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AGE / VALUE:   1986 Masi 3V posted by: kevin on 3/8/2008 at 9:29:07 AM
I've found the excellent Masi resource at Hovey Masi, which has helped me pinpoint this beauty as an Italian-built 3V from 2/86. Save a 1" patch of botched chrome, it is in great shape. Fork and BB have been out...no internal rust at all, fork numbers match frame.

Came as a full Super Record build, save C-Rec 6s Syncro shifters, Aero Gran Compe brake levers, and C-Rec hubs.

Too big for me unfortunately, or I might have swapped it into the stable. I'd like to see it go to an appreciative home! Unfortunately, I will be traveling the weekend of the the Leesburg show, or I would take it there.

So A) any assistance with value? A *very* similar bike just went on eBay for $2500 + $220 shipping (item 280203723382). And B) it's for sale...

Lots of pics here: http://middlepath.gotdns.com/bikes/for_sale/_masi

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           RE:AGE / VALUE: 1986 Masi 3V posted by Warren on 3/9/2008 at 7:03:25 AM
The 3V on ebay gives you a good indication of price but it has a slightly more complete and original component group as well as a couple of pantographed parts. Those are very desireable bits.

You could post the bike on the CR Rendezvous Bikes for Sale list for a ballpark price. Lots of educated buyers thre. Or take your chances on ebay. You might do very well.

But I now see you've now got it on craigslist anyway. Good luck.
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WANTED:   williams cottered crankset posted by: nikos on 3/6/2008 at 2:40:19 PM
Hello All,

I'm looking for a williams cottered crankset to complete my raleigh lenton with a sturmey hub. Any ideas?

best,
nikos
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           RE:WANTED:   williams cottered crankset posted by jeff on 3/11/2008 at 11:56:50 AM
i have a pair of williams cottered cranks (1930's track, me thinks), but it's on an iver johnson 1920's track bike. i need to get correct replacement cranks for it.
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           RE:RE:WANTED:   williams cottered crankset posted by nikos on 3/11/2008 at 6:28:21 PM
Let me know when you get the replacements. I'd be interested in trading or buying them from you! best nikos
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AGE / VALUE:   Viscount Aerospace posted by: Gralyn on 3/3/2008 at 9:52:22 AM
I found a Viscount Aerospace several years ago. It's handbuilt by Trusty of England....but it doesn't have the "death fork". I built it up as a fixed gear single speed. Here lately, I've built up several more fixed gear single speeds. Now I have maybe....10 or 12 single speed bikes...(I think I may start selling some of them - to give myself a little room....and I don't really need that many fixed gear single speed bikes).

I had planned in the past that I may build up the Viscount as a multi-speed. Well, with so many single speeds already, and the Viscount has a der hanger...so I thought why not?

....and I thought of the perfect component set: I had an older Shimano 600 group - the one with fancy script lettering - cranks, shifters, brakes, levers, ders. Well, I got it all assembled - and I was surprised at how lightweight it was - even with all the componentry. I took it for a ride - it was great! I was surprised at how well it rode and handled. (I'll have to take some pics of it and post them)

(oh, a p.s.: I had put the 5-speed cog that had come with the donor bike for the 600 group - and looking at it - I thought it would easily accomodate a 6 or 7 speed cog. NOT! I first put on a 7-speed - and there was not enough clearance for the chain. Then I put on the 6-speed....still not enough clearance. Well, the 5-speed is plenty - it's just that the smallest cog is 14t. It could use a 12...or at least a 13.....but, I tried to remove the smallest cog using 2 chain whips.....but I could not get it to budge.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Viscount Aerospace posted by David Schultz on 3/13/2008 at 5:54:26 PM
Hi Gralyn,
I saw a Viscount Aerospace Pro at a New York auction and the bids started at $10,000 USD I am not sure what it went for. These bikes are extremely rare now and good ones are in high demand. The Sport is the pick of them as they do not come with the death forks, however these are a bit rarer.
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AGE / VALUE:   DNB derailleurs posted by: Greg on 3/3/2008 at 12:32:07 AM
Made in Japan.
can't seem to find any info on this company
looks almost like a Huret Svelto Plus, except the derailleur face has a DNB script and is painted red.
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AGE / VALUE:   Campagnolo sliding rod front derailleur posted by: Greg on 3/3/2008 at 12:08:23 AM
Based on info at Classic Rendezvous, it must be a Gran Sport.
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WANTED:   Alan frame with good seat cluster posted by: Greg on 3/3/2008 at 12:00:13 AM
I have an aluminum Alan frame and fork, which is all in great condition except for the seat cluster, which has cracked lengthwise along the top. There is no damage to this frame otherwise; I am assuming the metal in the seat cluster has fatigued.
Looking for another frame in discardable condition that has the seat cluster in good condition so as to swap it over.
As this is of no use to me in its current condition, I would consider selling the frame and fork to another owner with similar aspirations. Better to have one bike in ridable condition than two entirely out of use. Will consider selling to others as well.
Also welcome is guidance on performing this bonded frame rebuild, including de-bonding and re-bonding, and bond selection and preparation.
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AGE / VALUE:   Need help with stuck pedal posted by: Gralyn on 3/2/2008 at 2:19:08 PM
I have an 83/84 Bianchi - which I built up with a late 80's / early 90's Shimano 105 group (The 105 group was donated from another bike). When I put the components on the Bianchi frame - the pedals would not come off (Shimano 105 pedals with straps). Recently, I have been making a transition to clipless pedals. My Bianch is one bike I would like to ride clipless. I did manage to get the left pedal off. But I can't get the drive-side pedal to budge. It's not corroded or anything - just really tight.

It does have a hex hole on the inside of the spindle for an allen wrench......maybe I could use the 15mm wrench in combination with the allen wrench - and maybe get it to come loose.

I've had some really tough ones before......but this one is the worst so far. If anyone has some ideas - please let me know.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: Need help with stuck pedal posted by Warren on 3/2/2008 at 2:50:10 PM
If you can disassemble the pedal and remove the cage from the spindle, you can hoist the bike horizontally and clamp the pedal flats in a sturdy bench vice. You should have more than enough leverage if the bench is secure. If the pedal won't come apart you can still try this method by shimming the flats out or sacrificing the pedals and crushing the bejesus out of them.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Need help with stuck pedal posted by David on 3/4/2008 at 4:46:01 PM
You might try heat. I don't know if a propane torch would discolor the aluminum crankarm, but the aluminum will expand faster than the steel pedal spindle and might allow you to loosen it. You might also put the crankarm and pedal in the oven. I doubt that 300 deg or so would cause annealing/softening of the forged aluminum. (Any metallurgists out there?)
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Need help with stuck pedal posted by Gralyn on 3/13/2008 at 10:42:27 AM
I got the stuck pedal free! I thought I would give one more try before I tried disassembling the pedal and putting it in a vise.....I bought new wrench (the old one was a little beat-up). I supported the crank with a block of wood....put the wrench in place.....gave it a good whack with a heavy rubber mallet - and it broke free.
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WANTED:   Legnano Seat Post Bolt posted by: Old School on 3/2/2008 at 1:17:53 PM
I am restoring/rebuilding a 1963+/- Legnano which is missing the seat post bolt which fits forward of the seat tube, and below the top tube. Do you know how to make one if you don't know where I can get one?


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           RE:WANTED:   Legnano Seat Post Bolt posted by raoul on 3/14/2008 at 4:48:53 PM
that is what it looks like, and if you make one, can you make one for me too....

http://i21.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/de/fa/07e6_3.JPG
http://i22.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/de/fa/0664_3.JPG

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           RE:WANTED: Legnano Seat Post Bolt posted by david on 3/21/2008 at 6:54:00 PM
I have this bolt and bike and am wondering if anyone can comment on what size seatpost this frame takes???
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           RE:WANTED:   Legnano Seat Post Bolt posted by marco on 3/21/2008 at 8:45:27 PM
hi there i have the seat bolt ur asking for how many do you want its the older version legnano race bike its from around 1958 pls don t hesitate to contact me

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MISC:   perjohn (French) Saddle posted by: Theo on 3/2/2008 at 9:43:59 AM
Would anyone have information about the provenance, reputation and ultimate fate of the the Perjohn French saddles? They seem to be of excellent quality and show up from time to time, but have little discoverably history that I can find. What bicycles used them?

Thank you all

Theo
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           RE:MISC:   perjohn (French) Saddle posted by Lee on 8/3/2008 at 2:23:27 PM
I have a 1972 Frejus Tour de France with one, that I understand was purchased in New York. As far as I know Thomas Avenia in NYC was the Frejus dealer in that area at that time.
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AGE / VALUE:   ZEUS 2000 posted by: Darryl on 2/29/2008 at 9:17:07 AM
I have an opportunity to buy a Zeus 2000 road bike from about 1980 vintage. Most components are Zeus with Cinelli bars and a Canpy Record rear large flange hub. It is fair condition with some scrapes and corrosion but could be cleaned up fairly well. Are these Spanish bikes in demand?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   ZEUS 2000 posted by David on 2/29/2008 at 2:35:48 PM
Rare and cool. If it fits you and you can get a decent deal, buy it.
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AGE / VALUE:   circa '81 Medici Pro Strada posted by: Kevin on 2/28/2008 at 9:25:16 AM
Hi. I came upon a PRISTINE Medici Pro Strada that I believe to be from about 1981. The amazingly beautiful bike appears close to brand new, indeed hardly ridden. The tubing is Columbus, Record hubs, and I think a full NR group. After obtaining it I couldn't decide whether to hang it on the wall as to further preserve, or ride the heck out of it. I opted to ride, only realizing what I had feared: Its just a bit small. It is a 55cm. Any idea of the true value? You really have to see it, and I can post/ send out pics, though I am not sure they will do justice. The derailleur cables, for example, have a matching yellow coating (not housing, mind). PRISTINE. Once getting idea of its value, I will try to find a buyer. Thanks
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: circa '81 Medici Pro Strada posted by Warren on 2/28/2008 at 4:58:28 PM
The only true value is in the mind of a buyer. It's a hard marque to assess because it was likely made by an ex-So Cal Masi frame builder so it may be a real sweet bike. Anywhere from $800 to $1800?

That opinion is worth exactly 2 cents.

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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   circa '81 Medici Pro Strada posted by David on 2/28/2008 at 6:06:29 PM
Too small for me. You will probably get the best price on Ebay, but study auctions (sporting goods/cycling/road bikes) and learn how to put together an effective posting.
Good luck.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: circa '81 Medici Pro Strada posted by Kevin on 2/28/2008 at 7:03:52 PM
Right, the ex-Masi Builder being Simonetti, who also built in So Cal I believe under the name Medici up until the 1990s sometime. Is there any reason to assume that he did NOT build theis frame? Thanks
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: circa '81 Medici Pro Strada posted by Warren on 2/28/2008 at 7:31:52 PM
Like Masi, most quality shops employ associate builders or apprentices. If you can contact Simonetti and he confirms that he built it, then you have true provenance and the value can be much greater.(I hesitate to say "poor mans Masi) Worth a few phone calls?

So many great builders came through that Carlsbad operation and it's worth tracking all of the bikes and their builders originating from it.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   circa '81 Medici Pro Strada posted by jorgensen on 3/1/2008 at 10:15:04 PM
Simonetti was not the "builder" probably did assist in cutting lug windows and stuff MAYBE filing, Mike Howard was the guy with the torch and the framebuilding experience. When he went off to jail, Simo Cycles closed down basically, no welder, brazer, framebuilder.

Mike was capable, the frames from this time were still when he had interest, but the fork might be a Tange "buyout", not that this is bad, just how they were surviving, Mtb's were the rage by this time, Stumpjumper...

These bikes get short shrift, they are well constructed, similar in design to Masi, just no cache. I have one, I got it CHEAP, a bike with little use a few years ago. So it goes.
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FOR SALE:   Vintage cycling parts posted to Ebay posted by: Peter Naiman on 2/26/2008 at 2:43:41 AM
I've posted quite a few new items to Ebay with more to follow in the coming days until my parts drawers are a bit lighter. I've atleast three great Hetchins from the 1950s coming my way, and they are completely built so I can sell parts I thought I needed. Not a ton of stuff, but nice vintage items. My auctions can be viewed at the URL below:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZcreamcityonline

Best regards,
Peter Naiman


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MISC:   Nice Sunbeam on ebay posted by: Warren on 2/24/2008 at 6:24:57 PM
You don't see many Sunbeam racers around...item #200202271180
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AGE / VALUE:   Any Help Appreciated Identifying an Old Bridgestone posted by: Richard on 2/24/2008 at 5:29:25 PM
I recently bought an old Bridgestone road bike--judging from my less-than-encyclopedic background on the subject I'm seeking help or advice from any quarter. I'll start with a general description and proceed to components and finish up with any odds and ends.

It's a lugged frame with 1" top tube and 1 1/8 seat and down tubes, the fork tips, and the ends of the seat and chainstays are chromed with what appear to be pretty cheap-looking stamped dropouts. The paint is a faintly-metallic lemon yellow and a black, eight-pointed badge riveted to the headtube that has a left-facing lion with the letters BS immediately below and BRIDGESTONE and TOKYO, JAPAN respectively encircled above and below the lion; GUARANTEED WORLDS FINEST BICYCLE PRECISION MECHANISM--lord, I can barely contain my guffaw of delight every time I see it--printed large on both sides of the down tube. It's the components that tell the tale for me though:

ARAYA 27x1 1/4 Chrome Steel NO HP bolt-on wheels--the front drop-outs will not take a QR wheel, but an old french wheel with the butterfly spin-offs slides in with a sigh.

Shimano Lark SS Rear Derailleur
SunTour Spirt (their misprint, not mine lol) Front Derailleur
SunTour Perfect 5-speed freewheel
Simplex Bolt-on downtube shifters--super cool outline design
JUN bolt-head stem/anonymous road bars
DiaCompe centerpull brakes and levers
Unknown cottered cranks/chainwheel/bb combo--too dirty to tell what might lurk beneath the crud but the large chainwheel has the pattern of a 5-pointed star

The remaining parts--seat, seatpost, pedals are beneath mention except as generic examples of cheap components. I will try to get some pictures soon but am pretty busy so it could be a couple of days.

Finally the serial number on the bottom bracket shell is X271917; could it be Model X, the 917th to roll off the line in February, 1971? Or something else?



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MISC:   freespirit Bike posted by: Don on 2/23/2008 at 5:45:44 PM
As below I am concerend about the crimped area where the rear tire bolts to the bike, the bike is new and never has been road, This area is not lose or the cause of any problums at this point, but I have reviewed topics about this in other bikes and just wanted to know if welding or rivting this area would be a course of action to prevent any future problums, or just ride it till a problum appears.
My bike is not a canidale type bike, but there has been frame problums with the high end bikes as well. the freesirit bike I have is a nice bike and rides and go's real good and I intended to just ride around on it and possibly to work on nice days. It's a bike I can park and not worry a lot about it, not like a canidale $400 bike. I know there are freespirit bikes still being soid in england shops for 2007 and 08. this bike is just like the bike I have, other then the finders, again they are low end bikes selling for $200 or so. On the reflectors is a 02 date at the start of the id numbers, I talked to sears and they said that they started selling this bike in the 1990.
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I have a free spirit bike thats called lifestyle, it has a microalloy frame, it was sold thou sears in the 90's. it has the rear frame crimped to the mounting for the rear wheel, the bike has never been riden, still has the nebs on the tires. it is a Six speed bike, thats riden upright.
My Question is should the crimped area be welded down the crimped area, or just ride the bike, if ok live alone, if the area shows loseness then weld or rivit?
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