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AGE / VALUE:   Kestrel, Made in England. Info plz! posted by: Nick on 8/28/2007 at 7:50:20 PM
I picked up a Kestrel at a bike swap meet for $20 the owner couldnt sell on eBay. The previous owner was trying to sell the bike for $800 and Im not sure if it is worth even half as much. The frame is 531 cro-mo, has a "Hawthorne Cycle and Motor Co." matching saddle(also says KESTREL where the normal "BROOKS" would be), and 26x1 1/4 rims with the notorious H.R. Pattern hubs (fixed/freewheel) and cotter cranks. It is a faded gold color, with kestrel on the seat tube and track (pista) type drop bars. I have e-mailed Sheldon Brown about it and he said he has only heard of an english company by that name, but has never seen one. any information would be greatly appreciated. I will get pics up soon. Thanks.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: Kestrel, Made in England. Info plz! posted by Warren on 8/28/2007 at 8:13:21 PM
Funny, Hercules made a 531 frame called a Kestrel in 1950. I have a low res catalogue scan but it certainly was a club-style, EA1 wheeled bike. They made a comfort bike with flat bars with the same name. Maybe Hercules rebranded some bikes for a Hawthorne reseller. Have a look at the lugs...do they have small oval cuouts? Are the lugs pinned? These are typical of early 50's Hercs. I'll send you the catalogue scan.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Kestrel, Made in England. Info plz! posted by Warren on 8/28/2007 at 8:15:37 PM
And the HR pattern hubs sound correct too.
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Kestrel, Made in England. Info plz! posted by Nick on 8/28/2007 at 8:33:31 PM
It does have ovalish cutouts on the lugs... they are crazy long. I've never seen lugs that long! Thanks for the info, what do you mean by "pinned"? Do you know of any websites for information regarding the models? Thanks again
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Kestrel, Made in England. Info plz! posted by Warren on 8/29/2007 at 6:05:43 AM
if look around the circumference of the lugs, you may find little bumps that are the heads of pins used to hold the tubes in place before brazing. Old school stuff. My '54 Herc club bike has them as well as oval cutouts although mine aren't really "crazy long"
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Kestrel, Made in England. Info plz! posted by CHRIS on 9/12/2007 at 1:20:34 PM
I ALSO HAVE CATALOG SCANS OF THIS AND IT IS A HERCULES.

I'M WANTING ONE OF THESE BIKES
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AGE / VALUE:   Trying to identify italian road frame posted by: Ben on 8/28/2007 at 11:27:06 AM
I know very little about this frame. I got it stripped of paint and badge. I assembled it for some shake down rides before painting and here are some pictures of it as a bike and as a frame. The seat post is 26.8, its Italian threaded, the dropouts are campagnolo but I know nothing else.

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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Trying to identify italian road frame posted by David on 8/31/2007 at 4:43:11 AM
I assume it's pretty light. Why not try Classic Rendezvous email list? (Read the rules before you sign up, however) There's a lot of people who are very knowledgeable about Italian bikes and have enough time on their hands to think about yours!
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Trying to identify italian road frame posted by Todd on 9/12/2007 at 7:25:44 PM
Looking for information on a
Sesto G.C. Tempesta road bike.
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AGE / VALUE:   Bianchi age posted by: Mike on 8/27/2007 at 12:10:41 PM
I recently purchased a ealy 90's, late 80's Bianchi. I would like to know the year and quality of the frame. The frame is made from Columbus formula two tubing, Bianchi crank, 14 speed drivetrain, suntour 9000 rear and front derailer, Shimono 105 brake levers, Modulo brakes, FSA black rims, frame is celeste green with a black fork and black rear triangle. Black Bianchi stem. Nice looking ride. I would really appreciate any way to ID this bike. Has a sticker that says "campione del mondo 1986-1987 colorado Spings" on the bottom of the seat tube and made in italy sticker.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: Bianchi age posted by John E on 8/27/2007 at 1:32:45 PM
I can't pin it down any closer than you have, but it sounds like a keeper. Modolo brake calipers would not have been paired with Shimano levers, so something is aftermarket there. The Bianchi-branded crankset was made by Ofmega.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bianchi age posted by T-Mar on 9/14/2007 at 1:33:31 PM
It's a mid-range, 1987 model. Formula II was actually a Columbus tre-tubi frameset. The downtube is SP, the top and seat tube were SL (unless it is a large frame, in which case they are all SP) and the stays are Aelle. I agree with John on the aftermarket levers. The SunTour/Ofmega/Modolo is actually original. The 1987 Camapione d'Italia had a similar mix with Cyclone 7000 derailleurs. So yours is probaly one notch and maybe $100-$150 more than the C d'I, which cost $495.














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AGE / VALUE:   Tomos Bicycle posted by: Mary on 8/26/2007 at 6:28:12 PM
Hello! A great trip to the Goodwill today. What did I see out of the corner of my eye, but a vintage blue bike that needed someone to take it home and care for it. :-)
I checked it out, the chain was good, free wheel good, Cogs all good, spokes all there, tires flat but good, fenders and rack good. So I gave the lady my $10 and took it home, scrubbed it up and found this out:
1. The brand is Tomos
2. Made in Yugoslavia
3. Dated at 1970 on the rear axle
All I can find online about Tomos is that they make mopeds.

Please, does anyone have any information about this bike or the company that made them? Perhaps a value to the bike?
I can try to upload a picture if that would help.
Thanks everyone,
Cheers from rainy and cold Washington!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: Tomos Bicycle posted by Mary on 8/26/2007 at 6:39:11 PM
Oh yeah, sorry...
It has one handlebar brake and coaster brakes and is one speed. The tires are 26 x 1.75 and the seat is San Marcus.
Thanks'
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Tomos Bicycle posted by Mary on 8/27/2007 at 9:07:30 AM
Here is a photo.


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           RE:AGE / VALUE: Tomos Bicycle posted by John E on 8/27/2007 at 1:35:18 PM
Hello Mary. Please repost under middleweights, where you are far more likely to get constructive responses to your inquiry.
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AGE / VALUE:   Mystery Dawes posted by: stu on 8/24/2007 at 1:06:09 PM
Good morning!
New to the group as I just found a nice old Dawes at a yard sale last weekend and trying to discover the vintage. It has some nice features such as headtube oilers with Cloisonne headbage, Alatet headset, Simplex suicide shifter on front and a 4 speed cluster/fixed hub (Normandy font and rear)with a very vintage Simplex Juy shifter(like a Tour de France?)with the stop having a spoke holder on the chainstay, Baylis Wiley BB with a nice lockring feature, etc. The frame is deep blue, with a white headtube and white on the seat tube. Any ideas what it could be? I have posted some pics if you want to see it.Thanks!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: Mystery Dawes posted by Warren on 8/24/2007 at 2:24:48 PM
I'm no expert but I'd guess that it's mid to late 50's. Really ineresting bike...nice find! What are the bars, stem, hubs and brakes?

The Simplex derailleur may help you date it...look here.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/'hadland/schmitzderailleurs.html
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Mystery Dawes posted by stu on 8/24/2007 at 2:48:33 PM
Hi Warren,
Thanks for the reply and the help on potentially dating the cycle.The serial numbers are stamped on the left rear dropout, but I haven't found any reference anywhere to dating by numbers.The bars have some nice engraving, but I can't see a maker yet as I haven't unwrapped them.the brake lever have a good quality Dawes vinyl cover.
the stem is marked GB and is made from the exotic forged alloy Hiduminium! The hubs are high flange Normandy with the rear having a fixed gear on the left and a 4 speed cluster on the drive side, so with the suicide shifter for the double chain ring its a very modern 8 speed. The brakes are Weinmann 730's. It also has a nice discreet bottom bracket oiler on the left side.It doesnt have original rims by the look, but they are 27 x1 1/4.
I looked at Tonys's site re the derailleur but still haven't found the exact one yet. It is a single cable system, marked Juy Simplex. The seat post is not original, but the saddle is a Brooks Professional,going through an application of Proofide.

Thanks again for your help. I'll probably gently tear it down this weekend and see what other treasures I find!
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Mystery Dawes posted by Warren on 8/24/2007 at 5:24:02 PM
Great score, a real keeper. The parts you mention are all desireable, not that you would part it out. Shame about the rear mudguard...Bluemel Tour de France or something more exotic like Lefol? Frankly, this bike looks like a traditional french or italian bike. If it wasn't for the Dawes headbadge and lampbracket on the right fork...
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Mystery Dawes posted by stu on 8/25/2007 at 8:27:24 AM
So you don't think $3 was too much to pay at the yard sale?

The fenders on the front have 3 stars with some ornate filigree around the mounting bracket, same for the rear sans the stars.May be able to salvage and remount on some new fenders.

Looking forward to the project, should be fun.
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Mystery Dawes posted by Warren on 8/25/2007 at 5:56:55 PM
$3?

You'e killing us Stu...
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           Mystery Dawes posted by John E on 8/31/2007 at 8:52:34 PM
How is it geared? I love half-step, specifically something like 49-46 / 14-16-18-20 or -21.
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           RE: Mystery Dawes posted by Stu on 9/12/2007 at 12:04:53 PM
Hi John, Sorry for the late reply, got sidetracked on a few other projects. The gearing appears to be 49-46/15-17-19-22. That make any sense?I saw a nice Dawes, similar in colour scheme,for sale on Ebay in England, but no real details. Thanks for asking!
Stu
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WANTED:   32h/40h rims posted by: Jack Anderson on 8/22/2007 at 7:33:21 PM
I need a pair of 27" European-made alloy clincher rims, 1960s vintage or earlier, a 32-hole for front and a 40-hole for rear. I plan to mount 28s or narrower tires.
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           RE:WANTED: 32h/40h rims posted by Warren on 8/23/2007 at 5:46:16 AM
There weren't too many brands making those wheels before the 60's in alloy. Maybe Constrictor but they will be big dollars.

Even steel Dunlops aren't easy to find.
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           RE:WANTED:   32h/40h rims posted by Jack Anderson on 8/23/2007 at 9:38:30 AM
Anything up to about 1970 is fine. I am thinking Weinmann Concave, for example. Weren't they made in the 60s? I am not looking for anything too exotic....
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           RE:WANTED: 32h/40h rims posted by Warren on 8/23/2007 at 5:50:06 PM
Weinmans did come in 32/40 I believe. Great rims too.
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           RE:WANTED: 32h/40h rims posted by sam on 8/27/2007 at 9:56:17 AM
Super Champion model 58(I think that stands for 1958 but not positive)40 hole tandem rims can be found not sure about the 32s.36 can be found.Wolber took over the super champion line and made model 58 rims for a number of years.At present Sun rims come 32/40s in 27".
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           RE:WANTED:   32h/40h rims posted by Jack Anderson on 8/31/2007 at 8:21:28 AM
I have just found a 27" 40-hole Wolber M59, which is black anodized with machined sidewalls. Now to find a 32h version of the same, if possible. I'd still like to find an older 32/40 rim set in plain alloy, as well -- the Sun rims would be practical, but I am trying to keep the bike in question "European," if I can. Either 27" or 700c would be okay, as long as the model was made around 1970 or earlier. I am surprised at how hard it seems to be to find what I am after!
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AGE / VALUE:   steel LOOK frames posted by: jp on 8/21/2007 at 10:52:56 AM
Did LOOK make steel frames in the 80s, before they developed their carbon frames?
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WANTED:   Raleigh Grand Prix Info Wanted posted by: Mike on 8/19/2007 at 6:35:12 PM
Threaded Hub????
I recently pixed up a very clean Raleigh Grand Prix 10 Speed Rd Bk. I am quessing its from the 70's. Serial # starts with 28. It has a 5 speed freewheel but i noticed the other side of the hub is threaded also. I have also seen this on an older Ross as well. Can anyone let me no what these unused threads are for.
Thanks in advance, Mike
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           RE:WANTED: Raleigh Grand Prix Info Wanted posted by Warren on 8/21/2007 at 5:37:46 AM
This hub came up for discussion a few weeks ago. This is likely a Brompton flip flop hub made in the old skool style. The other threads usually take a fixed cog and lockring. This hub style hearkens back to the days of path bikes. Not valuable item but a conversation piece just the same.
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           RE:WANTED:   Raleigh Grand Prix Info Wanted posted by Mike Baldwin on 9/1/2007 at 4:11:59 AM
I salvaged a steel BROMPTON (clearly marked) flip/flop hub.

One side was standard ISO threading, the other French. It was built with a steel, 27" REGINA rim, with what I'll call "braking enhancements" on the rim sidewall.

I was impressed with the hubs "robust" heft and high quaility chrome. I believe this hub is similar to the one Sheldon Brown used on his fixed gear tandem build.
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MISC:   Peugeot U-08 Seatpost posted by: Nick on 8/19/2007 at 11:30:12 AM
Can anyone tell me the size of the original seatpost for a 1972-73 Peugeot U-08? The seatpost size should be stamped at the minimum insertion line on the seatpost. Appreciate your help, Thanks! Nick
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           RE:MISC:   Peugeot U-08 Seatpost posted by Gralyn on 8/19/2007 at 7:40:30 PM
You might check Sheldon Brown - I believe he has a seat post size chart on his site.
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           Peugeot U-08 Seatpost posted by John E on 8/24/2007 at 12:02:59 PM
I'll measure the diameter of mine (1970 UO-8; should be the same) when I get home. Mine has neither a size nor a safe insertion line stamped on it. Do you have the shim which fits into the seat cluster lug?
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           Peugeot U-08 Seatpost posted by John E on 8/26/2007 at 3:02:46 PM
I just checked; the seatpost of my 1970 UO-8 is 25.6mm, which makes sense for a straight-gauge steel frame with a French seat tube outer diameter of 28.0mm instead of the more familiar 28.6mm. Mine does take a thin OEM cylindrical steel shim at the binder bolt.
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MISC:   Arctic - a bit of non technical history posted by: Stephen on 8/19/2007 at 8:04:40 AM
I showed up at a local church sale one day and 10 minutes late. Five nice bikes where being loaded on top of a mini van, most likely to be put in a container and sent back to the purchaser's homeland.
But there were two bikes left in their wake, one of the bike's color scheme caught my eye, Black, Lime Green and Purple. Upper midwesterners are swaddled in this color scheme from craddle to grave, Artic Cat snowmobiles. Other posting tell more about the specs of the bike but none mention a three speed freewheel(ATOM) and the tiniest derailer I've ever seen that my find has.

Heres a bit of history I discovered that same day while reading No Hands, The Rise and Fall of the Schwinn Bicycle Company, An American Institution(Crown and Coleman, Henry Holt and Company, New York, Page 132). It was discussing Bevil Hogg a co-founder of Trek. "The child of a civil engineer who worked throughout Africa building roads, Hogg as a teenager moved to Europe to study in Switzerland and France. He started an import-export company and moved to America during the bike boom to sell French cycles. After some minor success, he was introduced to a company in Minnesota that had made a fortune selling snowmobiles. Seeking to diverify the seasonal business, the company ordered a shipment of bikes in the unlikely colors of chartreuse and purple. Hogg says he had the dubious task of selling the models to North Woods snowmobile dealers with beaver pelts on their shop walls. "They looked at me pretty blankly." The chartreuse bikes didn't sell, but he earned enough cash to open his shops."
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AGE / VALUE:   Someone help me ID this bike, vitus? posted by: Justin on 8/18/2007 at 11:42:35 AM
I just picked this bike up for $130. It's in great shape, and is a high quality bike. Problem is I have no idea what it is. The headbadge says "topeka schwinn". The top tube has a "vitus" decal. Dura ace 7401 rear derailleur, Dura ace hubs, front derailleur, shifters, brake levers. Shimano 600 headset and crank. The handlebars and stem probably aren't original. Tubular wheels, Wolbler profile 20 (profile 18 front) rims on dura ace hubs. The numbers under the bb shell read "E080525. It also has a fancy stamped "CLB" and the word "Brevel" under the bb shell. There are more words, but they are underneath the cable guide. I'll take that off in a bit and figure that out. The crank has the letters LL stamped, indicating a 1987 year if the crank is original.

Does anyone have any idea what this bike is, and what year it is? also approximate value would be great.

Thanks in advance

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           RE:AGE / VALUE: Someone help me ID this bike, vitus? posted by Justin on 8/18/2007 at 11:53:57 AM
heres one pic


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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Someone help me ID this bike, vitus? posted by Warren on 8/18/2007 at 4:21:56 PM
That would be a Vitus frame methinks. Google some images. Here's a link to rear dropouts just like yours...
http://www.kichline.com/chuck/bikes/bits/vitus/vitus3.jpg
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Someone help me ID this bike, vitus? posted by David on 8/22/2007 at 5:23:05 PM
Didn't Vitus make aluminum frames as well as steel frame tubing? Is this aluminum or steel (magnet)?


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AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn World Sport 14 Speed- Need info on posted by: John on 8/17/2007 at 8:48:12 AM
I just bought a like-new condition, black with silver lettering, 14 speed, chrome-moly 52CM frame, Schwinn World Sport bike. It also says "Made in China" on the frame seat post and the head badge says "Schwinn Quality"
I was wondering what year it was made and how much it weighs. I looked online and found a forum with scanned pages of actual Schwinn catalogs from 1979 to 1989 and could not find the bike. There were "World Sports" but their descriptions didn't match my bike's.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn World Sport 14 Speed- Need info on posted by Gralyn on 8/17/2007 at 9:44:47 AM
There may be a date code stamped on the head badge. It would be a 4-digit number. I think the 1st 3 digits are the Julian day, the last digit is the year. Many of the components also have date codes on them - so that would also help to determine the year. If you can post a picture of it - someone could probably help narrow it down.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn World Sport 14 Speed- Need info on posted by David on 8/18/2007 at 5:22:07 AM
Why don't you just step on the bathroom scale and weigh it?
The mfr's weight claims are always lies anyway. I don't think it can be much older than mid-80s with a 7-speed freewheel.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Schwinn World Sport 14 Speed- Need info on posted by John from La Grange. Illinois on 9/24/2007 at 10:50:47 AM
Thanks for the input, Gralyn and David!

After much research and help from two other forums I post on, I found out that I have a 1990 World Sport was made on the 191st day of July (which would be the 10th), in the year 1990 as the "1910" stamp on the bike's head badge would indicate. It has the original 14 speed gearing with index stem mounted shifters. I also found that the advertised weight for this year of Schwinn World Sport was 26 pounds.
I just added some toe clips and new Schwinn racing seat and now I am happily biking along!

Again thanks for your input!

JohnsWorldSport


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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Schwinn World Sport 14 Speed- Need info on posted by John from La Grange. Illinois on 9/24/2007 at 11:04:28 AM
Here's a larger picture of my 1990 Schwinn World Sport, before the installation of toe clips. My brother-in-law found it on Craiglist for $80 and was able to bargain down to $40! My LBS did not find any major problems with it and after changing the rear knobby tread tire to match the front smooth tread tire, a minor tune up and a general cleaning up by me, which did not take long because it was already in greta condition, this is how it looks now.

John from La Grange, Illinois
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn World Sport 14 Speed- Need info on posted by Rockin Ron on 10/17/2007 at 4:40:31 PM
I have the same bike But black with turquoise lettering.
can a third 22 tooth sprocket be added to the crank set. It looks like their is mounts for it
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MISC:   tebag brand bike posted by: john on 8/16/2007 at 6:24:01 AM
i was given a pair of bicycles by a 87 year old bicycle collector and ive searched the web and cant find another tebag. there is a reference to a swiss racing team. they are city bike 3 speed internal hubs, with generator light systems, built in locks without the keys, ornate paint around lugs. nice bikes, fair condition. any ideas what they are? no pics yet. thanks, john and josh.
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AGE / VALUE:   012 Tubing posted by: Gralyn on 8/15/2007 at 4:44:57 AM
Anyone heard of 012 Tubing?
I have an old Puch - the frame sticker says 012. I know what 022 is (I have a really nice bike or two with 022 tubing). But, this Puch is low-end....seems to be maybe late 70's or very early 80's....stamped dropouts....steel wheels (rear is bolt-on), steel seat post, steel bars, stem shifters, alloy cranks, alloy stem. I have never seen that tubing designation.
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WANTED:   70s era Motobecane posted by: Mark on 8/14/2007 at 6:30:28 PM
I am looking for a 70s era Motobecane le Champion. I road/raced this bike as a youth and I would like one for nostalgic reasons. Frame or complete extra pointsd for a torquoise blue/white color scheme. Thanks for you help.
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           RE:WANTED:   70s era Motobecane posted by Dave on 9/24/2007 at 2:26:20 PM
Did you find the Le Champion you're looking for. They come up on Ebay from time to time. I picked up a '74 off Craigslist a couple years ago.
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