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AGE / VALUE:   Luciken Michard posted by: Drinkslinger on 8/26/2009 at 8:34:45 AM
I just picked up a Lucien Michard road bike that's in pretty rough shape and would like to find some info on the bike. I'm not really concerned with value but would like to know if it's a good candidate for restoration. Componentry is totally shot but had Huret derailleurs and dia-compe brake levers along with Nervar cranks. I know it's probably an entry level bike but I can't find any info on these bikes at all. Anyone got anything?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Luciken Michard posted by Rod on 8/26/2009 at 1:25:00 PM
You must be baiting us, we all know who Lucien Michard was here.

Michard won Olympic Gold in the 1924 Paris Olympics, the same Olympics by the way, that is in the movie "Chariots of Fire."

http://www.cyclezine.net/2009/06/16/le-cyclisme-sur-piste-%E2%80%94-vitesse/

Sounds like a good find. Must have been a line he was involved with.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Luciken Michard posted by Drinkslinger on 8/27/2009 at 3:23:21 AM
Not baiting you... I also know who HE was... I'm looking for info on the bike. He apparently marketed bikes under his own name after retiring from racing. There are no serial #s(at least none that I've seen), only a decal on the seat tube with WC stripes and the two globes he used as a logo. Judging from the components I'd say late 60s to mid 70s as I'm not the most reliable rusty component authority.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Luciken Michard posted by Jimb on 3/18/2011 at 5:49:18 PM
If this is a live thread, look at the steering headset, at the top. I can't remember if its on the right or left side. Only a few numbers. I recall one having just two numbers.
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MISC:   Gitane Tandem, Converted with a high chainwheel for a child to pedal posted by: Rod on 8/23/2009 at 5:43:40 PM
I want to write down a description of a Gitane Tandem, maybe one of the most remarkable bicycles I've seen.

A yellow tandem, double and a father was with his little girl riding it. His daughter must have been 4/5 years, around that.

He put the crankset for his daughter to pedal up on the top tube I think, so it would be in reach of her pedalling sitting in the seat ( http://www.thetandemlink.com/Images/russellquad.jpg for the sake of illustration, not my photo), I wish I had had a camera and then, I think he actually had two chainwheels on each side of his crank set, so in fact, their were chainwheels on both sides.

You could see some lumber up near the little girl's/the second seat to place the chainwheel she was pedalling up there.

Any comments on such an operation is welcome.
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           RE:MISC:   Gitane Tandem, Converted with a high chainwheel for a child to pedal posted by Rod on 8/23/2009 at 6:05:52 PM
Here is a photo of a tandem with an elevated crank and pedals on the 3rd seat of a triplet tandem. Otherwise, it doesn't bear much resemblance to the bicycle I saw but see it can be done and surely, some here more knowledgeable have seen this done before. Kind of nice.


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           RE:RE:MISC:   Gitane Tandem, Converted with a high chainwheel for a child to pedal posted by Rod on 8/23/2009 at 6:16:50 PM
Ok, the photo http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_hSZo5vjiPmQ/SAkP_sDHWrI/AAAAAAAAClw/ul5VtascqXg/s400/bike_sale_tandem_leo_mar_2007.jpg if I have it correct, is just a double seat, not a triple.
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           RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Gitane Tandem, Converted with a high chainwheel for a child to pedal posted by Rod on 8/23/2009 at 7:19:22 PM
It's a double seated tandem in the picture from the second post. Doesn't affect the question on hand however. My error.
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           RE:MISC:   Gitane Tandem, Converted with a high chainwheel for a child to pedal posted by David on 8/24/2009 at 4:11:09 AM
It's clled a "kidback" setup and they're fairly common. I think you can buy complete kits and there are many homemade setups too. It seems like a good way to get your kid riding at an early age.
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Gitane Tandem, Converted with a high chainwheel for a child to pedal posted by Rod on 8/26/2009 at 1:47:39 PM
Hello David: Thanks, that's very helpful. That is a wonderful innovation.
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MISC:   Sears Instructions/Parts List posted by: Laurie Collins on 8/23/2009 at 1:44:00 PM
We're cleaning out Mom's house and found General Instructions and Parts List for Sears European Lightweight Bicycles. Mens red & ladies blue 26". Model #'s 503.473821 and 502.473921. Also have Operating Instructions and Parts List for Sears 3-Speed Hub and Shift Control Handle. Both in very good condition. Also have hangtags from bike re: gear shift adjustment and pedal information. Does anyone have a use for these? I hate to throw them out. Please e-mail: lookinnorth@i2k.com
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AGE / VALUE:   peugeot bicycles posted by: omri on 8/23/2009 at 4:44:13 AM
hi,
i got my hands on an old peugeot bicycles, and i was hoping you could tell me what's their model:
simplex 3 speeds, weinmann double levers, record du monde logo, "sport" written on it.
the bicycles look like an old red race bicycles, but they are originaly customized with a rear baggage holder, rear and front wheels covers, a dynamo on the back with the wiring going through the frame to the front light, and a bell - there are peugeot logos imprinted on all of these so i don't think they were add-ons.
does any one have a clue what it could be and worth?
thanks!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   peugeot bicycles posted by Rod on 8/23/2009 at 6:39:31 AM
A few places you can start researching it yourself:

http://retropeugeot.com/

http://www.peugeotshow.com/

There are probably more places. The ol' 3 Simplex 3 speed cogs on the back.

Peugeot also made some bikes in Canada but having the 3 speed on it probably denotes a pre-1970 bicycle and before they made them in Canada.
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AGE / VALUE:   peugeot bicycles posted by: omri on 8/23/2009 at 4:44:13 AM
hi,
i got my hands on an old peugeot bicycles, and i was hoping you could tell me what's their model:
simplex 3 speeds, weinmann double levers, record du monde logo, "sport" written on it.
the bicycles look like an old red race bicycles, but they are originaly customized with a rear baggage holder, rear and front wheels covers, a dynamo on the back with the wiring going through the frame to the front light, and a bell - there are peugeot logos imprinted on all of these so i don't think they were add-ons.
does any one have a clue what it could be and worth?
thanks!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   peugeot bicycles posted by Rod on 8/23/2009 at 6:43:53 AM
So, you are certain it's a Simplex THREE speed: I know they made those with THREE COGS on the back.

Anyway, with what you describe, that is not going to be any cheap sale.

I've seen more modern Peugeots (1970s) sell over $200 starting price with the lights set up... what you have sounds possibly more vintage. Peugeot Tourers sound a lot like what you described. Headlight on the front fender they usually have.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   peugeot bicycles posted by Keith Body on 8/25/2009 at 12:39:18 PM
Hi Omri, Peugeot made literally millions of bikes, most frames were in the "racing style", angles etc. Bikes like yours were standard commuter bikes in France, which rode rather better than the popular British roadsters. The alloy rims are about 19 ounces each, against steel at 32 ounces. Are you sure the gears are 3 speed, these went out in the early 1950's.

The French mass production makers used lug sets similar to the racing bikes, because they cut the tubes with 2 straight cuts, whereas Raleigh would have 1 straight cut. This means the down tube would be closer to the head tube, (under the lug) allowing the lug pattern to be more cut away. The real hand made bikes would have tubes that joined under the lug. If you were able to peel away the lugs, the hand built frame tubes should still be joined.
Hope this makes sense.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   peugeot bicycles posted by Lisa on 9/8/2009 at 7:12:59 PM
I have two old peugeot bikes...where do I find out what the model is and what they are worth....? one is yellow and one is orange....
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AGE / VALUE:   Imperial Red posted by: joanie on 8/22/2009 at 6:44:52 PM
Can anyone tell me about this bike and what it might be worth? It has an Imperial sticker. (ignore the canoe pic)


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Imperial Red posted by Warren on 8/23/2009 at 3:49:06 PM
The link doesn't work. CCM made an Imperial in the 60's?
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AGE / VALUE:    posted by: joel on 8/22/2009 at 5:45:15 AM
Looking for these mudguards (see photo)
Bantel Bar "50" aluminum with beaded center and edge. Front only or a set.

oldbikecollector(at)yahoo(dot)com

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2001-11/5529/ClaudeButlerFen.jpg
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Warren on 8/22/2009 at 11:12:28 AM
If you can't find them then the Bluemels Airweight is a worthy and very similar replacement...

http://oldroads.com/oldroads_files/329_17.jpg
http://oldroads.com/oldroads_files/329_18.jpg
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Rod on 8/22/2009 at 4:16:37 PM
Since you didn't put in your email, watch this space until Tuesday. All I'll say. No back, mebbe front.

Did your front have a black mudflap at the bottom of the front fender/mudguard??
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Rod on 8/22/2009 at 6:34:43 PM
Warren, one would need to hunt down those kinds of Bluemels still though, would they not?? If they are readily available, they'd be the way to go. they certainly are very similar.

Back to Joel, I had the back fender / mudguard once crater on me and they are very attractive things. The back fender had some sort of decal on it, not the "Bartel" logo on it. The fender/mudguard stays sure look familiar and though aluminum, I'd think the silver grays of a two different pairs would still not quite match. I do believe I kept the front one and I need to go to my storage in the next few days. They are a rather fragile aluminum; especially when steel fenders are basically easily bendible.
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Warren on 8/23/2009 at 8:59:41 AM
Rod...I'm just suggesting that they will be easier to find since they were made in greater numbers over a long period of time.

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WANTED:   Looking for Club Grips for 1930s Raleigh posted by: karl on 8/21/2009 at 10:53:26 AM
Hi, Looking for a pair of Club style grips for a 1930s RRA. The Constrictor made ones that are on the bike have dried out. It seems Hilary Stone or Pete Paine had some reproduction ones a few years back. Any help appreciated.
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MISC:   1982 Concord - Hirame? posted by: CLancy on 8/20/2009 at 11:14:53 AM
I got a sweet deal on this Concord and I want to know more about it. Unfortunately (or fortunately) the only details on the frame are the Concord Headbadge, the word "Hirame" (Japanese for flatfish) and a "made by Kuwahara" in Japan sticker. Any info on this bike? I am familiar with the Kuwahara Factory, (I recognized the seat cluster) but the only reference to "Hirame" I have found is about what I think was a Kuwahara Factory race team. No tubing label on this one either. Don't have the S/N with me, but I do know that it was stamped on the seat tube as opposed to the BB/other locations. Pics:

http://s98.photobucket.com/albums/l252/clancy98/bikes/concord%20hirame/


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           RE:MISC:   1982 Concord - Hirame? posted by Warren on 8/20/2009 at 4:01:24 PM
Nice bike. It isn't a team race bike with the mudguard and rack braze-ons. I'd call it a a mid to high end sports-tourer....one of those Japanese production bikes that will last forever if taken care of. Really funky seat binder!
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           RE:MISC:   1982 Concord - Hirame? posted by CLancy on 8/21/2009 at 6:02:45 AM
Oh yeah I didn't think it was a race bike. I was just happy to get something other than low-end parts for $50! I need to find a shorter stem to make the bike fit me a bit more. I found replacement hoods (the ones in the pics are crumbling) but in black. It rides so so nice and its completely silent!

The other things I like about it (and I was new to seeing them) was the chain hanger and the spare spoke braze-ons. I have an old pump but its not nearly long enough to fit in the pump pegs. The seat cluster from what I understand is a Kuwahara signature. I am not digging the saddle, but now that the turbo is re-issued I may grab one of those!
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           RE:RE:MISC:   1982 Concord - Hirame? posted by Gralyn on 8/21/2009 at 1:45:21 PM
That is an awesome-condition bike for its age. It sure does have a long-reach stem - it makes my back hurt just looking at it. If you don't find a shorter stem anywhere around your area - I do have a couple just plain Nitto stems that are considerably shorter.
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           RE:MISC:   1982 Concord - Hirame? posted by David on 8/21/2009 at 2:17:08 PM
That's one t-a-l-l mother! I'd turn the bars down, so you can actually work the brakes, though.
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           RE:MISC:   1982 Concord - Hirame? posted by CLancy on 8/24/2009 at 8:29:28 AM
Yes, since I got it I have changed out the sylvan's and toe-clips for just some flat comfort-pedals, since I am on and off it alot without bike specific footwear. I also swapped the bar for a modern (gasp) ergo bend road bar with a little bit shorter reach. It's tough with older brakes to get a good compromise between hood riding position and pbrake reach, but I am in the drops most of the time anyways.

Since it's a pretty nice frame and there is not much to be found about specifics, I think I may strip it and send it off to the painter for a refresh. I have always wanted a frame in that robins-egg blue that you see so many '57 chevy's and bel-airs rolling in. Or that classic pale-yellow/white.

Here is another tall one I ride -- the first real resto I ever did. Akwardly positioned saddle so I could ride it. I always seem to find the tall ones...


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MISC:   Columbia 500 men's 3 speed posted by: Dale Cochran on 8/19/2009 at 12:58:18 PM
I have a men's Columbia 500 Sport 111.The #P075532.I can not find any info on this.If anybody knows please post.
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AGE / VALUE:   serial # id help posted by: Mike on 8/16/2009 at 2:19:13 PM
i've got an old bike I'm trying to identify. It's from 50s-60s and has serial #mou 2lxl5 808503. It has bike tank with light switch but missing light. tank split apart in a 'v' with rivet at bottom. It has komet super on wheel hub. Any help is appreciated.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   serial # id help posted by David on 8/17/2009 at 11:40:03 AM
As noted below, this discussion area concerns "10-speeds." I think you'll find more expertise in the "middleweight and ballooner" area, but I'm doubtful that the serial number is going to lead to much info. Good luck.
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AGE / VALUE:   English three spped Bicycles posted by: Brofig on 8/14/2009 at 8:17:28 AM
I have several bikes from years past. and would like to sell them to someone who will appreciate them. Any informati9on or comments will be appreciated.

#1 Vintage Women’s Bicycle - Hercules three speed. It is an English lightweight, made in England. - Blue - As best I can determine it is a late 1950’s or a 1960 bike.
Has full fenders, chain guard, light, bell, streamers, and original seat in good condition. It has Sturmey Archer three speed hub and control. This bike has come out of storage and has not been touched up, has the same tires, dirt etc.

#2 Vintage Men’s Bicycle - Savoy three speed - Red - Made by Union Cycle Company Limited in England. Sun tour three speed hub, original seat in good condition, has full fenders, chain guard etc.

Questions:
1- should I clean them up ( some say let the buyer clean them up?)
2 - should I fix them up? put on new tires etc. before I sell.
3. - how is the best way to know what a fair price would be for each of them.
4. I can e-mail pic's to anyone who is interested on seeing them.

I think the Hercules is probably worth more, has more accessories like light, bell, streamers on handlebar grips etc.

any suggestions or comments will be appreciated.

does anyone know of a better site for english three speed bicycles?

thank you in advance,

BroFig


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   English three spped Bicycles posted by ken on 8/14/2009 at 10:50:38 AM
1. You will find the 3-speed experts on the Roadsters page of this site (lightweight usually means 10-speed). There is no better-informed group on the web IMO. But they mostly don't bother with this page.
2. Cleaning, lubing and replacing tires shouldn't do any harm. Three-speeds are in demand again. Good luck with sales.
3. SunTour 3-speeds were made briefly in the 70's by Sturmey-Archer, according to Frank J. Berto in "Sunset for SunTour"
Hercules made their own hubs until the Raleigh org bought them out in the fifties. The S-A hub sets an age limit for the Herc. You can date the hub. Read
http://sheldonbrown.com/english-3.html
then get back to us!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   English three spped Bicycles posted by brofig on 8/14/2009 at 6:05:43 PM
Thanks Ken,
I've posted it on the roadsters discussion group as well.
I haven't rode a bike for sometime and am lost on all the new types available.
73 so don't want to get into any complicated fixing up and I'm in an apartment.

thanks again
Brofig


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   English three spped Bicycles posted by Rod on 8/16/2009 at 6:57:06 PM
Real nice collection!
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AGE / VALUE:   PLEASE HELP ME!! CONFUSED ! posted by: Jasmine on 8/13/2009 at 6:32:24 PM
I am VERY confused at the YEAR my vintage AMF Roadmaster Skyrider was made. I have done extensive research online, but there is nothing! None of the same models pictured online looks like mine. IT IS A 26'' BLUE AMF ROADMASTER SKYRIDER WOMEN`S CRUISER BIKE, with the Skyrider painted decal on the tank frame, and chain cover. No markings except the AMF faded decal below the seat, and an Excel brand metal piece on the front tire. Can someone tell me more about it? The model year? It appears late 50s, early 60s likely. BLUE AND WHITE SKYRIDER. THANKYOU.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   PLEASE HELP ME!! CONFUSED ! posted by Cliff on 8/13/2009 at 8:40:42 PM
Does it look anything like this bike?


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           Kind of , but Thanks posted by Jasmine on 9/16/2009 at 3:58:01 PM
Well, its a blue Roadmaster Skyrider, not Starlet, but looks simuliar, except its a women`s bike. I`ll try to get a photo up. Thanks a lot.
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AGE / VALUE:   powerlite pro posted by: Larry on 8/12/2009 at 7:57:22 PM
wondering if anyone might know the value of a powerlite pro frame. Not sure what exactly it is. silver and no stickers on it. Marked "powerlite pro" and a serial number. Its in great shape and was my brothers when he was younger and he is now 28. Can anyone help out. My son wants to sell it to get a new bike, we never used it, just stored it all these years,
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   powerlite pro posted by ken on 8/13/2009 at 10:19:04 AM
I'd try the bmx page.
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AGE / VALUE:   Trying to Date Raleigh Super Course posted by: Tim on 8/11/2009 at 9:35:27 PM
Hello, I apologize for begging for help, I can't seem to find enlightening information anywhere.

Anyhow, a Raleigh Super Course of an unknown year was passed down to me and the serial # seems to be of no help in dating it. It's #s only stamped on a dropout (#111855) which seems to indicate a Carlton build. Somewhat confusing to me is that it doesn't have the script Raleigh downtube logo that seems to be common among early Super Courses, nor the 70s logo of the later bikes, instead it has block Raleigh letters (like on the chainguard of a '67 Raleigh).

The hub doesn't help... this was my wife's late grandfather's bike, and he had a habit of getting 10 speeds and making quirky modifications, in this case to 3 speed bars and a 1967 Sturmey Archer S5 (5 speed) hub replete with dual shifters.

Thanks in advance for any insight that may be offered. I can post photos tomorrow night if that would be of any help.
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