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AGE / VALUE:   Pagnini Montreal- any info?!? posted by: Josh Wallace on 11/1/2007 at 3:47:17 PM
Hi,

Does anyone have any information at all on the Pagnini Montreal and/or the company history? I believe it's c. 1986 but I'm not sure. There is zero info on the web. Many thanks!

-Josh
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: Pagnini Montreal- any info?!? posted by Warren on 11/1/2007 at 7:51:54 PM
Marinoni used to rebrand bikes for dealers and shops, especially in Quebec. I have a Gianella, after the shop of the same name in Dollard des Ormeaux. Columbus tubing? Pics of the lugs may help. Components?
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Pagnini Montreal- any info?!? posted by Josh on 11/2/2007 at 12:05:03 AM
Thanks for your response/ Unfortunately I don't have my pix on a website- not sure how to cut and paste to this list, if that's even an option. This I can tell you: It is Columbus. It has very ornate steel lugs with the word Montreal in panographed into the crown of the fork.It has a tasteful yet strikingly complex paint job. It is a frame only- never built up. I believe it has spent its whole life in Capello Italy, I just bought it from there.
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FOR SALE:   25 1/2" Supercourse- Too big for me and I'm not growing taller posted by: ronp6 on 10/31/2007 at 5:07:58 PM
I haven't gotten too deep into it yet but I just acquired a very large 1972 Super Course that is a little scratched up and missing the Huret derailleurs and Brooks but seems otherwise intact. It is bronze green. Anyone near Boston have a butted Mixte with upright bars they would like to trade? If not it will likely be taken apart for other projects.
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WANTED:   wtb a small road bike posted by: veronica on 10/31/2007 at 12:05:47 PM
Hi!
I'm seeking a small (about 48cm) light weight road bicycle. I am about 5'3'' and living in Portland, OR-- know about anything available?

Thanks,
V
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           RE:WANTED: wtb a small road bike posted by jaqck on 11/10/2007 at 11:55:59 PM
Although not as common, sub-50cm bikes should appear on your local Craigs List though prob not last. This and used bike shops best bet as shipping has become prohibitive. Last weekend was a local 46cm with appropriate 24" wheels.
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MISC:   Capo on ebay posted by: David on 10/31/2007 at 9:24:38 AM
I recall good interest in Capos on this list. Item # 320174279136 is a Campagnolo model that's been out in the salt air of California a little too long. It has an interesting adjustable but non-Major-Taylor stem. IMHO the starting price of $300 is steep for a bike in its condition, but who knows?
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AGE / VALUE:   Another "How Old is My Raleigh Record?" Post posted by: Joe on 10/30/2007 at 10:36:05 PM
I recently picked up this "Beauty" (it's in the eye of the beholder right?) -- and now I'm obsessed with finding out more information -- specifically when/where it was built.

Here's what I can tell you:
Frame is lugged steel, 23", green, with white head tube and white panel on seat tube.
Derailleurs are Hurret Allvit with stem mounted shifters.
Brakes are side pull Altenburger Syncron.
Front fork has the "thimble" (round tube) crown, and DOES NOT have chrome tips.
The serial number is stamped on the seat tube/top tube lug and reads (as far as I can tell) 3320984

The wheels appear to not match (maybe one or both have been replaced). The rear is an Atom hub on a Rigida rim and the front is a high flange New-Star hub on an Araya rim (both hubs are made in France). The front hub is secured with large Hurret wing nuts.

I've tried all of the sheldon brown and vintage raleigh links I can find without success. It appears to be between the late 1960s and early 1970's but I'd really like to nail it down.

So far, it's cleaning up nice and I can tell it's going to be fun to ride -- but I want to know more about this bike!

Anything you can add would be appreciated. I'll try to post pics later.

Thanks,

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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Another posted by John J on 10/31/2007 at 4:58:50 PM
Try 1970, reads as if both wheels are replacements, typical was a 3 pc. hub, steel center alloy flanges, some rear wheels were even "flip flop" where there is threading on both sides.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: Another posted by Joe on 11/2/2007 at 7:05:08 AM
Thanks John, that seems pretty close but there are a few differences when looking at the 1970 catalog: Mine has side pull brakes (compared to centerpulls that are shown). Mine has the "thimble" (tubular) fork crown compared to a more traditional lugged crown. Also, although terribly weathered and destroyed, the rear tire is a "Raleigh" (compared with the Dunlap stated in the catalog But this could be a replacement tire as well).
Thanks for the information on the hubs. The front does appear to be 3-piece construction -- steel center with alloy flanges.
I hope to continue gathering more information on this bike.
Thank you.
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AGE / VALUE:   schwinn suburban (ladies) posted by: Erik Turner on 10/30/2007 at 6:10:21 PM
I was wandering what year this bike would be? serial # DL543025 was taken from neck? Thanks for any help!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   schwinn suburban (ladies) posted by ken on 11/7/2007 at 10:25:24 AM
April, 1975
the chart's on this site
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AGE / VALUE:   1952 Raleigh Clubman posted by: Jeff Miles on 10/30/2007 at 10:44:58 AM
I recently purchased a bike that I believe is an early 50's Raleigh Clubman. This is an interesting bike because the frame has been covered with "plastic" wood grain vendor and all of the joints are covered with brass plating. It is so well done that it must have been done by a professional you can't see the joints and it looks like actual wood. It appears to be done a very long time ago probably 30 years or so. The bike is "racing" style bike with drop handle bars and a Sturmey AW '52 Rear hub with 3 more gears on the outside with a early Campy gran sport derallier. The bike also has a campy shifter lever and cable stays. The rims are Dunolp Lightweight rims and the brakes are center pull. The bike is very nice shape and gets alot of attention. I was wondering if anyone has ever heard of this kind of bike or any other info. Thanks alot
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           1952 Raleigh Clubman posted by John E on 10/30/2007 at 3:09:43 PM
That sounds interesting -- you will need to post pictures! I suspect the centerpull brakes are aftermarket, since they were introduced in the very late 1950s.

The 3x3 hybrid gear setup is slick; I wish I had not given my 3x4 (also with a Campag. Gran Sport, after I gave up on the original Cyclo bandspring piece of junk) to a friend. What are the tooth counts on the cogset?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: 1952 Raleigh Clubman posted by Neal on 11/3/2007 at 8:03:14 PM
How can you tell it's a Clubman if the markings are covered up? Raleigh made a few other Club-style bikes in that era, particularly the Lenton. Pics would help.

Neal
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AGE / VALUE:   Mohawk BMA/6 3 Speed posted by: Sharron G on 10/29/2007 at 1:32:15 PM
I have 2 Mohawk BMA/6 3 speed bicyles. One boys and one girls. These bikes were made by the H P Snyder Mfg Co., Little Falls NY. I can only find a serial # GR263LL,it's on the girls bike. Can you give me any information concerning these. like age and if they have any value?


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mohawk BMA/6 3 Speed posted by Sharron G on 11/11/2007 at 6:05:19 PM
Ken, Thanks for your e-mail regarding the 3 speed hub on my Mohawk bike. There was not a name on the hub, only 3.3.3. y, Three Speed Hubf, the pat.#3021728, and a small slanted "s.a." close to the 3.3.3.y. I have looked everywhere I could think of for any information regarding this bike, and have been unable to find anything.
Thanks again

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           bma/6 ward bike posted by bill on 6/18/2011 at 5:24:04 PM
how much is it worth and when was it made
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MISC:   hellenic frame posted by: Barry on 10/29/2007 at 1:19:13 PM
Hi i have just aquired an hellenic frameset without head badge looking for any clues to identifir it It was originaly all chrome but has been resprayed i would date it late 40s early 50s going by the handle bars and gb stem and what looks like nervux pro lugs,
the frame number is on the rear wheel strut the number being T75 it has not got the thanet distinctive bottom bracket hope any one can help
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           RE:MISC:   hellenic frame posted by John j on 10/29/2007 at 3:23:40 PM
"hellenic" style seat stays were a Hetchins frature, google Hetchins, there is a registry, so if it is they probably know. Beyond that, you did not mention the threading, there were many French builders who constructed with seat stays that finished at the top tube ahead of the seat lug.
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           RE:RE:MISC:   hellenic frame posted by Threading on 10/30/2007 at 4:52:09 AM
Hi thnks for the reply how can i find the type of threading regards Barry
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           RE:MISC:   hellenic frame posted by John J on 10/30/2007 at 5:03:03 AM
Depending on the BB make, there are markings in text or code marks. If apart, then much easier, chainwheel side with lefthand threading, Most likely British, there is Swiss, but pretty rare. Italian is 36 x 24, French is 35 x 1, English is 1.370 x 24.
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           RE:RE:MISC:   hellenic frame posted by Hellenic on 11/4/2007 at 9:17:22 AM
thanks for the info i have found it is not a Hetchins it is British late 40s early 50s
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AGE / VALUE:   milano sport posted by: kevin bolton on 10/28/2007 at 2:49:42 PM
i just got an old milano sport for free.is this worth anything.i cant find any info on this bike.it is 10 speed with simplex drivetrain and works well.does any one know anything about it.it says made in italy.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   milano sport posted by John J on 10/29/2007 at 8:02:15 PM
I have seen two of these appear on ebay over the years, foil graphics, bike boom imports basically from what I have seen, Peugeot UO8 fighters, if it fits might be worth an inestment of time, but probably no hope of recouping the investment of time and possible parts, save from saddle time.
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AGE / VALUE:   vintage Masi bicycles posted by: John B. on 10/26/2007 at 4:36:53 PM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Have several vintage Masi bicycles, all Italian, one built for myself in Milan while I built wheels for F. Masi under the vigorelli. One built for E. Mercks while he was Mexico City setting the hr. record... which pretty much dates the bikes. And one G.C. Masi 58 cm which I raced in the early 70's. Now in my 60's and want to get rid of a few bikes but not sure what they are worth and how best to get rid of them? They are all full Campy Record and Super Record and great cond.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   vintage Masi bicycles posted by dwdummer on 10/26/2007 at 5:47:51 PM
Hi John,

I have been looking for several yrs for a masi to ride. You should look at ebay which currently has several bikes listed. Of the vintage lightweights, masi seems the hottest market. I need a 61cm-62 cm as measured by masi or a 60cm c2c. Sounds as if your bikes would be too short. If not and you do decide to sell please let me know. I would prefer an italian bike and preferably with nervex lugs.

Thank you, Don
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   vintage Masi bicycles posted by David on 10/27/2007 at 10:51:07 AM
I too would like a great deal on a tall Masi. But you'll do a lot better on ebay. See item # 270179983074 (a Colnago that sold for $2400) for an example of a very good listing. Use the advanced search to look for Masis that have recently sold. Good luck.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   vintage Masi bicycles posted by eufi2 on 10/27/2007 at 2:38:38 PM
Greetings, My two masis bikes are around 58 cm. C2Top. The one that was made for E. Mercks is much taller and I really don't remember?? Think 59 or 60? But when I look at the head tube it is taller by far. I didn't know that Mercks ever raced a bike that wasn't white with a red head tube and down-tube panel. Saw pic of his world-record bike from Oct 72 and it was a Masi painted orange... not sure if it was a re-paint? But check it out. When he went into the bike bisuness... all that I saw were painted orange... go figure? In the old days people sure rode bikes a lot taller that they do today. The Mercks Masi is white w/red head tube and red down-tube panel. The bottom bracket shell doesn't have the M punched ont... rather a series of ovals, like they did to make the light Masi Specials. Check out pic of his 1972 world record Orange Masi and tell me what size frame you think it is??? JOHN
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   vintage Masi bicycles posted by John J on 10/27/2007 at 3:53:35 PM
It is pretty well documented that the Merckx Mexico City Hour Record bike was a Colnago with Merckx downtube label and Windsor elsewhere, as they kicked on some money for the attempt, but it had a clover engraved fork crown. That takes nothing away from your bikes however, but attempting to tie them to Merckx without solid documentation would be best set aside. Referencing ebay is a reasonable way to snapshot the market. Might try bhovey.com Bob is Mr. Masi Info. Specials in the 60's and even the earliest Gran Criteriums did not use M cut out Bottom brackets, had various multiple port patterns, not a denotion of a special lightweight frame. Do visit the bhovey.com Masi site, look up Masi Bits, it will take you a while to go through it.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   vintage Masi bicycles posted by John B. on 10/28/2007 at 9:33:12 AM
Thanks for taking the time and sharing your expertise. For all these years I was in error about Merck's hr. record bike. If I would have seen the fork close up.... Also, thanks for the info on the bb shell punch-outs. I always thought that in a small way it was an effort for weight reduction in the Specials. Where the M punch out on the G.C's was more of a trade-mark? Also, no idea that they carried the oval punch-outs to the early G.C. bikes, as all that I have seen had the M. Will check out the sites you suggested. What did people do before the internet? : ) Thanks again, JOHN
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   vintage Masi bicycles posted by John B. on 10/28/2007 at 9:41:33 AM
Aslo, I see a lot of errors in my posting: The red panel is was on the seat-tube not the down tube! Also, the Campy equipment is Record/Nuovo Record... not Super Record... sure the list continues! Thanks again for all the info. JOHN
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   vintage Masi bicycles posted by dwdummer on 10/28/2007 at 9:57:44 AM
Hi John,

To answer your question on size, I suppose the easiest way would be to measure the bike. As Mr.Hovey notes the size was sometimes stamped on the bb. I did find a picture of the world record bike on wiki and it appears to be taller than 57cm c2c. My brother has a 61cm masi as measured by masi and the WR bike seems similar in size. Hope this helps. Don
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   vintage Masi bicycles posted by John J on 10/28/2007 at 7:58:16 PM
A Gran Criteruim with a red seat tube and head tube panel was popular for a time, Masi built many if not all of the Faema team bikes for a period and while they did not carry the Masi transfers were easily identified as by Masi. The M punched out BB shell became a Masi trademark, if one examines the images in the Bob Hovey site of visits to the Vigorelli, shown hanging on the wall are new frames with "ported" and M stamped shells. I think 1971 was the transition year.

Masi measures a bit differently than most, basically to the tip top of the seat lug point, so compare to others a Masi 57 might seem small, this was a time prior to measureing center to center. Also, while there are "stock" sizes, getting a made to measure bike was not a problem.

Don't put much stock in comparing road to track frames to guess sizes, track bikes had tighter clearances at the fork, which for a given size would increase the head tube length AND a higher bottom bracket, again making for a longer head tube, throw in variations in top tube length and there are way too many variables to guesstimate.
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           vintage Masi bicycles posted by John E on 10/29/2007 at 6:45:21 AM
Required viewing for all Masi fans: "Breaking Away," in which our young hero rides a red Gran Criterium.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   vintage Masi bicycles posted by John B. on 10/29/2007 at 3:49:55 PM
Thanks again, I remember the movie "Breaking Away" but didn't remember he was riding a Masi Gran Criterium, did remember how disillusioned he bacame with all things Italian. After this love-affair with anything Italian. As I recall some Italian road-racer stuck his bicycle pump into his back wheel and he went down. That would have done it for me as well. That was the right movie?? Old age is a bitch... on the bright side I will soon be able to enjoy everything again for the first time... : ) JOHN
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   vintage Masi bicycles posted by John J on 10/29/2007 at 6:57:23 PM
The pump in the spokes was the part that was the least realistic, even the drafting the truck in the 42t ring was better. Seen guys get hit by spectators, but never a pump in the spokes, a series of attacks would have been much more real, but less Hollywood.

It appears ther is no more interest in referencing the two bikes.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   vintage Masi bicycles posted by Frank Z. on 3/13/2008 at 5:08:12 PM
I toured Europe in 1984 & had a Masi custom built, equiped with Super Record. By the time I received the bike a year later, I was out of racing & never rode. Kept it in a bike case for years, bright blue color with yellow trim. Anybody have an idea what it's worth, Thanks
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   vintage Masi bicycles posted by Frank Z. on 3/13/2008 at 5:13:51 PM
I toured Europe in 1984 & had a Masi custom built, equiped with Super Record. By the time I received the bike a year later, I was out of racing & never rode. Kept it in a bike case for years, bright blue color with yellow trim. Anybody have an idea what it's worth, Thanks
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AGE / VALUE:   90.91 Schwinn World Sport 12 speed posted by: Ron on 10/26/2007 at 4:19:03 PM
Hey Ken, Can you tell me what issues you ran into when adding the third chain ring to the sugino crank set. I just got a 26 but i then found that the mounting holes have no threds. It looks like i will have to tap them out and add a spacer to mount it with the proper spacing between inner and middle chain rings.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   90.91 Schwinn World Sport 12 speed posted by Gralyn on 10/27/2007 at 8:37:12 AM
Or, you could find a crank that already has the holes threaded. I'm sure they aren't too hard to find - and not too expensive. Most of the time - the bottom bracket spindle is sufficiently long enough on the right side to accomodate the triple chainrings....that is, the 3rd chainring is out far enough and won't hit the chain stay. (of course, I have attempted to put a triple on an actual "racing" bike - and it would not accomodate it. But, with a World Sport - there should be no problem.

I have several crank sets with the holes there - but the holes had never been tapped. ....and I have some with the holes tapped. And....most of the front ders. will also have sufficient motion to accomodate a triple.

A triple sure can make a big difference in hilly terrain.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   90.91 Schwinn World Sport 12 speed posted by Barb on 10/28/2007 at 9:41:47 PM
I have a Schwinn World Tourist here, lady's 3 speed, all original Chicago 60639. What's it worth? Condition is good, needs tires and chain is rusty.
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AGE / VALUE:   1963 Gazelle posted by: Lisa on 10/25/2007 at 2:04:00 PM
I am very seriously considering purchasing a 1963 Gazelle lightweight road bike. It is in fair condition: decals are scratched, half missing, a little surface rust, chrome looks pretty. good. The cloth screen fromt he chain guard and back wheel are missing, but it looks like everything else on bike is original. Including hub generated light!

I love this bike - the uniqueness of the chain ring alone has got me mesmerized. But I have no idea how much it is worth, or how much I should be willing to pay....

any ideas?


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   1963 Gazelle posted by ronp6 on 10/26/2007 at 3:06:28 PM
You should post this in the English and 3 speed area. You are more likely to get a knowledgable response.

I like the rod brakes. They won't stop the bike in the rain but you'll even look good after the crash. I'd pay $100 but I'm cheap.
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AGE / VALUE:   vintage ancona posted by: marcus on 10/25/2007 at 11:00:13 AM
i have an old bike called an ancona spirit it says it is made in holland i cant find any info about it maybe someone can help me thanks
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FOR SALE:   1975 Italvega Superlight posted by: Tom Cat on 10/24/2007 at 11:43:17 AM
Father bought in 1975 for $1,300. Finest manufacturered bike in the world in 1975. Full Nuovo Record Campagnolo components. Columbus SL frame with chromed/drilled dropouts. Bike has custom drilling (brake calipers/handles, chainrings, base of bottom bracket/frame) by ItalVega. A work of art. I have not seen another being sold. Has less than 500 miles on it. This bike is all original and in perfect condition. Has been in storage for 25 years. I have no idea what it is worth. But would like for someone who can appreciate it to make a good home for it.
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           RE:FOR SALE:   1975 Italvega Superlight posted by Tom Cat on 10/24/2007 at 11:50:13 AM
Here is a link to Wikipedia and this bike is just like mine, except the Superlight was one model above with the custom milling and drilling done by Italvega.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italvega


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           :FOR SALE: 1975 Italvega Superlight posted by John E on 10/29/2007 at 6:43:25 AM
It sounds like a fabulous bike, Tom. The first step in listing any bicycle or frame for sale is to list the lengths of the seat tube (specifying whether you measured center-to-center or center-to-top) and the top tube (always measured center-to-center). Size matters. :)
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           RE:FOR SALE:   1975 Italvega Superlight posted by seat tube measurement on 10/30/2007 at 6:56:36 PM
John...thank you for your interest....the downtube is stamped 55.5, I am assuming centimeters....never have measured a top tube before, but I guess I'm old school...I will include top tube measurements when I can. When you say center to center, I am assuming center of downtube to center of headset in-line with the top tube, correct? I will also try to include picture of the drilling and cut-outs, quite honestly nothing out there that I have ever seen of that level of detail. Thanks again!-
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           RE:FOR SALE:   1975 Italvega Superlight posted by not downtube but seat tube and a Redcay on 10/30/2007 at 8:16:09 PM
Also John....apologize about my use of downtube, rather than seat-tube re 55.5cm with the Italvega....I also have a Jim Redcay Columbus SL DB frame fitted with Campy S/R, Early/mid 80's...a bit larger frame than the Italvega Superlight (have to measure, probably around 58cm seat-tube), w/Modolo drilled brakes, 50th anniversary Campy milled Cinelli 1A stem, heat treated sew-up rims, in mint condition. All top of the line stuff in it's day...
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