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AGE / VALUE:   Hercules ID help needed posted by: frank on 11/28/2010 at 11:47:50 AM
I found an old Hercules frame. It has a 27.0 seat post, BB oiler, double taper seat stays with a head angle of 72 and seat angle of 70. The number on the seat lug is EF 12573.
There are "buttons" brazed to the downtube for shifter and cable guide stops. No mounting for chainguard or pump and it was originally gold (from inside BB shell)

Any hope of model and age range?


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules ID help needed posted by Keith Body on 11/28/2010 at 3:49:53 PM
From the seat cluster I would guess late 1950's, just before they were produced by raleigh. Also expect the seat pillar to be more like 26mm, and are you sure about the angles? There may be some catalogues and frame numbers out there.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules ID help needed posted by frank on 11/30/2010 at 4:30:02 PM
I would say my measurements are fairly accurate, I am a machinist with quality tools. I found this painted frame with rare track wheels and a brooks B17 saddle. I just recently noticed the large seat pillar and pinged the tubes to find a brilliant ring. The serial number, geometry and tube specifications are all I have to go by. The geometry is something like my 60's Carleton so I am guessing it was some type of sport bike. There is no mention of geometry in the scans I viewed. I will compare the weight to my other 531 bikes and see how it fares weight wise. The fork crown looks pretty cheesy but the dropouts are thick and odd for a British bike. They were modded for metric axle. The fork looks hand raked with a wide radius

I fits 26's or 700's nicely.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules ID help needed posted by Keith Body on 12/2/2010 at 12:08:53 PM
Frank, I would like to see some detailed pictures.
I met Frank Southall (pre-war place to place record man) when he was sales manager for Hercules, and during the 1950's they had Eileen Sheridan doing place to place records, and later had part of a team in the tour de france. This does not look like any of these, and the seat cluster looks just like a common hercules.
So lets have a look at the bike, wheels and details. If you don't wish to put them on here, email to me.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules ID help needed posted by Keith Body on 12/2/2010 at 1:23:56 PM
Frank, I found this 1953 Hercules catalogue, complete with prices. From 1954 to 57 I was retailing Raleigh, BSA Hercules and others. I do not recall ever seeing the "racing" models, and I doubt if the track racer was ever in production, it is all wrong. The Maestro would not have made it to a start line either.
Anything in this like yours?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikegerrish/sets/72157622633388334/

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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules ID help needed posted by frank on 12/3/2010 at 4:40:32 PM
Hi, I had to go back to '51 to find the right combination of color, tubing and lugs. The thing that isn't matching is the geometry. I found an owner of a club bike of similar vintage also made from 531 and he was kind enough to weigh it for comparison. I am sure the wheels must have been changed at some point.

I have several Raleigh and brit bikes going back to '21. I love 'em.


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules ID help needed posted by Keith Body on 12/4/2010 at 12:50:16 PM
Frank, Looked through your pics, quite a collection, but 1 Hercules? I would expect a frame with forks, standard bracket and head fittings in butted 531 to be 6.5 pounds, plain gauge 531 3 tubes about 7.5 pounds. 27mm inside seat tube would be tight in 20g, 27.2mm fits 23g butted seat tube. If you tap 531 you will probably get a dull sound, the sharper ring is cheaper carbon steel.

After WW2 the british bike factories still produced catalogues containing some prewar style bikes, for the "clubman" market that had ceased to exist. The recreational cyclists purchased their bikes from specialist lightweigh dealers (I was one) in components. This was partly because 20% purchase tax was on complete bikes not components. The big manufacturers thought they were making "club" bikes, but these were sold to schoolboys and teenagers. Hercules had a further problem with this market. Sometimes bikes were bought partly to impress friends. But Hercules were still identified by their pre-war sales campaign of marketing the cheapest bike, at under £4 (GBP), so were still seen as cheap.

I liked that Raleigh from the mid thirties, a true pre-war clubman bike for the recreational cyclist of the time.

Perhaps some more detail pics might help?
Keith


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules ID help needed posted by frank wadelton on 12/4/2010 at 5:03:23 PM
I will get a few more pics tomorrow. I checked the confirmed the measurements today and noticed there were no signs of a pump peg.

I only have the frame at this point. I should have kept the wheels but that is an old regret at this point. The rest of the components were odd early Asian parts. I did measure the width of the BB shell and found it to be only 65.5mm wide.


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules ID help needed posted by frank on 12/5/2010 at 12:56:51 PM
OK, I got a few more pics. Here is a link to the set. http://www.flickr.com/photos/52448896@N08/sets/72157625486481666/

The frame measures 21" even from BB center to end of seat tube. 22.5" center to center for TT length. The BB drop is 2.75". I weighed the frame and it was 5.5 lbs. The scale, while electronic is rather large so that could be off though I don't know. The fork is exactly 2 lbs.

I don't have an accurate bore gauge that measures under 1" diameter so I used a divider type caliper and it seemed to be larger than 27mm but I was able to insert a 26.8 reamer by hand.

Nails were used to hold the frame together during brazing and the head tube vents are punched rectangular. The fork drops are thick but were hacked to fit 9mm axles. It has been repainted but not before a thorough grit blasting. It is a metalic root-beer color that looks pretty ruddy brown in places. There is some traces of a very bright gold in the BB shell.

It sounds like the other 531 frames when "pinged". The fork blades are much larger diameter at the bottom than most old forks.

It could be pre '51 with the BB shell offset for some BB mounted early tensioner. That might explain the slack seat angle pared with 72 head angle (later was 72/72). I would have thought there would be some other odd braze-ons for the rear mech had that been the case. I don't know when they started adding braze-on pump pegs.


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules ID help needed posted by Keith Body on 12/5/2010 at 2:07:11 PM
Frank, the pictures help a little. It has the look of a standard hercules frame, I can't remember them being pinned before brazing, but all the genuine raleighs were.
The weight of frame and fork at 8 pounds without bearings is about right for a standard frame. As the bottom bracket is out you could try the "finger up the tube" to see if you can feel a seam. The forks don't look right, but appear in the picture to have been beaten into shape, quite normal for a frame builder, but not to be visible.
If a solid fork crown then unlikely to be original, where the crown would be pressed and welded. Also the fork blades would probably have had a "D" section.

Also is that the remains of a pump peg near the top of the down tube?

Not much help really.
Keith
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules ID help needed posted by frank on 12/5/2010 at 6:08:59 PM
I was looking over some older catalogs when it dawned on me that what I thought to be stops on the downtube were actually remains of severed pump pegs. I felt a bit sick.

The fork has the pressed crown with a slip-on chrome cover and d-shaped legs as mentioned.

I actually have another Herc, only it's a roadster in pretty rough shape. Ill take the cranks and hubs from that to get this thing going.

Thanks a lot for all your help. I would like to send you an email and if you don't mind, have some further conversations. It's great to meet someone who has such a great depth of experience with these machines. Thanks again.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules ID help needed posted by Keith Body on 12/6/2010 at 6:21:27 AM
Frank, I will always reply with genuine personal opinions, whether it's what you want to hear or not.
Keith
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FOR SALE:   OCR2 Giant $600.00 posted by: Brian on 11/23/2010 at 3:28:46 PM
OCR2 Giant Aero composite Medium size in good condition.Selling for $600 or best offer
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AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Sovereign posted by: John Thompson on 11/19/2010 at 6:01:20 AM
I posted this under English Roadsters but it may be more appropriate here so I am posting again. I have an Armstrong Sovereign (from the UK) that I have done a partial restoration. It is somewhere around 50 years old. I came across it in the early 70s. It has a Reynolds 531 frame and seems to be a women’s “touring” style bike because there are connection points for fenders and also a braze-on on the right side fork which may have been for a light generator. Originally, it had a brooks saddle and campy gear train but those are long gone. I would like to put campy back on but am unsure of one aspect. Note the down-tube shifters are on “braze-ons” and there is another small braze-on socket a couple inches below the right hand shifter. For the life of me, I can’t figure out what it is for. It seems located such that there may have been a cable housing from there to the shifter but I have never seen any shifters with a socket for the other end of the short housing. Have you seen anything like this before. Also, there are braze-ons for a pump but I can’t find an 18” pump to fit. I’d appreciate any info you may have. Thanks,


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Sovereign posted by Keith Body on 11/19/2010 at 9:42:57 AM
John, As you probably know, Armstrong were part of the TI Phillips group, But somehow were still allowed to make some quite decent bikes.
The mudguards and lamp bracket boss would be standard for a UK sports bike, and probably necessary over here.
I can't see the brazed on cable stop? but the original campagnolo gear levers might have had a short outer cable.
Keith
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Sovereign posted by John Thompson on 11/19/2010 at 5:30:22 PM
Here is a close-up of the cable stop:


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Sovereign posted by John Thompson on 11/19/2010 at 5:32:20 PM
Trying to post the pic one more time


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Sovereign posted by Keith Body on 11/20/2010 at 3:12:04 AM
John, my best idea is that the original Campagnolo gear control was fitted with the backplate for an outer cable, and this was used to keep the exposed cable parallel to the frame?
Keith
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Armstrong Sovereign posted by John Thompson on 11/20/2010 at 6:13:25 AM
Thanks Keith, that's my take also. Now if I can only find one of those, I'll put the campy back on. I appreciate the input.

John
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MISC:   Unknown frame circa 1930 posted by: Maurie Parish on 11/17/2010 at 8:50:25 AM
I am new to discusion forums so please excuse any errors. Can anybody help point me in the right direction in my attempts to identify this unusual frame.
It has a curved seat tube and curved chain stays. It is a 23 inch frame with a 40 1/2" wheel base. I am told the lugs are cira the 1930's. The frame number appears to be H22 or K22 or 422. the bottom bracket is cast "British, V, Made, GR" arranged on four separate rows of text. On the seat clamp lug is stamped "X142, APL" again two separate rows of text. Thanks in advance for any help anyone can give me -- Maurie
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           RE:MISC:   Unknown frame circa 1930 posted by Keith Body on 11/17/2010 at 10:04:07 AM
Maurie, If you can do some detailed pictures we might be able to help. If you can't upload them attach to my email address.

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           RE:RE:MISC:   Unknown frame circa 1930 posted by Maurie Parish on 11/17/2010 at 3:23:47 PM
Hi Keith

I did try to up load photo's but was unable to figure out how, I kept getting an error on the page. I could not get your email to work.
I have joined the Veteran Cycle Club and have been looking through the Library but its a bit difficult without some kind of clue on where to look.
I much appreciate you taking an interest.

Maurie
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           RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Unknown frame circa 1930 posted by Maurie Parish on 11/19/2010 at 5:18:42 AM
I am putting this reply on the thread so readers know can see progress/terminate the thread.
Keith thanks for showing an interest and offering to help. by pure chance surfing the net I came across "http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/alpex.html "Which appear to identify my frame --- Definitely worth restoring" regards Maurie


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AGE / VALUE:   Broken piece? posted by: Phillip on 11/16/2010 at 4:56:24 PM
I have a vintage peugeot road bike and where I shift on the axel, well that part broke off when I got into a crash. I don't know what this piece is called and I need to to know that to know how I should go about fixing it. Please help
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Broken piece? posted by jj on 11/17/2010 at 4:47:33 AM
Whatever piece it is, it should be easy to find one.
Is it on the wheel? Is is the "skewer" which holds the wheel on to the frame?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Broken piece? posted by Phillip on 11/17/2010 at 9:15:17 AM
Its the piece that holds the shift (?knobs?) into place, its an old ten speed so the shifters arern't on the handle bars as I'm sure you are aware. I just worry since those bikes are no longer manufactured that way I wont be able to find on, and I really need it for transportation purposes.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:Broken piece? posted by David on 11/17/2010 at 10:16:35 AM
The down tube shifters are damaged? You should be able to find a set of used shifters cheap and easy at any bike shop that does repairs. They should have drawers full of them.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Broken piece? posted by ken on 11/29/2010 at 11:24:21 AM
find out what part it is at
http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help
or if you want to know what a particular doohickey is, look up doohickey at
http://sheldonbrown.com/glossary.html
(doohickey's not there, but skewer and shifter are...)
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AGE / VALUE:   Anyone familiar with vintage Alpina road bike posted by: Brant on 11/13/2010 at 3:23:01 PM
Hi everyone and thanks in advance for any help. I have spent hours on google and various forums just trying to find some history on this bike. I am hoping to find out more about this bike such as age, quality, value and whether to restore it or not? Here is what I do know:

-Alpina headbadge and decals
-BCM stamped under headbadge
-Serial #12984
-Normandy hubs
-27" x 1 1/4" Rigida rims
-The Special IRC Tyre
-52/45 chain rings
-Durax crank arms
-ATOM freewheel
-MAFAC brakes
-PIVO stem
-Huret downtube shifters
-Huret front derailleur
-Huret Allvit rear derailleur

So that is everything I could find on the bike. I hope this helps finally figure out this mystery.


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Anyone familiar with vintage Alpina road bike posted by jj on 11/14/2010 at 4:26:03 AM
I see stuff about that cycle in the archives here.
Use the google search box at the top of any page.

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FOR SALE:   We're adding road bikes posted by: Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles at OldRoads.com on 11/11/2010 at 7:25:20 AM
We are adding more vintage road bikes to our "Bicycles For Sale" page here at OldRoads.com:

http://oldroads.com/bicycles_for_sale.asp

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FOR SALE:   Vintage Benotto Bicycle posted by: Jim Ford on 11/4/2010 at 6:21:44 PM
Vintage early 70’s Italian Benotto bike made with Ishiwata tubing, which is the premier bike tubing from Japan. It also has very nice Campagnolo Nuovo record components and some pantographed pieces, which makes it rare. It has Cinalli handlebars. $700 obo - Call Jim at 703-590-1595 for pictures
Seat tube is 61 cm
Top tube is 57.2 cm

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AGE / VALUE:   schwinn debutante posted by: rich on 11/2/2010 at 5:56:37 PM
I need a headlight for a 1961 Schwinn Debutante. I also have a 1963 Murray Astro Flght that has a light on the rear carrier. The bulb for it was a blinking bulb. Any idea where I can get one these bulbs? It has aa screw inn base and is powered by a single "C" cell.
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AGE / VALUE:   schwinn debutante posted by: rich on 11/2/2010 at 5:56:37 PM
I need a headlight for a 1961 Schwinn Debutante. I also have a 1963 Murray Astro Flyer that has a light on the rear carrier. The bulb for it was a blinking bulb. Any idea where I can get one these bulbs? It has aa screw inn base and is powered by a single "C" cell.
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AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Super Tourer posted by: Paul Murray on 10/31/2010 at 7:12:27 PM
Does anyone know anything about an early 70's Raleigh Super Tourer. I jsut bought one- pretty ugly color, but I'm goingto have it painted and then set it up as a touring bike. It's got 18" chian stays and is 42" long- way longer than my Raleigh Super course. I would love to get some decals for it to put on after it's painted. Anyway, ifyou know anything about them, give me a shout.

Paul
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Super Tourer posted by Steve on 11/3/2010 at 2:32:02 PM
I avoid repainting any older bike. You will usually regret it. If you love that particyular bike, sell the one you have a wait for one the right color to come along.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Super Tourer posted by ken on 11/5/2010 at 11:36:46 AM
http://sheldonbrown.com/retroraleighs/catalogs/Raleigh-Catalog-1974.pdf

Is it brown? I have regretted some attempts to paint that I did myself, but the pros can make it look like new, (or better,) and there's a long tradition of repainting road bikes. Paint if you want to. There's a list of professional restorers and decal suppliers on sheldon's links page.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Super Tourer posted by Paul on 12/1/2010 at 7:13:20 PM
I had the frame painted. It looks awesome. A deep green- from and Alph Romeo apint catalogue- Verde farina- green wheat i guess, with a vanilla head tube and a a section of the seat tube also vanilla. I treated the inside with Peter Weigel's frame treatment, polished all the chrome on the frame, and the old parts I'm using so they look new, am having new wheels built- 40 spokers with a generator hub in the front. Stainless fenders, a brooks saddle and a triple crank with a six speed free wheel. Im hoping to get agood tourer out of it. Pretty exciting. Antoher wek or two!!

Paul
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Super Tourer posted by jj on 12/2/2010 at 4:46:50 AM
Looking forward to seeing pictures
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MISC:   Another resource for you to use posted by: Vin – Menotomy Vintage Bicycles at OldRoads.com on 10/27/2010 at 5:41:18 AM
One of our philosophies here at OldRoads.com is to share the tools we use.
We share tools with our customers in the shop and we share our on-line tools with you, Dear Reader.
So here’s something we use when we determine how to price a used or vintage bicycle.
It reads classified ads and on-line auctions, every 10 minutes, from cities around the US.
This tool is slow to load, and it is not particularly user-friendly, but you may find it of value.

http://oldroads.com/active_bicycle_price_search.asp

-Vin


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AGE / VALUE:   Iverson 10 speed Grand Touring Bike posted by: A. on 10/23/2010 at 12:20:57 PM
I have a Iverson 10 speed yellow Grand Touring Bike bought at the Big N Dept. Store in the late 60's. Super Condition. What is it worth?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Iverson 10 speed Grand Touring Bike posted by jj on 10/24/2010 at 5:03:43 AM
There are Iversons listed in the 2 price guides here at OldRoads.com.
See the Price Guide tab at the top of any page.
There are several Iversons listed, including a model close to your (a Gran-Sport)
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AGE / VALUE:   What bike it is? posted by: Denis on 10/19/2010 at 3:55:21 PM
Hi there!
I hope this is wright place. I need help, could someone tell me what bike it is, my best guess is French mid 80 s.
Some specs.: wheels Rigida supercrom 27 inch, derailleurs Simplex, brakes ESGE Altenburger Brillant, tyres Stomil 32 630, light Larux tip 59, saddle Royal GT, cranckset Sugino (Japan) 40-52. There is some pics.

This is friend of mine bike, so i hope serial number is 183576 .

Many thanks!


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   What bike it is? posted by Denis on 10/19/2010 at 4:03:48 PM
Sorry i am posting pictures


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   What bike it is? posted by David on 10/21/2010 at 5:58:26 AM
I guess mid-70s European (maybe French) but very low end. It doesn't appear to be any well-known brand.
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           decathalon bmx one moto cross posted by michelle on 10/27/2010 at 7:09:35 PM
It says decathalon 100% Hi-Ten bmx-one moto-cross its a nice bike just looking for value just put some wor into it and just want some specs on it I can find the model anywhere any help please and thanks
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   What bike it is? posted by heather whitaker on 11/14/2010 at 9:21:33 AM
i have a bike that says amf roadmaster junior on it. does anyone know where to find serial number or how to find out the year it was made?
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AGE / VALUE:   70s Krystal posted by: Pete on 10/2/2010 at 12:11:27 PM
Today I bought a 1970s, (according to the original owner), Krystal, road / touring bike. Equipped with Dia-compe. I can't find any info about this bike. It is in excellent shape, but has no id, other than a badge on the front with the word Krystal. Any info? Thanks,Pete

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