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AGE / VALUE:   can anyone help? posted by: jay bird on 5/27/2011 at 6:21:13 PM
i bought a bike today, cant find any referance to date it or get idea on cost. It is a kids hedstrom bike. If i had to guess i would say 50,s or 60,s.Has the plastic wheels and is all original.would love to sell it but have no idea were to start. I have the name of the company that made it and a serial number. dosnt seem to help me. Any ideas?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   can anyone help? posted by David on 5/29/2011 at 8:09:20 AM
I don't think the people who read this discussion area have much interest in or knowledge of old children's bikes. (Group interest = old ten speeds). That said, if it has plastic wheels, I would guess no older than 80s and I would be surprised if more than 2 or 3 people collect these. I don't think you'll find someone to buy it from you.
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AGE / VALUE:   raleigh reynolds 753 posted by: dan on 5/27/2011 at 4:02:16 PM
trying to find the year and value of a bike I just bought.
made at the 'hardcore mountain store' in Edmonton. raleigh 753r with campy chorus and athena components, 53cm. campy seat post, ionic carbon fork. very good condition. can post pics.
thanks.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   raleigh reynolds 753 posted by David on 5/31/2011 at 9:14:38 AM
I gather this is a Raleigh originally sold at the store you named? 753 would indicate a good frame. With carbon frame, it's probably too old for the modern carbon/ti bike crowd's interest and too new for the classic steel crowd, so you may have a bike that's hard to sell, if that's the plan. Probably good rider, though. Post pictures.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   raleigh reynolds 753 posted by DAN on 6/23/2011 at 10:21:31 AM
REYNOLDS 753, STEEL FRAME. ? YEAR


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AGE / VALUE:   Epoch Mori Japan HEADSET ALERT posted by: Christopher on 5/25/2011 at 8:58:43 AM
ATTENTION PEUGEOT BICYCLE OWNERS EXAMINE YOUR HEADSET IN YOUR BIKE! TOP HEADSET RACE IN MINE IS GARBAGE!

When you make a really poor quality headset with two of the top nuts in a cheap brassy color and it's not all uniformly chrome or even nickel plated and it's this cheap hodgepodge and you want to make it look cool and cover up your crap product you just cover it up with a neat plastic cover that is moulded to look like it is a hard plastic with a moulded top part that mimics the appearence of a headset nut.

The rear surprise after you pull away the cover is that THE HEADSET IS CRACKED IN TWO PLACES, LITERALLY COMING APART IN THE HEADTUBE. This is the cheapest thinest headset I have ever seen in a bicycle. This was found in the 1985 era Peugeot City Express bicycle

And what is the purpose of that silly wound spring it's like something you will find in an antique clock. I pulled it out wondering what the heck??


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Epoch Mori Japan HEADSET ALERT posted by Chris on 5/25/2011 at 9:24:52 AM
This headset says: I'm not serviceable by the owner, I'm a pain in the tail to work on!- and the bike shop rats are gonna hate you for bringing it in.

Resetting the spring will be lots of fun! Not! I pulled it out.

There is a lot of cheap plastic Shimano parts on this bike. It could have been better.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Epoch Mori Japan HEADSET ALERT posted by Chris on 5/27/2011 at 10:09:21 AM
b.m.x.? are you kidding? I see on the net this was made for b.m.x. bikes? These are actually dangerous and I would never allow in in any b.m.x. bike! These are junk headsets
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AGE / VALUE:   Juy Simplex skewers or bust posted by: Chris on 5/4/2011 at 9:47:16 AM
Usually, when angels appear or somebody has a vision it is well , related to more important matters.

in my case the information I somehow recieved was:
you must go forth and colect and acquire and acumulate any bike with simplex skewers! leather saddles, and all the other goodies like vintage derailers, any used bike with neat parts on it.

the boxes these parts came in all of it.

wake up with the craving to collect bikes and parts and tools and bike books!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Juy Simplex skewers or bust posted by Chris on 5/4/2011 at 9:56:18 AM
another peugeot! 31.00 not to bad. the Simplex skewers that copied the look of the older campagnolo skewers
the rear hub skewer is the prize!
i have a matched pair!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Juy Simplex skewers or bust posted by Chris on 5/4/2011 at 10:00:13 AM
even the little things like unusual and old tire valve core removers!


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Juy Simplex skewers or bust posted by ken on 5/4/2011 at 10:33:44 AM
Is this you?
RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Wanting it new posted by Chris on 9/9/2004 at 4:30:49 PM I'm at the point where I want it new, I want to be good and charged a lot of money for it too! Yes, I don't care as long as it is new and original with all the fittings. Gleaming chrome, I want paper wrappings and lovely colorful original boxes with instructions and original shop tags and the chrome parts all wrapped up in oil soaked paper wrappings. Or with varnish over chrome. Yes after you sock me good pricewise and I stand there reeling at how much you asked me to pay for it, after I hear about all the other well known folks whom I beat out to get it. I want to slowly unwrap it and hold the new parts in my hand and all will be well. This goes further, I want the whole bike new in wrappings, still gleaming with rotting paper tags stll attached. Old, used, needing overhauling, depresses me. I'm jealous of the last owner who got to enjoy it new. (There was more; lots more; I saved it)
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Juy Simplex skewers or bust posted by chris on 5/6/2011 at 8:53:42 AM
that was me! e- mail me
humberchristopher29@hotmail.com

and regards!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot musings/ Juy Simplex skewers or bust posted by Chris on 5/6/2011 at 9:48:07 AM
Peugeot was the Schwinn of France. Meaning it varied quality wise. This is a heavy bike with "tube special" decal on it. I got it for the parts on it and this bike will have the parts used on other bike projects.

Wheels, skewers, brake stuff, other bits. that i will keep

except, oh here we go! the handlebars from the last peugeot the upright alloy stem bars fit this bike making it useable to me.
So it may stay intact and get ridden. may.

The bike is saying: "see! I'm a good bike! I am! just change my derailer, clean me up, give me new tires, adjust me and ride me to work and don't leave me sitting here unused!"

I wince my eyes and tell it: "We'll see."

some Peugeots are very nice with frame tubing worth writing about, not this one. I have a box of goodies like the bluemels mudguards and other mafac bits off the last bike I did this with. I will add to the box.

imagine the bike rolling away like Herbie with me chasing it
trying to part it out. "Get back here you!!" No, you don't appreciate me!! ( and I don't)

"I'm worth at least $200.00 "yes, but to whom?"
I call out.
when the bikes run away from you, back into the back room of the thrift store it's because they know they are made with common frame tubing. They are not the pedigree good stuff like Reynolds 531 or the other awesome stuff the French used in the good bikes.
The decent bikes come rolling up to me and jump in my arms
but not all of them. I have had some really decent bikes tell me I am not good enough for them and I have to chase them and wrestle against other customers and employees of the thrift store and the bike was yelling: "Don't sell me to Chris! I'm too good for him!"
I remember other customers telling the bike shop owner: "You didn't sell that to Chris did you?"

"don't let him buy me! get him away from me!" it was embarrising!

I am being silly but serriously, the good bikes get set aside, they are actually hidden and they offer you the junk people have an eye for the good stuff and it gets stashed in some place and they tell you: "oh thats all the bikes we have"- "there are no bikes over in here"

and here they are lying!!
if you ignore them you find the Rene Herse bikes the real magical, expensive more than you dreamed they were.

What really ticks me off is "Oh that's not for you! it's reserved it's not for sale not to you!"

well, I am only going thru this life once so what the heck! Yes, I bagged the Herse! So go in there with the attitude:
Youre mine!! Have them exclaim Where did you get that bike?? and have them drool in envy as you streak past them!

Oh it's not for sale, private collection and I carry a big, decent lock!

the Simplex pristige derailer with the black plastic is junk! oh terrible! and those aweful shifters spikey black plastic ugh! the front derailer changer is terrible too

Simplex made collectable valuable stuff for decades and wound up with the prestige junk. Sad

the chainring is original but too close for me to high too

I feel the same way about some of the Raleigh Sprite bikes.
it's red and a mens model too but the frame is not special enough to keep or ride. I'll swap out the parts and keep them and let somebody else wind up with the frame and fork.
the handlebar stem is alloy and long and nice looking but it is not marked at all.

I spend hours and hours on a bike, I replace all the cones and bearings and races and bottom brackets and I add new spindles and make it "as new", I degump and clean and re- grease and add new cables and dissemble everything and parts clean and re- build and overhaul and I have the service stuff and know the diagrams and schematics and have made acquiring the many needed original replacement parts an obsession because it has to be done right if we are going to do it at all. If it is worth my time. It has to be a rare and lightweight frame tubing. if it is a ten speed type bike. I don't feel the same way about a Raleigh Sports all of them I love and overhaul fully.
well, I get picky about colors. If the bike has a rare or beautiful color I will work on that one first.

So in closing. it's rare colors, rare frame tubing like 531
if it's good and ancient, if it's magical or if the parts on it have enough mojo and oommph to overcome being on a plain common frameset. I have gotten picky along the way.

Then when it's all finally done take the bike out and fly on the thing and ride it all the time and grin as you glide down the street.

these things get gumped up the grease dries and vanishes and the parts don't turn freely and it "sets up" the wearable parts need freeing up and oiling and greaseing and things need attention. it's not always needed to replace everything but I want it to be in the best possible as new condition when I ride it. There is a difference you can sense and feel. I hate it when it doesn't fly when it drags or feels heavy and one gets the feeling that it's not giving all it can give.This is why we change to alloy rims and better parts. This is why people hop up their old bikes. People make key chain fobs out of the skewers but I will save them intact.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Juy Simplex skewers or bust posted by Chris on 5/6/2011 at 10:01:55 AM
as for the prior post from 2004 i am not alone people drive miles to pick up a bike they have bought so it won't get damaged and "original still in paper wrapping" condition bikes fetch the highest and craziest prices you would not believe.

There is nothing like original as new condition. we cannot restore anywheres near original condition.

I hope all my writings have made you want to go out and find the neat old bicycles yourseves.

I wonder what the old bicycle thinks when you hold it and tell it you can't wait to slap it up on e- bay and re- sell it for a pretty penny. Oh it's good to be appreciated but who wants to be bought and then re- sold immediately after being cleaned up? I would be wanting to go see the sights and be enjoyed and used and carry somebody around town and go to work and back and be enjoyed. Especially after slumbering in the shed, garage, attic, basement, storage wharehouse, whereever.

Imagine the bike exclaiming! 2011 good holy moly mackrel! I've been asleep for 83 years!! Ah time to ride!! Ya, know! I took your grandfather on his way when he was courting your grandmother! Lets ride!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Juy Simplex skewers or bust posted by Chris on 5/6/2011 at 10:05:59 AM
I guess, when you see them hanging up and they call to you and you can't wait to get your hands on it and clean and overhaul and get out there and ride it in the evening downtown that is what vintage bicycle collecting what being bitten by the "vintage bicycle bug" what it is all about the other side of the coin is the monitary value of it too but don't let money do a number on you. ride it!
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Juy Simplex skewers or bust posted by Gralyn on 5/13/2011 at 9:21:46 AM
Peugeot for 31.00 Yes, that takes me back to the old days! Like 10 years ago....when you could occassionally find an old decent bike for around 30 bucks. It's been years since I have seen anything like that.....certainly not at any thrift store. These days I'm lucky to find an old frame for $50 - $75....and these come from other old bike collectors and enthusiasts.....and sometimes off ebay. Craigslist is usually a bust....unless you are 2 blocks away from the seller the minute they post their ad....otherwise, you are too late.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:  ( Peugeot parts interchangability) Juy Simplex posted by Chris on 5/21/2011 at 9:35:34 AM
This is a contiuation to my: Juy Simplex Skewers or bust article

Hacking Peugeots:
10? are you sure? it is missing parts. Ok? how about $5.00
done! The deal was off on a good start. I'm set to see his stash "out in the country" and I'm off and runing with the fellow. "Oh, It's out in the country" Does not make me flinch.

I am mixing parts from these two Peugeots or trying to and I have the parts off another Peugeot. So I'm lost in the differences and mysteries of the French Peugeot's

the red bike with the simplex skewers is next to this modern ish white "city express":

What parts will interchange between the two bikes? This is what I am asking myself and tinkering to learn and so it's a mix hop up project.

I want to hop up( improve) the red bike, the one that has the simplex skewers.
Well, this last bike is a "Peugeot city express" has a canadian flag on the rear chainstay

Modern, and recent not sure where it was made. Modern oval fork, quick releases seat post fitting, alloy cotterless crankset, Shimano cantileaver brakes, Shimano brake levers the deraler shift leavers and front and rear derailers are click shift or I forget the term but you do not need to feel to find the gear you click and it shifts and that is it. So the ashifters will not interchange. I will see anyways. I doubt it. The Simplex plastic dearilers will be leaving the red bike.

This Peugeot City express has an alloy cotterless double chainring in front with small rings the other one has a steel cottered double with large cranks and I want to swap the cotterless into the other bike using more modern parts in the older machine.

Will the cotterless spindle fit in the cups of the older red bike? That is the question. the cups are different not identical but it is "all Peugeot" albeiet different years. At least 15 to 30 years difference between the two machines.

Well, the seat post will fit from the city express to the older red Peugeot!! Yes!! the longer post is now in the red bike. The leather saddle is some bastard name and is not a Ideale model and that is the French leather saddle to get all excited about. I'll put back the leather one onto the longer post. for kicks anyways.

I stripped off the parts from the "city express" the shimano cantileaver brake parts and brake stuff to box and keep them. It's modern and I won't use them I know. Soon I will remove the cotterless parts out of the city express and remove the cottered parts off of the red peugeot and see if I can run the cotterless parts in the older red Peugeot.

There is a chance it will fit and I'll let you know.

The handlebar stem and wide nice handlebars from the Peugeot city express should fit the red bike tonight I find out when I have my other tools handy.

The older alloy handlebar stems are not to be trusted the G.B. and french Peugeot versions of the G.B. are to changed before being ridden for safety's sake. there are stories of these failing and people getting hurt.

I learned from first hand actual experience mixing parts and experimenting with,
that more recent or modern parts from the Maeda Industries bicycles this is the company that Raleigh in Nottingham, England had produce the next generation Raleigh Super course bike Maeda copied the English Raleigh frame but used their own Japanese parts so why not go backwards? It works!!!

I was able to fit cotterless spindles and alloy double cranksets from the maeda industries Raleigh's back doored into the English Raleigh's such as my two 531 Raleighs and also into a Raleigh Sports and Superbe models. My ( wheel builder) mechanic looked at me and shook his head! It works


So, I am doing the same brand of magic with the french Peugeots and finding out. There are back door ways to this.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Juy Simplex skewers or bust posted by Chris on 5/21/2011 at 9:43:57 AM
So, it looks like the red Peugeot with the Simplex skewers will see use and be ridden.

And yes, I removed and threw away the plastic water bottle holder that was blocking my vies if the cool down tube decal I love the Peugeot lion decal and Peugeot lettering on the bike.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Juy Simplex skewers or bust posted by chris on 5/24/2011 at 5:37:40 PM
WOW!
UPDATE!

Shimano cantileaver brake pads the new ones fit the old school MAFAC RACER BRAKES I took ou the original mafac racer brake pads and metal holders just slid them out and inserted the shimano pads and holders they fit exactly the Japanese copied the french and the stuff fits perfectly for 5.00 i got a new set of brake pads! stops on a dime the shimano pads are fresh rubber

I took apart the original Peugeot handlebar stem and removed the ten speed type bars and took apart the other upright bars out of the other stem and switched the upright bars into the Peugeot stem and it fits like a glove

used the Shimano front derailer, a GT 420 Huret (Schwinn) derailer used the bearings from the 5.00 bike to complete the bearings in the red Peugeot and it works

using the Shimano brake leavers, cables, cable stop, and souped up the mafac racer brakes front and read the cable is thicker and better switch over the leather saddle and it's on the longer seat post now i will HAVE A THUMB SHIFTER A 1985 SHIMANO RATCHET AND IT IS CHANGABLE TO EITHER INDEX OR FEEL THE GEAR TYPE OF SHIFTERS ON THE HANDLEBARS I NEED A BRIDGE PIECE THAT WILL FORCE ME INTO THE SHOP WHERE I STILL WILL NOT PAY 18.00 FOR PHIL WOOD GREASE! I'm excited!! yeee haah!

I spent 4 hours on the bike staying up to 4 a.m.!! I got a set of allen wrenches for 3.00!! my friend said in Spanish "bicycle tools allen wrenches" and he came out with them been out of luck without him!

Next I pull the crank out of this Peugeot City express

This is the only way to do a bike find a doner bike for 5.00 and as they say in the u.k. rob it for bits have to run will continue this thread with important notes to follow
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Juy Simplex skewers or bust posted by Chris on 5/24/2011 at 5:42:17 PM
black velox bar end plugs are sitting on the shelf thos are worth saving!!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: ( Peugeot city express doner bike)Juy Simplex skewers or bust posted by Chris on 5/25/2011 at 9:19:32 AM
The problem with alloy cranks is the threading where the pedals are fiting to the cranks the alloy is weak unlike steel and the threads give way and the pedals fall out of the cranks. my threading is still good but for how long I don't wanna be out in the middle of nowheres ville and have it give out on me.

have yet to pull the cranks and see if the spindle and therefore the alloy crank set will fit the older steel Peugeot. will keep ya all posted.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: ( Peugeot) Juy Simplex skewers! I love em! posted by Chris on 5/28/2011 at 8:59:49 AM
automotive Brake cleaner in the cans sold at auto parts stores perfect for degumping cranks, chains, bottom brackets, wipe it down and re- oil. My bike shop friend exclaimed: "I can sell it to customers too!!" I have yet to pull the crank out will let you know if it fits! The main hope is the spindle because any crankset will fit this spindle. finding a cotterless spindle that fits the bottombracket of the bike you are tinkering with be it a Raleigh or a Peugeot that is the issue.

We still don't have it together for the everyday bicycle owner and home mechanic as to what cotterless spindle will fit in and work in what cottered steel crankset.
There are old bikes out there that are crying out for a nerer alloy cotterless crankset in them.

Smaller front chainrings, double and tripple front chainrings all off of 2 nd hand flea market bikes.

A wider range of gears making commuting more fun! I am working on a data base of bottom brackets and bikes they fit to.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Juy Simplex skewers or bust posted by Chris on 5/29/2011 at 9:35:05 AM
the original front double chainring on the red Peugeot is steel, heavy and a 50/ 40 size. Too large! I have it out to clean and do a regrease of the bottom bracket and when I scqare up a puller I'll get the other bottom bracket out of the Peugeot city express and see if it's cotterless spindle will fit in the red Peugeot "record du monde" or whatever the red bike is.

I unscrewed the cap nut on the steel cotter pins and removed the washer and then oiled it and let it sit overnight then I put the nut back on and screwed it down just a bit leaving a gap and then WHAM! hit it with the hammer and the cotter pin moved down and then pulled it out from underneath. Did this on both sides I damaged the domed nut but it still is usable and the threads on the cotter pin are still perfect! That is what is important here that those threads are intact.

Why do it this way you ask?

so I can re- use the steel cotter pins and not have to go downtown to the bike shop and try to buy replacement French cotter pins. I can re- use what came with it.

I was lucky. Sometimes you force the nut onto the threads and the threads on the cotter pin are damaged by the nut it goes to one side if you don't hit it square on the head and you have to use a good whack and get it out on the first or second try. Taking chance and care not to damage the threads or the nut itself the desire here is to re- use that cotter pin and matching nut that came with the bike. I labeled the two envelopes with cotter pin, crank side and non crank side for reassembly. So it will fit back together as it was.

really, you need to assume that cotter pins will not be re- usable and have the new replacement cotter pins on hand from your trip back from the bicycle shop or e- bay.

And the bicycle shops is where you find real decent tires and tubes with presta valves and a new Kryptonite lock and bearings for the bottom bracket and headset.

The cotterless crank extractor is to be found in the bicycle shop if they have anything.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Juy Simplex skewers or bust posted by Chris on 5/29/2011 at 9:41:09 AM
Only a real bicycle shop will have the new modern teflon brake cables teflon derailer cables or whatever it is made with. my point is, today we have non stretch cables that are worth having. It's a better grade of cable that is better than what you find at WAL MART
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Juy Simplex skewers or bust posted by Chris on 5/31/2011 at 4:34:58 PM
beautiful chrome rims (Rigida) 27 x 1 1/4 ths they cleaned up marvelously.
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Juy Simplex skewers or bust posted by Christopher on 6/1/2011 at 9:03:43 AM
I have the Simplex skewers out of the bike and set aside. I will use up some of the non collectable skewers I have on the shelf. I love the Simplex end piece that fits in the fork end!

ogverhauled the Normandy Hubs got the grit out I used Marine grease it is cheaper and mixes with oil I miss my "Phil tenacious oil"

Added new tires, tubes, rim strips, new reflectors.
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Juy Simplex skewers or bust posted by Christopher on 6/1/2011 at 9:07:12 AM
The automotive brake cleaner has a warning on the can not for use with plastic we have plastic in the dearailers and other places on the bike. It can melt the plastic derailer jockey wheels so when using it be sure not to let it near the plastic parts on the bike

otherwise its awesome stuff parts degump in a can!!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Juy Simplex skewers or bust posted by Chris on 6/6/2011 at 9:42:57 AM
72.00 and climbing! not my auction, no relation to seller
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Juy Simplex skewers or bust posted by Chris on 6/8/2011 at 10:08:52 AM
new walmart (Bell) tires they smell horrible! Progressing well. Said no to the stinky marine grease
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Juy Simplex skewers or bust posted by Chris on 6/11/2011 at 8:46:55 AM
gas station gave me a bit of grease in a cup it was free cranks defgumped in the gas station also free
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Juy Simplex skewers or bust posted by chris on 7/29/2011 at 9:24:49 AM
Ending the story here, it rides like a dream with 90 p.s.i. tires, thick thorn proof tubes I am riding at night short cuts thru the neighborhood after dinners out with a friend delightful rides! fast nice ride and I am having fun on it getting compliments too. On to the next bike!
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MISC:   Help needed to ID1970s Italian bike posted by: bmxlorient56 on 5/4/2011 at 4:34:19 AM
Help needed to ID 1970s Ladies Italian racing bike

Hi I have a bike made around 1972-75 which I am trying to identify. It looks hardly used may even have the original tyres and brake pads, Hutchinson Corsa Senior and Campagnola.

Parts I have id so far are

Tubing Columbus Acciaio Speciale
Dropouts Campagnola 1010 long horizontal
Derailier Campagnola Nouvo Record
Chainset Campagnola Nuovo Record
Wheels Campagnola Record
Saddle Ideal 90
Mud Guard Bluemels Club Special
Rear Cogs Maillard
Handle bars Cinelli 60-40?


Makers mark? http://www.flickr.com/photos/bmxlorient/5683166732/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bmxlorient/5682603671/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bmxlorient/5683192260/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bmxlorient/5682622149/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bmxlorient/5683169940/

Any help much appreciated


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           RE:MISC:   Help needed to ID1970s Italian bike posted by David on 5/4/2011 at 4:55:19 AM
The stamp on the lug is out of focus; looks like it might be "BCM." And the mark on the fork crown looks like a monogram, too. Perhaps you can make it out. It looks like an Italian bike. (Check for 70mm bottom bracket width) If you can come up with good guesses for the letters in the monogram, search for those. Check classicrendezvous.com
It looks like quite a nice bike.
Good luck.
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           RE:MISC:   Help needed to ID1970s Italian bike posted by David on 5/4/2011 at 6:21:56 AM
Oops. The lug stamping is obviously "Bocama;" a high-quality lug. So I'd say concentrate on interpreting the fork crown logo. Is there anything stamped in the top-eyes of the seat stays? Trademarks are sometimes there.
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           RE:MISC:   Help needed to ID1970s Italian bike posted by Keith Body on 5/4/2011 at 11:48:08 AM
Beautiful bike, looks Italian very early 1970's.
In the UK crimped chainstays would indicate a large manufacturer, but in Italy early 1970's were commonly on quality frames. Suggests a special frame produced for the makers family?
Mudguards are probably added, as Italian mudguards are usually narrow painted aluminium, with the front one in 2 parts.
Can you manage another picture of the fork crown logo, has your camera got a macro mode?
My type of bike, high spec.

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           RE:MISC:   Help needed to ID1970s Italian bike posted by bmxlorient on 5/4/2011 at 1:54:56 PM
Thanks David for Bocama, I found the exact reference number for the tear drop lug on this site.

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzerndgo/id77.html

Keith I live in a major cycling area in France, Southern Brittany not far from Plouay. I think the bike may have been bought or given to the wife or girl friend of a professional cyclist, due to there being so little wear, and the fact that it is a ladies bike of such a high spec. its not the sort of bike which would have been easy to find.

I will try and sort out a macro photograph of the fork crown, its the last lead as I can't find any other identifiers.

Is it usual for the cables running under the bottom bracket to rest just in two small grooves?

Stephen Jack
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           RE:MISC:   Help needed to ID1970s Italian bike posted by David on 5/5/2011 at 7:51:31 AM
Different makers used many ways to route the cables under the bottom bracket; tubes, grooves, detachable guides. Clear photos of the fork crown and all the different places the lugs and tubes are assembled; e.g. dropouts, bottom bracket, stay attachments, etc, might be very useful in determining the builder. Is the bottom bracket shell "relieved" with an opening? Are the dimensions and threading consistent with English, Italian, French (or Swiss!) standards? Are there any numbers or letters stamped in the frame? Good luck. Nice bike even if you never ID it!
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           RE:MISC:   Help needed to ID1970s Italian bike posted by bmxlorient on 5/5/2011 at 11:34:07 AM
OK folk crown photographs with what apears to be MSG or MCG. Any ideas?


http://www.flickr.com/photos/bmxlorient/5691157482/in/photostream/


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           RE:MISC:   Help needed to ID1970s Italian bike posted by David on 5/5/2011 at 12:41:27 PM
I'm baffled. It looks Italian, but I'm unaware of an Italian builder with those initials. Nor French. Try classicrendevous.com email list. Maybe one of the cognoscenti will know!
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           RE:MISC:   Help needed to ID1970s Italian bike posted by Keith Body on 5/5/2011 at 1:34:29 PM
Stephen, certainly nice pictures, but for me the logo has a hand engraved look. It deserves toe clips and straps, and see how it rides. To hold the old tubulars pressure we used to pull an inch or 2 of water in the pump and squirt it in the old tubulars. Used to get a lot more miles out of total rejects.
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           RE:MISC:   Help needed to ID1970s Italian bike posted by Stephen Jack on 5/5/2011 at 1:57:20 PM
Could it be Giuseppe Mondonico? I arrived at this name via, Vittoria MSG cycling shoe.
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           RE:MISC:   Help needed to ID1970s Italian bike posted by Stephen Jack on 5/6/2011 at 3:21:54 PM
Keith I've had the bike for over ten years and its my favorite bike, its better than my old time trialing bike. The initials do look hand engraved, but not the two pieces of flora. This I think would suggest a small builder which Mandonic was. I now think it is MG with a C above standing for Mandonico Giuseppe Cicli. I have sent off an email to get this confirm. The current company name is Mandonico GMC which was registered in trademarks in 1990.
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           RE:MISC:   Help needed to ID1970s Italian bike posted by David on 5/7/2011 at 11:40:09 AM
Could be Mondonico, but I found a number of photos of Mondonicos on the web and none carry any marks resembling the mystery fork crown.
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           RE:MISC:   Help needed to ID1970s Italian bike posted by Keith Body on 5/9/2011 at 1:38:26 AM
Stephen, Mondonico seems a strong possibility. If you could remove the seat pillar and look down the seat tube you may be able to see one of the pins he fitted through the lugs before brazing. Very few did this, if they exist it is more likely Mondonico.
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WANTED:   WTB: 1980/81 Trek 412 Fork posted by: Beswick on 5/1/2011 at 9:33:29 PM
Hi, I'm looking for a fork for a 1980/81 Trek 412 56 cm frame. The frame is painted metallic dark gray or a pewter or gunmetal color. This is a 27" frame with Ishiwata tubing. Thanks!
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AGE / VALUE:   Crescent Skandia posted by: Carl Iacozili on 4/23/2011 at 7:21:36 AM
Crescent Skandia need headbadge and info
Hey all,
I had aquired this Crescent Skandia last year and am now finding the time to deleve into it. I am looking for a headbadge and info on this bike. Any help is greatly appreciated.
I have some photos:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26746614/Ska...2009.29.59.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26746614/Ska...2009.15.02.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26746614/Ska...2009.15.20.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26746614/Ska...2009.15.38.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26746614/Ska...2009.16.06.jpg

It has a strange parts mix. It is Campi Nuevo Record with DuraAce brake system...
The chainrings are a 54/ 45... Ouch.. When men were men haha
Thanks again for any help.
Carl


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Crescent Skandia posted by David on 4/24/2011 at 8:08:25 AM
The links you posted are incomplete and unusable. The one photo shows a nice bike. Wanna try again on the links? Maybe use www.tinyurl.com to make short ones.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Crescent Skandia posted by ken on 5/2/2011 at 11:18:14 AM
Incomplete, but not unusable. I pasted the final digits into the link from the working one and viewed them all. I bet the Dura-Ace brakes were a nice upgrade from the (perhaps Weinmanns?) they replaced. To me it looks like it has been well used and is worth another upgrade or two. That rear derailleur is beautiful, but nearly anything from the last 25 years (i.e. slant-parallelogram) will outperform it.
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WANTED:   Crescent Skandia Headbadge posted by: Carl Iacozili on 4/23/2011 at 7:19:29 AM
Hey all,
I had aquired this Crescent Skandia last year and am now finding the time to deleve into it. I am looking for a headbadge and info on this bike. Any help is greatly appreciated.
I have some photos:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26746614/Ska...2009.29.59.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26746614/Ska...2009.15.02.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26746614/Ska...2009.15.20.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26746614/Ska...2009.15.38.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26746614/Ska...2009.16.06.jpg

It has a strange parts mix. It is Campi Nuevo Record with DuraAce brake system...
The chainrings are a 54/ 45... Ouch.. When men were men haha
Thanks again for any help.
Carl


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MISC:   vintage military bicycle posted by: dawn on 4/17/2011 at 4:09:52 PM
we just found a vintage military bicycle (army) we are trying to find out the value of the bicycle its all orginial minus the peddles.


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           RE:MISC:   vintage military bicycle posted by Chris on 6/1/2011 at 9:12:06 AM
Its a vintage Chicago Schwinn! W.W.2 and rare and colplete and rarely seen!
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           RE:MISC:   vintage military bicycle posted by David on 6/1/2011 at 12:19:27 PM
Try searching ebay completed auctions for value. (Or just put it on ebay and find out its own unique value!)
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           RE:MISC:   vintage military bicycle posted by Sharky on 6/9/2011 at 11:28:11 AM
Try over at this web site. It is literally a "clearing house" for info on these old US military bicycles...... if you don't find what you need, just email him and he can hook you up!

http://www.theliberator.be/militarybicycles.htm

Good luck....... Note: If it's actually original, it is worth some big $$$$$$$$
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MISC:   Western Flyer Fairway Flyer posted by: jason h on 4/14/2011 at 7:30:33 PM
I have this red Fairway Flyer!Some people say they were made in the 70s!This Fairway Flyer was not made in the 70s! It looks like it was made in the late 50s or early 60s! you can tell just by looking at it! some one who knows about this bike! please tell me what year this bike is from please?
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           RE:MISC:   Western Flyer Fairway Flyer posted by David on 4/16/2011 at 7:30:22 AM
You can generally tell a 50s bike from a 70s bike "just by looking," but you haven't given us anything to look at! I think Western Auto stores were disappearing by the 70s and their private branded bikes disappeared before that. But I may be wrong!
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AGE / VALUE: 1961 Bauer 50 year anniversary posted by: racingjeff on 4/14/2011 at 4:32:27 PM
Trying to find info on this bike, Huret components, all original except pedals, very light.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: 1961 Bauer 50 year anniversary posted by David on 4/15/2011 at 3:34:05 PM
Big German bike company, I doubt they've ever exported to the US much. See http://classicrendezvous.com/Germany/Bauer.htm
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AGE / VALUE:   Restored AMC Flash bicycle posted by: Katrina on 4/2/2011 at 6:55:50 PM
I have a vintage AMC Flash bicycle that I would like to sell but I would like to know more about it and its value. This bike was a gift so I do not know where it came from, but was told it was from the 1950s. It has been completely restored, the parts are original but they have been repainted and there are new tires and other accessories. Can someone give me more information about this bicycle? Maybe its age, some history, and a possible value? Thank you!


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Restored AMC Flash bicycle posted by jj on 4/3/2011 at 5:02:00 AM
Late 1950s - early 1960s.
You may want to post your question under the "Balloon Tire and Middleweight" topic.
Lots of info on that cycle in the Archives and Price Guides here at OldRoads.

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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Restored AMC Flash bicycle posted by Katrina on 4/4/2011 at 3:02:28 PM
Ok, thank you so much! I tried looking for it in the price guide, but I saw one price of $35 and one of $700, so I'm not sure which is more correct... which is probably because I do not know much about the bike to begin with. Do you have any idea what it's worth?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Restored AMC Flash bicycle posted by Katrina on 4/4/2011 at 8:04:47 PM
Ok, thank you so much! I tried looking for it in the price guide, but I saw one price of $35 and one of $700, so I'm not sure which is more correct... which is probably because I do not know much about the bike to begin with. Do you have any idea what it's worth?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Restored AMC Flash bicycle posted by Sharon K on 8/7/2011 at 5:58:29 PM
I have just acquired a vintage amc VI ladies bike with light. Any info would be appreciated
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AGE / VALUE:   vintage JC Penny 10speed Racer posted by: Russ on 3/31/2011 at 1:57:52 PM
I have a vintage JC Penny 10 Speed Racer with a made in italy sticker,Simplex components,ITM polished alloy stem,ITM polished alloy bars,Barilla brakes,the rear 5 speed cluster is tight and says G.Cami Castano made in italy. The serial number is #3C133C any info will be greatly appreciated.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   vintage JC Penny 10speed Racer posted by Q9 on 4/1/2011 at 8:23:38 PM
There is barely any info on JC Penny bicycles they made low numbers of a few high quality,bicycles one had Shimano 600 components. What does the made in italy sticker look like? If I am correct ITM parts are on par with Cinelli and 3T.
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AGE / VALUE:   Blue/White Bottecchia posted by: DC on 3/30/2011 at 11:32:42 AM
Hi, I wanted to pinpoint the exact year and model of my bike, if possible. I just got a vintage Bottecchia and haven't seen another one exactly like it. Need help to identify the year and or model. Specs are below:

Brand: Bottecchia
Year: late 80? early 90's?
Serial#: SL XXX XXXX (something like that, can't see very clearly)
Decals: later Bottecchia script style in LIGHT BLUE (not the common red/white on the SLX's), champion labels up to 1986
Color: light or medium Blue (not dark/ not metallic) to white fade, LIGHT BLUE Bottecchia decals
Paint: flat color over fully crome frame
Fork: Painted! with the Bottecchia "B" (blue on top, fade to white on bottom) Columbus stamped on drop-outs.
Frame: Columbus tubing, full chrome, rear drop-outs are chromed and stamped "Columbus". Rear brake cable routed through top-tube! Drive-line side chainstay is exposed chrome (left side is painted white).
Drive train: Fully Shimano 600 tri-color (cranks, etc)16 speeds (double cranks x 8 gears out back)
Brakes: Shimano 600 tri-color (aero levers) Century grey painted (short reach)
Stem: 3ttt polished (suspect has been replaced)
Bars: Nitto road drop bars (suspect have been replaced)
Seatpost: Sugino (most likely swapped)
Headset: Shimano 600
Saddle: Selle Italia Flite saddle

Any information is appreciated. And wanted to get some replies as to whether or not to upgrade (slowly) to Campy parts, or stick with the Shimano drive-train. Thanks!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Blue/White Bottecchia posted by DC on 4/15/2011 at 1:59:31 PM
Saw one on Ebay sell for $635 + $75 shipping = $705 value
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MISC:   Is this a real Chicago Schwinn ? posted by: Alex on 3/22/2011 at 3:25:14 PM
Hi, just purchased this bike. Seems to work well and has shimano parts... the guy claimed it was a "chicago schwinn." I didnt raelly know what this meant, but came home and looked it up after buying. Does this look like the real thing ? It does have a chicago Schwinn emblem on the front, but i imagine that could just be stuck on to any type of bike. thanks,

http://www.bicyclebunker.com/listings/black-chicago-schwinn-mountain-bike-1756850.php

http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bik/2268392677.html
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           RE:MISC:   Is this a real Chicago Schwinn ? posted by David on 3/23/2011 at 9:04:59 AM
I didn't follow Schwinn's mountain bike products at the end of their days, but I'm skeptical this was built in the USA. It may be legitimately equipped with a "Chicago" badge. Check some of the Schwinn catalogs (80s and up) that are on the web and see if you find something similar. If it works well, you got a good deal in any case.
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           RE:RE:MISC:   Is this a real Chicago Schwinn ? posted by Gralyn on 3/25/2011 at 8:47:09 AM
Back when Schwinn was having the bikes made in Taiwan, etc. most of the time there would be a sticker on the frame stating "made in Taiwan", etc. but the headbadges always said Schwinn Chicago. But that just meant the Schwinn company was out of Chicago...and many people think they have a USA made bike because of that head badge.
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