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AGE / VALUE:   53 Claud Butler New Allrounder headset? posted by: Bob Giess on 5/29/2007 at 1:44:41 PM
I have just discovered that I have only about 26mm of thread ( measured without any crown races/bearings etc ) availalabe to fit a headset and it seems that none currently made are anywhere near that short. Does anybody out there knw what was originally fitted to the Allrounder or can anyone recommend any really short stack headset
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: 53 Claud Butler New Allrounder headset? posted by Warren on 5/29/2007 at 5:26:03 PM
Shimano 105 and STX made a short stack as well as many of the track headsets...campy pista for instance. You may need a Sutherlands manual or a good bike shop who has one. I suspect your headset would be all steel like a TDC?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   53 Claud Butler New Allrounder headset? posted by bob giess on 5/30/2007 at 12:35:27 PM
Thanks for the reply Warren. So Far the shortest stack I can find is 30.2mm and I'm told theres scope for a little skimming and dumping a lock washer if I tighten it every few weeks!
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AGE / VALUE:   Fiorelli bicycles Poster madness continues posted by: Chris on 5/29/2007 at 7:58:37 AM
Back in 1986 I went thru a shop in Canada and I made the mistake of bringing in a pal to help me clean it out. He got this ancient 1959 fiorelli poster with Coppi, Schutte and others. It's in Bianchi Blue. Original from 1959.

He wound not let it go. It took me until 1994 to get it from him. That was the day I rescued from the scrap man Campagnolo parts, G.B. parts, Huret and other vintage parts worth big money. Also rescued paper literature and other posters from the wood stove that sat there ominously in the garage complex.

I negiotated and saved this stuff and was sucessful but he drove me mad and I made it home on the highway dispite a nervous breakdown. I then succeeded to buy him out after 25 years of trying.

Now I have been trying unsucessfully to get proper, full color, two sided color copies made of this poster.
I want to sell these copies. Yes. Velo retro does. I want to be like them.

The poster is detiorating and I need to frame it and leave it alone. To save the poster but to keep from going mad. This was the third attempt and my eyes started to twitch. I ran smack into an assistant manager of a copy shop and after wrangling about copyright infringment issues. Legal paperwork shoved under my nose. We did a google search on Fiorelli and found nothing, Now the relents and asked 25.00 per scan and 25.00 per copy. I put it into the cardboard envelope and left the store.

I was thinking of offering anothyer store full of employees Ouzo or other strong drink and getting them all drunk in order to get these copies made. Picture me getting these drunk employees to wake up and operate their equipment!

So another bike project sits undone. I don't have the patience to go store hopping looking to find somebody who will bend their rules to copy it and with no mention of Fiorelli on the net I don't know what the copyright issues are. If any.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fiorelli bicycles Poster madness continues posted by Chris on 5/29/2007 at 8:18:06 AM
Another project was copied and sits waiting to be scanned and built into the web site I keep dreaming about. T- shirt ideas sit undone as well. It's maddening!
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fiorelli bicycles Poster madness continues posted by Chris on 5/29/2007 at 8:23:21 AM
I might drive to Pensylvania and ring my Italian bike buddy's door and say: "take it!" and break out in crazy laughter. Except he sells everything I give him. Picture white coated orderlies drooling over the collection. Poor bugger went mad collecting vintage cycle posters!
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Fiorelli bicycles Poster madness continues posted by Chris on 5/30/2007 at 3:49:55 PM
Done! Copied! Not a problem. 8.00 for everything! two sided color on primo paper.
Did not have to get anybody intoxicated either!
Managers on lunch break. A marvelous thing.

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MISC:   Swiss Condor bicycle posted by: John Blanchard on 5/28/2007 at 11:25:44 PM
Just bought an old road bike. it's a Condor, Swiss made from the '60's. Does anyone have any info. on this brand. Any Swiss Condor owners out there?
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           RE:MISC: Swiss Condor bicycle posted by willieL. on 5/29/2007 at 7:43:22 PM
This info at classicrendezvous.com on a bike called Condor, but this is an English bike. Don't know if its the same as yours or not.
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           RE:MISC: Swiss Condor bicycle posted by James on 6/3/2007 at 9:42:32 AM
Condor is the swiss company that built the swiss army bikes as well as civilian bikes and motorcycles.
http://www.benvanhelden.nl/Condorclub/Fiets/fietsen.html
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AGE / VALUE:   Sekine Medialle posted by: Harry on 5/28/2007 at 8:23:14 PM
SEKINE, Just bought a Sekine Medialle 5sp. I know these were Canadian made (Manitoba) from 1973 through the early eighties. They were known for their excellent quality. The plant was set up in Canada to circumnavigate a tarriff placed on imported bikes at the time. I'd like to ID the actual year and model. The bike is 100% complete and original, 'cept the tires and seat. The brake pads and cables even are original Shimano (white jecket). It has Shimano Lark SPO derailer. Alloy wide flange hubs, steel rims. Chrome tipped fork. Shimano Tourney Alloy Center Pull brakes. ANy ideas?, Why no reference to Sekine on the site?
Thanks in advance



It has,
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AGE / VALUE:   liberia brand, grenoble france posted by: tim on 5/28/2007 at 6:57:28 PM
just trying to find out some info on a bicycle my wife has. bought by her brother in the early 70's-- it is a liberia racing style bicycle
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           RE:AGE / VALUE: liberia brand, grenoble france posted by Mikael on 6/6/2007 at 1:10:31 PM
I found a bicycle in the garbage ... the brand is "Payan" but the frame says "Liberia" 102 so i presume Payan in Marseille had the frame built by Liberia back in the 70s. I've put the bike back together and I'm researching links to find out when it was made. The components are mostly "Simplex" for the derailleur and Mafac for the brakes. I can't date it exactly but I would say mid to late 70's. I
t still rides great and I think I will use it froml time to time for rides in town. I hope this helps and plesae send me any info you think I might need to know.

:-) MK

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           RE:AGE / VALUE: liberia brand, grenoble france posted by Mikael on 6/7/2007 at 12:43:43 AM
I found a bicycle in the garbage ... the brand is "Payan" but the frame says "Liberia" 102 so i presume Payan in Marseille had the frame built by Liberia back in the 70s. I've put the bike back together and I'm researching links to find out when it was made. The components are mostly "Simplex" for the derailleur and Mafac for the brakes. I can't date it exactly but I would say mid to late 70's. I
t still rides great and I think I will use it froml time to time for rides in town. I hope this helps and plesae send me any info you think I might need to know.

:-) MK

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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: liberia brand, grenoble france posted by af on 7/4/2007 at 5:31:17 PM
I too have a liberia 10 speed I bought new in 72. It say made in Grenobe France and was bright orange with lots of chrome. Back then it set me back $125.00. Am in the process of restoring it so would love some feed back!
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   liberia brand, grenoble france posted by jim on 11/3/2007 at 3:51:06 PM
I recently picked up a frame that sounds much like the bike described by af on 7/4/07 and am in the process of converting it to a single speed city bike. If anyone cares to share some photos I would be interested to see a complete 70's vintage bike.
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AGE / VALUE:   Velo Sport Made in Canada posted by: Ed on 5/28/2007 at 3:52:55 PM
Hi Everyone

Wondering if anyone knows about Velo Sport Inc. bikes from Canada.

The only information i have is that apparently they have a lifetime warranty on the frames but Velo Sport Inc. was purchased by Procycle www.procycle.com in 1974 and stopped marketing/selling Velo Sport and Peugeot bikes in 2001.

Anyway I can't seem to get much more information than this so if anyone has any more that would really be helpful.

I love this bike but it really is too big for me...I would like to sell/trade it for a 20 inch frame but I need to know what it is worth first.

Thanks everyone.

Model: Aero
Size: 25 inch (63cm)
All Shimano components
Weinmann quick release 27 x 1/4" aluminum rims
Sugino crank
Sakae aluminum handlebars



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           RE:AGE / VALUE: Velo Sport Made in Canada posted by Warren on 5/29/2007 at 3:15:30 AM
Any frame stickers? Details on the components?

They made some nice high end models but most were just good mid-range solid sport tourers. The 27 " wheels suggst this is one of those. Not likely worth a great deal so trade it for your size if you can. Craigslist?
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Velo Sport Made in Canada posted by Chris on 5/29/2007 at 8:20:08 AM
both sekanne and velo sport stuff in the collection. Which box it's in is another story.
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AGE / VALUE:   Information wanted posted by: Karen Phillips on 5/28/2007 at 1:00:06 PM
I have an early 1960's era man's and woman's bicycles. They both have "Royal Traveler" in white lettering on the bike. I am trying to find information on the manufacturer, approximate value, etc. Both bikes are in excellent, almost-new condition. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Information wanted posted by Roger on 5/28/2007 at 7:09:29 PM
I have a Royal Scot; these 3 speeds were very popular back then; and perhaps Royal Traveller is just trying to create that English bike image.

Is it a 3 speed? Does it have handlebars that rise? Or that are drop and a shape kind of like the horns of a ram?

What color is it?

Is it a lugged frame? (Lugs join the tube, as in this very ornate example; http://frugal-bicycling.com/files/bikes_mainrivendell.jpg )

Just check to see if there is some sort of serial number on the bottom.

Are there other decals, like maybe one that says something like "genuine English lightweight steel"?


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AGE / VALUE:   AMF Roadmater Jr. 16" posted by: Paul on 5/27/2007 at 9:16:25 PM
I Have A Vintage Blue Amf Roadmaster Jr 16"
I Have No Idea What Its Worth And I Cannot
Find Any Info On It Online At All.
I Bought It At A Thrift Store About 5 Years Ago
For 20$, And I Would Really Appreciate It If
Someone Could Give Me Some Info On This Bike
Including Value, Year It Was Made, Or History
Of The Bike. Please Let Me Know As Soon As Possible
Thanks :)


Not The Actual Picture. Mine Is Blue With White Stripes
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AGE / VALUE:   Pierce Arrow posted by: Phil & Jen Rewa on 5/27/2007 at 1:49:04 PM
We recently became owners of a Pierce Arrow bicycle and were looking for Age and Value of the Bike. It is a Ladies bike with Firestone Speed cushion tires with white walls 24 x 1.75. The bike is Blue in color and has crome fenders front and back with Pierce arrow plates under handle bars and under front part of seat. It is also labeled Pierce arrow on the chain guard.
I can e-mail pic's of you wish.
Thanks for your help.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Pierce Arrow posted by john on 5/29/2007 at 1:31:38 PM
I have a Pierce track racing bike circa 1939. Pierce Arrow (the car company) stopped making bikes in 1918 and sold the bike making business to Emblem Company of Angola New York at that time. I guess to get away from copyright infringement, Emblem labeled my bike Pierce followed by an arrow symbol(not the word arrow). If your bike was made by the car company and is original, it most likely would have wood rims, single tube tires, and have skip link chain or be gear driven. If you google Pierce Arrow bikes you can find additional info including images of the car company headbage to see if it looks like yours. I don't know if other companies just used that well known name in later years. I believe bikes actually make by the car company are quite rare. Hope this helps. john
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AGE / VALUE:   Hercules Tourist posted by: DJ Stamp on 5/27/2007 at 9:29:36 AM
I have a Hercules Tourist with serial number PO 3414 stamped on the rear dropout. There is no date one the Hercules 3 speed rear end. It has a brass Hercules head badge. Any idea of the vintage of this bicyle?? Sorry about the other post I accidentally posted in the for sale section - it's my first time. DJ
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules Tourist posted by Bryant on 5/29/2007 at 5:44:25 PM
You might want to try posting on the English Roadsters forum. Although if your bike has a Hercules 3 speed hub, that would put it before 1960. That is when Raleigh bought them out and Sturmey Archer Rear hubs were used from then on.
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AGE / VALUE:   Mystery Miyata bike Part 1 posted by: Chris on 5/26/2007 at 7:49:51 AM
Garage sale find. $10.00. I looked at it and said yes.
Three chain rings in front, loved that really small one. Got to dreaming about this drive train in my soon to be modernized (mucked with) 50's Reg Harris Lenton Sports
I'm wondering if I can pull out the crank and put it into one of my Raleigh's. Three gears in front one rather small. But I'm noticing the frame is constructed to allow this. Not so on the Raleigh's that were meant for 3 speed hubs.
Still....
Got to find my crank puller too. Oh, this is a nutty idea and it might fit and be heaven and likely will not fit and this is trial and error. Had a brown Miyata 210 in my teens and it was a marvelous bike.
This bike is way nicer!
I'm going to part it out. I looked at it and looked again..... But wait...... This is a complete and very nice bike! cantileaver brakes, a front fork with two sets of eyelets for front racks and fenders! Handlebar end fitting shifters. Precise accurate marvelous gears, it's a 21 speed or higher. 700 c wheels.
Wait! This is too nice to part out in some crazy project that likely will not work. What do I have here? I can't remember the model number but I may have a diamond. Looked at Miyata bikes on e- bay today and they go quite high. Miyata is an old company and they made a lot of things some high end some lower end. I'm encouraged by the canti brakes. The bike is far too nice to have it's cranks removed for another bike.
Miyata is a well made decent bike. Japan made. So what's my problem? I don't know their history. A very decent bike a real moder treat but I'm not bitten by the Miyata bug. How many folks get bit and have a stable full of varoius Miyatas? If you are thinking I should have left it there, you are 1/2 right! Somebody more knowledable and a Miyata fan who would ride it as is and appreciate it might have come up the drive.
Japanese bikes as well made as they are don't excite me. No magical patina or romance as with the British or French stuff from decades past.
No room to take it to the jumble sale and today it's raining and I can't do that without finding out it's general value. So part 2 of this post will reveal what it model it is. From there, with dilligent and patient research I'll know just what it is I have. Gee, I might even find a buyer and make a buck or two off of it. I don't go for the possibility of making money. I enjoy the first few moments when I see it from afar and don't know what it is until I get out of the car and up the driveway. Then I get to examine it and then the part I hate. Asking what they want, weighing the price, haggling, having to turn it down many times. The thrill of discovery. I love the cobweb covered, dusty, slightly- rusty treasures. I dislike almost all the new stuff. New bikes are looked at for their parts that will by some slight chance fit my old stuff and give me a better ride. Many people don't appreciate the older collectable stuff and I don't generally appreciate the new stuff. Stay tuned for part 2 where I tell what it is. I'll take measurements and describe it properly.

I'll ask to trade it for an old 3 speed British bike of lesser value.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mystery Miyata bike Part 1 posted by Roger on 5/26/2007 at 8:38:30 AM
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/japan_bike/

The old Yahoogroup: hoping nothing objectionable has found it's way there.
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mystery Miyata bike Part 1 posted by JONathan on 5/27/2007 at 3:01:23 PM
Sounds to me a lot like my Miyata "six-ten". It is a superb touring (steel-frame) bike. Picked it up for a cool $60, which I felt was a bit steep...until I rode it. WOW, it is well worth it. Real nice riding. I recommend giving it a spin, before deciding to parts it. There was a model above the "six-ten", which differs mainly in componentry. Nice find.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mystery Miyata bike Part 1 posted by David on 5/27/2007 at 6:45:47 PM
I think you're gonna find that the Miyata BB is BSC (24 tpi) and the Raleigh is Raleigh-threaded (26 tpi) and they ain't gonna interchange!
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mystery Miyata bike Part 1 posted by Chris on 5/28/2007 at 6:35:22 PM
OK. Part 2 What is the general value??
Please advise me.
It's a Miyata 618 GT Splie tripple butted. 18 speed dural front fork eyeletts, dual water bottle braze on screws. Sansin sealed system mans bike blue with pink accents. 700 x 32 C wheels. SR SP -155 ALLOY SAKAE ENHANCED OVALTECH XCM
Suntrour accushift rear derailer XCM 3040 xcm suntour Dia Compe brakes ( quick release wheels, cantileaver brakes)
Miyata radial 700 x 32 C Spenco gel Avocet seat. Greenfield kickstand.
San Sin sealed system
canti brakes are directional type.
I rode it. It totally flys. Gearing is utter perfection.
I am open to offers. Who has an old British 3 speed bike to trade for this?
Thanks.
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           RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mystery Miyata bike Part 1 posted by David on 5/29/2007 at 5:12:13 AM
Chris - you know as well as anyone that the only way to determine value is to sell it! Are you asking for offers?
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           RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Miyata 618 GT posted by Chris on 5/29/2007 at 7:57:53 AM
Yes, I guess I am asking for offers. Trying to get a general idea of what these go for and trying to feel out what it is that I found.
Offers will be somewhat under what these go for.
The bike totally flew and the gears are the best I have ever ridden.

It is original, as found but if I do keep it I will change the handlebars to something where I don't have to lean over. Sit up and beg handlebars are my favorite.

Chris- Back in favor with the gods of Garage sales, estate sales and kerb finding it seems.
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           RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Miyata 618 GT posted by Chris on 5/30/2007 at 3:52:25 PM
originally a $400.00 bike. Found a stem that fits so I'm not leaning over. Will keeep original bars. Still want to sell it but may end up making this a daily rider or daily driver, as we say.
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MISC:   Unique Front Derailleur posted by: Roger on 5/25/2007 at 5:17:59 PM
http://forums.bicycling.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/632104717/m/1401051192

I've certainly never seen anything like this.
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           RE:MISC: Unique Front Derailleur posted by John E on 5/29/2007 at 8:25:50 AM
That is a Simplex Competition "suicide" shifter, which was very popular through the 1940s and 1950s. The companion Tour de France rear derailleur is a low-normal (reverse-action) bandspring unit with upside-down cage action (tension wheel next to cogset). Schwinn used this combination in the inaugural year (1960) derailleur-equipped Varsity and Continental, because the Huret brothers wanted $1.27 more for the vastly superior-in-every-way Allvit rear and companion cable-driven front derailleur combination.

I tried out a high school friend's suicide-shifter-equipped Schwinn Continental and found I greatly preferred my more modern and familiar cable-driven front shifter. Ironically, an original suicide front shifter generally significantly increases the value and collectibility of a 1950s road bike.
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MISC:   How much Lighter??? posted by: Roger on 5/24/2007 at 10:09:18 PM
I wonder how much less a current rear wheel with say a six speed gear sprocket is compared to a vintage one of say, a six speed rear hub of 1980? That much of a difference?? Just for your ordinary road bicycle?
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           RE:MISC:   How much Lighter??? posted by David on 5/25/2007 at 5:08:00 AM
You could easily calculate it. My guess is that the main diff will be between the new cassette hub and the old freewheel hub. The new wheel probably has fewer spokes, too. Many websites give the weights of the new components. Add 'em up.
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           How much Lighter??? posted by John E on 5/29/2007 at 8:16:31 AM
Reduced spoke count wheels actually require heavier rims than traditional 32- or 36-spokers. I doubt today's wheelsets weigh significantly less than the best of the 1980s; the biggest change has been in frameset weight. Unless you are racing professionally, a kg or two of extra frame weight is inconsequential.
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           RE:MISC:   How much Lighter??? posted by Roger on 5/29/2007 at 7:33:07 PM
Thank You to both of you;

I was in a bike store today and held some of the new clusters for a few moments; and had a few preliminary thoughts, lighter, but maybe not that much more than some from yesteryear.

My question was earnest, dang loaned out a bike and never got it back. But that is some months ago, so I've kind of gotten over it; but it was a Maillard set up; that I held dear, I will say that. The other names escape me too, the freewheel but it was worthy. So these things happen and we learn lessons.
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MISC:   They're Back posted by: Roger on 5/24/2007 at 9:53:39 PM
They're back, the cheapie overseas (well, okay, all of them are) road bikes, with the shifters up where the handlebar stem goes in... saw one at the big box; has to let you know for sure, "aluminum lightweight frame" and I picked it up and it wasn't! I just recently made my 531 double butted tube Raleigh a single speed; and man, I tell you without derailleurs and without the rear cogs, that thing is very light. First time, I could pick up a bike, hoist it on my shoulder like you see guys do; maybe not the first time, but I can do it with ease. Hills present a challenge; I got the gear the bike said was common for the rear hub; which is like the second cog without going through all of that numbers talk.
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           RE:MISC: They're Back posted by John E on 5/29/2007 at 8:47:30 AM
Other than a brief infatuation during my undergrad years, when stem shifters were still a novelty, I have never really cared for them.
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WANTED:   27x1 1/4" tires for my 1981 Bruce Gordon 10-speed. posted by: Bob on 5/24/2007 at 5:47:10 PM
Time for some new tires! They are currently Specialized Touring II K4 27x1 1/4", put on in 1989. These have been very good for me, and I'm looking for a new equivalent. Any recommendations? Thanks!
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           RE:WANTED: 27x1 1/4 posted by Bob on 5/24/2007 at 6:24:03 PM
Those are 27x1 1/8". I should have added that mine are just old, with some openings in the tread but not worn through the rubber anywhere. I'm just looking for early '80s looking replacements before they're needed.
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           RE:WANTED:   27x1 1/4 posted by David on 5/25/2007 at 5:09:41 AM
Nashbar.com often has 27" tires on sale.
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