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AGE / VALUE:   Birmingham AMF Hercules posted by: Gralyn on 1/21/2010 at 2:00:38 PM
I've been trying to figure out my old Hercules bicycle. This is the bike I bought over 10 years ago - and it got me going on the old vintage bike thing. But, I haven't been able to figure it out exactly. I would really like to find out what the bike was originally, how it looked, how it was equipped, etc. But so far - I haven't been able to find it.
It has a lugged frame. The lugs look kind of filed-down - they are not real fancy, but they are not plain. The geometry is really relaxed, it fits 26 inch wheels very well. 27" wheels are close - but they do fit well enough. 700C's would probably fit better. Horizontal stamped dropouts. It has a brass-looking head badge - with Hercules, and Birmingham. It has been painted several times. I was trying to strip off some of the paint so I could re-paint it (over 10 years ago)....I was able to determine that it was originally black. I also found an AMF logo. But, I have not been able to find this AMF logo anywhere. From what I can recall - it was a round circle, with maybe a triangle....and maybe a star....and letters A....and M.......and F.......and it wasn't a sticker - it looked like a transfer, or paint. It has no braze-ons anywhere on the frame. It has a serial number on the back side of the seat tube, up near the top. It is numbers only (1728157).
I have had a few AMF Hercules bikes (10-speeds) - but they were Nottingham, and had foil decals....and had letters A,M,F spaced going down the seat tube.
So far as I know - just the Raleighs had the serial number on the back of the seat tube. Per the Raleigh serial numbers - it would date it to 1970. With it having the AMF logo - it would have to be no older than 1960. So, maybe it's a Birmingham Raleigh-made Hercules, distributed by AMF - and it was made sometime between 1960 and 1970.
But, I would like to see what it was originally. Single speed? 3-speed? 5-speed? 10-speed? I would also like to see this AMF logo. I really can't remember as it was over 10 years ago.....but I'm pretty sure it was a round logo with AMF in it. I haven't seen this logo anywhere.

If someone has a similar bike - or has a bike with an AMF logo similar to what I described - please let me know. I would like to see a picture of it. I have been searching on-line and I have not been able to find this AMF logo.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Birmingham AMF Hercules posted by Gralyn on 1/21/2010 at 2:34:05 PM
Oh, something else to add: It has fender eyelets on the rear drop-outs - just behind the axle......which was consistent with Raleigh-made 3-speeds.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Birmingham AMF Hercules posted by Joe on 1/25/2010 at 5:59:25 AM
Raleigh took over Hercules in 1960, the AMF distributorship deal was with Raleigh. So your bike is post 1960, Raleigh built. I'm not sure if some were still built at Birmingham or not, but I have a 1970 AMF Hercules out back that has similar markings as you describe. The common AMF logo is a water slide decal, a circle around a triangle with the letters AMF.
I've also seen some plain AMF triangle logos as well on earlier models. The foil decals are most likely late 60's to very early 70's.
All of these I've seen had Raleigh pattern fenders, long reach steel side pull calipers and 26 x 1 3/8" wheels. I've seen these in single, three, and five speed models. These were sold by retail stores not bike shops but were indeed British built bikes. They were on par with a Robin Hood, or any of the other many Raleigh built sub brands. Just about all of the AMF Hercules bikes I've seen after about 1967 had off white reflective tape bands on the fork blades and foil bands on the seat tube.
Got any pics?
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Birmingham AMF Hercules posted by Gralyn on 1/25/2010 at 7:55:05 AM
I have some of those Hercules bikes from the later 1960's....with the foil decals and reflective tape. But, I believe this one is a little different from those. It did have that AMF logo you described.
Mine was certainly made in Birmingham, no Nottingham.
Could you send me a picture of that AMF logo?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Birmingham AMF Hercules posted by Ari on 4/16/2010 at 12:13:12 PM
Hii im from indonesia Please i want info from my old bike cycle? the logo is The speed fittings birmingham! and frame number is 5089 please i want info how old this bikes! Thank yu so much^^


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AGE / VALUE:   Hercules ladies looped frame age? posted by: Robin on 1/19/2010 at 7:15:57 PM
Ive found a Hercules Bicycle which is missing alot of parts. The frame number seems to read AV 945..... It looks similar frame to ones ive seen from 1920,1940 ish.. but i was wandering if there was a way to date the frame.
there is only decals on the bike, no badges. the headstock has a Hercules, Britannia works decal ( not badge)

Any help would be appreciated
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules ladies looped frame age? posted by Robin on 1/19/2010 at 7:25:44 PM
oh i forgot to add that its a ladies looped style bike
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules ladies looped frame age? posted by Mr flippy on 3/25/2010 at 11:45:15 AM
bit of a waste of time posting on this site!.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules ladies looped frame age? posted by jj on 3/26/2010 at 3:38:49 AM
The rear hub might have a date code, but I'm not aware of anyone having Hecules frame codes. Try asking under the English Roadster topic.
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AGE / VALUE:   Pinarello Montello slx? posted by: Kent on 1/18/2010 at 10:57:11 PM
Does anyone know if there was an 1984 montello with the tricolor olympic version with the brake cable on top tube not internally routed? I cannot find one exactly like mine anywhere??????? It has the whole rear triangle chrome and chrome forks the serial # is MM236?????? help me determine model and worth
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AGE / VALUE:   Know more about posted by: phil ashton on 1/10/2010 at 8:51:35 AM
Does Any one know the year and value of the bicycle Kinetic made by British eagle. Any history would also be very handy.This is a road bike 14 speed Shimano group set ( lower end ) with Shimano hubs on Ridga Rims. Frame 531 Tubing. Thanks
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AGE / VALUE:   Interesting wheel posted by: Gralyn on 1/9/2010 at 10:49:36 AM
I was digging out some wheels - to see what I could salvage in order to build up a couple old frames.....I found this rear wheel with a Sturmey Archer hub and Rigida rim. The hub has a really high flange - with round cut-outs in the hub flange. The flanges were aluminum and the rest of the hub was steel. It was a 36 hole hub. The bulk of my old bike boom bikes have had 27 inch wheels with 36 spokes. All of which have been laced the same way - the same pattern: like a spoke goes over 2 other spokes, then under a third spoke, or from another view - it goes under 2 spokes then over a third. Well, this wheel is different: A spoke goes under 2 other spokes - then under a third.......or over 2 spokes and over a third. In other words - there is no lacing, or over-under thing going on. I have never seen a wheel built that way. I dug around and found another wheel just like it. I didn't find any front wheels made the same way, though. Some of the old hubs have oval cut-outs in the flange, some have a kind of triangle shape cut-out, and these have round cut-outs. I'm not sure what bike they came on.....maybe an old Raleigh GP....not sure. Does anyone have wheels like this?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Interesting wheel posted by Gralyn on 1/9/2010 at 12:06:50 PM
I dug around some more....and I found a matching front wheel. Same hub - but the flange seems to be slightly lower flange - but it's built the same way - and the same spoke pattern. Sturmey Archer hub, Rigida rim.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Interesting wheel posted by Gralyn on 1/9/2010 at 9:54:16 PM
....more digging produced 2 more of those rear wheels - but so far, only 1 front.....I bet if I keep digging, I will find at least 1 additional front wheel.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Interesting wheel posted by Warren on 1/10/2010 at 8:35:24 AM
Do you have a pic of these unusual hubs?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Interesting wheel posted by Keith Body on 1/10/2010 at 2:39:13 PM
Hi Gralyn
36 spoke wheels normally crossed 3. I always built light wheels with the top cross laced under, as was usual in France and Italy. I thought the wheels felt better while tightening. Some large factories would not have done this, extra 30 seconds on lace up time, risk of scratching the rim, and general use of thicker spokes. As you probably know in the 1960's I used to buy enough spokes for at least 200 wheels at a time.
Solid centre hubs were popular from the late 1930's. The solid centre could be machined very light, and be case hardened for the bearings without an inserted cup. In the UK British Hub co, Bayliss Wiley, BSA, and others produced hubs like this. By mid 1950's Fratelli Brivio were making hubs for Campagnolo in a similar way, but better, with hard chrome surfaced cones. Largely superceded in the 1960's by solid aluminium hub shells with inserted bearing cups.
Got any pics of your hubs? Probably too new for me.
Keith
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Interesting wheel posted by Gralyn on 1/10/2010 at 4:58:53 PM
Yes, these hubs are certainly bike boom items.....early-to-mid 70's. But they are interesting-looking....and the way the wheel is built...I just had never seen any like this. I'll take some pics of them.
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Interesting wheel posted by Warren on 1/12/2010 at 5:52:20 AM
I remember these now. Raleigh Grand Prix's and similar boom bikes had them for a short time.
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AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Spider lightweight 4 speed posted by: M. Dempster on 1/1/2010 at 6:19:31 PM
I have a 1953-55 era Armstrong SPider, it is painted metallic green, and has a spiderweb going up the seat tube with "spider" on it. It is 531, was a 4 speed derailleur, had GB brakes, stem & bars as well as an alloy cotterless crankset.
The dropouts are very lightweight as are the lugs - they are ornately profiled.

Can anybody identify the exdistence of an Armstrong Spider model? information of Pre-Raleigh Armstrongs is very hard to come by in the States. All I can find is the "Moth" info. The Moth framesets of the earlier era 1953-55 had straight lugs without any profiling...

Can anybody shed some light on this particular model ?

Thanks

M Dempster
Woodland Hills
California

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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Spider lightweight 4 speed posted by Keith Body on 1/2/2010 at 12:15:48 PM
Hi, Just looked at Martins Bikes, several Armstrongs, but only one of real quality. In the mid 1950's I sold quite a number of the best frames, like the red one with the Nervex Pro lugset. I could specify sizes and details, and any finish. David Duffield was running that side of Armstrong then, I knew him quite well. He got a well known Birmingham frame builder, Bill Gameson, to silver braze indiviual hand built frames. Very rare for a builder to use the pressed and welded Nervex fork crown, but they were very strong. There is a possibility that I sold the red one shown, as it has what looks like original parts, as assembled in my retail shop. I always used handlebar controls myself, and the stronglight (badged Milremo) steel cranks and TA rings were from Ron Kitching in Harrogate. If you wish to email me some pics of your Armstrong I will try to recognise what you have. Bear in mind I will say what I think, not necessarily what you want to hear. Is it possible the "Spider" is a third party decal?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Spider lightweight 4 speed posted by M. Dempster on 1/2/2010 at 10:55:28 PM
Here is what I know. This Armstrong was either purchased (or imported) in Southern California in the 1955 era. the purchaser was a rich kid on the block who became bored with it and gave it to my older brother, who liked his 3 speed Sturmey archer Raleigh better. (why, I don't know)
At 13, I needed a bike and my brother gave it to me. I clearly remember it having a white spiderweb down the seat tube. Perhaps it was customized. It was a medium
Metallic Green and had a Reynolds 531 decal, there was a flowing scipt "Armstrong"
going down the down tube..it had a 4 speed freewheel and a very damaged derailleur as I recieved it. .

55 years on, all that is left is the frameset and that was painted silver and stored in the rafters. During the 94 earthquake here in LA, it jumped the rafetrs and fell to the floor slightly damaging it. I just had it inspected by a noted frame builder who said not to worry...
I am bringing it back...and will ride it.
I took some good images today and they are quite large..
Perhaps I can e-mail them to you?

At Last, somebody with real knowlege about Armstrongs...All I have heard is that they were second tier bikes..I rode this as a single speed and it was very fast. I am 60 and ride a lot (Raleigh Pro, Rossin Record) I want to ride this lovely bike again - as a master craftman, I can do anything, including repair and respray, even make proper transfers if I have to..I will detail and restore the frame and hang Campagnolo NR on it with some good sewup wheels..


Feel free to e-mail me at
mdempster@earthlink.net and I will send you an overall shot with some telling closeups.Be advised they are large images - I will drop them to 800 X 600 to take it easy on your server.
Best,

Thanks

Mike Dempster
Woodland Hills, California
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AGE / VALUE:   OLD SR Aero frame posted by: Jim Sullivan on 1/1/2010 at 2:03:22 PM
Anyone know anything about a 1980's steel lugged SR that was produced with oval tubing, Shimano drop-out,cable guides on the underside of top tube, Shimano 600 AX grouppo..HELP!
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AGE / VALUE:   Could somebody give an age to my Royce Union?? posted by: Elliott on 12/30/2009 at 2:08:26 AM
Hello All,
Thanks for taking the time to look!

(Short and Sweet: I want to know the model name and age of my Royce Union bike at the link below.)

The Serial Number is below.

(I have swapped out the handle bars for the ones you see in most pics- but I keep everything!?

(Long Version)
This past summer I purchased a Royce Union 3 speed road bike at a local thrift shop. It's in great shape! It could use a cleaning and tune up, but looks good and rides well. I am new to the hobby of bicycles (& bicycling) and wonder if anyone might be able to help me put an age on this bike!
I have spent a fair amount of time looking for info on my own, but am not sure which resources are best and have had little luck in finding an answer. From what I have found it seems that this bike is from the mid 1960s. I am hoping the serial # will yield a more specific date.
Here is a link to my Flickr page with a number of photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/34767893@N08/4224212745/in/set-72157613466850918/

**NOTES**:
I also have taken note of everything I could find written anywhere on the bike (There are photos of all these at the link):

-Serial #: IR96361 (stamped on the seat pillar)

-Handle Grips: each read "3.3.3. Three Speed Hub"

-Brakes: F/R each read "Crossbow 260W"

-Nose of the bike: (above badge)it reads "Safety Tested(?)"
(below badge)it reads "Precision Engineered(?)"
(the badge itself) reads "Union Cycle Company LTD., Royce Union, Made in Japan"

-Axels: (Fr.) reads "S.I.W, made in Japan"
(Rr.) reads "3.3.3., Three Speed Hub F, U.S.A. Pat. 3021728
(I did find that this Pat# was filed 7-21-59 and granted 2-20-62 by Keizo Shimano: http://www.google.com/patents?id=vWteAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA2&dq=3021728&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q=&f=false )

-Rims: each read "Araya 26x1 3/8 w/o"

-Tires: "26x1 3/8, The Special IRC Tyre, Made in Japan, (includes a host of Japanese characters to follow)"

-Reflector: (The only one on the bike- Red, circular, approx 2" diam.) reads (on lens) "SAE-B68 stratolite 52"




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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Could somebody give an age to my Royce Union?? posted by Warren on 12/30/2009 at 4:43:20 AM
My best guess is about '64. The twist grip, paint job, drop bars and paint scheme all "smell" like that approx. time frame. It looks like a Raleigh clone or rebrand of the early 60's, but it isn't. It's a Japanese club bike. Nice condition to boot.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Could somebody give an age to my Royce Union?? posted by David on 12/30/2009 at 8:50:48 PM
It isn't a club bike. It's a clone of an English Sports meant for the export market; English Sports were selling well in the States at that time and the Japanese wanted some of that market. Even the name, "Royce-Union," is a try at a very English-sounding name. It's probably a better bike than its prototype, however!
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Could somebody give an age to my Royce Union?? posted by Warren on 12/31/2009 at 12:50:21 PM
I should have said pseudo club bike...there were a number of examples of Sports models in the late 50's that were marketed as intro level "club bikes" with mudguards, fixed gear drive trains, EA1 rims etc. Here's an example....http://tinyurl.com/ybjlp2r
They had more in common with a Clubman than a 3 speed roadster. Just splitting hairs here.

Anyway, Happy New Years to all of you.
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AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Le Tour posted by: Kevin on 12/28/2009 at 4:42:13 PM
I may be posting in the wrong section so sorry....I just picked up a 1974 ladies Schwinn Le Tour in very nice condition. It is completely original including a generator and tail light head light combo that says Schwinn approved on it. I am curious what a bike like this is worth. Other than a few minor scratches on the top tube it is pristine. Thanks.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Le Tour posted by David on 12/30/2009 at 8:45:05 PM
Check Ebay for similar bikes. A mid-level women's model is not likely to sell for big bucks.
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AGE / VALUE:   Chrome Schwinn Lightweight ? posted by: Terry on 12/28/2009 at 12:40:45 PM
I found what appears to be a chrome lightweight bike. Head tube badge is missing however there are 2 screws in the head tube holes one on top of each other spaced apart like a Schwinn. Has a Bendix rear sprocket with 3 red stripes on it. The aluminum seat post clamp has A S on it. The seat cloth is gone, but does have white padding on the saddle. The front fork has a bear claw fixture over a small spring the width of the fork. The fork has a chrome elliptical cap. Chrome frame, chain guard, & fenders. Single speed bike. Chrome rims 26" . Any info on this bike would be appreciated.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Chrome Schwinn Lightweight ? posted by Tim on 12/30/2009 at 5:46:04 AM
Do you hava picture? 3 red stripes would mean a 2 speed kick-back hub. Does it say anything on the brake arm? What kind of frame does it have? A picture is worth 1000 words.
Tim
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AGE / VALUE:   Nishiki Competition posted by: Gralyn on 12/26/2009 at 3:11:35 PM
I got a Nishiki Compeition today. I know very little about it - but from what I can tell: per serial number - it must be pre-1975....maybe 1973 or 1974. The frame is double-butted ChroMo, chrome 1/2 fork and chrome 1/2 seat and chain stays, forged dropouts, diacompe center pull brakes, alloy seat post, alloy randonner bars and stem, alloy wheels with Sunshine QR hubs, alloy cranks with alloy chain rings 52/48 teeth. 5-speed rear cogs.

What kind of bike was this? With randonner bars, and eyelets for racks - it makes me think more touring or sport touring. But with this 52/48 chain ring - makes me think more racing. With the exception of the old late 50's/early 60's Hercules bikes I've had with the 1/2 step gearing.....this is the only bike I've seen with that close tooth count on the chain rings. I have a 52/44.....but most I have are 52/42, 52/40, 52/39....and some newer stuff with 53/39. I haven't taken it apart yet - so as to find date codes on components (I have taken out the seat post - but no date code....and I pulled out the stem - but did not see any date code.
If anyone has any information on this particular model - please let me know.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Nishiki Competition posted by Keith Body on 12/27/2009 at 8:38:49 AM
Hi Gralyn
When I started racing in 1950, my fairly advanced gearing was 47/50 with 13-15-17-19-21. If you have perhaps 14-16-18-21-24 or 25 then you have 10 useable gears with spacing around 5% to 7%, which is about right for a decent light bike. Get used to changing both at once when the ratio is critical. We generally kept off the most out of line gears. The more modern way with 12-13-14-15-16-17-19-21 and 53-39 means you only need a double gear change once through a series of gear ratios.
I still prefer the early system.

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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Nishiki Competition posted by Gralyn on 12/27/2009 at 10:17:19 AM
So maybe they geared the Nishiki Competition with racing in mind?
I just remembered that the '71 Schwinn Sports Tourer I had came with 54/40, or it could have been 54/39....but I believe it was 54/40 and with a really large range of 5 cogs in the rear - which seems more suited for touring. Maybe the Nishiki Competition was an entry level racing bike?
I'm not sure what I will do with it: If I go more toward the racing side - I will swap out the stem shifters for down-tube shifters - and I will replace those brake levers (with safety levers) with period-correct dia-compe single levers with hoods. Or, if I go more non-racing style - I may change it to bar-end shifters, maybe go with a 52/39 chain rings, and leave the original brake levers on.
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Nishiki Competition posted by Warren on 12/28/2009 at 5:16:17 PM
I think that gearing is reflective of the criterium style of racing where granny rings and small gears were unnecessary. Not that the frame is a true crit bike, have brazeons and slacker geometry...

Nishiki made some sweet bikes though.
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Nishiki Competition posted by Gralyn on 12/28/2009 at 7:12:04 PM
The frame does have a relaxed geometry - not indicative of real racing.....also, with the eyelets for racks - it also indicates not a true racing bike. I think when I get it completely rebuilt, cleaned, polished, etc. - it's going to look really good!
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AGE / VALUE:   Head Tube / Head Set size posted by: Gralyn on 12/15/2009 at 8:10:35 PM
Does anyone know approximately what year most bike manufacturers went to the 1 1/8" head tubes / head sets? They used to be mostly 1" - but then sometime they went to the 1 1/8.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Head Tube / Head Set size posted by Warren on 12/15/2009 at 8:30:59 PM
Hey Gralyn...the mid 80's saw the first onset of 1 1/8" headsets in the mtn bike market. My first "mudsucker" had a 1 1/4" headset in '89. Road bikes using oversize headsets followed soon after but 1" still owns the market, I think.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Head Tube / Head Set size posted by Gralyn on 12/16/2009 at 12:47:12 PM
I have a couple road bikes from up in the 90's.....maybe 94 or 95 - but they still have the 1" headset. I have a mountain bike from 1997 - and it has 1 1/8". I know most everything now is for 1 1/8.....stems, carbon forks, etc. I'm just wondering how new of a bike I would have to find for it to have a 1 1/8" headset.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Head Tube / Head Set size posted by Joe on 1/25/2010 at 4:19:57 AM
I would say the same. Somewhere around 1997 I started to see 1 1/8" on brands like Fuji and Giant on the road bikes. But MTB bikes had larger sizes as far back as the mid to late 80's. It started with the higher end models and migrated its way to the lower lines over the course of a few years.
I've seen some real low end stuff still using 1" steer tubes.
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AGE / VALUE:   Bianchi Specialissima posted by: Ryan Fong on 12/11/2009 at 3:14:21 PM
I've got an old Bianchi Specialissima, I believe, but I'm trying to find-out more about it, including trying to date it. I think that it is probably a late 60's model. With the exception of the wheels, seat and chain, I believe it is all original. Markings on the down tube are barely visible, but it has a brass colored Bianchi shield with red on it. Campagnolo Gran Sport derailer, Ambrosio "Champion" handle bars, Universal Model No. 61 breaks. The number 160415 is stamped on the frame, just below the seatpost. What allows one to differentiate the model years? I believe my father acquired it used either in the late 60's or very early 70's.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bianchi Specialissima posted by Ryan Fong on 12/11/2009 at 3:46:35 PM
Forgot to mention that the bike pump mount is on the down tube, rather than on the seat post tube. Bike is black with portions on seat post tube and near rear wheel unpainted. Lettering for Bianchi is in white, and there is a oval Campagnolo decal on seat post tube just below top tube with a yellow border that has lettering in it and Campagnolo in white on the blue background with its globe symbol. There is also a bigger Bianchi decal that has the Bianchi bird on it in a golden color and what appears to be Eduaro Bianchi across the middle of it. Same gold paint is used near lug joints. 5 gears on rear cluster ranging from 14 to 21 teeth. Chain rings on crank have 52 and 47 teeth, respectively.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bianchi Specialissima posted by David on 12/14/2009 at 6:24:21 AM
I'm no Bianchi connoisseur, but see...
http://classicrendezvous.com/Italy/Bianchi/bianchi_main.htm
(& you might subscribe to the email list at classic rendezvous)
and try searching wooljersey.com for bianchi
Good luck.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bianchi Specialissima posted by Monty Pinson on 12/19/2009 at 9:35:36 AM
If you will email me pics I can probably help with the identification of your bike. I have 3 Bianchi's - One each from the 50's, 60's, 70's and have done a considerable amount of research on the bikes. The Universal 61 brakes date it into the 60's atleast because the were issued in 1961 through the 70's, thus the nomenclature of Universal 61. It sounds more like possibly an early 70's model. Most Bianchi's have Specialissima next to the Bianchi downtube decal except I have seen some 70' models that did not. My email is montypinson@yahoo.com.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bianchi Specialissima posted by Monty Pinson on 12/19/2009 at 9:37:25 AM
If you will email me pics I can probably help with the identification of your bike. I have 3 Bianchi's - One each from the 50's, 60's, 70's and have done a considerable amount of research on the bikes. The Universal 61 brakes date it into the 60's atleast because the were issued in 1961 through the 70's, thus the nomenclature of Universal 61. It sounds more like possibly an early 70's model. Most Bianchi's have Specialissima next to the Bianchi downtube decal except I have seen some 70' models that did not. My email is montypinson@yahoo.com.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bianchi Specialissima posted by Robert Working on 1/26/2010 at 9:48:29 AM
I have a 61cm 1964 Specialissima which I purchased new. The serial number at the top front of the seat tube is 164053. I believe this indicates: 1 for Specialissima, 64 for 1964, 053 for frame sequence number.
I have upgraded the drive train to an Ultegra 9-speed triple but still have most of the original components except wheels. I rode this bike on the End-to-End (Land's End to John O' Groats) in the U.K. in 2006. It is awaiting restoration (the fork has a cracked steerer tube).
My email is rdworking@msn.com
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bianchi Specialissima posted by Stephan Bianchi on 5/15/2010 at 10:51:40 PM
I concur with Robert that the second two numbers denote the year. I also have a Specialissima (60cm) purchased in '64 ser. no. 164145. I had a 160XXX that had the older brass badge, steel cranks with an integrated spider and 3-piece campy hubs. I'd prefer a 63cm with original parts, but the one I have now came as a frameset only.



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AGE / VALUE:   Viscount Aerospace - need help posted by: Gralyn on 12/10/2009 at 8:49:07 PM
I got another Viscount Aerospace. (The one I've had for years didn't have the "death fork" when I got it - and it had regular threaded bottom bracket cups.) The one I recently acquired has the "death fork", and it has the pressed-in bottom bracket bearings. It must be an older model than my other one.
The bottom bracket spindle is the square-tapered, hollow-type, that uses bolts to secure the crank arms. I tried to retro-fit a crank onto it......it went onto the spindle - but not very well, and in no way was it at all remotely a snug fit. It was very wobbly on the square tapers. I thought I might install a bolt - and see if it would snug onto the spindle. Well, it doesn't look that any spindle bolt I have will fit it. The bolt starts to thread into the spindle - then it gets really tight, really quickly. I cleaned it out inside, etc. - but it didn't help. It's like the size, or thread is not correct for this spindle. I tried lots of different bolts - everything I could find - but nothing would work. It's like either the bolt needs to be slightly smaller diameter, or it is a different thread count. I know if I try to apply a lot of torque - I will probably ruin the spindle - and I certainly don't want to do that.
I thought maybe it might be a different type of size/thread? Like maybe it's an English thread size? It may be the original spindle. I think maybe it is - but it has had the bearings replaced.......so I suppose it retains the original spindle...it looks to be the original from pictures I've seen.

Does anyone know what size bolts should fit it?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Viscount Aerospace - need help posted by Keith Body on 12/11/2009 at 11:56:17 AM
Hi Gralyn, I never aspired to a Lambert, so have no direct memories. The bracket spindle would surely be case hardened, so you might shear off a tight bolt. I would have thought that they would have made the bolts 5/16" x 26, as a standard cycle thread. Metric 9mm is larger. If you have a set of drills you could use the shanks to get a fairly good measure of the clearance hole. You might have a bolt that will slide in to use as a thread gauge, also check the length of the hole. Of course if there are no cranks to fit it's all a bit academic. If you give me the clearance hole size I will consult my books, if I can find them.

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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Viscount Aerospace - need help posted by Gralyn on 12/12/2009 at 6:47:20 PM
I tried to figure out my bolts. A 5/16 was too large, a 1/4 was too small. It must be like a 9/32. I did manage to find some chain ring bolts that I believe came off the crank set of an old Raleigh. The bolt heads were 7/16 - so I thought that the threads might be non-metric. But, the problem was that the bolts were way too short. But, when they go in - they are really, really loose (of course, this would correspond with how the modern Shimano bolts will go in a short distance - before they get too tight). But after those latest bolts I tried get past that - then they seem to fit really well. But, just after that point - I run out of bolt - because they are way too short. If I can find some longer bolts in that size - then I should be able to make it work.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Viscount Aerospace - need help posted by David on 12/15/2009 at 9:30:32 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if they're BSC ("British Standard Cycle"), which are not so easy to find at a hardware or even bike store these days. Does McMaster-Carr have them?
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Viscount Aerospace - need help posted by Gralyn on 12/15/2009 at 8:10:27 PM
Well, I found some bolts that were the same size as the one 7/16 head bolt that had come off a Raleigh. The one on the drive side screwed in OK - seemed snug. But the one on the other side - was like too small. Well, I ended up just carefully trying a standard spindle bolt - and I was able to make it work.
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AGE / VALUE:   Western Flyer 1970 's posted by: Renato Catanzaro on 12/7/2009 at 10:38:52 AM
Western Flyer,Fairway Flyer model 1970'S fair condition,3 speed shimano,26' Kenda tires,synchron brakes what is the value,nicks and scratches,minimum rust,3 speeds in good working condition the bike is rideable
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Western Flyer 1970 's posted by David on 12/9/2009 at 9:26:44 AM
Look at similar bikes for sale here. WF will probably bring lower price than a similar Raleigh. If the WF is Asia-made, less than that, most likely.
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