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AGE / VALUE:   raliegh europer road racer posted by: iAN on 6/8/2007 at 4:04:30 AM
HI THERE I WAS WANTING TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT A BIKE I OWNED AS A YOUNG PERSON AND IF THERE WOULD BE ANY STILL AROUND TODAY. IT WAS A TEN SPEED RACER ,RED&YELLOW . I THINK IT WAS A SPECIAL ADDITION RALIEGH. RALIEGH EUROPER OLYMPIC TEAM 1950 , 1960? ANY INFORMATION WOULD BE APPRECIATED. THANK YOU
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   raliegh europer road racer posted by David on 6/11/2007 at 8:09:40 PM
Was it painted like this one?

http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/Peter-Kohler-Cycle-Collection/album94

Raleigh put out some lower end bikes painted the same way.
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MISC:   serial number posted by: Mike on 6/6/2007 at 7:25:13 PM
Thanks for the replies. I found the info I was looking for. This bike is indeed a Panasonic 10-speed. It is a 1972 World. It's definitely NOT a voyager, it doesn't have the right set-up. It is not a Traveller, Travellers were built at the Chicago plant. It is a very inexpensive, overlooked 10-speed which Panasonic built for Schwinn and simply called "World". These bikes were advertised rather quietly simply because Schwinn wanted to sell their more expensive models.
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           RE:MISC: serial number posted by Bob Hufford on 6/20/2007 at 5:02:36 PM
Your 'D2' serial number is an April of 1972 frame build for what would be the '73 model World Traveler. It might be missing the down tube decals.

http://www.geocities.com/sldatabook/detail7074.html#1973worldtraveler

http://www.geocities.com/sldbowners/1973/73wowners1.html

http://www.geocities.com/sldbgallery/1973/73wtrav01.html
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WANTED:   Bicycle Parts posted by: Bob on 6/5/2007 at 10:08:19 AM
I have a 3-speed Coast King that needs 26x1 3/8 tire tubes. Does anyone have these for sale?
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           RE:WANTED:   Bicycle Parts posted by David on 6/5/2007 at 2:42:20 PM
Your local bike shop should have 'em. Otherwise try bikepartsusa.com, harriscyclery.com, or others.
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           RE:RE:WANTED:   Bicycle Parts posted by Chris on 6/5/2007 at 5:29:59 PM
Hardware stores. Wal mart, e.t.c.
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           RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   Bicycle Parts posted by Dick in FL on 6/5/2007 at 10:51:01 PM
My Walmart here in Orlando recently ceased stocking 26x1-3/8" as well as 27x1-1/4" tires. Would some of you Walmart cruisers from around the country post the corresponding status in your respective areas?
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   Bicycle Parts posted by ken on 6/6/2007 at 11:28:47 AM
Same here, in Illinois, Dick. Nothing but cruiser 26" (559) and 20" bmx. Furthermore, they appear to be favoring the superheavy anti-puncture and self-sealing varieties... It's not so long ago every hardware store carried bike supplies. Part of the problem must be the proliferation of unnecessary new designs for reasons of planned obsolescence; no one fashion except 'old fashion' has any consistency.
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           RE:WANTED:   Bicycle Parts posted by Bryan on 6/6/2007 at 11:53:40 PM
I got a 26 3/8" tire and tube at Wal-Mart in Princeton, NJ earlier this week in anticipation of a 1948 Clubman I get tomorrow. I hate to run such a tank tire on that bike, but better than not riding it at all.

The selection did favor BMX, mountain, and cruisers much more than the 3 speed size. In fact, only 2 of the 3 speed size were left, so they may be on the way out here too.

I was always surprized to see that Wal-Mart carried these tires anyways. You really wouldn't expect it.
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           RE:WANTED:   Bicycle Parts posted by jason on 6/7/2007 at 7:33:34 AM
here in arkansas, near the wall mart headquarters they stopped selling 26x1"3/8,and 27" tubes, as well as any tire other than bells folding MBT tires. I used to get 27" tires there often enough that I don't see them using the "they don't sell well" exuse.
also, the other day I gritted my teeth and got a "three speed chain" to get a three speed sports going for a kid. It was about twelve links short.
so now I have no reason to go to a wall mart ever again, unless I need a truly bad dual suspention bike to then throw away when it gets a flat tire ar some such. I have seen it done.

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           RE:RE:WANTED:   Bicycle Parts posted by Chris on 6/7/2007 at 10:36:32 AM
Wal mart called up Huffy in Ohio and told them to farm out production overseas in order to lower costs. Or else! They did as instructed by the gods at Wal- mart. The fired everybody in Ohio and had the employees peeling off the American flag on the front of the bike before they were told to leave. They make the bikes overseas now. The ohio employees left their shoes in the parking spaces as a protest. I read this in some book recently and was appalled.

Wal mart is a very bad thing. They do this with other companies as well......
Whose next?
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           RE:WANTED:   Bicycle Parts posted by john on 6/7/2007 at 2:02:54 PM
Hey Jason I think what you meant to say was a truly bad 50 POUND suspension bike with wheels that wobble like Clark Griswald's Queen Size Family Truckster. john
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           RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   Bicycle Parts posted by Dick in FL on 6/8/2007 at 3:02:05 PM
Here's the kicker to your "Huffy in Ohio" post. Despite successive capitulations to Walmart, Huffy declared bankruptcy. Their main creditor was their Chinese subcontractor who took possession of the assets. To add insult to injury, the Celina, Ohio Huffy plant was re-developed into a Walmart Supercenter where former employees can now purchase Asian "Huffys".
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           Bicycle Parts posted by John E on 6/8/2007 at 8:51:09 PM
Since selection and quality are important to me, I can recall setting foot inside a WalMart store on only one occasion in my entire life; it was not a particularly enjoyable experience, but I was away from home in an unfamiliar neighborhood. Fortunately, my hometown is not even "blessed" with a WalMart, and there is always Internet shopping if one does not need something instantly.

I have mixed feeling about the Huffy story. I am no WalMart fan, but I have never cared for Huffy or Murray bikes, either.
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   Bicycle Parts posted by Chris on 6/11/2007 at 6:58:37 AM
Incredible.Suddenly, I'm very ill And the room is spinning. And so that's the last page in the history of Dayton Huffman or Huffy bicycles.
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           RE:WANTED:   Bicycle Parts posted by David on 6/12/2007 at 3:42:56 AM
My nightmare scenario: China gives the US an ultimatum; do X or we'll stop shipping clothes, toys, Xmas tree lights, food additives just in time for the Xmas retail season.
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MISC:   Sun Mass Start 100 posted by: John D on 6/5/2007 at 5:08:38 AM
I have a Sun Mass Start 100 which I rode in the 60s - has anyone got any information on this bike?
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WANTED:   Information on Nishiki semi-pro posted by: Bruce on 6/3/2007 at 6:38:36 PM
I have a lugged steel framed Nishiki semi-pro I am thinking of building it into a single speed. It is a sort of gold /green color with silver forks. I am guessing it was made in 75 to 85 but this is speculation only. Does anyone know about this bike? I can't find much info on it.

Thanks in advance
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           Information on Nishiki semi-pro posted by John E on 6/6/2007 at 8:47:52 PM
I worked at a Peugeot-Nishiki dealership from mid-1972 through mid-1974. I also bought an American Eagle Semi-Pro in March 1971, several months before Kawamura switched to the Nishiki marque in the U.S. They subsequently switched the model name to "Competition"; I think the "Nishiki Semi-Pro" was sold only during 1972 and 1973. Original equipment would have been Sugino Mighty Compe crankset with 54-47 (earlier) or 54-48 (later) chainrings, a 14-18-22-27-34 (earlier) or 14-18-22-28-34 (later) Maeda SunTour freewheel, SunTour downtube shift levers (earlier) or ratchet barcons (later), Araya aluminum rims on Sunshine high-flange hubs, 4X stainless steel spokes, DiaCompe pseudo-Weinmann Vainqueur 999 brakeset with 610 reach front and 750 length rear, Kuokoto Pro Ace road quill pedals, and a funky aluminum seatpost. The main triangle was double-butted Ishiwata CrMo, but the forks were not, and I am not sure about the composition of the distinctive Raleigh clone wrap-around stays.
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           RE: Information on Nishiki semi-pro posted by John E on 6/6/2007 at 8:49:19 PM
My serial number was KS78091, where the "K" presumably denotes "Kawamura," Nishiki's framebuilder. The frame lasted 20 years and 40k mi / 65k km, until the bottom bracket shell cracked at the seat tube lug.
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AGE / VALUE:   Help id Raleighs posted by: mitch on 6/2/2007 at 8:30:46 PM
looked both bikes good,the first one is the oldest i think?,yellow with cursive writing Raleigh on downtube,top tube has cursive writing that says ,Record ,Headbadge says made in England,crank is stamped Nervar,just by looking around on sites it looks to be a cheaper bike by the rest dollar wise,found a picture of a 70 model that looks similiar,bottom of crankhousing has only a "x" stamped on it ,,the brake caliper are stamped 15/66 ?,,,,the second Raleigh has a stamp on crankhousing of 4A-J1860 silver with blue and white block letters suntour derailer ,quick release front hub downtube is tapped for water bottle holder,,headbadge says made in America ,seat tube says 502 chrome moly.....thanks for any info,,,mitch
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Help id Raleighs posted by MITCH on 6/2/2007 at 9:27:06 PM
NOT MINE BUT LIKE IT http://cgi.ebay.com/Raleigh-Record-Lugged-Road-Bike-Frame-55-for-Fixed-Gear_W0QQitemZ330125978744QQihZ014QQcategoryZ98084QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Help id Raleighs posted by Roger on 6/3/2007 at 8:33:00 AM
Sometimes people put the item number here, because it is not always easy to get the link working.

Raleigh has come out with a number of novelty bicycles; including the Banana Bike, http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/page470.htm

Raleigh USA had Roadbikes, Marathon and another called Wyoming, from about the '80s.


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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Help id Raleighs posted by Roger on 6/3/2007 at 8:33:02 AM
Sometimes people put the item number here, because it is not always easy to get the link working.

Raleigh has come out with a number of novelty bicycles; including the Banana Bike, http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/page470.htm

Raleigh USA had Roadbikes, Marathon and another called Wyoming, from about the '80s.


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Help id Raleighs posted by David on 6/3/2007 at 3:37:49 PM
Record was generally the bottom-of-the-line of the 10-speeds. It usually (always?) had cottered cranks and therefore Raleigh 26tpi bottom bracket cups and headset, so your choices are very limited if you want to change things around - like if the "lucky" buyer of that wreck on Ebay thinks he'll make a nice fixie out of it.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Help id Raleighs posted by MITCH on 6/3/2007 at 4:30:55 PM
thanks,,, for the info,,,
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Help id Raleighs posted by Roger on 6/3/2007 at 7:08:50 PM
Record may have been entry level; but this does require some research;

Item number: 150129245765 is a nifty frame.

The ol' Raleigh Levi team colours!
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Help id Raleighs posted by John E on 6/6/2007 at 8:52:01 PM
Are you certain regarding the 26 TPI BB threading? Did they not at some point switch to the ISO standard 24 TPI, even on the lowly Record?
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Help id Raleighs posted by David on 6/7/2007 at 10:51:35 AM
I believe that all the Records with cottered cranks use 26tpi BB cups. Probably some later ones use all Japanese components with BSC threading.
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AGE / VALUE:   Cyclo cog on the 28 inch D.L.1. posted by: Chris on 6/2/2007 at 2:12:10 PM
Put pressure on the pedal and sproing! grinding to a halt. It was dark, night time test ride. I waited until morning and took a look at the bike. The circlip came off the Cyclo cog. I removed a spacer that was behind it. Rides fine now.

I removed the dustcap as well, but I am not sure I was supposed to.
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AGE / VALUE:   Herbie fully loaded movie (off topic) posted by: Chris on 6/2/2007 at 1:50:14 PM
Finally saw the movie: Herbie fully loaded. Disney's last Herbie movie. Very good, Enjoyed the movie especially the part where Herbie gets brought into the junkyard and finds Maggie who rescues him from the crusher and they fix him up and he ends up racing again.

Herbie is a prisoner on the back of the flatbed truck and the driver arrives at the junkyard run by Crazy Dave. He gets out and says: "Sorry Crazy Dave, I had trouble getting this critter onto the truck." He's all dirty and there is a tire track grease mark across his chest! I burts out laughing. Herbie ran him over!!

Why the emotional attachment and concern for this little V.W. car?
Maybe because it's a wonderful thing from childhood that is woven into the fabric of ..... well,
Hard to describe.
Herbie is heroic and good and brave and daring and takes chances and likes a bit of mischif.
All the books and movies and they brought it back and it's awesome and the medium of the d.v.d. is wonderful.
Anytime a thing is pulled out of the junkyard and given new life and enjoyed again it is a really neat thing. Be it a bicycle, motorcycle, vintage car, an old chair. People too.
When my time comes to be in the clutches of crazy Dave I hope I find new life and times with good people that love me
too.
See the movie. It's been out for a few years now.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Herbie fully loaded movie (off topic) posted by Roger on 6/2/2007 at 5:46:57 PM
Was Dean Jones in any of the Herbie movies?
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Herbie fully loaded movie (off topic) posted by Chris on 6/3/2007 at 1:14:20 PM
Not this last one but he did appear briefly in the one before that. He was in a few of the Herbie movies
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Herbie fully loaded movie (off topic) posted by Chris on 6/5/2007 at 5:36:41 PM
They should have had the part where the wrecker driver opens up herbie's lair and see all the old trophies and then show the wrecker driver's trials and tribulations and what trouble Herbie gives him as he's being pulled out of his home and forcefully loaded up against his will onto the flat bed and trucked to crazy Daves Junkyard. Kind of like the scene in the movie: Mouse Hunt where the mouse does a number on Ceasear the exterminator. Instead we just hear about it from the wrecker driver. That tire mark across the chest was an opening for more of a wild funny movie. Director Angela Robinson was handed a gem but was to inexperienced to really open it up and let it fly and see what it could do.
Still loved it.
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AGE / VALUE:   SCORE.!!!!!!!... posted by: mitch on 6/1/2007 at 7:18:11 PM
my work backs up against a older neighborhood with almost see thru fencing..been watching these bikes for the last year or so,,today i made my move and went to the front door and introduced myself and ask the ederly man about the bikes,,his reply you want them ?..i said sure before i even know what they were!!!!!!..AS i walked up spotted Murry,,,,than the yellow Raleigh,,,,then a silver Raliegh..!!!!!10 speeds...i'am thinking 70's or early 80's?..faded but complete.!!!!..with alot of weeds i might add.going to pick up sat..i'll do some reseach on the raleighs and let ya know.....
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   SCORE.!!!!!!!... posted by MITCH on 6/1/2007 at 7:38:58 PM
ALL this a day before i pick up my 77 Schwinn Varsity !!!!!
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   SCORE.!!!!!!!... posted by Gralyn on 6/3/2007 at 5:38:15 PM
I know what you mean - the thrill of the score! It has been a long time since I landed anything. My most recent being a Ross Grand Tour - it was only $10 (something also rare - that kind of price) But I mainly got it for the forks - as my good Ross Grand Tour had bent forks. But, it had been a long time before that, since I had seen anything.

Around here - the supply has pretty-much been almost totally dried up for over 2 years now. I don't look much anymore. A fellow down the street has a bunch of bikes out in his yard for sale. I stopped.....but nothing but Murrays and Huffys.....later - I stopped again - because I saw more 10-speed looking bikes - but again - just Murray's and Huffys, etc.
So, I've just been doing the greatest thing with the one's I have - riding! I've been riding my 1983 Schwinn Super Sport a lot.
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   SCORE.!!!!!!!... posted by mitch on 6/4/2007 at 8:21:06 AM
i'am sorta of disappionted it was a murry (tossed it alredy)...two Raleighs,,the 70 Record will be made into a Rat Track Racer,,,,i think the best deal was a girls RALLEY?made in Korea,, 3-SPEED with a Sturmey-Archer hub and shifter
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           RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: SCORE.!!!!!!!... posted by John E on 6/6/2007 at 8:55:05 PM
I admittedly have not been looking very hard because I do not need or want any more bikes, but I have not seen ANY decent used bikes at local yard sales for the past couple of years. (It's been over a decade since I picked up the 1959 Capo Modell Campagnolo for $20.)
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   SCORE.!!!!!!!... posted by Ben on 6/8/2007 at 9:45:45 PM
I've got a mid 80s Ross Gran Tour. 12 speed, 27" frame with 26" wheels. It's an ulta lite with all Shimano everything. I used to ride it a ton (teens and 20s) but it's been hanging in the garage for 15+ years. I'm having a yard dale tomorrow...is it worth more than $20? I loved this bike,I don't want to get rid of it but.....I don't see myself riding it anytime soon. Any help would be appreciated. - Ben
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   SCORE.!!!!!!!... posted by billy on 6/22/2007 at 6:22:06 PM
wow u guys are fuckin pathetic...... complainin u asshole (mainly gralyn) who gives a shit go to the swap center at your local dunp idiots.....i find my greatest finds at the swap center(mainly schwinns but also 80's dynos and gt) so qhit your fuckin bitchin you stupid cunts

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AGE / VALUE:   Just acquired a Raleigh Professional posted by: ronp6 on 6/1/2007 at 5:49:28 AM
They are apparently still out there! A silver and blue mink professional with relatively intact paint and transfers at an affordable price. Even the Carlton pump and kickstand came with the bike. I noticed freewheel had been replaced with a larger gearset and the derailleur had been replaced with a long cage Shimano but then he handed me the box of parts related to the bike and there was the brand new Campy derailleur, the freewheel and an extra new boxed set of Campy Record hubs.

I went to look in the basement this morning to make sure it wasn't a dream. Yesterday was a good day. Now for the dissassembly and servicing; a labor of love.

Any suggestions other than sell or give it to you are welcomed. I'll try for pictures of the bike and refurbishment process if I can figure out how to load them.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: Just acquired a Raleigh Professional posted by John E on 6/1/2007 at 3:13:05 PM
Great find! The extra set of hubs is a great opportunity to build a second set of wheels, so that you can interchange tubulars and clinchers. I would definitely replace the brake pads with KoolStops. My other trick with vintage 10-speeds is to replace the original freewheel with an ultra 6-speed, to give me the ratios I require.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Just acquired a Raleigh Professional posted by ronp6 on 6/4/2007 at 12:12:53 PM
I was in Harris Cyclery looking at rims for a new set of Clinchers. I would like to find a Campy long cage rear derailleur that has a vintage look to replace the relatively cheap Shimano on the bike if someone has one. If I can't I have older Simplex or Suntour rears and good Shimanos are available.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Just acquired a Raleigh Professional posted by ronp6 on 6/4/2007 at 7:36:27 PM
Correction to my calling the Shimano a cheap derailleur, it is a long cage Dura Ace Crame.
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MISC:   Mirrors posted by: David on 6/1/2007 at 5:03:22 AM
I was trying to figure out how to mount a mirror on my Schwinn Sports Tourer with barcons and suicide levers. I finally realized that a bar-mounted mirror I had with a flexible plastic stem (that was always too floppy to be useful) would work simply by removing the flexible stem altogether and just "plugging" the mirror stem into the socket on the handlebar mount and snapping the mount around the bar tape. Just friction, no screws. It works great and is easily adjustable.
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           RE:MISC:   Mirrors posted by Roger on 6/1/2007 at 3:50:11 PM
I had and believe I still have a mirror with the flexible "wiry" stem, the mirror itself is a bit teardrop/oval shaped. the base broke, but I don't think, I ever threw that away (as I try to keep about everything I get). I might try that.
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AGE / VALUE:   austrian made frame esge stamped on it posted by: james on 5/31/2007 at 8:01:58 AM
i posted yesterday want to update ,the sears branded bike has esge stamped on frame in 2 places esge kick stand sachs 3 speed topedo hub weinmann brakes vintage basta 1972 rim combo lock,and a oxford tire pump from england trying to find anything out in value great shape 2 on scale maybe 1 .or just someone who owns one .i have brochres and part list paperwork called european lightweight bicycle .take care.i will try to ad pic cant figure it out yet.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   austrian made frame esge stamped on it posted by David on 6/1/2007 at 5:01:58 AM
ESGE is the accessory maker (kickstand, e.g.). Bike is probably made by Puch (Austrian). It should be a good non-collectible reliable bike. Use it.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   austrian made frame esge stamped on it posted by james on 6/1/2007 at 5:52:47 AM
thanks for replies ,but frame has esge stamped on it 2 times in areas that are the same green as frame .on frame.i will take pic after work and post.any help on getting pic on SITE ?
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   austrian made frame esge stamped on it posted by ken on 6/1/2007 at 10:59:27 AM
The picture database instructions are self-explanatory, including the fact that uploads are suspended for now. Too bad; that database is a great asset.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   austrian made frame esge stamped on it posted by David on 6/1/2007 at 2:53:15 PM
I've seen the plates wherethe kickstand or rear rack would attach marked "ESGE" or "Pletscher." I think they'd supply to the framemaker the parts to attach the components properly. Like, albeit at a more quotidian level, the Campy dropout built for the Campy derailleur.
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AGE / VALUE:   help identifying posted by: K on 5/30/2007 at 9:50:59 PM
Please I have aquired a bike that has been painted with about a dz layers of paint and not sure if the tires ,rims seat ect are original?? but it does have twin bars on it a womens bike about 23 in from sprocket to seat who made twin bars bikes?I have photos of it but not sure how to post on this site yet
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: help identifying posted by John on 5/31/2007 at 8:42:40 PM
Is this a mixte/unisex style frame, in which the usual horizontal top tube is replaced by a pair of thin tubes running from the top of the head tube to the rear dropouts? Peugeot and Motobecane made lots of these, as did several other manufacturers, to a lesser extent. Check the outer diameter of the seat tube: 28.0mm instead of the more common 28.6 would indicate French origin, as would 35x1 bottom bracket cups, instead of the more common 1.375x24 (English/ISO) or 36x24 (Italian).
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MISC:   Hosteler - from both Gitane and West Germany posted by: Roger on 5/30/2007 at 6:47:15 PM
well, researching on Hosteler in the Old Roads archives, I saw someone say, the nice thing about this hobby of vintage bikes sometimes, is what you find, can be fullfilling vs. just setting down the dough for some nice velos from online; and I found a Hosteler, it was okay, I think, it was relatively light too, road type bike, goldish frame; but this was definitely one of the West German models, not a Gitane model; 2 bikes had the same name apparently.

If I had the luxury of open space, I might have gotten it; but for what? For the heck of it??? Still well made but maybe not quite for me. As it is, I cleaned house a bit this spring to have room, so maybe something still awaits; but I think in this case, it is better to be happy with what I already have and maybe use my funds to improve what I have.

Heck, made my year; let alone day, bikewise, to find this Butcher Bike; really, that is how to describe the Royal Scot I've latched onto.

p.s. If anyone is really interested in the W. German Hosteler, you can IM me and I can forward mail to the guy selling it and where to see pictures of it if you care.

It was kind of cool that on the saddle post tube; was a decal for the Olympics; the rings at least, so I am thinking somehow this is probably contemporaneous to the Munich Olympics to within a few years.



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           RE:MISC:   Hosteler - from both Gitane and West Germany posted by John Goodlove on 4/13/2008 at 6:21:33 AM
Hello
I own a Hosteler bicycle & I would like find more info on it. Please respond.
Thank You
John Goodlove
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           RE:MISC:   Hosteler - from both Gitane and West Germany posted by Trisha on 9/6/2011 at 12:36:34 PM
I also have a hosteler made in france. I am unable to find much info on this bike, it has: quick release hubs, WeinMann 750/ vainqueur 999 ft/rr brakes and controls, huret shifters and allvit railers.
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           RE:MISC:   Hosteler - from both Gitane and West Germany posted by David on 9/13/2011 at 10:23:19 AM
I think "Hosteler" is just a model name like "Sports." When I was a kid in Germany in the 50s, my parents were very into "hosteling" on their bikes; touring from one youth hostel to another.
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AGE / VALUE:   sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by: james on 5/30/2007 at 6:24:32 AM
hi i am new at vintage bikes i found a beautiful austrian european lightweight bicycle.made for sears in 1972 .i have not found much info on bike .frame is esge ,weinmann brakes ,german hub,and a cool basta lock.any info at all such as possible values or collectability or ?.it has 3 speed in hub.model 503.473870 mens bike.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by John E on 5/30/2007 at 7:03:33 AM
I have never seen an ESGE frame, but I have seen many ESGE kickstands.

Yes, at one time Sears sold house-branded Steyr-Daimler-Puch bicycles, before switching over to the dark side and peddling American-made boat anchor Huffys and Murrays.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by JAMES on 5/30/2007 at 7:15:29 AM
yes it has esge stamped on the frame then lizenz phletcher next to esge the kickstand is also esge no steyr daimler puch on it it is called, european lightweight bicycle thanks for the replies
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by Chris on 5/30/2007 at 3:47:06 PM
I have a Esgee woodcarving. Shows a guy atop a highwheel bicycle. engraved: Esgee

When Farber cycle in Detroit moved to the great bike shop distributor place in the sky ( retired or went bankrupt not sure) I leaned over Bill's desk and asked: "How much for this?"
I was buying up inventory as they were shutting their doors. I paid $50.00 for it. Too rare and unique to miss. Still have it.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by John E on 5/31/2007 at 8:45:18 PM
"Lizenz" = "license" (or "franchise" or "permit")
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by John E on 5/31/2007 at 8:47:15 PM
Are you sure it doesn't say, "Pletscher," maker of kickstands, racks, and other cycling accessories?
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by JAMES on 6/1/2007 at 7:12:08 AM
yes you are correct pletscher ,and esge next to it on frame .
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by David on 6/1/2007 at 2:56:47 PM
I think Pletscher and ESGE were/are related somehow. Pletscher is Swiss and I think ESGE is German but they make basically the same products. Maybe there's a license.
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by Chris on 6/1/2007 at 2:57:20 PM
Had a not been nervy and disrespectful by leaning over the desk and plucking it off of the wall...... The price might have been lower.

I did a lot of cherry picking and plucking that day.. Farber got plucked.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by John E on 6/1/2007 at 3:16:36 PM
"I think Pletscher and ESGE were/are related somehow. Pletscher is Swiss and I think ESGE is German but they make basically the same products. Maybe there's a license."

Hence "Patent Pletscher" and "ESGE -- Lizenze Pletscher."
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by Joe White on 6/1/2007 at 9:17:49 PM
I just found this bike in my grand mothers shed. It is a 1972 sears tote cycle 3 speed


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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by Chris on 6/2/2007 at 1:49:08 PM
Racks say: Esgee Pletcher

good quality. They made the alloy kickstand that is unique as it allows the rod brake linkage for the rear rod brake on the 28 inch rod brake Raleigh Tourist bobbie bike.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by s on 6/15/2007 at 1:11:13 AM
I have ,also, a bike which has engaved on a frame ESGE and next to it Made in Germany,rear hub Shimano 5353 FB,front hub WECO,Rear brake is a hidraulic disc brake shimano which has only engrave on it :OIL DISC, and it is twice bigger than today ,front brake WEINMAN VAINQUEUR 750
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:? sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by James on 8/4/2008 at 8:32:02 PM
I got an Iverson bile (made in Austria) using the ESGE frames, with the same "ESGE -- Lizenze Pletscher" stamped on. Frame SN 87033, colour red. 3-speed Sturmey Archer Hub dated 72-4.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by Doohickie on 5/1/2009 at 3:24:37 PM
I have a similar bicycle. Sears brand, on the rear brake bridge it says ESGE Lizenz Pletscher. There are two numbers on the bottom bracket- 503473590 and 3666472. The latter number looks like it was stamped in after painting, possibly a phone number?

This bike has a 5-speed Shimano Lark derailleur, with a two-speed gearbox built into it. The two-speed changes automatically with speed, kind of like an automatic overdrive. You rotate the spoke protector to change the speed at which it changes. Really cool.

To see a slide show of the bike, go here:

http://s42.photobucket.com/albums/e341/Doohickie/09Sears/?albumview=slideshow


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by Lvjimmyd on 11/22/2009 at 8:39:32 PM
I have virtually the same Sears bicycle as Doohickie which I purchased new in 1971. It was manufactured in 1970. The handle bars are not original and the tires were replaced with Sears tubless tires (solid rubber) in the early/mid 70's. The tires are still in good shape. Perhaps I'll do some restoration for its 40th birthday.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by Marc on 12/7/2009 at 6:56:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWhwwQoquxw
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by SW on 6/13/2010 at 5:42:59 PM
I have a ESGE LIZENZ PLETSCHER. It is Sears Roebuck & Co., lightweight, 4 rear gears, blue paint. For the life of me I cannot find any serial numbers on it. If they were somewhere, they are gone now. Oh well. Otherwise, it's in beautiful condition, all original parts. I'm going to be riding it all over town.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by David on 6/14/2010 at 7:03:38 AM
The seatstay bridge that supports the Pletscher/ESGE rack and the chainstay bridge that supports a Pletscher/ESGE kickstand are usually the same manufacturer and are stamped accordingly. The Sears bikes are Steyr-Daimler-Puch, who supplied basic-to-pretty-good bikes to Sears for years, some branded J.C. Higgins, some Ted Williams, some Free SPirit and probably others. ESGE (Germany) and Pletscher (Switzerland) seemed to supply nearly identical products (probably licensed one way or the other); mostly pressure-cast aluminum items. There are no ESGE or Pletscher bike frames.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by Law on 6/16/2010 at 6:34:14 PM
All,

I have one of those great Sears bikes as well. It was made sometime before 75. I ride it everyday to work and back plus my many errands. It came to me complete but needing a cleaning, classic black color sporting a Shimano hub trigger cable set. Not the Austrian model that everybody covets but I love the ride and it's 3 gears take me everywhere.

Sears,who'd a thought ! Law
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by Karl Swensen on 7/22/2010 at 10:52:09 PM
In 1958, my grandparents bought me a JC Higgins at the local Sears store. I stopped riding it when I got my license to drive in 1960. I have kept it all these years. It's been in a shed, and out of the weather.

A picture of a girl's bike exactly like my boy's bike is on this site.

http://genetics.mgh.harvard.edu/'hanczyc/jchiggins3sp.html

My bike has skinny tires, and hand brakes. It still has the original fancy generator the provides the power for the lights. It's a three-speed. It has a decal that indicates it was made in Austria.

Based on the comments above, it appears to be a product of Steyr-Daimler-Puch.

I would love to see it go to someone who wants to restore it.

How can I find a buyer?

Thanks,

Karl


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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by David on 7/24/2010 at 4:44:46 AM
If you're willing to pack and ship a bike (or pay someone to do it) sell on Ebay. If you want someone to pick it up, sell on Craig's List. Don't be too optimistic about how much the bike is "worth;" this changes like the weather. It all depends on who sees your ad. If you have any interest in using a bike for transportation, the Sears bike you have will serve very well. They are not of much interest to collectors.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by randy mckendry on 10/3/2010 at 11:17:57 AM
where is the bike that is for sale?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   sears esge bicycle ? anything posted by marco lee on 8/7/2011 at 6:48:02 AM
My bike was made in germany with the words pats. pend esge lizenz pletscher on the back off the bike it also has to numbers on the bottom frame which are 503.47.386 an 3204093. I am tryin to find out how old it is.
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