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AGE / VALUE:   Iver Johnson bicycle dating posted by: Winton on 10/6/2005 at 6:41:46 PM
Can anyone provide or refer me to a source of dating
Iver Johnson bicycles by frame serial number?
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FOR SALE:   For sale: 1917 Ivor Johnson posted by: Peter Naiman on 9/27/2005 at 4:16:51 PM
For sale; 1917 Ivor Johnson, complete and appears to be all original, with original sprung leather seat, brass pump, bell, and handlebar mounted horn. Thw wood rim appear to have been refinished at one point and still look very nice, but most if not all of the nicholed componants need replating. All componants appear to be Ivor Johnson. Frame size 23&1/2" cc with a 22&1/2" top tube. She was purchased from the Copake Auction in Hillsdale., New York several years ago for restoration and I've just no time for another project, so I'd rather sell to a good home. Will ship to anywhere in the U.S. or Canada and available for local pickup. Can deliver within a hundred mile radius of Milwaukee. Pictures available.
Asking price is $400 or B/O

Peter Naiman
Glendale, WI

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          RE:FOR SALE:   For sale: 1917 Ivor Johnson posted by Winton on 10/6/2005 at 6:14:11 PM
How do you know the exact year of this bike?
What is its serial number please (just below the seat post opening on the frame).
THANKS!

          RE:FOR SALE:   For sale: 1917 Ivor Johnson posted by April Manton on 2/2/2006 at 1:15:41 PM
I would liketo know if this bike is still for sale or possible for sale from the purchaser.
THank you,
April Manton
Yes.. I am from the Manton Family




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MISC:   New email newsgroup dedicated to Vintage Bicycle Restorations posted by: Peter Naiman on 9/25/2005 at 3:01:11 PM
This is a personal invite to anyone interested in bicycle restorations from myself to those who may want to join a new growing list that is dedicated cycle restorations. There are no hard fast governing rules to adhere to,
and it seems like a very congenial group. So far there are about 380 members and when I joined a few months ago there might have only 30-40, so it is growing quickly. To join, click on the URL
listed below.

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bicycle_Restoration

I just joined the Wheelmen after lurking from the outside for years and have found most lists are dedicated the either Antiques, Lightweight Racer, Balloon Tyre, or Touring bikes etc, but no group deals with all areas of interest. I'd like too see a list in which all cycle groups come together and share information. It doesn't matter what era a cycle is from, we can all share our knowledge and interest.

P.S. to all, this is a personal disclaimer. This is not an attempt by me to steal away folks from the Bob, CR Lists or other lists as I'm a member of both and plan on staying active with both. It's just nice to have another public forum with which to air information without restrictions.

Best regards,
Peter Naiman
Glendale, WI

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MISC:   ROADSTERS posted by: Jørge Ullfig on 9/22/2005 at 5:34:38 PM


Hello, I'm Classic & Vintage bicycle fan and have a dilemma, when did the "Roadster" term first began to be used, was it in the Bicycle Industry or maybe before that in the Buggy era, according to all dictionaries its defined as a two-seat, open car, traditionally without side windows, but in many Bicycle history books Roadsters are mentioned, the 1885 Swift Dwarf Safety "Roadstar" witch could very likely be the precursor of maybe a "franchised" Roadster, and the High-wheeler 1889 Springfield Roadster or the Columbia Light Roadster Safety of 1887, and of course the English Roadsters, please someone help me out on this one.

Cheers, Jørge

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          RE:MISC: ROADSTERS posted by DT on 10/13/2005 at 3:44:10 AM
The Columbia Light Roadster was first introduced in 1885. I'm sure the Brits were using the term earlier than that, maybe even in the 70's. As for figuring out who was the first, good luck!




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MISC:   Photos of the Larz Anderson Bicycle Show on the Wool Jersey Photo Gallery posted by: Peter Naiman on 9/20/2005 at 2:52:38 PM
It's taken a while to get the jpgs of this years show
at Larz up in albums, but it's finally done for your
viewing. Lots of neat cycles, from Lightweights to
Antique. There are contributions from six different
photographers.

http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/Larz-Anderson-05

Peter Naiman
Glendale, WI

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MISC:   first time restoration posted by: Tim on 9/9/2005 at 5:46:21 PM
Hi,
I am starting the restoration of my first bike, a 1898 Western Mfg. Cyrus. I am in need of some guidance.
1. how do I take the sprocket off of the hub, what tools do i need?
How do I remove the cranks from the bottom bracket, and for that matter remove the bb altogether?
any other advice would be helpful to a first timer.
Tim

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          RE:MISC: first time restoration posted by Cyrus McLean on 11/14/2005 at 9:15:02 PM
Tim: I have two Cyrus's (one an 1890's made by J. Lohr and Sons of Laporte, Indiana, and the others a 1917 made by Great Western of Laporte). I was going to restore them myself, but it got to be too much and I had a professional do them for me. I just recently bought another 1890's Cyrus and plan to make it into a rider (not a perfect restoration). I won't be able to start work on it until the spring, but would like to correspond about our projects. Would also be willing to send you photos of the two completed bikes. Cyrus McLean, Spokane, WA




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AGE / VALUE:   wood rims posted by: marc on 9/9/2005 at 2:55:42 PM
I just got some wood wheels with a bike, but they are just the wood part. I don't know if they made just wood rims or if someone took the steel off of these. They are 28 inch tire ones and one is rounded and the other one is flatter by the spokes. Anyone know if these may have had the steel removed or they were made this way? Pics at link below. Marc
Probably have to cut and paste the link.

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/easywind2/album?src=ph&.dir=2e44&.tok=

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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   wood rims posted by David on 10/21/2005 at 11:30:27 PM
I can't tell you much about wood rims, but I can say that you have complete wheels and they don't look bad. I'm sure they used tubular tires that were glued on to the rim, exactly like tubular racing tires of today. You can see the glue residue in the pictures. Cool.




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AGE / VALUE:   The Boston W.W. Stall posted by: George on 9/3/2005 at 6:47:35 PM
I recently picked up an old bike from my local transfer station. The tag reads, The Boston W.W. Stall. I tried googling the name and i got a little blurb saying it was built in the 1890's. I also found another site that had a sales poster saying it was a "saftey bicycle". The bike is complete except for the tires. I dont know much more than that but I am interested to know if it is worth anything. Because it just looks like it should be in a museum.

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          RE:AGE / VALUE: The Boston W.W. Stall posted by DT on 9/4/2005 at 12:11:35 AM
George,

WW Stall was a racer of Star (little wheel in the front) high wheel bicycles in the early to mid 1880's. He held the hill climb record on the Star in that time period. He went on to become a very successful bicycle dealer in Boston, selling Stars, Columbias, etc. Probably he had a company make the bike you are describing and put his label on it. I don't believe he actually made any bikes, but I could be wrong.

          RE:AGE / VALUE:   The Boston W.W. Stall posted by walter branche on 9/5/2005 at 3:02:12 PM
hi, if you send me a photo i will be able to tell you about your bike and i will make an offer if you are selling it.. thanks,, wpb




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AGE / VALUE:   reproduction hi wheeler????? posted by: Diana on 9/2/2005 at 5:48:46 AM
I have what I belive to be a reproduction of a highwheeler bicycle. The front tire is 28x1.5 the back tire is 16x1.5. The seat is leather with springs and says troxel the pedal says made in usa k10491. The frame has hooks like it was taken from a bicycle with handel brakes and a wire to the back tire. But there are no breaks at all. It is in great shape. I recived it from my landlord who is 75 years old and he has owned it for many years. He will not give me any information on it he said I would figure it out. I would like to know how old it is what it is called where it was made and how much it is worth. I did some reaserch but have not got anywhere fast. I am from Cleveland Ohio and so was my landlord so I thought mabey it might be made by lowell kennedy from defiance ohio who made reproductions in 1974 but I don't know. I haven't been able to find any bike that looked like it. Please help!!??!!

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AGE / VALUE:   lamplighter bicycle posted by: donald on 8/26/2005 at 12:02:27 AM
i built an immitation of a lamplighter. how many even know what i am talking about. if interested write me. lots of fun--lots of pictures taken of me---and no broken bones as of now. d.t.

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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   lamplighter bicycle posted by marc on 8/29/2005 at 5:24:02 AM
Lamplighter bikes were used in the 1890's for lighting the tall gas lights on streets in cities. Looks like fun getting on one of those!




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MISC:   Cancellation of Boston Swap Meet posted by: Peter Naiman on 8/12/2005 at 8:33:32 PM
I'm posting the note for good friend Jason Cloutier with regard to the afformentioned Boston Swap Meet.

Thank you, Peter Naiman
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The organizer of the Boston Swap Meet at Hibernian Hall, 151 Watertown Street., Watertown, MA has cancelled the plaaned swap since there were not sufficient pre-registered sellers to cover costs, she cannot afford to go ahead with the event. I know that there are some out-of-town people who were planning on travelling to Boston for the weekend to attend both the swap meet and the Larz show. Rather than abandon the swap meet, I would like to try to make it happen.

Since the efforts to resurrect the Boston Bike Swap
have failed, I am inviting anybody that is interested
to stop by for a bicycle yard sale this weekend here
at my house. I should be available both Saturday and
Sunday. I have the inventory of two closed bike shops
and an accululation of stuff collected during the 16
years that I have lived here. The swap meet will be for CR and Bob List members only.

I live in the northeast corner of Rhode Island, only 1
mile from I-95. Please contact me off-list for
directions.

Sincerely,
Jason Cloutier
Pawtucket, RI
Contact Email: velo59@yahoo.com

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AGE / VALUE:   Child's Jackrabbit hi-wheeler info posted by: Randy on 8/11/2005 at 11:56:26 PM
My father has a small children's antique hi-wheeler bicycle and all he knows is that it says "Jackrabbit" on the handle bars. It has wooden handle grips with a '18" or so front wheel. Anyone know anything about it?

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MISC:   Larz Anderson National Bike Show and Watertown Swap/ August 14th posted by: Peter Naiman on 7/27/2005 at 1:32:08 PM
A number of events beside the Concours are planned for Sunday August 14th. David Herlighy, noted cycle historian and author will be attending and doing a book signing and talk, the Wheelman will be attending and plan on riding at the show in period dress with possibly giving demonstration on riding a highwheeler. Mavic Wheels which is now a sponsor of the show is planning a demonstration which I will have more information on later.

At 9:00AM Jack Demerest or as most of his friends know him as Five Speed Jack will open the day by leading a ride through Bostons famed Emerald Necklace and return to the show at roughly 10:00AM for the shows opening. For those who want to drop off bikes and go on the ride, I will be at the Museum of Transportation by 8:30AM to take bikes in so those folks can go on the 9:00AM ride.

For more information about the show, please see our website at www.oldroads.com/show and thank you to Webmaster Vin Vullo for updating and hosting our site.
I can be contacted on my email address listed with this post for additional information on the show.

Hope to see you all there.

Peter Naiman
Shorewood, WI

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AGE / VALUE:   excelsior bicycle made in michigan city,in. posted by: tony on 7/26/2005 at 10:46:14 PM
Do you have any info on a excelsior bicycle made in michigan city,in.Its a pre-war with 28x1"1/2 wheels. Thanks Tony

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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   excelsior bicycle made in michigan city,in. posted by Phil on 8/11/2005 at 2:44:13 AM
Excelsior were made from the early 190's thru the 1930's when D.P. Harris and Snyder bicycleco took over. The ealry bikes were usually Green paint. The usually had a big E namebadge or A big D for deluxe.
Phil




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WANTED:   FranDouglas:Kenwood, Sylph,Douglas #10, or DouglasLadies Special posted by: Mark Thompson on 7/9/2005 at 6:59:29 PM
I am looking for a bike or any information regarding early "safety bikes" made by Frank Douglas in Chicago in the 1890s. I understand that the models were: Kenwood, Sylph, Douglas #10, and Douglas Ladies Special. Thanks

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          RE:WANTED: Frank Douglas:Kenwood, Sylph,Douglas #10, or DouglasLadies Special posted by Mark Thompson on 7/9/2005 at 7:10:57 PM
I posted the first message in this thread. My email is msteug@hotmail.com. Thanks, again.

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