work fast! When mixing your filler with the hardner, take your 3" spreader, your card board, and apply your filler to the board and press firmly down on the spreader, spreading the filler back and forth,picking it up and repeating this process until you have a even PINK color too your filler. If it looks red you know you made a mistake with the hardner. You will know this by the filler will start to get warm in your hands. This will take practice, for some, more than others. Never the less, we all loose a little filler now and then. Thats why I suggest you use a small amount to get to know the material first. Remember to always have your material already roughed up and ready for application. This way you have created good bite for your application of filler. Every time you lay down your filler, make sure the area is clean, and free of any debree! Blow off the area with compressed air, or a "clean non oily rag". Always PRESS FIRMLY DOWN ON YOUR SPREADER! The reason for this is,so your bondo will bite into the roughed up frame, and material of choice. Allow each layer of filler, too dry. For those of you who know what a cheeze grader is, you have too first learn the hard way first, then at a later time I will cover this another time. Make sure you clean your spreader after each application. So the next you lay down your next layer of filler, it wont have hard deposits left on the spreader, and know tracks left behind. Every pass will be smooth with the tool, good and clean. Always rough up your area for your next application, then dust off good,and repeat the process again. Well that should do it for now. Any further questions, just post them. A friend

          RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   Gas Tanks posted by JOSH J. on 4/30/2001 at 5:14:34 PM
MY BIKE IS ALMOST DONE ONLY NEED PAINT.I MADE SOME COOL SCULPTURES FOR THE TANK,AND IT LOOKS LIKE SKULLS ARE COMING OUT OF THE TANK AND SKIRTS!ONLY TOOK ME A MONTH.I AM GOING TO PAINT THE SKULLS(AIRBRUSH)THEMWITH WHITE BLACK AND COLOR THE FLAMES.BYE FOR NOW

          RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   Gas Tanks posted by A friend on 5/1/2001 at 1:19:37 PM
Thats darn good Josh! Go for it". I can here you working from here, Just thought I would throw that in Josh, that is what its all about; a young man hard at work. I can tell this bike your building is unique, and different. Its your ideas, happing right before your eyes. Keep up the good job Josh. A friend




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AGE / VALUE:   Where to draw the line? posted by: sam on 4/7/2001 at 6:27:17 PM
A Friend had a post under restoration a few days ago on deceving about a restoration,So ,where do we draw the line?When is it a restoration and when is it a custom?Do all restorations have to be museum perfect to be called a restoration?Is it a custom if I add a classic style seat to my Phantom instead of the schwinn seat? Can I use repop fenders,rack,&fork in the original phantom style and still call it a restoration?For the record --I agree with A Friends comments on fraud.There is no place in our hobby for trying to pass off on someone a bike that is known not to be as stated.When selling --be honest ---sam

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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Where to draw the line? posted by A freind on 4/8/2001 at 8:34:53 AM
Hi Sam, Responding to your post, you can do what ever your mind allows you to do when it comes to your personal property. This is your bike and you can do a museum finish on it, or you can leave it as is. Its when you sell it, if your a fair man you put it down that it is a restoration. Original means Just that! Original parts orginal paint ect. I have been to sevral swapmeets here on the west coast threw out the years, and have seen original bikes by guys who have been doing this a long time. A gentleman will roll up with a total original bike, and show another group of us people a restoration of the same bike. Thats when the reality sets in . From the the paint to the fenders to the vintage tires, and down to the charator in the decals from the time this left the factory. Yes! you can see it with your own eyes, the true breed in front of you.

          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Where to draw the line? posted by Rif on 4/8/2001 at 9:45:58 AM
As an example:
I have a 1966 Schwinn Typhoon Deluxe. It is original, but I added some accessories that although Period and correct for the bike are not original to this bike. The front and rear aluminum racks and the whitewall tractor tread tires. Then the lights and generator.
Due to this I call it a mild Kustom. I do this because I added parts that didn't come on this bike originally. In the late eighties there was a similar problem in the musclecar market. people would put the rare emblems and trim on a base model car and pass it off as the more desireable model.
more than a few people were stung this way.
That is why I really like this hobby. 95% of the people are fair and honest about what they have. You're going to find those shady few no matter where you go or what you do, as they are everywhere. But for the most part I think we're all in it for the love of the machines and for a time past when people were decent and took the time to stop and smell the roses.
And yes, if you look at an original sitting next to a resto. you will see immediately, the difference.
Good topic, I'm glad someone brought it up...
Take care,
Rif

          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Where to draw the line? posted by Cam on 4/9/2001 at 8:05:40 AM
Paint is what does it for me.
A feww period gee-gaws are ok becuase sometimes people bought those extras when they bought a new bike. But once you repaint it, it's a restoration.

          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Where to draw the line? posted by CatfoodRob on 4/9/2001 at 12:30:49 PM
I agree.if its your bike, you can do anything you want. The trouble only occurs when/if you come to sell it, and if you try to pass it off as something it aint. A similar discussion is going on over at the billboard, some dude is selling brackets to braise onto schwinn frames to turn them into " stingrays"... cool for customs, but fraud for resto, I guess its the buyers who have to be carefull... if its been painted, and its worth a lot of dollars, check its history, then check again before parting with cash. If you aint ever going to sell it, then custom it !!!!

          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Where to draw the line? posted by A Freind on 4/10/2001 at 6:29:34 AM
Hi Catfood Bob, This is a freind, wanting to know a little more about what you mean about these braces or brackets to weld on Schwinn frames. As I understand, Schwinn made cantilever frames. So with that in mind, what frames is he claiming to sell this product for? Then again, the only frame to come to mind is Fastbacks 20", speedster frames which are 26", and can't imagine some defacing a straight bar frame 20" or 26", or a DX Frame 20" or 26". The only thing that puzzles me is, your claiming he's selling it on the billboard site, I thought they were strickly original collectors on that site. I don't know, I don't have any buisness towards that way. All the information I aquire, is here at Old Rodes. I would think it would be a lot easier to buy a frame, rather than, buy the brackets, and the cost of the job it self".

          RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Where to draw the line? posted by Joel on 4/10/2001 at 7:20:03 AM
The item in question is a rear fender bracket to "convert" a single speed Stingray frame to a 5 speed. It is listed on EBAY. Someone posted the photo on the billboard, not to sell but for discussion. The seller is a long time Ebay user.

          RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Where to draw the line? posted by A Freind on 4/10/2001 at 1:09:10 PM
Thanks Joel, Thats all I wanted to know. A freind

          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Where to draw the line? posted by CatfoodRob on 4/16/2001 at 12:01:29 PM
Thanks for repliing on my behalf Joel...I ve never even seen a Stingray, of any speed, in " the flesh" `cos I live in the U.K. I personally would never try to fool a buyer, but I think the old saying " Buyer Beware " has some relevance to this discussion. If your buying a rare/valuable bike, do your homework, read books, whatever, but probably the best thing to do is find some other expert to come along with you to help identify the bike..... and making friends here on the internet is the the best way to locate tame experts !

          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Where to draw the line? posted by Joel on 4/17/2001 at 2:42:47 PM
I'm not sure what to think of this... On the one hand, stingray 5 speed frames are getting scarce and expensive for the customizer. I could see this being used for legitimate purposes. But if a bike is made to look authentic and sold (even if the buyer is aware of the modification), then someone, somewhere along the line is going to get burned. The seller seems to be promoting it for this purpose.




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AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Kustom 26" posted by: A freind on 4/6/2001 at 7:33:56 AM
Hi everybody, I have another prodject finialy done. This one took longer than I thought. Right when you think your done, another idea comes to me. This latest prodject is a 26" frame I came across in a trade. These two brothers needed a motor for there go cart. So with that in mind, you know the rest". For those of you who know the GT Kruisers, there's one that is yellow and black. Well, I did one for my self. This Schwinn frame was a 1980 Beach Kruiser. Since my son out grew his Schwinn Kustom 20", we needed another bike to ride with more leg length. I just need to get my film developed, and send it to Jim at Biker Rod N Kustom.

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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Kustom 26 posted by Rif Addams on 4/7/2001 at 10:04:07 AM
RIGHT ON! I anxiously await seeing the pic.s of your cruiser!
Do you feel like going into more detail as far as what mod.s you made (such as frame stretch, head tube rake, etc.) or do we have to just itch with curiosity until the pic.s are available? :-}
The weather around these parts is starting to get better so I can finally get back to working on the 'Phantasm' (1938 Elgin Twin-bar Kustom).
'Tis the season once again!
Keep on Keepin' on Friend,
Rif

          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Kustom 26 posted by A freind on 4/8/2001 at 8:57:13 AM
Hi Rif, Thanks for your intrest. I just got threw replying to Sams post and I for got to mention, thanks Sam for your reply". You know the weather hasn't been that great out here, so with that in mind it tends to prolong my work, and ideas come and go without a steady rythum. So I finally finished. This Kruiser is a Schwinn 1980 beach Kruiser. I took the frame and cropped it, and raked a 30 degree angle to the neck. I cropped the center post down to 13.1/2". Now I need to go pick up my pictures so I can send them to Jim. They should be done by now. But then again, when Jim can find the time with his so busy schedule, then we will see the finish product. At this moment I am going to help out a freind fix his flat on his Whizzer. In return for my labor, he's going to let me take it for a Sunday afternoon ride. So I will do my best to enjoy myself. Thanks for your reply. A freind

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