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AGE / VALUE:Shogun Road Bike posted by: Gralyn on 11/9/2009 at 10:00:58 AM
I have heard of the Shogun brand throughout my years of collecting and working with old bikes - but I never had one - or even seen one. Well, I picked one up yesterday at a thrift store. It's pretty low-end. I couldn't find any days on the components.....it does have a serial number stamped under the bottom bracket. It has top tube braze-ons for the rear brake cable routing - but it has no other braze-ons at all. Not even for the rear derailleur cable stop. Stem-mounted Shimano shifters, Shimano steel brakes with safety levers, steel bars. But the brake calipers looked to be decent (shimano alloy side-pulls). Steel bolt-on wheels, High-Tensile steel frame.
Does anyone know of a resource / database for decoding the serial numbers?
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Shogun Road Bike posted by greg on 11/9/2009 at 12:52:56 PM
If you head over to Bike Forums there is a post dedicated to Shogun serial #'s. I have a late '80's double butted chromeMoly frame (69cm) with brake cable routing & the derailer stop but no derailer cable guides or derailer hanger. 42" wheelbase, real relaxed tube angles. Currently running as my fixie but down the road I see it as a touring bike.
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AGE / VALUE:Olmo age? posted by: Larry T. on 11/6/2009 at 2:54:03 PM
Another photo of my Olmo decals.


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RE:AGE / VALUE:Olmo age? posted by Warren on 11/6/2009 at 9:29:24 PM
Looks like a late 60's/early 70's Olmo with the Balilla brakes, dimpled steel rims, chrome bits, foil decals, steel hub etc. It's typical of the bike boom era and unfortunately doesn't have a lot of value.
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AGE / VALUE:Age of my OLMO? posted by: Larry T on 11/6/2009 at 2:29:32 PM
I just bought this Olmo and am trying to determine an age. I cannot locate a serial number, nor can I locate and photos of an Olmo with the same decals.


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AGE / VALUE:lambert posted by: troy on 11/6/2009 at 2:39:36 PM
i recenly came upon an all original lambert profesional lightweight bicycle complete with original death forks. the spokes are a little rusty but w cleaning will look new. i was wandering how much it is worth its white and orange with the gold stickers.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:lambert posted by David on 11/8/2009 at 4:29:50 PM
Look at ebay completed auctions. The top-of-the-line Lambert/Viscounts, while interesting, were not in the same league as the bikes that collectors salivate for. I doubt that one in very good condition would bring more than a couple hundred.
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AGE / VALUE:Death of Johnny Helms Cycling magazine's cartoonist posted by: Chris on 11/5/2009 at 4:40:54 PM
We have lost a dear friend. Cycling magazine's cartoonist who drew Baz and Honk, Johnny Helms has passed away. See the Cycling magazine website for details.
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AGE / VALUE:gimondi posted by: john on 11/4/2009 at 8:19:09 AM
just got a gimondi ten speed from scrap yard.
has nice chrome lugs on front-wheels are shot and every thing else looks
generic except simplex front derailure is steel type.
has stickers on frame saying something about tour de france and cyclo cross
i think this was low end for gimondi and was most likely made as a cheap export
should i build back up and ride or sell it as is.i will post a few pics if there
is a need for ID purposes-sticker on top tube sez 1965 but i think that was just in recognition of felice gimondi s racing achievments
any info would be appreciated thanx in advance
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AGE / VALUE:William Jayne Bikes posted by: Jim on 11/3/2009 at 3:35:00 PM
Regarding the 2003 archived post re: William Jayne road bike on this page:
www.oldroads.com/arch/LTW2003_9_2911_14_40_AM.html

Robert asked if anyone knew anything about William Jayne bikes, but apparently no one did at time. William Jayne was a frame builder and built his last frame in 1979. He was trained by some of the best in the industry at the time.

I would like to reach Robert and provide him with additional information on William Jayne and his bikes, and possibly get a photo from Robert, if he still has the bike. Problem is the email links are apparently deactivated with some/all of the archived posts. Does anyone know Robert, or know how I may locate his email address?

Thank you for any info/suggestions you may have.

Best regards,

Jim
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AGE / VALUE:   1971 Masi Gran Criterium posted by: Randy on 11/3/2009 at 5:15:11 AM
I recently found a 1971 Masi Gran Criterium that was made in Verona, Italy. The bike was a miserable mismatch of components and has been repainted. The frame and fork set is in very good condition with no bends, dents or damage of any kind. I was wondering what such a frame set would be worth. I ask because the bike is almost too small for me. Since I do like to ride my bikes, the Masi just might have to go


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RE:AGE / VALUE:   1971 Masi Gran Criterium posted by David on 11/3/2009 at 5:54:07 AM
Check completed auctions on Ebay. Masi GCs come thru fairly frequently, but you'll have to consider all the differences between them such as repainting, original parts, age, etc. I'd be surprised if your bike didn't sell for over $1K. Looks nice, luckily too small for me too. (Can only see pic if logged in to bike forums)
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AGE / VALUE:1963 FW Evans Track Bike Value? posted by: Steve on 11/2/2009 at 10:31:36 AM
a nice vintage track bike with beautiful lugged frame.
the components are Shimano 600, Mavic wheels, nothing too fancy... but the frame is real light for the age and it's definitely well made... Curious what kind of value this bike has... thinking of selling?

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RE:AGE / VALUE:1963 FW Evans Track Bike Value? posted by David on 11/3/2009 at 5:56:43 AM
Old track bikes do well on ebay and Evans should be attractive. Look at completed auctions for track bikes. Good presentation (esp good pictures) and luck play a large role in the actual price!
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RE:AGE / VALUE:1963 FW Evans Track Bike Value? posted by Steve on 11/3/2009 at 11:57:27 AM
Thanks for the reply!
Will give Ebay a shot.
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AGE / VALUE:Hanging on to what? posted by: Tony Colon on 10/31/2009 at 9:29:55 PM
I have been holdin gon for sentimental reasons to a "Proteus" with Reynolds tubing, about 35 years old, with Campagnolo 90% thorughout in good condition. Is this thing worth anything, as far as Vintage and so forth>
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Hanging on to what? posted by Gralyn on 10/31/2009 at 9:53:05 PM
It should certainly be worth holding onto. Especially, if it holds sentimental value, and certainly if you would like to ride it some! It should also have value.....not sure how much - but I believe it is a make that would hold value, and increase in value through the years. You might could check ebay and such - and maybe see what they have sold for, etc.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Hanging on to what? posted by David on 11/1/2009 at 9:34:29 AM
There's not a lot of Proteus out there. There is a small but devoted bunch of collectors of old high-end hand-made bikes and your bike is worth something to them. Maybe it doesn't have the cachet of a Herse, Jack Taylor, or Cinelli but it's very respectable. Clean it up and ride it and you'll be surprised at the compliments you get from riders of modern plastic bikes. You'll get a lot of pleasure out of its desirable riding qualities, too.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Hanging on to what? posted by David on 11/1/2009 at 10:30:55 AM
A coincidence or is this your bike on Balto CL?
http://baltimore.craigslist.org/bik/1446160647.html
Very nice bike, looks like a good deal for a tall guy (wish I had the $$$).
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RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Hanging on to what? posted by Warren on 11/1/2009 at 6:31:04 PM

a bargain!
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RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Hanging on to what? posted by Warren on 11/1/2009 at 6:44:57 PM
...Except that the hubs are not NR....maybe Tipo?

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RE:AGE / VALUE:Hanging on to what? posted by David on 11/2/2009 at 8:15:56 AM
The front hub (can't see rear) has the oval holes of the Record hub, not the round ones of the Tipo. It looks all-correct to me. And why is it still for sale on Monday morning??!! (Maybe I can skip my tax payment and buy it!)
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RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Hanging on to what? posted by Warren on 11/3/2009 at 11:03:55 AM
Ahhh they looked round but as you say they are oval. Trick of the eye, or photo.
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AGE / VALUE:Flea Market Rescue posted by: Tom on 10/30/2009 at 11:04:55 PM
I rescued an oldy from a local flea market, just couldn't stand to see it sitting outside in the weather anymore and I needed something to do with my free time. I would like to see if anyone has any information on this brand of bike. Not worried about the value of it, but I would like to get a general idea of the age of the bike and any information of the maker if possible. It is a Mariella with foil transfers that also say Velox Super Sprint on the Seat tube along with a Made in Italy sticker above it. I do not see a sticker indicating the type of metal used in it but the main frame has a nice ring to it when you tap it, rear frame and forks sound dull. Parts that I can identify are Campy Valentino front and rear derailleurs and shifters, Freewheel says Caimi Castano Italy, 27" Wheels are chromed and say SanRemo made in Italy, brakeset is Balilla centerpulls with the script letters, riser says FG Italy, and the Pump Brackets are REG. I don't see any name on the chrome cottered crankset, only markings is a 52 in a circle on the large gear. No markings that I can see on the Headset or the handle bars. Frame is Lugged with long pointed lugs if that helps. I will get some pictures of the bike tomorrow if needed, but it was raining off and on here today.

Thanks in advance.


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RE:AGE / VALUE:Flea Market Rescue posted by Phil on 3/31/2010 at 10:54:43 AM
I have what may be the same bike. Purchased from a LBS in Pennsylvania back in 74 or 75. Rode it for about two years, then moved on to a 67 Firebird :). Last year, I pulled it out of the garage, cleaned it up, adjusted, and started riding again. I put on maybe 500 miles before losing the freewheel. Another few hundred later and I'll probably need to replace the fork and cranks. Still trying to decide whether its worth it.

I also have been trying to locate info on it, with very little success. If you still have the bike, I'd be interested in any pictures you have.
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AGE / VALUE:C.Itoh posted by: Gralyn on 10/29/2009 at 6:20:25 PM
I bought a C.Itoh. I've never had one before. It's kind of a weird bike. It looks really low-end. Steel Rigida rims, Steel Shimano hubs with bolt-on axles, steel bars, steel seat post, Dia-Compe brakes, and levers with safety levers, Steel cottered crank set. High Tensile butted steel tubing.

The weird stuff: Seat post.....I took out the binder bolt, and twisted the seat - but the seat post didn't budge. So, I tightened the seat really good - and tried it again.....still the seat twisted - but the post didn't budge. So, I thought I would just take off the seat - then take measures to free a stuck seat post. After removing the saddle, I saw this bolt on the end of the seat post. Ahah! I loosened the bolt - just like on a handlebar stem - and the post came loose and I removed it. It had a wedge at the bottom of the post - just like a stem. Weird! So, I thought I might just replace the post with a regular one. But, I noticed that the seat binder is not a binder at all. It's built like a binder - but it's not split - so you can't use a regular post with it.

Another weird thing: The cable routing for the rear derailler....instead of the typical bolt-on cable routing, or the brazed-on type, or even the ones underneath the bottom bracket.....it had a tiny little wheel mounted to the side of the tube - and the cable runs over the wheel.....kind of like on old 3-speed bikes.

Well, I stripped the frame of all components - and it sure is heavy. Heavier than most typical high-tensile steel frames I have experienced. It had a bicycle license on it that expired in December of 1975 - and I found a 1974 date on some of the components. So, I suppose it's a 1974 or 1975 model. From what I can tell at this early stage - the finish seems to be in decent condition for something that old.

I hope the bottom bracket isn't anything weird - because I would want to replace it with a square tapered and use alloy cranks.
I think I may build it into a single speed fixed gear bike.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:C.Itoh posted by Vin on 10/30/2009 at 3:44:37 AM
I bought one brand new at Lechmere Sales in Cambridge, MA in 1972 and rode it for 15 years.
Does it say "Precision tested finest engineering" (or something like that) on the down tube?
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RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:C.Itoh posted by Gralyn on 10/30/2009 at 5:06:42 PM
Mine has the same information in big letters on the down-tube. I don't know what it means - but they wanted everyone to know it!
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RE:AGE / VALUE:C.Itoh posted by David on 11/1/2009 at 9:37:12 AM
If the precision-tested finest engineering isn't obvious from the bike itself, merchants like to make the claim!
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RE:AGE / VALUE:C.Itoh posted by Steve on 11/3/2009 at 11:43:47 AM
Sounds like they may have used the same frame for both 3- and 10-speeds. If you're not put off by the weight, it might be neat to take advantage of that pulley by making it into an English club-type 3-speed.
There were a vast number of these bike-boom low-level 10-speeds built. Most of them had distinctly underwhelming characteristics - but many of them still had long careers as basic transportation.
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RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:C.Itoh posted by Gralyn on 11/3/2009 at 8:08:59 PM
Wow! I just discovered more interesting information about my C.Itoh: The frame lugs.....they kind of look like lugs - but they aren't actually the typical lugs you find on a 10-speed. It almost looks as thought the frame tubes are maybe glued into the "lugs", or joints. I don't know how the tubes are attached. But, for some reason....I decided to get out a magnet.....the tubes are steel. The lugs, or frame joints, are not steel! The magnet does not stick to them. Now, I have an early Raleigh aluminum bike and a Miyata aluminum bike.....both have aluminum tubes with steel lugs. This much older bike may have steel tubes and aluminum lugs! Is this weird or what?
I've cleaned it and polished it (frame, that is), and re-built the head set and installed a square tapered bottom bracket spindle. I will probably make it into a single speed. But this is quite an interesting frame.
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RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:C.Itoh posted by Steve on 11/5/2009 at 1:53:21 PM
This reminds me of an odd Sekai I encountered '1980. It had natural-color stainless steel tubes that fitted into bulky flat-black lugs. All the owner could tell me was that he had bought it at an Army PX in Germany.
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RE:AGE / VALUE:C.Itoh posted by Rob on 11/7/2009 at 11:56:32 AM
I have a C.ITOH for sale: $135. Good condition. Contact me right away if interested. Rob
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RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:C.Itoh posted by R on 5/2/2010 at 11:17:43 PM
Here's my C. Itoh. I just got it 3 days ago at a yard sale for $15. I put a little work into it and some new tires. I would like to change out the freewheel to make it a little more hill friendly but it's a comfy cruiser as it is.


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RE:AGE / VALUE:C.Itoh posted by CJ on 6/12/2010 at 8:44:56 PM
I just picked up a 70's model and have the same seat post set up as Gralyn. I removed the saddle and found two nuts and a washer on a long threaded stem coming up through the middle of the seat post. after removing them, i tried to pull out the tube but it didn't budge. tapped it a little just in case and nothing. i was wondering if the post just slides out or is it threaded at the bottom as well? right now i don't know if i should be twisting it or pulling it. I'm new to bikes but this one is quite interesting. Any other tips about these would help. thanks
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RE:AGE / VALUE:C.Itoh posted by nm on 5/4/2011 at 3:52:41 PM
just pop it good with a rubber mallet. i just picked up the same ioth as this picture above. it was hard to get out for me too.
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AGE / VALUE:Team Raleigh Record posted by: Gralyn on 10/26/2009 at 9:12:06 AM
I bought a Team Raleigh Record last week. I paid too much for it - but not really.....it just feels that way to me - considering what I usually pay for bikes. But also considering that only the frame, stem, and bars were the only things I will salvage....it does feel like I paid too much. Anyway, all indications to me are that it is a bottom-of-the line Record - painted in team colors. I did some research - and there were Team Raleigh Records made with 531 tubing - but I believe they had Campy dropouts and at least 1/2 chrome forks. Mine has stamped dropouts and fully painted fork. Also, per the components - I would say it's just a regular Record made with 20/30 tubing (the frame sticker has peeled off). It has steel cottered cranks, steel bolt-on wheels, steel seat post, mattress style saddle, Simplex ders, stem-mounted shifters. It has a serial number on the bottom bracket shell - and I was able to determine it was made in January, 1975 at the Worksop factory. I cleaned it up as best as I could, and polished it up - and considering its age - it doesn't look too bad. Because of the Team colors, and the half-way decent finish, and the appearance of quality of the frame construction - I'm planning to build it up with some better components - but still old (1970's) stuff: Alloy wheels, alloy cotterless cranks, alloy seat post, ......and I haven't decided whether to build it as a single speed fixed gear - or a 10-speed.....
Does anyone have one of these - or any experience with them? Am I correct that it would be just a Record painted with team colors?
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Team Raleigh Record posted by David on 10/26/2009 at 5:00:13 PM
Record painted with team colors, I'm sorry to say. I'm not positive, but its threading may be 26 tpi, which would pose some difficulties upgrading the BB or headset.
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RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:���Team Raleigh Record posted by Gralyn on 10/26/2009 at 8:19:01 PM
I was able to locate a square-taper bottom bracket spindle which was the same bearing length as the original spindle for cottered cranks - so I have already installed an alloy crank set. (Sometimes the old spindle is much wider, between where it holds the bearings, than the square tapered spindles I have on-hand)
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AGE / VALUE:old Raleigh Cranks posted by: Russ S. on 10/23/2009 at 11:21:03 AM
I've been thinking about getting a vintage bike and I've been reading as much as I can on quality and parts. My questions are, if the bike isn't that old, 1968 or newer, do I have to worry much about bad cranks or bottom brackets. I've read people hate cottered cranks and want to replace them, but, is that really necessary. I want a bike that runs smoothly and it fun. If I do end up with a bike circa, 1969, will I likely end up sinking lots of money into it? I can afford only a few hundred, is my concern. Thanks
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RE:AGE / VALUE:old Raleigh Cranks posted by Gralyn on 10/24/2009 at 6:43:30 PM
If you are looking to spend a few hundred bucks - you have quite a choice of older vintage bikes - mostly higher-end without the old cottered cranks. If you are interested in bikes from around 1970 and up - you probably don't have to worry about cottered cranks. However, if you look for older....back in the '60's and beyond....you may end up with a bike with cottered cranks. Other than the extra weight of the cottered cranks - they should operate smoothly - and not give any problems (if installed properly). I would suggest you try to find something from the very late 60's or early 70's - with cotterless cranks. You should be able to find something really nice without difficulty.
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AGE / VALUE:Dunelt posted by: Jonas on 10/15/2009 at 11:38:46 AM
Hi!
Found and bought a Vintage Dunelt in great condition. I post here because I think it would be nice to here if someone have some information abut the bike and the brand Dunelt. I have googeld but didin´t find much usefull information.

Spec:
Ram: Reynolds 531
Hubs: Campagnolo record, 5 speed
RD: Campagnolo Gran Sport (1 st or 2 generation)
FD: Campagnolo
Brakes: Weinmann
Crankset: Williams
SSaddle: Brooks Swallow leather
Rims: Weinmann 630 mm
pedals: Campagnolo
Headset: Campagnolo
Handlebar: GB
Stem: GB

So if anyone have some information, please post.

Jonas
Sweden

(via Matthew - not in Sweden)
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Dunelt posted by Jonas on 10/15/2009 at 11:50:18 AM
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RE:AGE / VALUE:Dunelt posted by Warren on 10/15/2009 at 1:34:50 PM
I think it's an excellent find. It's likely early 60's.Very similar to the Raleigh Gran Sport of the day with a few differences. They had Dunlop HP rims and GB Coureur brakes as well as a lamp bracket on the fork. The Swallow saddle is a sweet bonus. A unique classic lightweight!
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RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Dunelt posted by Chris on 10/15/2009 at 6:21:52 PM
Popular brand especially in the midwest. Was originally dunford and elliot before Raleigh bought up the original company the name is found on 28 inch wheel rod brake roadsters, where the bike has a D shaped fork crown different than the tubular fork crown as famous and found on the Raleigh bikes, is found on 26 inch wheel city bikes, the name was used by Raleigh who created the bike you have. Don't disrespect the dunelt name if somebody tells you they are offering you a dunelt don't assume it is a common 26 inch wheel black painted 3 speed bike because this bike is also a Dunelt and others as nice and nicer still are out there however this one is about at the top I have to run, i will review a book and add to this post more so check back in a few days
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RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Dunelt posted by Gralyn on 10/16/2009 at 5:14:08 AM
All of the Dunelts I ever saw were the middle-weight type 3-speed bikes. I didn't even know they made the racing type lightweight. This really is a great find you have. I will certainly pay more attention in the future when it comes to a Dunelt.......you just never know.
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