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AGE / VALUE:Giuseppe Bianchi - Brev. Campagnolo posted by: SR on 12/5/2009 at 5:14:16 PM
We're trying to determine the age of a Giuseppe Bianchi bicycle with a Brev. Campagnolo frame:
Decal on the frame has a red fleur-de-lis, reads: Giuseppe Bianchi Firenze, Via Nazionale, I_o Costruzione Velociandi
Frame stamped M3218
No model name on frame; Italian flag design says "MADE IN ITALY"
Rear dropouts stamped "Brev. Campagnolo".
Color: red with black&white trim
Chrome frame lugs, chrome fork ends and chrome rear dropouts
ttt handlebar stem (style is early 1960's)
Cottered cranks
Frame measures 22 inches from top of the crank to top of the seat post tube
Measures 21 inches from the center of the crank straight up to the top tube
Stand over height 32 1/4 inches
Distance from the center of the seat post tube to center of stem tube in centimeters 56cm
Original handlebars (thin cotton wrap) and original seat
Balilla center pull brakes and brake levers
Huret front derailleur
Suntour frame mounted shift levers
Suntour Vista Rear derailleur
Original 27-inch alloy wheels
Gnutti hubs and quick-release levers
The only age indications I've found are the thin cotton handlebar tapes (similar to seam binding used in sewing, not the heavier herringbone cotton used in the 70's) and the ttt stem style being from the early 1960's. Giuseppe Bianchi led the company for a limited amount of time but I don't know what years. Also the location of the factory was at Via Nazionale in Firenze (Florence).
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RE:AGE / VALUE:���Giuseppe Bianchi - Brev. Campagnolo posted by Warren on 12/7/2009 at 2:41:52 PM
Detalied pics are needed. Many parts have been swapped out so who's to say what's original.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:���Giuseppe Bianchi - Brev. Campagnolo posted by David on 12/8/2009 at 9:21:17 AM
I'd like to see the headbadge. I've only seen bikes marked Eduardo Bianchi; I had no idea there were some with another name on them.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Giuseppe Bianchi - Brev. Campagnolo posted by SR on 12/9/2009 at 3:02:26 PM
Please provide your email address if you want to see the picture. Thanks.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Giuseppe Bianchi - Brev. Campagnolo posted by SR on 2/8/2010 at 5:47:27 PM
History: Betamotor has always been connected with the history and evolution of life on two wheels. The company was founded in Florence in 1904 under the name "Societ Giuseppe Bianchi", for building handmade bicycles. At the end of the 1940s, with the changes that had taken place in Italian society and the development of motorised transport, the company switched to motorcycle production. The simple expedient of attaching an engine with a roller transmission to one of its bicycles, a typical example of Italian creativity, resulted in the first motorbike produced by the Tuscan firm.

The two men who ran the company, Enzo Bianchi and Arrigo Tosi, joined their initials to form the brand-name Beta, and the companys bikes have been sold under this name ever since.

From information posted on: http://www.betamotor.com/en/company/history
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RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Giuseppe Bianchi - Brev. Campagnolo posted by SR on 4/5/2011 at 9:48:34 AM
Pictures of this bicycle are now posted on VeloBase.com
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Giuseppe Bianchi - Brev. Campagnolo posted by Keith Body on 4/12/2011 at 3:20:29 PM
SR, just looked at this, from what i can see it could be a fairly low end bike from the late 1950's. Mostly cheaply equipped. I can't see any "hand crafted".
Close up pictures of the seat cluster, bottom bracket and fork ends could help. Also the diameter of the seat pin (may be stamped on it) can help define the quality of the tubing. How the chrome plate has lasted I can't imagine, 2 years here in the UK would have seen it off.
And the handlebars are the usual 2 inches too high up.
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AGE / VALUE:anvers velos posted by: kurt on 12/5/2009 at 2:20:32 AM
Does anyone have and info on a data base for Avers Velos bikes?? I recently bought a 1940ish bike and am looking to research the serial number. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks
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AGE / VALUE:Old Schwinn Catalogs posted by: Gralyn on 12/4/2009 at 8:08:01 AM
Does anyone know what happened to the old Schwinn Catalogs? I had a link to the 1980 - 1990 catalogs, and a link to the 1991 - 2000 catalogs. The link to the 1991-2000 still works - but the link to the 1980-1990 doesn't:
(http://www.trfindley.com/flschwinn_1980_1990/

I refer to these all the time to help identify old Schwinn bikes - but the other day, the one link would not work. I thought it just might be a temporary thing - but it's been several day now - and still no catalog.
Does anyone know of another source of old Schwinn Catalogs?
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Old Schwinn Catalogs posted by ken on 12/4/2009 at 8:38:53 AM
Gralyn, it's working for me this morning. Looked at the price list for 1981. My URL doesn't match yours:
http://www.trfindley.com/flschwinn_1981_1990/index.html
but I am worried about this too. The Schwinn Lightweight Data Book already went down, and if we were to lose Tom Findley's site we'd lose a lot. Maybe Vin could be persuaded to archive the catalogs and price lists!
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Old Schwinn Catalogs posted by schwinnderella on 12/4/2009 at 7:45:46 PM
Here is a temporary location for the Schwinn Lightweight Data book.It is not complete but nearly so.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Old Schwinn Catalogs posted by schwinnderella on 12/4/2009 at 7:47:15 PM
Forgot the URL
http://www.velobration.com/sldatabook/cover.html
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AGE / VALUE:need info!` posted by: satania on 12/1/2009 at 10:03:35 PM
i just got my hands on a Super Cycle Twenty, made in england-
it looks completely original . seat cover, brake cabels and levers (but ones busted), rims,gooseneck handle bars, crank, pedals and it has no dents, decent original paint job,...

is it worth anything, should i restore it and frame in, or make use of its last lives>?

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RE:AGE / VALUE:need info!` posted by Warren on 12/2/2009 at 8:47:22 AM
It's a Raleigh Twenty, rebranded as a Canadian Supercycle but otherwise identical. They're popular and a fun ride...personally I'd tune it up, replace the brake lever, wax the original paint and ride it.
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AGE / VALUE:bicycle value posted by: heidi summers on 12/1/2009 at 12:30:37 AM
Hi i recently got a road king porta 3 #000618 made in hungary bike... is it worth restoring? does anyone know the value for something like this?/ any help would be appreciated
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RE:AGE / VALUE:bicycle value posted by David on 12/1/2009 at 9:12:46 PM
Most east Euro bikes that made it to the west are very cheap. If the bike is actually good, but just has a name that says "cheap," then it might be worth fixing up.
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AGE / VALUE:1937 Ward Hawthorne Aluminum Frame posted by: Keith on 11/30/2009 at 4:25:20 PM
I just got this bike that has been in a shed in Montana for the last 30 or so year. I plan to fix it up sometime but I am wondering about it's value and any other thoughts anyone has on it. I looks cool to me!


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RE:AGE / VALUE:1937 Ward Hawthorne Aluminum Frame posted by David on 12/1/2009 at 9:11:05 PM
Put an appropriate search in ebay that will email you when one of these is found. Watch the auction and see what it fetches. It looks very interesting, but whether there is collector interest with $$$ is another Q.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:1937 Ward Hawthorne Aluminum Frame posted by schwinnderella on 12/2/2009 at 7:27:12 PM
Made by Monark Silver King for Wards.They are cool but this is a fairly common model.Likely not worth more than a couple hundred as it is.
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AGE / VALUE:Moser frame serial Q posted by: Tom on 11/27/2009 at 6:20:57 PM
I have a moser frame (lugs are definately moser) of unknown columbus tubing.

There is a frame numberon the near side of the BB: 6R55A

Possible to garner anything from this frame serial? I've emailed moser to no avail (yet).

Thanks
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Moser frame serial Q posted by Keith Body on 11/28/2009 at 9:34:38 AM
Hi Tom, I will have a look at mine tomorrow, do you have the cut-outs under the bottom bracket.
Very rare for cycle makers to record serial numbers other than for dispatch invoice identity, and guarantee, not important enough to keep on file. Your number does look more like a lug makers number though.
Any chance of a few close up pics of the frame?
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AGE / VALUE:Discovered Today! posted by: Larry on 11/26/2009 at 6:20:13 PM
Today I had the honor of helping my GF clean her storage locker. To my surprise I found a very nice Italian Pogliaghi, a Zeus frame with components and a Legnano frame. I sure could use some help to ID these and determine value. I could not locate a seriel# on the Leganao frame and it does not have the emblem Ive seen on others. Any help?? Larry
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MISC:Cinelli Mod.B and SC posted by: Tony on 11/26/2009 at 8:26:22 AM
Can anyone enlighten me about the differences between these two models Cinelli SC and Cinelli Mod. B-both 50's versions
I've read about them in many sites but still can't understand few things for example:
This collection from the link ...
Both models look pretty much same to me.. except the fork crown ..


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RE:MISC:Cinelli Mod.B and SC posted by Keith Body on 11/27/2009 at 11:56:02 AM
In the UK these were imported by Ron Kitching of Harrogate.
1955 to about 65 I sold a number of them. The model B (UK) I only ever saw in green, the super corsa was orange.
SC had 531 tubing, and an inconvenient 74mm bottom bracket width, and sloping fork crown. The B was some cheaper tubing, I think plain gauge. Both rigid and responsive frames.
We used to cut about 3mm off each side of the bracket shell to accomodate any cotterless chainset.
If my memory can be trusted?

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RE:RE:MISC:Cinelli Mod.B and SC posted by Tony on 12/4/2009 at 7:59:51 AM
Thanks for the answer..
But it seems that there are SC models without sloping fork crown..like this one >>


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RE:MISC:Cinelli Mod.B and SC posted by Keith Body on 12/4/2009 at 11:54:22 AM
Hi Tony, Is the track frame a super corsa? Possibly Pista? I think I only sold one of these, excellent sprint frame, but no sloping crown on the round forks.
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AGE / VALUE:Vintage Cannondale ID... right bike wrong lettering color? posted by: Ivona on 11/25/2009 at 6:33:48 PM
So I got me a lovely vintage cannondale. According to the serial number, her production date was in October 1986. Her head badge is the little house by railroad track logo, dated 83-89, and her slate grey color was only distributed in the 1987 catalog for those possible years.

She looks exactly like the 1987 team comp sr400 (pictured here, on page 13: http://sanaandterry.com/cannondale/year/1987/1987.pdf ).

With one difference: The lettering/headbadge is not pink, but white. She also doesn't have the words "team comp" printed on her seat stay, which those did. But her housings came pink, like the picture, and looked pretty old.

So her components/color are all the same as the picture states, except for the following:

pink logos - mine were white

Tange Nova headset - mine is shimano 105

White Vetta Mundalita Saddle - Mine was a black Selle Anatomic

My bar tape had been changed to neon pink, so no idea what she came with there, and I'm not sure how to id the fork but it looks the same as the picture.

I looked through all possible years in the catalogs and out of every possiblility the 87 catalog's team comp sr400 had the most similarities, with only these differences.

her serial number says that her sequence number is 115.

Did they switch these around a bit when they came out? Customize them maybe? Paint other models their color? Could she be a different bike? Others were similar, but not AS similar as the team comp. The mismatched components were standard on some other models, but not listed for this bike. The slate grey color was only in the 87 catalog. And although there was an SM model that had the slate grey w/white letering, but the frame is completely different.

Also, the stamps on her rear drop outs are: KT, SM (what the meow... I hope that wasnt refering to a frame model), and KP in a circle respectiveley. There is also a little patent number on her seat stay.

Sorry to drone on with all this useless info, as you can probably tell I've been trying to ID her for a while now... Could she be this bike even though she doesnt match completely???




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RE:AGE / VALUE:Vintage Cannondale ID... right bike wrong lettering color? posted by Gralyn on 11/25/2009 at 9:26:46 PM
Those bikes were available without custom graphics. I'm not sure what the extent of "without custom graphics" means. It could mean that instead of the graphics and pink lettering - it only had white lettering. It's also possible that some of the componentry was replaced over time. Not at all unusual that a saddle has been replaced.....or even a headset....and bar tape will last about a year.
I have an 87 or 88 SR500 in white with red (dull-red, almost looks pink). It was all original when I got it - but I made some changes: Swapped out the fork for a more sleek-looking one, with threadless steerer tube - so I had to change out the head set (which was Shimano 105), new saddle, new red bar tape, swapped out the white cable housings for red ones, put red tires on it.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Vintage Cannondale ID... right bike wrong lettering color? posted by Warren on 11/27/2009 at 9:52:15 AM
Many, many Cannondales were built up from the frame only by bicycle shops everywhere. An R-400 and an R-500 had the exact frame specs so I usually compare the road bikes by generation of frame...CAD2, CAD4 etc. Even bikes built up by Cannondale had variances, the same model of 1996 T-1000 could have Coda or Deore XT cranksets...Coda or Diacomp cantilevers...American Classic or Synchros seatpost, etc etc.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Vintage Cannondale ID... right bike wrong lettering color? posted by ivona on 11/27/2009 at 10:22:49 AM
Ok, thanks! Yea what threw me off was all the other ones I looked up looked exactly like the catalog, but it makes sense that maybe a shop built her up with a different part here and there... and she just didn't have the "custom" graphic of pink lettering.... I plan on selling her eventually and I needed to know if it was a good idea to list her as an sr400...

She's a cute bike! I am changing her out to matching yellow components for her pedals, bottle cage,brake hoods, interrupter brakes, sidewall tires, housings, and saddle/post, and I also switched out her stem to a nice tall one. Her name shall be Lutesca for all the yellow! Maybe I will post a pic when she's done
:-)
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MISC:Raleigh Grand Prix Mondia posted by: HJ on 11/24/2009 at 11:55:26 AM
Not mine an interesting concept, Mondia being Swiss bikes, classic rendez had one example of a paint job http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-RALEIGH-GRAND-PRIX-MONDIA-LOOK-ALIKE-RESTORED_W0QQitemZ230402589279QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRoad_Bikes?hash=item35a510825f as this seller is apparently reaching for.

item # 230402589279

Never thought of that, a whole new dimension...
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RE:MISC:Raleigh Grand Prix Mondia posted by Warren on 11/24/2009 at 8:05:27 PM
Never put that much work into a frame without a decent pedigree...don't ask me how I know that!
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AGE / VALUE:please help someone must know........ posted by: Rebecca on 11/23/2009 at 10:27:00 PM
Can someone please tell me something about an old child carrier for a bicycle.I found this in the back shed and am after any info anyone has........please go to google and do an image search for an Indian princess bicycle and you will see the child seat this is all I could find...many thanks
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RE:AGE / VALUE:please help someone must know........ posted by David on 11/24/2009 at 8:06:57 AM
It's hard to imagine anyone collecting old child seats (but who isn't surprised by such things?) and I'm sure new ones are a lot safer than old ones. So... I'd remove the seat and use the bike!
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AGE / VALUE:road racing bicycle frame posted by: john barron on 11/23/2009 at 1:17:40 PM
ihave an old racing bike frame that i would like to identify it was powder coated black when i got it so i havent much to go by other than the frame number 81535 located on the rear left dropout it has a ta crank set and nice designed lugs it has no built in rear deraillier carrier would appreciate any help


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RE:AGE / VALUE:road racing bicycle frame posted by David on 11/23/2009 at 1:59:13 PM
You're gonna have to store your photos somewhere and provide a link to them. This site doesn't host your photos.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:road racing bicycle frame posted by Keith Body on 11/23/2009 at 2:08:23 PM
Hi John, Your picture link is not complete. If you can post a link to several close pictures of lug work, fork ends etc, we might be able to see what you have.
Identification of lightweight frames from small builders is not easy, because most (many hundreds) had access to the same components. Very rarely were frame numbers thought to be important. A lot of small builders put the frame number under the bottom bracket, and typically used the first 2 to indicate year.
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AGE / VALUE:1989-90 Lotus Espirit 12 speed posted by: mike pida on 11/13/2009 at 6:33:21 PM
I have a much loved and still ridden Loyus Alum with shimano 600 group from 1989-90. Teal Green Triathalon series. Does anyone else have one of these anywhere???
Never seen or heard of another
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RE:AGE / VALUE:1989-90 Lotus Espirit 12 speed posted by Greg on 11/15/2009 at 9:54:24 AM
I have silver Lotus Odessey I bought new in '81. Rode it to work this morning, in fact, I ride it to work work at least 4 days a week until the roads are salted. Splits commuting duties with a fixie Shogun & a DL-l. 600 Brakes, SunTour Cyclone derailers.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:1989-90 Lotus Espirit 12 speed posted by kieth nielsen on 5/25/2010 at 5:44:08 AM
this bike is around 26-30 years old what are these Lotus bikes at a price range.
I's there any way to find serial number
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FOR SALE:1973 kabuki hilltopper t-15 posted by: dave brooks on 11/13/2009 at 1:42:57 PM
touring bike. front-rear racks. front bag, two saddlebags. cannot find another one. i have only used 9 out of 15 gears and this thing fly's. have been told by gentleman that knows about this particular type of bike that it is worth quite a few dollars! i love this bike but it might have to go.
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