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MISC:   Single Speed posted by: kim on 3/25/2009 at 10:28:38 AM
I have some old English, French and American 10-speed frames with 27" wheels that I want to turn into fixed or single speed bikes.
They all have freewheels, not cassettes and I don't want to re-dish the old wheels.
Can anyone recommend brand or part numbers for 27" (steel or alloy) reasonably-priced single speed or cassette or flip-flop rear wheels?

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           RE:MISC:   Single Speed posted by Gralyn on 3/25/2009 at 5:49:22 PM
I haven't seen anything - fixed gear wheel sets, fixed gear hubs, rims, spokes, etc. that I felt was a good deal. That is, if you have an old 10-speed....and maybe it's nice enough that it's worth $150.....based on what I have been able to find - you would end up putting at least another $150 or more into it for some fixed gear parts. However, you could just re-dish and re-space your current wheels.....and if later, you decide to put it back as a 10-speed - you can always dish it back to where it was.

From what I've seen - the fixed gear wheel sets, or just hubs....seem pretty expensive. You can easily spend anywhere from $10 to $25 for a cog.....and hubs can be $50 or more.

....just my thoughts
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           RE:MISC:   Single Speed posted by David on 3/26/2009 at 5:39:12 AM
I added a new flip-flop wheel to a SA-geared bike (to get some more gearing options) and it cost me about $50 from a shop in Framingham, MA; SS spokes, Sun rim, Formula fixed/free hub. Obviously tire, cog, and lockring add to that. It's not the greatest wheel on earth, but it's adequate and cheap. (See the picture link for a photo of the setup)

As to converting derailer bikes to SS and flipping them on Craig's List, I am doubtful that many of the crappy conversions I see listed sell for anywhere near the asking price. Frequently, someone has stripped the brakes and gears from a low-end frame and added a new rear wheel. They ask $200-$400 bucks for the mess with a lot of BS about the "new parts" in it. Some of them have obviously bent forks or frames. I think these sellers are trying to rip off unsophisticated buyers with bad and likely unsafe bikes.


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           RE:RE:MISC:   Single Speed posted by Kim on 3/26/2009 at 4:52:05 PM
That looks great. Really.
But I don't get the "(to get some more gearing options)"
It is not my original question (which you have answered), but..
How do you get more gearing options on a 1 speed?

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           RE:MISC:   Single Speed posted by David on 3/27/2009 at 6:55:05 PM
I have three wheels for it; the flipflop fixed/free, a Sturmey-Archer AW 3-speed, and a SA FM 4-speed wheel. So, by merely removing and replacing a wheel, I have four very different bikes. I'm looking forward to the new SA S3X 3-speed fixed hub. I hope the old 4-speed trigger shifter is compatible enough!
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MISC:   Looking for quality American Racing Bike posted by: Greg on 3/25/2009 at 9:02:26 AM
Hi all,
I’m looking to find a nice 80’s American lugged steel frame/bike to race on. Seeing as how I was born in 1981 and didn’t even get into cycling until about 2003 when carbon fiber was the new “it” material, I don’t know much about these 80’s bikes. Preferably made in the USA, but to expand my options and availability I’m willing to buy one designed in the USA but made overseas. I’ve been looking at Trek, Schwinn, Bridgestone, and an occasional custom made frame that pops up. I recently bought a 1991 Diamondback Centurion Momentum and took it out to the local weekly “race” and although a bit more difficult to keep up with the pack than on my trek madone, I was able to do it. It gave me great hope that I could find an older racing classic, get a nice build on it (recently acquired a nice 80’s Mavic tubular wheelset) and take it to the local race scene and show up the boys with all their fancy carbon frames, carbon wheels, STI shifters, and 2009 dura ace components. The Diamondback is a nice bike, but it is too small and I’d like something a little older. So, within the brands above, what would be good years/models? Am I leaving out any other brands worth looking into? Thanks for your input!
Greg

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           RE:MISC:   Looking for quality American Racing Bike posted by Gralyn on 3/25/2009 at 12:51:13 PM
What size frame would you be looking for?
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           RE:MISC:   Looking for quality American Racing Bike posted by David on 3/26/2009 at 5:50:44 AM
As for racing on steel bikes, see
http://menofsteelracing.com/index.html
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Looking for quality American Racing Bike posted by Kim on 3/26/2009 at 4:55:48 PM
Looks like they sell clothing mostly.
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           RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Looking for quality American Racing Bike posted by David on 3/27/2009 at 6:57:11 PM
They're organizing races on steel (not plastic) bikes.
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AGE / VALUE:   Difference between Peugeot PX-10 and PE-8 posted by: Russ on 3/24/2009 at 10:02:28 PM
I picked up an old Peugeot at a yard sale and the owner couldn't tell me what model it was. Just that it was a vintage Peugeot.

I've compared photos but can't seem to find a difference in the PX-10 (which seems more common) and the PE-8. What should I be looking for on mine that would be a tell tale indicator. Thanks.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Difference between Peugeot PX-10 and PE-8 posted by Warren on 3/25/2009 at 4:00:52 AM
PX 10 had high end butted tubing, better components and was not really common at all. OE-8 and A0-8 were common.

There's a great resource for Peugeot here...

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/France/bicycles/Peugeot/PX10_history.htm
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AGE / VALUE:   Wastyn six day racer posted by: al stinites on 3/24/2009 at 12:35:08 PM
I have an original six day fixed gear racer built by Oscar Wastyn back in the 1930's. Email me for photos. The bike is a very nice piece of bicycle history. The only #'s on the bike are 10 31 36 stamped on the botton bracket. Please contact me if you may know value or history Thanks
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wastyn six day racer posted by schwinnderella on 3/25/2009 at 9:52:54 PM
send me a few pics I have two waystn built bikes
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MISC:   1983 Rossi posted by: Mike Hudson on 3/23/2009 at 10:19:42 AM
Spring is in the air and I thought it was time to share some love - I love my old bike. It's a Rossi purchased from the Bike Shop in Scarborough in 1983.

I have owned and cared for it since the day I first saw it. The shop owner wheeled it out just "so I could see it" - I was there to buy a Colnago Sport (Sarroni edition) but when I saw this bike ...

I was twice the price but it looked great, I put my money down as a deposit. Since that day I have logged many years of rides, training and racing (all the scratches are mine - crits) and too me it still looks young and fast.

Last year I completed a total NOS restoration of the bike using vintage parts that had to be absolutely correct and in the original box. Brake pads are getting harder to find and Silca pumps just as hard - but I have years to go.

Sure I have other bikes and have a Master X Sarroni but none will take the place of this Italian beauty.

Keep them on the road,
Mike


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           RE:MISC:   1983 Rossi posted by Gralyn on 3/24/2009 at 10:52:11 AM
It may be my computer (it's been really crappy lately) - but I couldn't get the link for the pics to work. I really would like to see it, though.
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           RE:MISC:   1983 Rossi posted by David on 3/24/2009 at 8:19:40 PM
No, Gralyn, the link is NFG.
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           RE:MISC:   1983 Rossi posted by davis on 4/6/2009 at 7:01:02 AM
Try to post a pic, I own a rossi also great bike, not alot of info on them or the history of. Thanks
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AGE / VALUE:   Hercules posted by: nick on 3/22/2009 at 9:53:46 PM
looking for more information about a Hercules 3-speed. head-badge says birminghem england; SN is BN 7489; it has a hercules A-type 9 hub, but no date stamp; unfortunately, the shifter is broken: it is called a synchro-switch; 26 x 1 1/4" dunlop rims;the crank spells out HERCULES; it has a neat old bell by Miller. any information about the age, history of this bicycle is appreciated. thanks
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules posted by Warren on 3/23/2009 at 4:49:19 PM
I believe synchro switch was spec in the late 40's and early 50's. However, you have 2 other options. Use a standard SA shifter or better yet, find the Hercules made "Hercumatic" SA clone shifter.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules posted by nick on 3/23/2009 at 7:10:50 PM
thank you for the information
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MISC:   late 70's campagnolo rear derailleur posted by: michael on 3/17/2009 at 3:22:32 PM
i'm overhauling a late 70's nuovo record rear derailleur and i cant remember how the traverse spring fits within the four sided cage... there is a small hole in the back of the parallelegram, does the short side of the spring insert in there?...i feel like i'm forcing it...suggestions?
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           RE:MISC:   late 70's campagnolo rear derailleur posted by Keith Body on 3/18/2009 at 1:39:16 PM
Hi Michael, There is info out there please check, but from memory you should have a 5mm screw mostly not threaded, which goes through the threaded hole and into the only part of the spring possible. The short end of the spring bears on the inner arm, and the long end should be past the outer arm while being inserted, then tucked in against the outer arm. Easier to see a picture really.
Have I got the right model?
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           RE:RE:MISC:   late 70's campagnolo rear derailleur posted by michael on 3/18/2009 at 2:52:11 PM
yes, thats the right model...thank you...that makes sense, it seems as though there is wear on that arm from the short end of the spring...that little hole in the back piece was causing me to second guess. thanks.
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           RE:MISC:   late 70's campagnolo rear derailleur posted by Keith Body on 3/21/2009 at 3:39:52 PM
Hi Michael, I believe they had a small hole in the inner arm to locate the short end of the spring, I could look at mine to confirm, but I think you are OK now.
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AGE / VALUE:   Tires (or Tyres) - 27" - where to get them? posted by: Gralyn on 3/15/2009 at 7:44:32 PM
I find myself in need of some 27 inch tires (27 X 1, 27 X 1 1/8, 27 X 1 1/4). Does anyone know of a resource for some decent, really cheap tires? I searched a while back - and the cheapest thing I could find was about $15 each plus shipping....bringing it to around $20 or more per tire. I have a few bikes that are just sitting - because they have no rubber at all. If I could find 2 or 3 sets of tires - I could get them rolling. I haven't even been able to find anything on ebay that was affordable. I know a few years ago I had come across some tires on ebay - and I bought several sets - and the price came out really cheap per tire. I keep asking myself "why didn't I buy many more?". Now I can't find anything remotely affordable. If anyone knows where I could get a good deal - e-mail me and let me know. Thanks
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Tires (or Tyres) - 27 posted by x on 3/15/2009 at 9:19:47 PM
most bike shops will sell these, they should have cheap varieties for around $8. Mountain Equipment Co-op (canada) has 27 x 1 1/4 for $4.75
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Tires (or Tyres) - 27 posted by Vin - OldRoads.com on 3/16/2009 at 3:40:45 AM
If you are local (Boston area), we sell Chen Shin and Kenda brands in that size for $10 each.

Find our address under the 'About' dropdown at the top of this page.

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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Tires (or Tyres) - 27 posted by Steve on 3/16/2009 at 7:19:24 AM
http://www.niagaracycle.com/index.php?cPath=131_167
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Tires (or Tyres) - 27 posted by ken on 3/16/2009 at 11:59:46 AM
Gralyn's six or seven hundred miles from MA, I think. Do you ever ship, Vin?Now's not the best time to shop for bargains, and prices just went up again, but Performance has their Forté house brand in both 27x1-1/4 and 27x1-1/8 for 10.99. It's probably a rebranded Chen Shin. Back in the fall it was about 8 bucks. Plus shipping, as you say, and in IL we have to pay them sales tax because they have retail here, even if you mail order from somewhere else.
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Tires (or Tyres) - 27 posted by Vin - OldRoads.com on 3/17/2009 at 4:32:53 AM
The season is ramping up here in Boston. We're only shipping small parts from now until Halloween. No tires or complete cycles.

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           RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Tires (or Tyres) - 27 posted by Gralyn on 3/17/2009 at 5:53:48 PM
I checked out the niagara.com site. I can buy like 2 or 3 sets of tires - and it comes out somewhere between $7 and $10 per tire for the really cheap ones. It also works for things like chains....if I order enough of them - they can come out $6 - $7 each. A little cheaper than I can get at the local bike shop. The cheapest tires I could find at a local bike shop were like $12.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Tires (or Tyres) - 27 posted by Steve on 3/19/2009 at 5:50:07 AM
I buy a good bit from Niagara & am pleased. Shipping is a little high & slow, but make a list of everything you may need when placing an order, & you save some on shipping. Their prices are great, I keep a lot of parts that I am always needing in stock. I get shipments in about a week.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Tires (or Tyres) - 27 posted by X on 3/19/2009 at 9:00:54 PM
MEC has the cheapest tires. Period. Yes, it's canadian, but they ship to the USA and the prices are in CAD so U.S. buyers will save even more. Cheng Shin blackwall tires, 27 x 1 1/4 are $7.50 (last year they were cheaper). Kenda blackwall 700x38 are $7. Duro blackwall 26x1.5 are $6.75. And those are all in canadian dollars. I haven't seen anyone beat these prices, except at closeout or end of year sales.
http://www.mec.ca
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Tires (or Tyres) - 27 posted by Warren on 3/21/2009 at 5:26:56 AM
As a 28 year member of MEC I concur but get your shipping quote first. Canada Post is larcenous. Maybe shop the whole catalogue and add on a few more things to really make it worthwhile. There's also an additional one-time only $5 membership fee. It's a real cooperative. Last year I got an $80 dividend based on my lifetime purchases from them. Can't beat that.
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AGE / VALUE:   Early 1970's Fontan 10 speed racer posted by: R. Smith on 3/14/2009 at 4:10:43 PM
I'm looking for any information on Fontan bicycles. I have an older one that I would like to get new decals, some brake parts for.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Early 1970's Fontan 10 speed racer posted by Gralyn on 3/15/2009 at 7:42:00 PM
Good to hear you have an old Fontan. I used to have one. I couldn't resist it at the time - I had never seen one - nor heard of one - and so, it made a great addition to my collection. Unfortunately, I have had to sell most of my collection due to being out of work.
The one I had was a "mixte" frame style.
Try ebay for some decals. I think there is one ebay store out of Austrailia that has lots of decals.
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WANTED:   Windsor Carrera Sport Parts posted by: Nat on 3/11/2009 at 2:27:25 PM
At the moment I an riding a Windsor Carrera Sport. The bicycle
was made in the late 70's. A couple of months ago I crashed with
another rider causing damage to the fork forcing me to replace it with an after market chrome molly replacement. I am looking for the correct fork and wheels. All I can say is help.
Nat


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           RE:WANTED:   Windsor Carrera Sport Parts posted by jeff on 3/17/2009 at 4:22:36 PM
I have one
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           RE:RE:WANTED:   Windsor Carrera Sport Parts posted by Nat on 3/27/2009 at 11:27:35 AM
Hi Jeff,
What is you have. I'm looking for the correct wheels
and a fork. Are you willing to part out this bicycle.
Thanks for the reply

Nat


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AGE / VALUE:   Monark Spartan posted by: Lilmisscaligirl on 3/10/2009 at 5:51:34 PM
I have a vintage Monark "Spartan". It is a red and white mens bike with many of its original parts and original paint, though it is rusting. Does anybody know where I can find info about the Spartan or how much it might be worth? Nothing on the internet...
Also, how do I go about restoring and cleaning up the paint?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Monark Spartan posted by ken on 3/16/2009 at 12:31:06 PM
lmcg, I suspect you may be on the wrong thread, although I don't recognize the model name. You may belong in the Balloon/middleweight page.
For cleanup, see the kit shown on this site, or just take it apart and clean and lube it. The trick is not to do anything irreversible, like using sandpaper or steel wool or scotchbrite, which will all abrade the hardest chrome let alone paint. Naturally there are bikes whose value is not significant whether or not they are original, in which case taking the rust off the chrome with steel wool can be very satisfying and won't do anyone any harm.
Value is only determined by sale, which requires the agreement of a seller and a buyer.
Post a picture if you can.
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AGE / VALUE:   Dawes Wind Rush posted by: James on 3/10/2009 at 2:30:33 PM
Just acquired a 50-year-old Dawes Wind Rush touring bike with Benolux deraileurs from original owner. Bike already has rear rack, fenders, generator for the tail light and headlight. It has many nice braze-ons for attaching racks, lighting, frame pump, etc. Also has "ports" for oiling on the bottom bracket and head tube. The lugs on the frame and fork crown are nicely detailed. Brooks B15 saddle is not salvageable. Racing style bars and Weinmann side-pull brakes. Needs to be completely taken apart, cleaned, lubed & rebuilt. Like the look of the bike, and plan to use it for 10 to 20 mile "day trip" rides. Anyone know anything about the Dawes Wind Rush? Haven't personally seen many (if any) other 10-speeds this old. Thank you in advance for any information.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Dawes Wind Rush posted by Geoff Rogers on 3/16/2009 at 7:54:05 AM
I am not familiar with the Windrush, but I do own a very old lady's Dawes clubman, probably from the mid-thirties. It is quite light, equipped with a Cyclo push-pull derailleur (3 speed) and cool black enamelled Lauterwasser bars. It is for sale, in case you want to augment your Dawes collection.
I also own a Dunelt Fleur-de-Lys 10-speed from 1960, similar to the Windrush, from the sound of it. It has, or had, Benelux derailleurs (Campy Gran Sport now), nice lugs, butted 531 tubing, alloy GB bars, 27 X 1-1/4 Dunlop stainless HP rims, etc.
I ride it regularly.
Enjoy the Dawes!
Geoff
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Dawes Wind Rush posted by James on 3/16/2009 at 6:09:26 PM
The Dunelt does sound similar. From what I have found, the Dawes has 531 frame tubing. The rims on it are Rigida. Because of the diamond-cut pattern on the sides, I think they might be the originals. The Miller generator lights are intact. Dawes apparently had been using them at least since the 1930s. I think Charles Dawes started the bicycle business in 1926, not much much before that time period. This one needs quite a bit of work, so I think I will put acquiring a companion Dawes on hold. Thank you just the same.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Dawes Wind Rush posted by Jeff Lee on 8/15/2009 at 1:59:35 AM
Just browsing and found this item. I had a Dawes Windrush new in 1960 approx. Still have it, having stripped down the frame and fitted new parts. The reason? Originally this design was an 8-speed, not 10-speed. It was a touring design hence the panier frames etc. The gearing was very different from the usual medium/close ratio sets just coming into fashion: it was a wide ratio set (I think the bottom gear was 32" or even less) which enabled me to climb most hills in the north of England quite easily, while others had to push. BUT: there was a major problem in that the rear wheel nuts were not substantial enough to keep the wheel in place under hard low gear work, so the wheel had this tendency to lurch sideways and jam against the mudguard and frame. I never managed to get it properly set up and eventually stopped using it until about 1980, when I fitted new Shimano gears and chainset (plus new wheels etc.) which worked just fine. The bike still runs OK and goes like a bomb - Reynolds 531 and Brookes saddle.
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AGE / VALUE:   dawes ranger mountain bike posted by: kevin pearce on 3/9/2009 at 9:11:53 AM
I've got a Dawes Ranger mountain bike, circa 1986/87 I've only ever seen 1 other in 20 odd years. Does anyone else have one, or know anything about them, how many were built, how long they were in production for etc?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   dawes ranger mountain bike posted by David on 3/10/2009 at 8:19:01 AM
There's vintage mountain bike page here, you know. But you might try Dawes themselves for info.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   dawes ranger mountain bike posted by kevin pearce on 3/11/2009 at 8:20:08 AM
Tks , I'll try the mountain bike page.
Dawes were no use at all they didn't reply to my enquiry.
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AGE / VALUE:   Cycleworks Silver Dawn posted by: Daniel on 3/4/2009 at 7:53:18 AM
Hi I've got this bike I picked up for very cheap and cant seem to find any info on it. Its a 3 speed Silverdawn from CWS Tyseley Birmingham. Really a great bike im doing a little work on it to fix brakes and rims but from what I can find out about it seems very, very rare.
If any one knows anything i would appreciate any input
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:���Cycleworks Silver Dawn posted by Warren on 3/4/2009 at 11:26:46 AM
Pictures and any details can help tell it's story.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cycleworks Silver Dawn posted by Daniel on 3/4/2009 at 1:11:58 PM
Ok well from what I can see,
Sturmey archer made almost all of the parts which are mint condition,3 speed hub dates 1959 (guy who sold it said he thought it was from the 70's), it has a dynohub 26x1 3/8 dunlop rims, dunlop spring seat and is a great ride (If only the brakes worked!!)
Now I've searched the archives on this site and someone else mentioned this make of bicycle although they had a ladies frame, there was some story about the company breaking the contract with sturmey archer and it being shut down. Which means that I may have one of the few to have ever been made by Cycleworks Tyseley Birmingham!
But I cant find anymore information, no one knows anything about it but me, and I know very little apart from the fact that it was all made in england.
(Il try and get some pictures)
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cycleworks Silver Dawn posted by Daniel on 3/4/2009 at 2:05:57 PM
note: mud guards and brakes are removed.


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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cycleworks Silver Dawn posted by Christopher on 3/4/2009 at 5:48:44 PM
I may have been the one who wrote the post you mention I did have one of these bikes. I remember that Cycleworks was kind of a co- op business of some sorts. This is a intriguing thing to follow.

This bike was made at a time when bike industry tooling was being sold and scrapped in England. It was raining giants "raining" as in they were dying off, disapearing and packing their bags for foreign ports unknown.

Brown Brothers bicycle parts catalog and their Vinvec line of bikes dissapeared. They were huge. What I am trying to say here is that I am wondering what spawned or gave birth to the Cycleworks brand and I wonder about the business arangement and whom exactly was behind the formation of this operation when it was started and when it ended and closed it's doors for good. (Also, as I love to chase the herse all the way to the graveyard and beyond.................) I wonder, What happened to this business after they had made a mess of their relationship with Sturmey- Archer. Where did the tooling, paint equipment, decals and badges and stock go? What happened to it? What is there in the location in England Now? Can somebody get us a picture of the building?

You will have to really dig and be patient and ask and I ask you to stay with us as new information will come to light. I too was excited about owning mine. I thought it was a nice bike!

More of these bikes are out there, there are lost brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles, and others that are related in strange ways as well. The exact story about Cycleworks from Tysley I would like to know.

This is strange magic. Really, it is. I asked a well known bike historian about Mead Ranger bikes who had plants here in the U.S.A and one in England. In their hey day, they were collousal, huge! Factory buildings and a well known name. I asked "What happened to it?" I asked about the tooling, the design room drawings, the real estate and the name...... so on.... and, after being told "it dissapeared into the great bicycle (whatever) in the sky" which is what I already knew and this is what you will usually hear from folks you'll be told something you already knew, an non helpful standard answer and it always to me, is this little bit of playcate you and try to discourage you from searching any further. When they ever say something like: "It's all gone now, son." Don't you believe it!!!! but you have to press on and ask and in this case I was told something startling! The real estate was sold off in the 1950's and a bike industry distributor in the Chicago area wound up with most of what was left but then, he committed suicide........... It ends there. With a mystery as to what happened from there. The guy I was asking didn't offer more information to me partly because he didn't seem to have any more info to offer me. I also learned in the same e- mail that he had just had a heart attack and so I didn't pester him and he's a huge well known famous collector historian and I failed myself and all of you here, by not chasing the matter further myself. So I sit here now and I wonder What happened after this guy who got the remnants of Mead Ranger committed suicide Who got it then? When you look over how TOTALLY HUGE Mead Ranger was and to hear this it is strange and still magic there is magic in the mystery of it even as it dies and enters the mists of time. Who owns the name today? Who got the money from the sale of all that plots of real estate land and they had a plant in England too. It was a huge Dynasty not some little rinky dink operation.

The names of the family / heirs who got to draw out of Mead Rangers bank accounts the faces behind the real thing. We don't know.

As to the collector/ historian who told me this, the fellow who had his hart attack I am not sure if he is still with us or not.

I don't rest usually until I know for certain how it ended. I like to hear from folks who bought it at auction or folks who say stuff to me like: " Dude! My brother and I were there dude! and we pulled all this awesome shit from this dumpster like, dude it was totally awesome what they were heaving out and so and so still has some of the stash, man"

And then I like to go and see what they have what has survived. I am quite the vulture, who loves to follow the trail and see for myself what has survived and this because I want some of the goodies for myself but also and equally so, I want to know the history of it and especially the last chapters , "the whatever happened to?" has always facinated me. Especially with bikes!!

So we are on the trail of the "Cycleworks Silver Dawn" The name alone,......."Silver Dawn" has magic in it.

It bothers me that this stuff fades away without a wisper like it does. It was huge and glorious and totally magical and it leaves us scratching our heads in amazement and wonder.
I knew people, people I could ask but they have since passed away. The kick in the balls is that they would likely know and they would have told me all they knew and this mystery would be solved. The folks I knew who have died they gave me secrets, maps, names and I opened the tombs myself to find wonderous things the other collectors had missed.
Stay with this!!
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cycleworks Silver Dawn posted by Chris on 3/4/2009 at 5:52:55 PM
I was doing too much chasing it all at once and I left things unfinished and projects not launched.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cycleworks Silver Dawn posted by Warren on 3/4/2009 at 6:11:47 PM
It's a funky bike. Check the dyno hub for a date as well. The bike appears to have some later parts on it...the plastic pulley is later and maybe the handle bars. The white pedals look like replacements too. It does look like a Williams crankset and there's a date code on the back of it that you can match up on this chart to give you a precise date of manufacture.
http://www.classicrendezvous.com/British_isles/Williams/Williams_nmbrs.htm
Don't get too enthusiastic about value...it's often the popular brands (Raleigh) that get the higher prices. It does look like a great bike to restore and ride. I like it.
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cycleworks Silver Dawn posted by Warren on 3/4/2009 at 6:13:07 PM
and a great saddle. Watch for black marks on your arse though.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cycleworks Silver Dawn posted by Daniel on 3/5/2009 at 5:09:00 AM
Well I wouldnt want to sell it, at least not now, the thing is it only cost me £20.
Yes crankset is a williams, pedals are very old and fallling to pieces, the pully system (never seen one before) is actually metal and from the greenish colour, could be some copper?
You are quite observant, handle bars are later parts from what I can see since they are of lesser quality and are losing all of the chrome finish.

well this bike ended up in Edinburgh, right near the castle, and is probably the only one in edinburgh (or scotland!). About the factory well If you knew exactly where it was I could try and check it out.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cycleworks Silver Dawn posted by Keith Body on 3/5/2009 at 2:15:27 PM
C W S is (was) the Co-operative Wholesale Society, the supply arm of the Co-operative shops which are now mostly supermarkets. They have banking and insurance, a very large and progressive oganisation with the roots in Manchester (UK). Don't remember who made them, possibly Phillips. The style of the paintwork looks late 1950's.
A cheap bike for large store own name.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cycleworks Silver Dawn posted by Chris on 3/8/2009 at 12:03:42 PM
Keith has given enough info for you to look into this and find out what happened, perhaps somewhere in the co operative society is a reciept where and to whom the c.w.s. stuff went to.

Somebody has it, perhaps they want to sell what they are holding. At least find the history of it.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cycleworks Silver Dawn posted by Geoff on 3/10/2009 at 10:56:14 AM
I agree, this is a very cool cycle, great original paint. Too bad the mudguards have gone missing. I seem to recall that CWS made a lot of heavy-duty machines, the ones that postmen and police constables rode. I had a frame from one in the seventies, but sadly, all I saved from it was the very cool headbadge (which I do still have). It appears to me that the frame does not have the typical Phillips lugs, as there are no "slits" in the trailing ends of the head tube lugs visible in the pictures, and it's definitely not Raleigh, being made in Birmingham. By 1959, there were very few truly independent cycle makers in the UK, as most were by then part of either the Raleigh or the Phillips-TI empires. But maybe CWS was an independent, even that late? This might explain the Williams cranks and the lugs. There might be more wisdom over in English Roadsters, although it seems that most of us regulars are lurking over here as well now!
Geoff Rogers
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AGE / VALUE:   royce union pilot 1959 posted by: ed on 3/4/2009 at 7:50:58 AM
can anyone give me an estimate of what this bike is worth it is in mint condition no rust anywhere paint is still perfect bike looks like it was never used all orginal with paperwork
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