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FOR SALE:   SUPERCYCLE posted by: MP on 1/24/2001 at 10:59:26 AM
Looking for information on a 70s era Canadian-made SuperCycle Trail A T 12 speed mountain bike. It comes equipped with Shimano RS components, 2002 steel double crown fork, Lee-Chi brake levers and early DH bar. Definitely old school variety. Thanks for any history on this.

           SUPERCYCLE = Canadian Tire Store Bike posted by Paul on 1/25/2001 at 6:12:14 PM
The SuperCycle brand bicycle are sold through Canadian Tire hardware stores in Canada. Canadian Tire is the largest hardware store chain in Canada. Being a Canadian familiar with all types of bicycles from this country I can tell you that although your bike may look like it is a 70's era bike it most probably is a bike from the 80's. Canadian Tire being a large chain is notoriously slow to figure out consumers and I know that they weren't exactly the first retailers offering mountain bikes. I know for a fact that they didn't get mountain style bikes until the mid 80's. I got my first Rocky Mountain Hammer in 1984 and seem to remember the mountain bike craze being picked up by large retailers and having bikes in stock after I got my Rocky Mountain. SuperCycles are typically of Taiwanese manufacture and it might say "Made in Canada" but that really means assembled in Canada by the Canadian Tire employee who put the bike together with a couple of crescent wrenches after he pulled it out of the box
that came from Taiwan. Shimano RS components are not exactly old school by my book. I hope someone gave you this bike because by my estimate it has a collectable value of about zero. A lot of SuperCycles end up at garage sales or police auctions. If I would put a value on your bike I would say that it would probably fetch $20 or $30 in Canadian money. Divide that number in half if your talking about exchange to U.S. dollars. I would like to add that Canada does have a very rich history of bicyles and mountain bikes. Any early bikes by Rocky Mountain, Paul Brodie or Off Road Toad would certainly start to become collectable in the next few years. Typically the Canadian manufacturer's built smaller numbers of bikes for the smaller Canadian market and as such are less numerous than some of the production numbers assembled by American manufacturers. Canadian mountain bikes are typically distinguished by radically sloping top tubes, a design feature built into Canadian bikes to offer the greatest amount of stand over clearance for constant dismounts in the typical Canadian muck we ride in.

           RE:SUPERCYCLE = Canadian Tire Store Bike posted by MP on 1/26/2001 at 5:48:48 AM
Thanks for that info. It was actually given to me, so I'm not out anything. What would you classify as a good collectible "Old School Mountain Bike"?

           I define "Old School Mountain Bike" as.... posted by Paul on 1/27/2001 at 12:58:20 AM
Anything hand manufactured in the U.S. by any of the original mountain bike pioneers, i.e. Tom Ritchey, Joe Breeze, Gary Fisher, Chris Chance, Cunningham, any of the early guys that started and influenced this whole mountain bike thing in the first place. Personally my own little wish list would include early bikes by Wilderness Trail Bikes, Mountain Goat, Slinghshot, Mantis, Ibis, Manitou, Fat Chance, Yeti and Northstar. I'm always keeping my eye peeled for road bikes like the Bridgestone RB-1, Slimchance and a full Suntour Superbe Pro Gruppo still in the box. Remember when Mavic made a gruppo and for road and mountain and they had that electronic "ZAP" shifter system for road bikes. I'd like to get my hands on some of that stuff. I could see a real appreciation in the future for race bikes which can be historically traced to actually being ridden by Ned Overend, John Tomac, and any of the early day pro NORBA champions. Someday all the early titanium bikes will become collectable to freaks like myself who cherish the early stuff. Any prototype bikes which developed into production models I think would have historical significance in future. I'm sure a lot of people have different opinions of what will be collectable in the future. Anybody have anything to add?

           RE:I define posted by Scidlid Pete on 1/28/2001 at 1:52:43 PM
You coverd a lot of ground. I belive a good collector item would be the dinosuars that Gary, Charlie, Tom, and Joe's old Clunkers they broke into mountian biking back in the early 70's would be excellent collector items of this time. Joe's Schwinn Excelsior with a drum brake. Merin County where it all came togegther. The rest is history.

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FOR SALE:   1980's 24" Schwinn Frontier posted by: Tom G on 1/22/2001 at 1:18:47 PM
all original in near mint condition, hardly ridden, perfect
for the smaller person, pic available, $99


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MISC:   The bikes I have. What do you think? posted by: Paul on 1/18/2001 at 12:26:28 AM
Hi everybody. I just stumbled across this great site and thought I'd try to get some impressions, from anyone that wants to offer, thoughts or appraisals on the bikes I have.
These include...
1) 1989 Ritchey P-23, not original paint, crank, wheels or seatpost. Very nice condition though. This is my baby bike.
2) 1990 Gary Fisher Gemini tandem, all original.
3) 1993 or 94 Specialized Stumpjumper M2 with serial number 00003 on the frame. Original. I'm very curious about the serial number on this bike. Is it possible it's #3 off production line?
4) Bridgestone XO-1 purchased directly from Bridgestone after they went out of business. Original except for seatpost.
5) Two lovely Bridgestone posters also purchased directly from Bridgestone. One copy of each edition. Mounted and on display in my house.
6) Two Bridgestone catalogues I forget from which years, (I've got them all sealed away) very entertaining reading.
7) About 200 mountain bike magazines from the mid to late eighties. Mostly Mountain Bike Action.

I would love to hear from any Ritchey owners who own or have owned P-23's or any Ritchey handbuilts, ie. Commando.

Speaking of the Ritchey Commando I know of a frame (never used or ridden) in a bike shop in Kingston, Ontario. Its been hanging from the ceiling for the last 20 years or so. Camoflage paint and hand brazed by Tom Ritchey himself. Anybody ever seen one of these? Its a very cool bike.

Thanks for reading my post.

           old Ritchey and Fisher stuff is cool posted by John E on 1/18/2001 at 7:51:35 PM
Most of your bikes are of at least historical interest, and I suspect they are pretty decent rides, as well.

           RE:old Ritchey and Fisher stuff is cool posted by Oscar on 1/19/2001 at 8:07:23 PM
I've stopped using camoflage paint. Lost too many bikes in the woods that way.

           RE:RE:old Ritchey and Fisher stuff is cool posted by Wings on 1/21/2001 at 8:24:27 PM
Oscar, Hmmm. Could you give me the location of those woods?

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FOR SALE:   JAMIS DAKOTA posted by: MC on 1/16/2001 at 1:35:10 AM
I have an older mountain bike that I would appreciate any information on. It is a black Jamis Dakota 18 speed with complete Suntour drivetrain including Suntour rollercam brakes and motorcycle-style brake levers. It was originally purchased in the 80s. I also have access to a yellow Jamis Cross Country from the same period. Are these worth anything?

           1986? posted by John E on 1/18/2001 at 7:48:34 PM
My 1988 Schwinn KOM-10 has a SunTour rollercam in front, those same long brake levers, and 21-speed SunTour XCD transmission. Your bike sounds like the same vintage, or possibly a bit earlier, because of the 6-speed freewheel. Do you know what type of frame tubing it has?

           RE:1986? posted by MC on 1/19/2001 at 5:48:34 PM
Unmarked steel--too heavy for cromolly.

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MISC:   Two Bridgestone MB-0's posted by: Barry on 1/12/2001 at 5:07:01 PM
We have two MB-Zipps....we don't use them....should I sell them, what is a fair price range....or keep them for there collectors value? Thanks for the input.

           RE:MISC:   Two Bridgestone MB-0's posted by mikeq on 1/14/2001 at 8:04:21 AM
Hmmm... MB0's are certainly collectable. Value depends on condition, condition, condition, and if components are original. I have an absolute mint condition, all original MB2 for which a guy offered me $750, which means it may be worth a lot more. I'd hang onto your MB0's unless you absolutely have to sell them. Price can only go up. And, if you have to sell them, and can't determine the value, I'd go the Ebay route.

           RE:MISC:   Two Bridgestone MB-0's posted by Art on 1/14/2001 at 6:26:15 PM
The most sought after Bridgestone mt bikes are the XO and the XO-1. I would assume the MB-Os are the most valued of the mountain bike line, they were the top of the line, most expensive model of the company. Bridgestone has sort of a cult following. The bikes are no longer made and thus hold collector value. Grant Petersen(of Rivendell)'s involvement with Bridgestone also adds to their mystique(and value). Mike's idea of using E-bay is a good idea. I'd put a high reserve on them just to see what you'd get. Bicycle Trader also sells high end mt bikes and I might call Brad at American Cyclery in SF and ask him. I found a MB-6 for $15 dollars at a yard sale.

           RE:MISC:   Two Bridgestone MB-0's posted by dickshooter on 1/15/2001 at 5:25:47 PM

MB0's were the later, tig-welded, Tiwanese-made versions of earlier Japanese-made, lugged and brazed, MB1,2,3,4,5 and (maybe) 6's, and therefore have less collector value. Although quality made, they suffered from being too light for heavy duty mountain biking. As a result many of them suffered frame failures. Their value? Nowhere near that of the lugged models.

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MISC:   All original Lotus posted by: Tony on 1/12/2001 at 3:49:57 PM
I know where there is an all orginal Lotus mountain bike with bull moose bars, sun tour etc. Is it worth the $30 they want for it?

           yes, if it's in halfway decent condition posted by John E on 1/13/2001 at 2:09:01 PM
If the bike fits you comfortably and if the frame and major components are sound, go for it!

           RE:MISC:   All original Lotus posted by Andy on 7/3/2001 at 8:34:05 AM
YES IT IS! If it is a british eagles made lotus it would of cost £900 new. It doesnt sound all original to me a it should have deore LX not suntour. I have one myself

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FOR SALE:   Panasonic MC5500 posted by: Todd on 1/1/2001 at 1:15:56 PM
Hey Guys, cool page!
I have a Panasonic MC5500 that I bought in 1992 but it was made earlier and had
never sold. It's a lugged chro-mo frame with Suntour XCD 6000's, Araya RM20 rims,
and the original Panasonic tires. The dealer told me it had been a "hot" bike in it's
day and I was poor so it's what I came home with. Anyone know anything about Panasonic bikes? Thanks.

           RE:FOR SALE:   Panasonic MC5500 posted by Todd on 1/1/2001 at 2:46:42 PM
The Panasonic above bike isn't for sale, I just missed clicking on the correct subject. Sorry.

           Panasonic = Matsushita = Technics = National posted by John E on 1/1/2001 at 7:03:48 PM
Panasonic is one of several brand names used by a large, diverse, well-regarded Japanese company. I have used their Panaracer road tyres in the past, and have bought plenty of their home electronic equipment (who hasn't?). It should be a decent bike, comparable to a Fuji or Nishiki. I have also heard that some of the Japanese-made Schwinns of the 1970s and 1980s were Panasonics.

           RE:FOR SALE:   Panasonic MC5500 posted by DE on 10/15/2002 at 5:07:59 AM
Panasonic MC 5500 was being sold in 1987. I remeber that model when I purched my first MTB a Nishiki ariel that same year, They both retailed for about $650 back then.

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MISC:   another project bike completed posted by: John E on 12/29/2000 at 7:29:05 PM
I just test-drove my latest "garage sale special" project bike, an early 1990s aluminum-framed Ross Rock Machine. I installed KoolStop brake pads (as always!), replaced the cheapo OEM wheelset with 8-speed Deore Parallax / DT / Mavic, the junky pedals with nice old aluminum road quills with clips, and the low-end cranks with Shimano RSX ($50 @ sheldonbrown.com), and geared it with my signature 8-tooth drop + grannie (46-38-24 this time) in front, 2-tooth progression (12-13-15-17-19-21-23-25) in back. Because of clearance problems on the inside face of the front derailleur, I was unable to experiment much with my 38T SunTour cycloid (a Biopace wannabe) chainring. Obviously, given the pedigree, the frame is nothing special, but it is light, stable, stiff, and comfortable. The steering response seems slow, but my tastes are biased by my Bianchi road bike, with its 99cm wheelbase.

           RE:MISC:   another project bike completed posted by Wings on 12/30/2000 at 1:43:31 AM
I also use Kool Stop on my recumbents and a mountain bike. I put a pair of "Eagle Yellow" pads on a mountain bike to try -- and those pads were also really great pads for only $6 a pair at Supergo. I was planning to do a comparison between the two brands. Have you tried Eagle Yellow?

           Boss Ross posted by Oscar on 12/30/2000 at 9:41:21 PM
It sounds like you put together a fine bike. I've never rode aluminum, but I heard it "feels" less springy than steel. If this is the downside to aluminum's light weight, would it even make a difference with wide mountain tires? Just curious, but congratulations.

           brake pads; aluminum posted by John E on 12/31/2000 at 12:39:00 PM
Thanks for your postings, Oscar and Wings. I will have to try a set of Eagle Yellow brake pads. I finally replaced the nice-looking Shimano pads on my Bianchi with KoolStops, which are much more effective with my first-generation Campy brake calipers and Shimano aero brake handles.

I need to do more offroad work to be sure, but on road I feel little difference between my fat aluminum tubed Ross and my skinny CrMo tubed Schwinn mountain bike. For me, a roadie at heart, those heavy, fat, squishy 26 x 1.95" tyres dominate the ride and performance characteristics. In contrast, among my three road bikes, frame-to-frame differences are readily apparent under almost all conditions.

Reading the CPSC website on bicycle safety recalls made me glad my Ross does not have a suspension-style fork ...

           RE:brake pads; aluminum posted by Wings on 12/31/2000 at 8:12:33 PM
What color Kool Stop pads did you use? I am going to put a gray set on my mountain bike - have not used gray before. I use red and salmon Kool stop on my "funny bike." Eagle also has different colors (hardness).
I noticed Sachs/S have V brakes that come equipped with Kool Stop pads! Has anyone tried the Sramm V Brakes?

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MISC:   Suspension forks posted by: Wings on 12/20/2000 at 11:35:57 PM
I am looking for a source that would give all the suspension forks that have been made by each manufacturer with the data listed about each fork. Do you know of such a source?

           "The Dancing Fork Blade"? posted by John E on 12/21/2000 at 6:17:39 AM
I wonder whether one of the big mountain bike repair manuals has such a compendium. Otherwise, maybe Frank Berto needs to compile another book ... .

I still happily ride bikes from the venerable era in which the (steel) stays and fork were the only suspension one needed.

           RE: The History of Suspension Forks posted by Oscar on 12/24/2000 at 2:04:55 PM
"Dancing Fork" cracked me up. Modern suspension forks were only beginning to be raced in '91 and '92. I believe that a Rock Shox was fork used to win a NORBA event. Mountain bike mag writers quickly started test riding suspension forks, and the overriding attitude was "once you ride it, you will never go back" to what we now call a rigid fork.

The first forks used elastomers for the cushioning, and the big deal was that the elastomers could be swapped to provide more or less boinging about. Newer forks require as much maintenance as your derailleurs. Oil bath this, air chamber that, and blown seals. It sounds like work, huh?

Wings, I nominate you to write The History of Suspension Forks. Just read all the back issues of the Dirt Rag from 1990 on, and report it back to us. I promise to buy a copy (if autographed).

           RE:RE: The History of Suspension Forks posted by Wings on 12/30/2000 at 1:46:21 AM
I would like to point out that my post came first in hopes that you would have written it by now so I could read it!!!

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FOR SALE:   80's high end MTB components... posted by: Geoff on 12/15/2000 at 10:08:28 AM
What components would have been on a high end
1987-88 mountain bike?
Cranks, brakes,hubs, derailleurs, etc..
Also, what kind of seat?

           1988 Schwinn KOM posted by John E on 12/16/2000 at 7:12:43 AM
I can list what's on my 1988 Schwinn KOM-10. I am not sure, but I believe most of the stuff is original.
Brakes: Shimano U-brake (R); SunTour Rollercam (F)
Brake levers: Shimano 4-finger (motorcycle-style)
Stem: Nitto with front brake cable drilling
Saddle: white selle Italia
Pedals: Shimano
Cranks: Sugino 110/74mm BCD
Chainrings: aluminum, originally 48/38/28 with 38T SunTour ovoid (I changed to 48/40/24)
Derailleurs: SunTour XCD9000 series
Shifters: 7-speed index/friction SunTour thumb levers
Hubs: SunTour XC sealed bearing
Spokes: DT stainless, 14G
Rims: black anodized heat treated Ritchey
Freewheel: 7-speed SunTour (orig. 13-32, now 13-26)
I hope this helps.

           RE:1988 Schwinn KOM posted by stratbike@airmail.net on 12/17/2000 at 8:07:23 PM
Thanks John, that is exactly the kind of post I was
looking for.
Anybody else have a high-end MTB from this period?


           RE:FOR SALE:   80's high end MTB components... posted by Jeff on 12/18/2000 at 2:00:47 PM
My late 80's (1987, I think) MountainKlein has a Shimano Deore group on it. Crank, front hub, rear six speed cassette hub, index thumb shifters front canti brake, rear U-brake, levers, pedals, and derailleurs. It also has a Dura Ace headset, Odyssey stem with a little roller cam on it, and Araya rims. Chances are good that it had Bio-Pace chainrings but these were replaced with alloy Sugino round chainrings.My 86' Cannondale SM500 has a full Suntour XC package on it with rollercam brakes, sealed BB, friction thumbshifters, big brake levers, etc... Both of these bikes
have had the saddles replaced but I would guess that an Avocet saddle (Gel?) of some type would have came on bikes from this era.

           handlebar width posted by John E on 12/20/2000 at 10:53:02 AM
One other observation: At 52cm, the near-straight handlebar on my mountain bike is 6cm shorter than the otherwise similar new ones I see in bike shops. Has fashion changed over the past decade, or do people routinely cut their bars down to size? Perhaps because of my "roadie" roots, I would prefer an even narrower hand spread, whether on a trail or in traffic.

           RE:1988 Schwinn KOM posted by Terry Barnes on 2/27/2001 at 11:48:54 AM
I have a high end 1987 UK (probably only end rather than high end at that date ) Raleigh Ozark 18. It still has my modifications from that period so some things are a little weird.

Frame Reynolds 531 All Terrain
Brakes Deore XT U-Brake rear, Deore XT Cantilevers front
Levers Suntour XC Pro 2 finger (replaced 4 finger Deore)
Gearing Front Deore XT, Rear Deore XT with 600 Short Cage
Chainset Deore, 28 Bio, 38 Bio, 46 round
Pedals Suntour XC Pro
Saddle Selle Italia Turbo Pro
Shifters Deore XT Thumbshifters
Block 12-24 6 speed
Wheels Q/R Mavic M7CD (ceramic coating) on Deore XT hubs
Headset Deore XT
B/B Deore XT

I used to use this bike to compete around 87-88-89 in the
UK and it's still my preferred bike. It's actually lighter
than a lot of the suspension bikes around now which I find
quite funny.

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MISC:   Snow Riding posted by: Oscar on 12/14/2000 at 3:19:10 PM
My fair city got pounded with 14" on snow on Monday, then another 3 on Wednesday. After my shoveling chore Wednesday nite, I saw the mountian bike hanging in the garage, beckoning me with its 2.10" knobby tires like a gap-toothed smile.

The only place where I could ride was on the walk that I shoveled, and on the tire ruts of the street. (Plows are a luxury here.) I did pretty well, but slow with a 29" gear, and I even had 26" climbing gear to fall back on.

I turned from my street to the next one, on which only one car left its ruts. In the climbing gear and with a right turn, I ran into zero-momentum. I fell over just like the old man on the tricyle on Laugh-in. Soft snow, and no witnesses. I must have tumbled three times just getting back to my street.

All in all, I made a mile of it before turning in. By the time my wife got home from the store, the snow covered my tire tracks. Like I said, no witnesses.

           RE:MISC:   Snow Riding posted by Wings on 12/15/2000 at 9:03:13 PM
We are all witnesses to such antics!!!!
Sounds cool!
I rode in 60 degree sun today. :) However the snow thing would be fun -- for 1 day!

           holiday greetings! posted by John E on 12/16/2000 at 4:54:31 PM
Hapy Holidays, Oscar. I have read about various applications of mountain bikes in the snow, and have even seen pictures of special frames with double-tyred wheels. Thanks for posting.

           RE:holiday greetings! posted by JOEL on 12/21/2000 at 8:43:19 AM
On a MTB trip to North Carolina just before Thanksgiving my friends and I woke up to about 3 inches of fresh snow. As we started riding, the snow started up again and by the time we got back to the car, about 6-7 inches had fallen. It was one of our better bike trips.

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FOR SALE:   Redline City Manhattan posted by: mike on 12/12/2000 at 12:39:20 PM
21" Redline City Manhattan Chrome steel frame only...rear spacing for 6 or 7 speed hub..see photo at....$50....


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MISC:   Bridgestone MB2 posted by: Mike Quigley on 12/8/2000 at 7:00:07 AM
Holiday Greetings! Can you determine year of manufacture of a MB2 from its serial number?



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FOR SALE:   82 or 83 Specialized Stumpjumper Sport posted by: L.Wright on 12/4/2000 at 1:04:22 PM
I have an early 80s Stump Sport-Light blue W/white decals that I would like to sell. I bought the bike new in 82 or 83. I raced the bike all around Oregon in many events including several years of the infamous "Revenge of the Siskyous" and the Fat Tire Bike Week Pearl Pass ride in 84.After being retired from racing she was pressed into service as a touring ride logging a couple trips down the Oregon coast.
The bike is original except for the tires ,seat,grips and rear pads. I would rate its condition as 4 or 5 out of 10. This was one of the first production mtn. bikes to come into Portland Ore.
I really dont have any idea how much it is worth. any ideas?


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FOR SALE:   Raleigh Rims posted by: Wings on 11/29/2000 at 9:27:52 PM
Many Araya rims were used in the 80's especially one very popular design. I have noticed that Raleigh Technium Mountain bikes used a real clean looking rim. I can't find any writing on it indicating the manufacturer, however on one rim is a faded label that is the same design as the label used by Araya (sp?) but the name has been bleached out by the weather. Is this rim which I have on two Raleigh Technium bikes (26 in) made by Araya?
Question 2: They look very strong. If you have used them what are your comments on the rim?

           Araya rims posted by John E on 11/30/2000 at 7:16:22 PM
I have never tried their mountain bike rims, but I have used various Araya road rims over the past 30 years and have always found them to be sturdy and reliable. They did misdrill the slanting spoke holes in 1973, such that the valve stem would fit between converging spokes, thereby restricting pump head clearance.

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