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AGE / VALUE:   Cannondale 2.8 vs 3.0 posted by: Gralyn on 11/19/2007 at 5:03:29 PM
Does anyone know the designations for Cannondale: "2.8", "3.0" as in what does each designate? Is one higher-end than the other? If so, which is better, etc?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: Cannondale 2.8 vs 3.0 posted by Warren on 11/19/2007 at 5:30:59 PM
I had a 2.8...I think that name referred to the weight of the frame. However, subsequent better and lighter models had larger numbers (CAD4 eg) and the weight reference was dropped.
Maybe the 2.8 was superior to the 3...maybe not.

C-dale models were usually determined by the components and quality of the fork. So the lower end model of a bike in a given year had the same frame as the best models. My 1993(?) 2.8 frame was an R500 which was a mid quality bike with Suntour components. I think the R900 had Dura Ace and 600 components.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Cannondale 2.8 vs 3.0 posted by Gralyn on 11/25/2007 at 8:22:46 PM
I got my Cannondale 2.8 frame. 56cm...and it sure is light. It's a 96 year model. I think it would be good to build it up with '96 or newer model components. I hoped it would accomodate 1 1/8 steerer tube - but it's a 1". I don't know what model year they started going to more 1 1/8 rather than 1? I have a carbon fork - but it's 1 1/8 - and I haven't had much luck finding a 1" carbon fork - at a price I could afford. Anyway, I started to put a wheel set on it...but the spacing was too wide for the wheel set I had....so I dug around the shop and found an axle that was the correct length....But, the wheel won't fit....so I think maybe the tires are too high profile. I took the tire off - and mounted the wheel....no way was there enough space for a tire! It turns out - this frame is made for 650C wheels. Well, I don't have any 650C wheels.

I suppose I will take my time building this one up - as I will have to put some money into it. So, maybe I will have it ready by Spring.

I'm looking for a 650C wheel set - used - at a decent price....and some 7 or 8 speed STI shifters.
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Cannondale 2.8 vs 3.0 posted by Warren on 11/27/2007 at 12:09:32 PM
That's a shame...I sold a 650 rear disc wheel with Suntour 7 speed block on it a couple of months ago after dragging it around for years. $3 at a thrift store. They show up often so keep looking.
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AGE / VALUE:   K.G SPECIAL..HAND MADE IN WEST GERMANY posted by: Scott on 11/16/2007 at 7:16:35 AM
I have a K.G SPECIAL 10 SPEED???That says Deutsche Wertarbeit Hand Made in West Germany..Does anyone know anything about this bike? I can e-mail Pics if that will help..Thanks in advance.
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WANTED:   What kind of bike is this? posted by: George_26 on 11/15/2007 at 10:32:07 PM
http://www.natalieportman.com/gallery/public_2007_bike-commercial

Long time lurker - first time post-er!

It says "Rudge" on the front, and "Britains Best Bicycle" on the side, and has the 'Hand' logo. Ive searched you site (the pics and archives) and the internet, but cant tie it down to a model.

Any help would be much appreciated. You're site is great!!
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           RE:WANTED:   What kind of bike is this? posted by David on 11/16/2007 at 9:02:47 AM
You'll probably need to find Rudge brochures. It reminds me of the Raleigh Colt; smaller bike (for kids), coaster brake, curved top tube.
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           RE:WANTED: What kind of bike is this? posted by Warren on 11/16/2007 at 4:27:26 PM
This is a typical Raleigh rebrand of what was once a noble line of bikes. Here's an almost identical Raleigh bike labelled as an Eatons Glider. (Eatons is a canadian dept. store)

http://oldroads.com/oldroads_files/329_13.jpg

Natalie's Rudge does not have the hand crank however. It's the same generic model they put on all non-Raleigh bikes
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           RE:WANTED: What kind of bike is this? posted by Matthew - from the ER DB on 11/21/2007 at 2:35:27 PM
Hi,

Warren has it, that's the type of model it is. Raleigh made the colt and variations thereof for the US market. We hardly ever see them in the UK. The model (bike not girl) shown here is very nicely kept. P.C.Kohler (look him up in archives on this site) is the wizard of Rudge, he will be able to name the paint colour he is that good with Rudges.

Matthew - back to the ER DB for me.
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           RE:WANTED: What kind of bike is this? posted by grubb1937 on 11/22/2007 at 5:38:04 PM
Your bicycle is is Rudge Whitworth. The red hand was the badge of the original company and one of the models they produced was the 'Ulster Sports' which is now very desireable. The red colour was also another trade mark when other British cycle manufacturers were using black paint. The company was taken over by Raleigh and the badge changed to a triangle design with Rudge, Nottingham on the head badge. Raleigh continued to use the red hand within the chainring. I have a 1951 Raleigh Rudge with this on it.
Picture is on my flickr page

http://www.flickr.com/photos/75395133@N00/
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           RE:RE:WANTED: What kind of bike is this? posted by Warren on 11/24/2007 at 4:48:27 PM
Did you look at the bike he's talking about? This bike is likely early 70's.
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AGE / VALUE:   Puch Meteor Mountain posted by: jason on 11/15/2007 at 8:47:08 PM
this isn't really a lightweight, but thought I would try for some opinions here.
I have a old puch mountain bike, a meteor mountain. 80s style, with the bullmoose bars, suntour thumbshifters and cantys.
it says made for puch, which I guess means in tiawan or some such. it has no lugs or obvious welds. how can I tell what method was used to build the frame?

I have ridden it as a mountain bike fairly hard, so its pretty tough, and I am thinking about making into a touring style machine. does anyone know anything about puch mountain bikes? jason
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           Puch Meteor Mountain posted by John E on 11/19/2007 at 1:18:39 PM
It was probably made by Giant of Taiwan. If the frame is steel (most likely), it was probably TIG welded and then sanded, although I suppose fillet brazing, as on the older Schwinn Superiors and Super Sports, is a possibility.
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FOR SALE:   SMART MOVE posted by: Petra Bruna on 11/15/2007 at 5:17:10 AM
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AGE / VALUE:   alfa hub posted by: jason on 11/11/2007 at 11:57:31 AM
I've got a couple tubular wheels, the rigida rims look pretty beat up to me, but they are true. the front hub is a peugeot racing(thats what it says) and the rear is a ALFA? thats what it looks like it says.
I have no interest in dealing with sewups on the roads around here so I am thinking about using the hubs on another project.
has anyone heard of ALFA? or am I reading it wrong? jason
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: alfa hub posted by Warren on 11/11/2007 at 1:50:57 PM
Alfa is a Spanish marque who made copies of Zeus/Campagnolo components. My first road bike ('72) was a spanish Orbea had all Alfa components. They worked quite well. If yours is alloy, it may be worth rebuilding. If it's steel, maybe not. It's just a hub.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   alfa hub posted by jason on 11/11/2007 at 10:08:42 PM
thanks for the info Warren. Yes, its just a hub, but with my self imposed rule of spend almost nothing(OK, it's someone elses rule that I follow)on the bikes I ride a decent hub is hard to find. jason
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: alfa hub posted by Warren on 11/13/2007 at 4:34:43 AM

Whenever I got in a tizzy about the latest vintage bike I'd found, my bike mentor would look me in the eye tell me, "It's just a bike". Don't worship it, use it. It's in that spirit that I refer to your hub. Enjoy it.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   alfa hub posted by jason on 11/15/2007 at 9:16:29 PM
well I got them into 27" rims and on my favorite old bike. now I can point them out to the guy on the sunday ride on his new Orbea and say, hey, I got something new to. jason
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MISC:   Schwinn Super Le tour posted by: brandt on 11/10/2007 at 4:20:54 PM
On a Schwinn Super Le Tour 12.2 does the 12.2 refer to anything or have any menaing??
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           RE:MISC: Schwinn Super Le tour posted by jaqck on 11/10/2007 at 11:39:06 PM
Yes and no...12.2 refers to bike wt like sister model 11.8. Obviously a marketing gimmick but nonetheless decent japan-made Schwinns.
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           RE:MISC:   Schwinn Super Le tour posted by David on 11/11/2007 at 12:33:33 PM
Weight? How could that be? Pounds is totally absurd and if the numbers referred to kilograms it's nothing to brag about.
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           Schwinn Super Le tour posted by John E on 11/11/2007 at 7:44:15 PM
Mass in kg is indeed the correct interpretation of the model name. For folks familiar with Varsinentals or even Super Sports, this was a big deal.
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           RE:MISC:   Schwinn Super Le tour posted by brandt on 11/12/2007 at 7:34:13 AM
Thanks for the information. 12.2 kg would be about 27 lb. which is an OK weight for back in the 1970's.
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AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn World Traveler posted by: Gralyn on 11/9/2007 at 7:49:06 PM
I was trying to find some information on a Schwinn World Traveler. I must not be looking in the right places. I couldn't find much. I have a World Traveler....looks to be from the 70's, Taiwan made. It has the one-piece crank, stem shifters, side-pull brakes, suicide levers, steel bolt-on wheels. I found some information on the Travelers.....and up to Traveler III. But I didn't find anything on the World Traveler. I was just trying to see if I could figure out what model year bike it was.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn World Traveler posted by Bob Hufford on 11/11/2007 at 6:14:37 PM
I don't know about Taiwan made and Schwinn branded, but Schwinn imported a World branded Traveler model from Japan in late '72 and '73.

http://www.geocities.com/sldatabook/detail7074.html#1973worldtraveler

The Taiwanese (Giant built) Schwinn World line that came in the '80s didn't appear to have a "Traveler" version. There was a stand alone (non-World) "Traveler" model for years.

http://www.trfindley.com/pg_schwinn_cats.htm

Did you find any serial number info?

http://www.geocities.com/sldatabook/serial.html

Bob
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn World Traveler posted by Gralyn on 11/13/2007 at 6:49:54 PM
Well, I remember right after I got it - I checked the head badge for a stamped serial number....nothing.....then I checked on the head tube (as on the older early 70 Schwinns) - but nothing.
It is Opaque Blue, though.....and looks to be maybe an early 70's bike....maybe 73 or so. It has Shimano stem shifters, Schwinn approved ders and brakes and stem.
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MISC:   town & country disassembly posted by: shawn on 11/6/2007 at 7:31:07 PM
I'm currently trying to restore(make ridable)a 74'T&C. I am having trouble getting the rear drive assembly apart. Are there any good diagrams and/or instructions to do this? i have been unable to locate any as of yet.
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           RE:MISC:   town & country disassembly posted by David on 11/7/2007 at 8:03:37 AM
This is a T&C trike, I guess, not a tandem. Try the Schwinn message board at the Schwinn web site.
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AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Grand Course posted by: jim t on 11/5/2007 at 11:26:30 PM
Last month on Craigs list I saw a Raleigh model called a Grand Course which was made from Reynolds 531 tubing but the fork stickers were shield shaped rather than the triangular shape ones of the 70's. was this a model that was a combination of the Super Course and the Grand Sport? It looked like it might have had japanese components.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Grand Course posted by Terry on 1/6/2009 at 1:57:13 AM
I bought a brand new Raleigh Gran Course in 1986. Shimano 600 components. I still have it - I even raced it in a duathlon last year! It is 531, and does have shield stickers on the forks.
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AGE / VALUE:   Masi again posted by: Warren on 11/5/2007 at 8:18:38 PM
I thought that Masi in Beaking Away was orange or was it just the hue/phase of my monitor. Nonetheless, here's an interesting documentation about a 61 Masi Special...it's orange too. Great pics of a bike being custom made by the best builders in the US. An exact clone of a true classic.

http://www.speedplay.com/speedplaylabs/masi/
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: Masi again posted by Warren on 11/5/2007 at 8:23:59 PM
Sorry, Beaking Away was that new reality bird show on Nature...
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Masi again posted by Warren on 11/5/2007 at 8:25:53 PM
Mustn't get carried away...some of the best builders in the US.

I'm finished now.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Masi again posted by John J on 11/5/2007 at 8:55:52 PM
I have seen that replicant, thankfully it has some different stamping on the bottom bracket shell to keep things honest. Well done exercise, Brian Baylis has also made a few replicants of famous bikes. Cannot be too long before a Confente is reincarnated.

The Breaking Away Movie Masi was the Masi Orange red. Be careful, Masi shifed the color more red in the mid 80's.
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WANTED:   Schwinn NEW WORLD posted by: Christian on 11/5/2007 at 9:08:31 AM
QUESTION: Does anyone know what the seat tube decal looks like for 1953 Schwinn New World? I would like to find one or recreate one from a picture. Does anyone have a photo of one? I'm also looking for a chain guard for the bike. I am restoring it as a gift for my father.
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           RE:WANTED:   Schwinn NEW WORLD posted by Bob Hufford on 11/6/2007 at 10:05:33 AM
The larger "Hat in Ring" decal in the center?

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=21887&d=1155345863

This was used from at least '38 to '69 and shows up on eBay from time to time.

The smaller decal at the top is a '50s era Schwinn Quality seal

http://www.schwinnbike.com/heritage/attachment.php?attachmentid=64542

and at the bottom might have had a seamless tubing seal.

http://www.bikecult.com/works/collections/schnwbadge.JPG

Bob
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           RE:RE:WANTED:   Schwinn NEW WORLD posted by ken on 11/8/2007 at 8:18:23 AM
Bob, I sent Christian a picture of the prewar New World that I once showed you. Your description was right on the nail, including the seamless tubing seal. Do you know how long that model was produced?
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AGE / VALUE:   The mysterious SIF posted by: Hugh on 11/4/2007 at 6:09:16 PM
Sometime back in the 70s, my father purchased a used 10-speed that looked to be French or Italian (simplex derailleurs & "Tour de France" decals), but with badging reading simply "SIF". Nothing particularly flashing about it, but I've never seen this nameplate before, and was wondering if anyone was familiar with it, and if so could tell me anything about it.


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           RE:AGE / VALUE: The mysterious SIF posted by Hugh on 11/4/2007 at 6:28:38 PM
Sorry about the bad link above. The URL was too long for this forum. Below is (hopefully) a working link.


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AGE / VALUE:   Holdsworth help on dating and model posted by: ronp6 on 11/4/2007 at 1:48:09 PM
I just bought a Holdsworth that was suposed to be a Mistral but is all Reynolds 531 double butted tubes, forks and stays which the Mistral was not. It was suposed to be an early 80's but I think it might be a litle earlier. I have tried to date the all Campy NR components but the indicators are inconsistent. I have serial numbers if someone has been hiding a database. The frame is silver with white transfers and no name on the top tube.

Any help would be appreciated.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Holdsworth help on dating and model posted by ronp6 on 11/5/2007 at 6:45:12 AM
The bike turned out to be a fairly rare 1982 Holdsworth Nuovo Record that was sold as a frameset including headset only. I am lucky that the buyer outfitted it with all Nuovo record components.
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           Holdsworth help on dating and model posted by John E on 11/6/2007 at 3:25:08 PM
Nice find!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Holdsworth help on dating and model posted by ronp6 on 11/7/2007 at 8:53:22 AM
Thanks John. It has a cosmetic dent in the top tube that I was able to mostly remove and it needs a front tubular wheel or more likely a set of wheels. It is the project right behind my Raleigh International buildup.

I was surprised Sheldon Brown seemed to have aless than enthusiastic opinion of them. I was quite impressed by the bike!
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           Holdsworth posted by John E on 11/8/2007 at 3:44:45 PM
Sheldon doesn't seem that negative on them -- he even says he is still looking for one in good condition. :)

I remember speculating whether Charlie Harding's "Harding" brand bikes were actually made by Holdsworth, rather than by his Irish brother, as some customers were evidently told.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Holdsworth help on dating and model posted by ronp6 on 11/11/2007 at 5:37:47 PM
It has a corncob for a freewheel. Does anyone know the largest cog the range of gears a Nuovo Record can handle?

It is a little hilly here for a 21 as a largest or maybe my legs have just gotten too old for it. Ron
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Holdsworth help on dating and model posted by Jack Anderson on 11/13/2007 at 9:29:07 AM
The NR rear d. on my International is handling a 28, which I think is close to the limit. I came down to a 41 (TA) for my smaller front chain ring. With 28 mm tires on 27" rims, it's okay on all but really steep hills.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Holdsworth help on dating and model posted by ronp6 on 11/14/2007 at 6:23:47 PM
Thanks Jack. A 28 should make a big difference. My professional has a long cage Crane and an enormous low gear on the freewheel. I have the original derailleur that was taken off when the bike was delivered. I should try a 28 and reunite the NR with the bike and see how it feels. The existing setup weighs a ton.
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AGE / VALUE:   1985 Murray Dr Pepper 10 speed lightweight posted by: James Browning on 11/3/2007 at 3:43:45 PM
I have a 1985 Murray Dr Pepper 10 speed lightweight bike that is still in the box. (My grandmother won it for me in a contest, and I never opened it.) I recently got serious about cycling, and I'm thinking about assembling it. I am, however, curious about the value.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   1985 Murray Dr Pepper 10 speed lightweight posted by David on 11/4/2007 at 10:16:22 AM
IIRC there were some Murrays sold that were good bikes. Perhaps this is one of them. Check it out for frame construction and components. Post pictures. I'd like to know more.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: 1985 Murray Dr Pepper 10 speed lightweight posted by Walter on 11/13/2007 at 5:20:19 PM
To go along with above: I'd be willing to bet you'll find a NOS 30+ lb dep't store bike in that box with some Dr. Pepper decals.

However, I could be wrong and it could be presentable quality.

OS boxes are cool by definition, no matter the result...
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