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AGE / VALUE:   phillips bike--british 3 speed lightweight posted by: blair on 5/13/2008 at 2:32:26 PM
hello!
i recently found what i believe to be a 1969 Phillips Master Model bike. that's the year it says the mastermodel was released on this site, but i thought Raleigh bought on Phillips before the 60s?

Anyway, it's got all original parts, original seat, everything, with some very minor surface rust. i'm just wondering what the value would be. I'm guessing somewhere around 140?
please let me know!

--blair
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   phillips bike--british 3 speed lightweight posted by Chris on 5/15/2008 at 5:09:03 PM
Keep in mind the rear wheel with the Sturmey- Archer 3 speed hub with the date code on the hub which is where I assume you are getting the date keep in mind that rear wheel could be switched. Therefore, you could be thrown off on the date. The Master model did not carry over into the Raleigh takeover which was in 1960.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   phillips bike--british 3 speed lightweight posted by jj on 5/16/2008 at 5:27:28 PM
Good call on the cutoff date for the Master Model.
Once Raleigh took over, the MM, chrome fenders and all, disappeared.
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WANTED:   sturmey FW planet cage posted by: nikos on 5/12/2008 at 11:46:22 AM
Hello everyone,

does anyone have a spare sturmey FW planet cage for sale or trade? Thanks!

nikos
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AGE / VALUE:   peugeot py 10? posted by: Carl Andreas Thiis-Evensen on 5/11/2008 at 11:04:18 PM
I found this in a dumpster last night! It is a pearl white peugeot with reynolds 531 tubing and fork. The seatpost has checkers and written "record du monde". It also says "prestige peugeot" on the horizontal tube. The mainstay is full chrome all the way from the crank to the seatpost and the fork is fully chromed as well. Looks good! Its equipped with Spidel through and through, which I never heard of but it feels surprisingly crisp. It was missing the pedals and the saddle/post, and the brakehandles was exchanged for some new shimano. The handlebars are "sakae world custom Japan" and I dont know if they are original.(sorry for the lack of jargon, i am norwegian;-) Otherwise it looks in great shape and i think its a keeper!I love the looks of it and have already ordered a seat of the ebay. -Should probably look for the original parts though.. Could anyone tell me what they are? I am thinking simplex seatpost and i see from old catalogues that some peugeots had an "ideal 2002" saddle. I will try and upload some pictures inbetween but my girlfriend just went into labour!!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: peugeot py 10? posted by Carl Andreas Thiis-Evensen on 5/19/2008 at 2:30:26 PM
Its a girl! Here is a link to some pictures of the bicycle:

http://picasaweb.google.no/c.thiis/Peugeot


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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: peugeot py 10? posted by Warren on 5/21/2008 at 3:10:45 AM
Congrats on both the girl and the bike.

You'll have lots of time to ride in about 15 years...arf!

A really sweet Peugeot...best dumpster find of the year!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: peugeot py 10? posted by Carl Thiis on 5/22/2008 at 3:43:39 AM
Thank you warren! Yes? Only 15 years to go? Really? HAHAHAHA!

Oh!? Still there? Excuse e while I inflate her dipers.
Lets see, she is squeeking.. HAHAHAHA! Where is that oil..

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MISC:   obscure grade-B lightweight road bikes posted by: peter on 5/11/2008 at 8:09:42 PM
I'm doing a survey on what kind of bikes people see being used for affordable, second-tier lightweight road bikes, bikes that you'd use for running around town or everyday commuting. (I was tempted to call them "road beaters" but some people have suggested that "beater" is too demeaning for these rather excellent bikes.)

Sure, on Sundays keen riders trot out their pride and joys -- the very high end Treks, Specializeds, Rossins, de Rosas, Masis, Cinellis, Colnagos, Cannondales, etc. but
there is a fairly limited set of names you see on every day road bike frames, the ones that are locked to lamp posts outside the grocery store or are often converted into single speeds.

I suspect that certain brands are chosen because they are lightweight, good quality, but -- due to whatever quirk of marketing or whatever-- are not so sought after as to be expensive or appealing to thieves. They are also, I suspect, never considered so precious that they can't take the occasional scratches and dings that come from heavy regular urban street riding or be "frankensteined" with mix-and-match components.

And it seems to be quite regional. In this area (Toronto in Canada) the Grade B brands I most often see include: Concorde, Miele, Fugi, Fiori, Miyata, Nishiki. There is an Apollo brand that shows up on bikes originally sold in the Vancouver area but which I don't think
was ever available around here.

What brands/makes/models do you see in your area? What are your
thoughts on what makes a great beater?

I look forward to hearing your ideas.

Peter
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           RE:MISC:���obscure grade-B lightweight road bikes posted by Gralyn on 5/13/2008 at 7:58:20 PM
I'm in the Hickory, North Carolina area. I just don't see enough of anything. Sadly, I see very few bikes at all. I know there are many folks around this area who ride - and most all of them are on pretty new bikes.....but even still, there seem to be just a few riders - compared with what I would expect to see. I hardly ever see an old bike. Once in a while I will spot one - but it's usually on the go and I can't even tell what brand it is.

One thing that I have tried to do.....(instead of riding the same bike - but wearing a different jersey each time, I have been riding a different bike each time - but wearing the same jersey. I don't know if anyone ever figures it out - that the same guy is on a different bike every time you see him.

I'll ride Bridgestone, Cannondale, Bianchi, Torpado - kind of my nicer older racing steeds.....and Schwinn, Bottecchia, Motobecane, Viscount, Miyata, ......and I have several other older sport touring type bikes from the 70's.
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           RE:MISC:   obscure grade-B lightweight road bikes posted by ken on 5/15/2008 at 11:17:05 AM
My rain bike is an early 80s, I think, Japanese Schwinn-approved frame, might have been a World Traveler, perhaps from Panasonic? Gralyn would know- Chrome 4130 frame with the X-tra Lite sticker. Plastic mail order fenders, mostly Suntour from other sources from the bottom bracket up- and it's a great steel ride. I also commute on a much-modified Fuji Del Rey that I like.
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           RE:MISC: obscure grade-B lightweight road bikes posted by Warren on 5/15/2008 at 11:49:25 AM
The great thing about those B brands you mention is the fact that all of those manufacturers (except fiori) made some very high end bikes as well and you can find them occasionally for a song. I saw a nice Miele the other day in downtown Halifax with Ishiwata 022 tubes. I went to Miele's first "bankruptcy" sale back in the mid eighties and they were dumping dozens of campag double-butted bikes for $100 to $400. If only I knew then, what I know now.

I saw many Apollos in Toronto during my 48 years there. Not so high end but good utilitarian bikes.
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           RE:MISC:   obscure grade-B lightweight road bikes posted by Dave on 5/16/2008 at 3:45:42 PM
I'm a big fan of the Japanese steel of the late 70's and 80's (many already mentioned), Takara, Lotus, Fuji, Miyata, Schwinn, Nishiki, Azuki...
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           RE:MISC:   obscure grade-B lightweight road bikes posted by jason on 5/16/2008 at 9:16:06 PM
there are a couple old raleighs and a cannondale that I see around, but mostly just good weather warriors around here.
all I own are "beaters". I also have a bike like kens, the Xtra Lite Schwinn, a really nice ride, but with stock metal fenders and a SA three speed.
a Fuji special road racer with a goofy long top tube, single speed.
a Fuji team from the early 90s, all suntour, my fast errand bike
some sort of japanese bianchi frame with a shimano three speed, messenger bars, fenders and big metal baskets fore and aft, and a ooga horn
a wierd frame with beefeater guy and the word SENTRY on the headbadge, french threading, and I put campy valentino stuff on it, those rigida knurled steel rims with campy hubs, and my favorite Rando style bars. this bike rides fantasticly well.

there are others that get rotated into the mix, mostly french, and one or two that most would consider crap that are very dear to me.

of course the bike that I ride with the local weight weenie dentist on madones set is the Schwinn 974 I got for a buck last year, so who am I to say whats a beater.
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           RE:MISC:   obscure grade-B lightweight road bikes posted by Bruce on 5/18/2008 at 5:58:01 AM
I found a 74 Nishiki International with the chromed forks & a nice noticeable orange color (24"). I had it converted into a 72 gear inch single freewheel. I have a brooks saddle, Nitto bars level with the seat and blue tape. I have used it on a few 100k rides that have few hills. I don't get it out that often, but when I do I wonder why I don't ride it more often. I have 30mm Gran Bois tires on it so it rides pretty plush too. The bike has plenty of places where the bike was chipped or scraped, so it comfortable like a pair of old shoes.
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MISC:   Need Mercier Data posted by: Bob Segraves on 5/11/2008 at 1:28:30 PM
Seeking information and photographs of 60s era Mercier double butted 531 road bike frameset. I have on that is in need of restoration and would like to make it as close to original as possible.
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           RE:MISC:   Need Mercier Data posted by Geoff Rogers on 5/12/2008 at 11:13:04 AM
Hi,
I am a big fan of Mercier bicycles. I have an electric chartreuse one which sounds a lot like yours. It has butted 531 tubing, chrome Simplex dropouts, half chrome Reynolds front fork. Mine was found as a frameset in the dump, so I put it together with a Stronglight crankset from a Peugeot, Campy hubs, Super Champion wheels, Simplex rear and Campy Gran Sport front derailleurs, Dia-Cope sidepulls and Brooks B17 saddle, alloy Lyotard pedals. An eclectic assortment of period stuff, to be sure, but it's what I had lying around. I think most of these 531 Merciers came with Mafac centerpull brakes (I have a set for mine--some day), Simplex Prestige derailleurs, probably Normandy high-flange alloy hubs, Ideale leather saddles and no-name or Pivo alloy bars and stem, or similar. Most stuff would have been French, of course. French threads are unique, so that limits your choices somewhat, and the rear dropouts on these bikes had a built-in hangar for the Simplex derailleur. Many have been sawn off to accept more normal derailleurs. These cycles are a delight to ride. I collect British bikes, but the Mercier is the nicest riding machine I own: light, responsive, and apart from the chartreuse paint, nice to look at. Enjoy it!
Geoff
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AGE / VALUE:   Can't find another bike like mine!! posted by: Megan on 5/7/2008 at 9:08:24 PM
I have a bike that I am trying to get answers on. I have looked it up every where with no luck, hopefully someone here can help me. It is an English, Dayton Consort. The hub dates it at 1954. ANY info would be great. I have had it for 10 yrs now. It was left by the people who lived in my house before me. I was going to take it to the dump but my husband wanted me to research it first. It was definetly older than I thought, but like I said I can't find anything on the Consort. Thanks in advance!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Can't find another bike like mine!! posted by megan on 5/7/2008 at 10:48:45 PM
I forgot to mention it's a 3 speed.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Can't find another bike like mine!! posted by Chris on 5/8/2008 at 6:46:38 PM
Please keep it. It's rare and a national treasure.

Tell your husband he should not throw it out that it should be kept and that there are people the world over who would love to own it because it is collectable and a nice little bike as well.
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Can't find another bike like mine!! posted by Chris on 5/8/2008 at 6:51:19 PM
It's old enough to be worth enough to keep. 1954 was a good year for bicycles. it would fetch at least 100.00 at a swap meet and that people drive a long way to bring home something like this.

These are collected and appreciated and restored and ridden and when you try to get some gal to sell it she tightens her grip and tells you it's not for sale.

Please take pictures of the bike and up load them here so I can answer your question.

My guess, is it could be a Phillips made bicycle. Phillips famous and great the world over.

Please keep it, be patient. we need pictures. Britain made a lot of bicycles they supplied the world.

Throwing this away would be wrong, and a sin. it has value believe me.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Can't find another bike like mine!! posted by megan on 5/10/2008 at 9:03:56 PM
Hi this is to Chris that replied to my original post. I will take pictures of it and post them probably within the next week. The badge says DAYTON CYCLE CO ltd LONDON. Whats odd is the handle bar grips say Schwinn approved!? I hate to say this but the bike is in pretty rough condition. The previous owners left it out in the field behind our house and it had definetly been there for a long while. I will get pics posted in a few days.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Can't find another bike like mine!! posted by ken on 5/15/2008 at 11:19:17 AM
Grips get changed. Ignore them.
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MISC:   Western Flyer 20in "Astro" model posted by: carl on 5/7/2008 at 9:12:47 AM
I have all the pieces to a rusted vintage Astro model bicycle and would like to know any info on this or if anyone is interested in purchasing any or all. Thanks.
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AGE / VALUE:   value posted by: rich on 5/6/2008 at 1:57:35 PM
i bought a hercules featherweight at a yard sale. the previous owner said it was a 1953. it has a hand stitched leather seat and a large headlight with a generator. can anyone tell me the approx. value? fair to good cond. thank you
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   value posted by David on 5/6/2008 at 2:43:17 PM
Ebay is about the only guide to value for most of this stuff. See if you can find a bike like yours on it; don't forget the completed auctions. It's unlikely to be worth more than a couple hundred unless it's made of 531 tubing and has interesting components. Post pictures.
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MISC:   Simplex Competition derailleur posted by: Arlen Matson on 5/5/2008 at 4:45:02 PM
I have an Atala 10 speed bike with fenders. It has mostly Atala components; however the derailleru is a Simplex Competion derailleur mounted on the seat post tube. I am restoring this bicycle and would like to know how to adjust this peculiar chainwheel derailleur. Can anyone help.
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AGE / VALUE:   Austro-Daimler racing bicycle posted by: Kevin Moore on 5/3/2008 at 1:39:54 PM
I stumbled onto a well used old A-D bike with 24" frame today that has been repainted with wild component substitutions and apparently used as a courier bike in Salt Lake. I would like to find out the model so I can repaint and detail it more authentically. I have the serial number. Does anyone know a site that I can search the SN to find out when it was made and what its original components might have been? Many thanks.
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AGE / VALUE:   Wanted:!!!! Schwinn Lightweights posted by: Patrick on 5/3/2008 at 8:16:29 AM
Hi, Im looking for a 1960's or 1970's 24" or 26" frame Schwinn Superior, Sierra, Sports Tourer or Super Sport. I'm also open to a clean Continental. Please let me know. Thanks, Patrick
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wanted:!!!! Schwinn Lightweights posted by Dick in FL on 5/4/2008 at 9:01:37 PM
I have a circa 1971 24" frame Schwinn Continental here in Orlando. It is in showroom condition including original tires and handlebar wrap. Metallic brown. Call me on your next trip to Disney World. $88 in current $. At this price I'm loathe to disassemble and ship.

Bonus from original owner: "security" chain w. combination lock sheathed in matching color housing.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wanted:!!!! Schwinn Lightweights posted by Patrick on 5/5/2008 at 11:16:05 AM
Looks like "DICK" in Fla. Is living up to his name. He says "call me" yet leaves no phone number and no e-mail. Why do these people bother us?
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Wanted:!!!! Schwinn Lightweights posted by Warren on 5/5/2008 at 4:19:14 PM

Maybe asking Dick to email you might be the first step before plunging that knife in his back? Not that he would be inclined to do so now.

If he doesn't. it wasn't meant to be. Happens all the time.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wanted:!!!! Schwinn Lightweights posted by David on 5/6/2008 at 2:40:44 PM
Why do I guess the combination to the lock is unknown?
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wanted:!!!! Schwinn Lightweights posted by Dick in FL on 5/6/2008 at 8:35:00 PM
Probably just congenital scepticism on your part. It's known! Unfortunately, Warren had the correct take on this listing, so there probably won't be any further developments.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wanted:!!!! Schwinn Lightweights posted by Patrick on 5/7/2008 at 8:37:25 AM
My guess is the whole bike is unknown. Maybe Dick could buy a TV
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wanted:!!!! Schwinn Lightweights posted by ken on 5/15/2008 at 12:14:04 PM
Patrick, you're wrong. Dick has been in FL a long time, has contributed materially to this board a long time, and has had reasonable discourse with people who show courtesy. Keep a civil tongue in your head.
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AGE / VALUE:   raliegh international posted by: josh on 4/29/2008 at 7:55:56 PM
How much is a raleigh international in mostly orginal good shape worth?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   raliegh international posted by David on 4/30/2008 at 12:05:43 PM
Internationals are popular. Check ebay for recent prices and compare condition to yours.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: raliegh international posted by josh on 4/30/2008 at 4:57:54 PM
i checked ebay there is only a frame that has been chromed. mine has sidepull brakes and 3 ttt bars and stem. but rest seems to be original. the paint shows normal wear and some light surface rust on the chrome. I think it is a 71. thanks for your help
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   raliegh international posted by David on 5/1/2008 at 4:09:33 AM
Go to advanced search and look at completed auctions. There isn't much there right now. Condition is everything, but it would have to be really exceptional to go 4 figures.
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AGE / VALUE:   J.C. Higgins LtWt Made in Austria posted by: Joan on 4/28/2008 at 6:15:53 AM
Would like to know value of this bicycle. Have original documents; model 503.46211; age apprx. 1955-58
Thanks for your help.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: J.C. Higgins LtWt Made in Austria posted by Warren on 4/29/2008 at 6:40:49 PM
I suspect it's a roadster although it says lightweight. Value is always dependant on condition, components, originality, accessories etc; the devil's in the details. Generally these bikes are worth $20 to $200.
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AGE / VALUE:   Japanese bicycle "Silk" posted by: Dato on 4/28/2008 at 2:46:09 AM
Looking for info about a Japanese bicycle company by the name of Silk. I have a "Tokyo Silk Katakura" that I am hoping to restore. Thanks.
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MISC:   Wastyn Special posted by: Tim on 4/26/2008 at 8:10:37 AM
The Wastyn that is posted on ebay is mine. The short version of why I ended it early the first time is as such: This bike was given to me by a man who has recently passed. I had the bike for a few years and I decided to sell to make space. I put it up for auction and that started me thinking about the man who had given it to me, and I decided not to sell. I was then given a few smaller items from his estate that I could display easily and I decided that I would relist the bike. As far as it being a Wastyn-The man who gave me the bike lived in Chicago from birth until 1960 or so. He had shown me pictures of the bike dated 1936. And he told me that he bought it from a friend a few years before the picture was taken. I sent the same pictures that I used in the auction to Scott Wastyn and he replied that it was built by Emil Wastyn in the late 20's or early 30's and that the label was an early label. So my information on the bike is as such--I have an early 30's late 20's bike with a Wastyn Special label that Scott Wastyn believes was built by Emil Wastyn. I am not a bike guru nor am I trying to deceive- anyone who can tell me what make the bike is besides a Wastyn is encouraged to do so. I am stating all that I could find out about the bike. There are people who tell me it is a Wastyn and some who say it is not. Since I do not know either, I trust whoever would want the bike would know what they are buying or at least know more than me.
I hope that clears the air. And sorry about any confusion.
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