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AGE / VALUE:   6 day racer from Chicago posted by: al stinites on 6/23/2008 at 11:10:38 AM
I have an all chrome fixed gear bike from the days of the 6 day racers held in Chicago. The original rider left it to me after he passed. Wondering if anyone has info on such a bike. The only markings are BSA on the cranks. Email me if you might be able to help and I will send a pic
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: 6 day racer from Chicago posted by Warren on 6/24/2008 at 3:11:22 AM
What's the riders name? There's a great book called Six Days of Madness with lots of pictures of the riders on the US/Canada circuit. Maybe there's a shot of your bike?

Close up pictures of your bike may help identify it. BSA cranks were widely used on non-BSA bikes but there were a half dozen marques that were preferred in those days.
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AGE / VALUE:   Lotus Leger Triathalon posted by: August on 6/23/2008 at 7:01:54 AM
I posted about this bike somewheres but can't find it. Anyway, I have a teal green Lotus Leger with Biopace gears and aluminum frame. Can't find a thing about it. Have seen a few posts on the earlier Lotus bikes, but no mention of this model. Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

August
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: Lotus Leger Triathalon posted by Gralyn on 6/27/2008 at 9:03:17 AM
Check the archives. It seems I remember several years back - that there was a web site someone had started - trying to gather information on Lotus bikes. I don't have any Lotus bikes left. I had a Lotus Excel touring bike with Dura-Ace, a Lotus 3000 R, and an old Lotus Grand Prix.
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AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Identification posted by: Scott on 6/22/2008 at 10:41:53 PM
I picked up a Schwinn at a yard sale. It has the round Chicago headbadge, and the tattered remains of a "Schwinn" decal along the down tube. There is evidence that a model name may have been on the top tube at one time, though even that is inconclusive. It appears to be fillet brazed, though I have not removed the paint to confirm. It has Dia-Compe brake levers and "Schwinn Approved Type LS2.4" caliper brakes. Schwinn Approved "GT 500" rear and "GT 290" derailleurs are attached to stem-mounted Schwinn shifters. The shifters are stamped "258" and the rear derailleur also has "Brevette S.G.D.G." stamped on the inside. The tires are marked "Schwinn Puff High Pressure Road Racer" on one side and "Schwinn Tubular Rims" on the other (though they are clinchers). The serial number on the head tube is HP533245.

The serial number says the frame was manufactured August of '78 and this article (http://www.sheldonbrown.com/schwinn-braze.html) leads me to believe it is a Superior (renamed Sport Tourer) *except* for the stem-mounted shifters, brazed-on kick and chrome spoke protector--all three of which were dropped in '76 according to the article.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Scott


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Identification posted by David on 6/24/2008 at 3:42:42 AM
It seems like your bike has conflicted features! Varsity or Continental normally have oval badge and steel ("tubular") rims (not tires!), welded-on heavy kickstand. Does yours have a one-piece steel Ashtabula crank? Is the fork normally built up from tubing or are the legs flat solid steel? And check the dropouts; the fillet-brazed ones (all?) have forged dropouts cleanly joined to the stays. The electro-forged models have squashed stays welded to a stamped sheet steel dropout. Post a picture.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Identification posted by Bob Hufford on 6/24/2008 at 12:49:36 PM
Scott,

Check for a ring of Electro-Forge slag just behind the bottom bracket shell on the chainstays. Does the toptube / seattube juncture look brazed or flared/flash-welded? Also, are the tops of the seatstays round or pointed?

The components you list sound like a Varsity, but the round headbadge is confusing.

Bob
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Identification posted by Scott on 6/25/2008 at 12:09:02 PM
As so often happens, I spent over a week trying to find information on this bike, and less than 4 hours after posting this question I found a pic on the 'net of a 1970 Continental and it looks identical (even to the colour) so I had decided that's what it was. The only thing that's changed from your collective replies is that it may be a Varsity.

First, the most controversial part: the round headbadge. This was my mistake. I have no idea why, but when reading "round headbadge" I 'understood' it to mean "rounded" (and had not seen one of the *round* ones at that point. The headbadge is, in fact, oval.

As for the other points, in order: I assume from the size of the bracket/hanger that the crank is an Astabula. I cannot tell if the forks are hollow, but they *are* flat. The stay to dropout interface is nice and smooth, but the dropouts are stamped and the stays are squashed. There is the "slag" behind the bracket shell on the stays (which I hadn't noticed before or id have *known* it was welded) and the toptube/seattube juncture is "half-lugged" (butted?) but definitely not brazed. And the tops of the seatstays are rounded.

Thanks for your help, though now I feel a little stupid for not noticing the obvious weld-points when I thought I'd studied the frame carefully... :-)


Scott

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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Identification posted by David on 6/26/2008 at 6:58:37 AM
Must be Varsity then. Short of running it over with a truck, they are virtually indestructible. Perfect beater bike.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Identification posted by ken on 6/27/2008 at 11:44:34 AM
If it has alloy bars and centerpull brakes, it's a continental. (I don't recognize the numbers on the calipers.)
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MISC:   Larz Anderson Bicycle Show & Swap Meet posted by: Peter Naiman on 6/21/2008 at 4:47:29 PM
Once more we are hosting a swap meet at the Annual Larz Anderson Bicyle Show & Swap at the Museum of Transportation at 15 Newton St., Brookline, MA 02445. There has been a positive change of staff at the Museum and for the forseeable future the swap will once again be an integral part of the show. Added to the show will also be a small grouping of extinct automobiles from the early 1900s, Stanley Steamers and more, plus the Museum will bring out there unique collection of antique cycles.

The show and swap are on Sunday July 20th, with show time from 10:00AM - 3;00PM, with set up time for the swap starting @ 8:00AM, and the bicycle show corral set up time starting at 9:00AM. A pre-show Vintage Ride is scheduled to leave the Museum at 8:30AM and follow the Emerald Necklace through scenic parts of Brookline and Newton.

For this year there will be "no charge" for a swap meet space of 10X10 feet. We are requesting pre-registration for the swap. Dale Brown has volunteered to host a website for us this year which will be online in a few more days. A registration form for the swap will be available online with the website. A big thank you goes out to Dale for his assistance !!

Entry fee to the show and swap $10 for adults and five dollars for children and seniors with no additional charges except for an $8.00 charge for rental of a table at the swap.

If you plan on attending the show and bringing a Vintage Bike for the bike corral, please email to me and let me know what you will be bringing. Voting for show awards in various categories will be popular choice as in prior years. Maurice Bresnahan and I will vote for Best of Show.

More information to be posted in the next few days. Maurice Bresnahan & I both look forward to seeing you at the show.

Regards,
Peter Naiman
Milwaukee, WI USA.




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WANTED:   EARLY 70's Dawes posted by: Scott on 6/18/2008 at 5:31:03 PM
The one thing I'de like just about most in the world these days would be a 1971 Dawes "10-speed", around 56cm/22 1/2". I had an opportunity to pick one up on ebay some years back, but I let the chance slip, and have never seen another like it since. Anybody got one of these just sitting around out in the garage?
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AGE / VALUE:   who makes it? posted by: John on 6/18/2008 at 3:27:55 PM
Hi,
The only thing I know about bikes is how to ride them so I'm seeking expertise from he braintrust of bike gurus out there. I recently found an old bike at a second hand store and I paid ten bucks for it and wish to know who he manufacturer is and a approximate value for it. It is a very light weight ladies bike,single speed,with coaster brake at the rear.It has a headstock badge which is a decal that says sport 2000 and made in west Germany. It has an italian made aluminum kick stand and the rear reflector mounting bracket just below the seat says esge germany. It has 26x1-3/8 continental tires.It also hs a decal on the chain guard that is kinda like a circle with two sort of needle shaped objects extending out from either side,horizontaly. The circle contains what appears to be an Italian fag( red,green,wite) and an "S" in the center of it all.The only other distinguishing decals are on the down tube which are kinda 3-d sqare geometric shapes. It is in pretty good shape,everything works and it is complete and appers to be all original. only thing that appears o be missing is the rear fender mounted reflector. The serialnumber in the bottom of the crank housing is 4679989. I cleaned it up quite a bit and it looks really niceexcept for some rust/pitting on top of the handle bars and a few little rust spots on the frame /fenders but really not much.The finish is still pretty nice/has anice shine to it. Any help would be appreciated.Thanks much.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   who makes it? posted by David on 6/24/2008 at 3:48:13 AM
I doubt anyone can ID a [probably] German bike from one of dozens of manufacturers. "ESGE" is a component mfr and their flat brake bridge/rack mounting plate are widely used on German and Swiss utility bike frames. Unless your bike is very light (like well under 30 pounds) it is probably an ordinary utility bike and not of much interest to collectors. Of course, if it works well, you got a bargain! Ride it!
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AGE / VALUE:   track frame with nervex lugs posted by: stefan on 6/17/2008 at 4:45:12 AM
hi there. can anyone help me identify my frame?
its a track frame (horizontal drops)
serial number: nervex 59355402e58
it was purchased in new zealand and the guy who sold it to me thought it may be a rotrax. others suspect its a carlton. it came with a stronglite crankset.
it has marks where the head badge was mounted, no decals or other markings at all.
any help would be greatly appreciated!


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   track frame with nervex lugs posted by KBody on 6/19/2008 at 10:53:03 AM
This could be made by any one of a hundred british small frame buiders. Probably 1957 to 1962, typical time trialists frame for fixed wheel. Is it about 73 head 71 seat angles, perspective is distorted. Looks lika a standard reynolds fork blade, round / round, bottom bracket height on 27's about 11 inches. No mudguard eyes, probably drilled for 2 brakes. Rotrax would have had a curved rear brake bridge, as would many others. Head badges were commonly rivetted prssed aluminium, even on fairly low production numbers. Some builders stamped frame numbers under the bottom bracket, often preceded by 2 figures for the year. The stronglight chainset is from the end of the suggested period.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   track frame with nervex lugs posted by stefan on 6/20/2008 at 5:21:53 AM
hi kbody, thanks for your help. i noticed on photos of other rotrax track frames the rear brake bridge was always curved. the bridge on this frame is drilled, but the fork isnt. its currently at a paint shop so cant measure the seat and head angles yet. its good to have an idea of its age though, much more vintage than i thought! is it likely to be reynolds tubing? im hoping to have it identified before it is clear coated so that i can apply decals, if not i guess it will remain decal free, apart from a small nervex decal a friend gave me.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   track frame with nervex lugs posted by stefan on 6/20/2008 at 5:26:19 AM
also the brake bridge is straight, so cant be a rotrax.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   track frame with nervex lugs posted by Keith Body on 6/21/2008 at 3:03:21 PM
It would be extremely unusual to drill for rear brake only. The front fork looks like reynolds standard. If the frame takes a 27.2mm seat pin then the seat tube would be 20 / 23 gauge butted, 99% likely 531. Rotrax may not all have curved brake bridges. Check how well the tubes are cut where they meet at the bottom bracket. Also a small builder would not need to drill or punch a gas hole at the seat lug into the top tube, or at the fork ends. Butted 531 would weigh about 6 pounds with head bearings and no bottom brack fittings.
I met Mr Prince of Rotrax in 1958. In the 1960's I bought spokes 100 gross (14400) at a time, this frame is from my era.
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AGE / VALUE:   Who made it??? posted by: Rafael Moreno on 6/16/2008 at 6:24:17 PM
Hello all,

I just got a frame a friend found in an old barn. It has significant surface rust and no head badge. It is a steel frame fully lugged. The dropouts are all campie. It accepts a seat post size of 27.2. Now the one distinguishing feature of this bike is that the seat post clamp bolt is on the inside of the frames main triangle v.s on the out side above the seat post stays. I was unable to locate a S.N. So who made this frame?


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           RE:AGE / VALUE: Who made it??? posted by rafael on 6/16/2008 at 8:45:39 PM
lets try this again...


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Who made it??? posted by Don (ollo_ollo) on 6/16/2008 at 10:35:56 PM
Perhaps its a Legnano
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Who made it??? posted by Keith Body on 6/18/2008 at 8:58:15 AM
If its 27.2 seat pin then its probably made from UK components. Check the bottom bracket threads, if the chainwheel side is left hand thread then the lug set was made for UK, but could be sent anywhere from there. French native lug set would have a right hand thread , 35mm x 24 TPI. Italian would be 36mm x 24 TPI.
I will try to remember more later.
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AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn 20 inch Sppedster posted by: Amy on 6/16/2008 at 9:29:58 AM
I have a red 20 inch boys Speedster that I am looking for a value on. I bought this bike a couple of years ago off of ebay and have cleaned it up a bit and repaced the bearings, etc. Thanks for any info!
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AGE / VALUE:   Mizutani posted by: kellan on 6/12/2008 at 11:47:57 PM
i have a 73 mizutani (i believe it to be the super) and i am wondering if anyone has any information about this type of bike


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MISC:   odd ball schwinn 10 speed posted by: scott on 6/11/2008 at 11:01:12 PM
does anyone know the name of the schwinn 20 speed built on a small frame with 20 inch wheels?thanks

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AGE / VALUE:   Norco Monterey posted by: Dan Kruitz on 6/11/2008 at 8:33:58 PM
Hi, I just bought a "new" 1990s(?) Norco Montery road bike - Norco is a Canadian company. It was originally bought in Toronto and made it's way to south Texas. It has steel frame, shimano and joytech components. "New" you say? It was never ridden and still had the plastic covering the Norco logo on the tires. First thing is to get new rubber and a better seat, but I'm happy to get back to riding again after a long absence.
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AGE / VALUE:   Apollo from Bloor cycle posted by: Jim on 6/10/2008 at 4:20:25 PM
Hello:
I own an Apollo from Bloor cycle that I bought years ago and has spent most of the time hanging from the rafters in the garage. It is, therefore, still in pretty good condition (no rust). I take it out perhaps once every few summers for a short tour down the country road. I always liked being able to shift gears with my little fingers. Are these bikes considered collectable now?
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AGE / VALUE:   What year is this Motobecane? posted by: RickART on 6/10/2008 at 4:06:14 PM
What year is this Motobecane Mirage II, anyone?
And do you know what size the headset and the bottom bracket is?


R.


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   What year is this Motobecane? posted by David on 6/13/2008 at 3:51:32 PM
Did Mirage II follow Mirage? Or was Super Mirage the successor? Check the BB threading - it's either French or ISO/BSA/British. If an ordinary Japanese adjustable cup threads in easily, it's relatively new and all ISO. If it won't go, BB and HS will be French threading.
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MISC:   What is this bike? posted by: pete korhonen on 6/10/2008 at 4:18:53 AM
Hi

Can anyone identify what frame we are talking about here? A friend sold it to me and said that it is most likely Italian, but couldn't tell the manufacturer - any ideas?

Thanks in advance,
Pete


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           RE:MISC: What is this bike? posted by Warren on 6/10/2008 at 4:41:00 PM
It's a typical mass produced frame from the bike boom era. Early 70's I'd think. Real long reach brakes are needed if you want to use 700c wheels. I had one just like it, same lugs and construction...it had campy Valentino Extra gears and Balilla brakes but I can't remember the marque. Not valuable...it would make a nice fixed gear/singlespeed conversion.
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           RE:MISC: What is this bike? posted by Pete Korhonen on 6/11/2008 at 3:34:37 AM
Yeah, I think it will have Weinmann brakes installed as we speak. It will be a single speed monster after all. Perhaps later on when it has been identified I could try to restore it closer to the original. =)

Thanks Warren for your input.

- pete -
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           RE:RE:MISC: What is this bike? posted by Warren on 6/12/2008 at 7:24:30 PM
I remember now...mine was a Winthrop. Realize that these bikes were made to be rebranded so the frame could be identified as one of numerous second tier marques. Look for signs of chrome under the scratches...mine was full chrome under the paint.


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