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WANTED:   ND model A brake arm posted by: Charlie on 3/30/2002 at 3:37:31 AM
WANTED: A nice brake arm for a New Departure model A hub (not pitted or scratched up). Strap hardware a plus.

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AGE / VALUE:   Corsair Bicycle posted by: Ed Cain on 3/26/2002 at 11:36:59 PM
Just won the e-bay bid on a Corsair Bicycle (#1084900572) 28" wood rims that appears to be about 1910-1915. Has anyone ever heard of this make, where it was made, what years, etc? I'd appreciate any info you have. Thanks.

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AGE / VALUE:   Olive green Mead Crusader posted by: x on 3/23/2002 at 12:22:41 AM
A couple days ago I pulled my old Mead Crusader out and for the first time I'm trying to get a bead on what it is. Its a men's bike, wooden rims, ancient Chicago made tires with black treads, fenders, acetylene lamp, and so on. The grips were replaced long ago, maybe the pedal treads, but everything else seems untouched except by time. Its painted olive green, handstriped in black, has the gold w/black edging Crusader decal on the frame (a few other decals as well) and an ornate Crusader badge, probobly originally brass or nickle plated, with Mead Cycle Co. above the Crusader name. The newest patent date is 1902. The nickle is all gone, and some of the olive green and black striping paint on the rims is missing as well. There are parts of rust on the frame, but not overall. I havent touched it, nor will wax or dip in boiling lava; I'm frankly terrified of it. Bicycles have me flummoxed. Stylistically, it looks early 1900s, but Crusaders seem to be a popular and long lived brand. Were these common? How long did Mead make them, and what do I have, and what is it worth?

Many thanks, A couple days ago I pulled my old Mead Crusader out and for the first time I'm trying to get a bead on what it is. Its a men's bike, wooden rims, ancient Chicago made tires with black treads, fenders, acetylene lamp, and so on. The grips were replaced long ago, maybe the pedal treads, but everything else seems untouched except by time. Its painted olive green, handstriped in black, has the gold w/black edging Crusader decal on the frame (a few other decals as well) and an ornate Crusader badge, probobly originally brass or nickle plated, with Mead Cycle Co. above the Crusader name. The newest patent date is 1902. The nickle is all gone, and some of the olive green and black striping paint on the rims is missing as well. There are parts of rust on the frame, but not overall. I havent touched it, nor will wax or dip in boiling lava; I'm frankly terrified of it. Bicycles have me flummoxed. Stylistically, it looks early 1900s, but Crusaders seem to be a popular and long lived brand. Were these common? How long did Mead make them, and what do I have, and what is it worth?

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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Olive green Mead Crusader posted by x on 3/24/2002 at 8:30:40 PM
"Looked at it again and note its tires are made by Mead as well, 28"" with ""puncture resistant"" and ""Mead Cycle Co. Chicago"" on them. The other decal aside from the name Crusader in cursive is a pair of intertwined emblems, on the seat post (?) one says Mead Cycle Co., with the American seal on it (eagle, arrows, laurels). The rubber pedals are rough but look original. The seat has lost its upper leatherm, but fragments of the lower leather are intact. Any help in dating this bike would be great, thanks."

          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Olive green Mead Crusader posted by Charlie on 3/30/2002 at 3:47:18 AM
Congrats on your great old bike! Can you look carefully at the rims and see if they are 100% wood, or if there is a layer of metal? That may help pinpoint an age (not that I know it, but it is an essential bit of information and someone will know). Also, look at the rear hub and see what it says. That could help too. If you have any pictures, please email them to me. I'd like to see them. The Mead literature I have seen has the Ranger as the top model, followed by the Pathfinder, and then the Crusader. I'm not sure if this lineup was always in this order, and what years they ran the names (certainly in the 1920's). That's what I've seen. Hope it helps.




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AGE / VALUE:   Wood rim/hub posted by: Dan on 3/21/2002 at 12:09:33 AM
A 28" wood rim & hub was offerred to me for purchase. Since What I collect are post-war bike's I'm unsure of the value of this item. The asking price was $10, rim is nice but rear hub is not complete and is missing spokes. This older gentleman knew I collected bicycles and dropped the wheel off at my home, now he has called and want's $10 for it. He could use the $10 more than I need the rim, what would be the value of these items ?

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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wood rim/hub posted by brian on 3/22/2002 at 4:59:20 AM
A nice wood rim is easily worth $10. value of hub depends on make and extent of missing parts. Tires for these 28 inch rims are expensive, reproductions run around $100 ea.

          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wood rim/hub posted by Dan on 3/22/2002 at 3:21:59 PM
Thank's Brian, I'll give the $10 for it, who knows maybe the next treasure he drops off will be what I need. I did ask about where the rest of the bike was but the rim was all he had found. There is a Safety bike I know of a couple of miles up the road from my home which I have only seen once on a visit. After being told it was stored in a grain silo nearby I checked it out with the owners permission. The farmers wife said it had belonged to her uncle and this lady was in her 70's, the first time I seen the bike I made an offer to buy it, I believe she would have sold it to me if her daughter had not mentioned that she also wanted it, this was five years ago. Last summer I peddled up to the farmhouse and asked if the bike was still out in the silo, it was, I offered again to buy it, she said she would ask her daughter again and for me to come back in a few weeks. Well the daughter lives out of state now and sure enough still wants the old bicycle. What would a fair offer be for this bike, it was complete, had a tool box(?) behind the seat tube, I could make out on the headbadge Chicago but not a brand name. This bike seems to be no later than a 1920 model(?) I'll have cash in hand on my next visit, but what's it worth $300-400 where do you start, I'm willing to pay a fair price if it will nudge the seller.

          RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wood rim/hub posted by Brian on 3/24/2002 at 3:09:52 AM
So many bikes were made in Chicago, it could be a Schwinn, a Mead Ranger or one made by them for someone else. Value would depend on frame style and overall condition. Is it a "motorbike" style frame? That is a double top bar frame most desirably with a tank between the bars. Should also have long braced handlebars and some type of truss fork. A more common style would be the diamond frame or a variation of that with a curved top tube. These early safety bikes are fairly easy to restore just keep in mind the high cost of tires. Most wood wheels I have seen on ebay go for about $100. a pair. When I look for early bikes to restore I look for one with original paint and graphics. You can usually estimate value by $100. for pair wheels if wood, somewhat less if steel clad, $50. for braced bars, seat $50-$100. $100. for tank, $100. for truss rod fork, $25. to $100.for a good headbadge, usable skip link chain $25.- up, good fenders and braces $25. to $100. Mens bikes of that vintage didn't have chainguards. $300 to $400 would be a good price if it is a motorbike style or at least a desirable manufacturer. I usually have a few bikes in that price range for sale if you can't find anything locally. Brian

          RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wood rim/hub posted by Dan on 3/24/2002 at 3:37:04 PM
I had one look at this bike on the first visit. It had a diamond style frame with what appeared to be a brace or smaller curved tube beneath the top tube which ran from the downtube, up to the top tube and back down to the seat tube. It had a rectangular box(tool ?) behind the seat tube which I thought was unique. I'll continue to try and purchase this bike which has a local history with it just to have a bike of this era in my small more modern collection of bicycles. Thanks for your price scale info Brian. Dan,

          RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wood rim/hub posted by Brian on 3/24/2002 at 9:47:40 PM
Sounds like what you found is an Archbar Frame, or Trussbar. That extra bar adds strength like that used in bridge construction. A very desirable frame style.




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FOR SALE:   Reproduction G&J Parts posted by: Greg on 3/18/2002 at 5:03:25 AM
For anyone interested, the first of the handlebar clamps for Gormully & Jeffery Hiwheels is ready... mostly. They still ned to be polished and plated. $300 a set.
Also, for anyone wishing to make their own bikes, I am offering 6 accurate reproduction parts from a G&J American Ideal. Head, neck, bar clamps (R&L)and spade handles. The complete set at this time is $800 rough casting and $1200 finished. The castings are all steel and are accurate copies from a bike I have.
Send me an email if interested, with luck I should have complete finished bikes out by July of this year. They will be hybrids that incorporate my wheels, saddle tops, rear forks, and fork legs. I expect retail to be $2500.

Greg Barron
Rideable Bicycle Replicas Inc.

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AGE / VALUE:   1890s Excelsior, Michigan City I.N. posted by: Brian on 3/17/2002 at 3:56:16 PM
I recently purchased a 1890s Excelsior. Headbadge is the same as an old Excelsior Schwinn motorcycle but says made in Indiana, not Chicago. It has cranks I have never seen before that say U B E with a lightning bolt and a 1896 pattent on them. Wood rims, old New Departure rear hub, of course skip link, old Persons saddle, wood grips etc...
Any ideas of a site with info, or any ways I can get info on this bike? This is to be my first restoration of a bike like this. Does anyone know how to fix an old wood hoop that has come apart at the seams, or how to fill in a chunk out of the side of the rim? Where can I find nipples long enough to go through the wood hoop. Anything will help.

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AGE / VALUE:   English Made High Wheeler posted by: karl on 3/16/2002 at 12:14:17 AM
I just found an original, 1800's high wheeler. I cannot mide any markings other than "rapid" on the hub. It is a 52", wooden "T" andles, missing the spoon, good rubber, radial spokes, never been repainted, all is solid, not a hammock saddle, pedals are "homemade". In rideable condition. Any info on where I might look for additional markings...anything. And how much is something like this worth?? Thanx for your time.

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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   English Made High Wheeler posted by Greg on 3/18/2002 at 5:01:50 AM
Hi Karl,
I don't know if I can help but if you can get me some pics of the bike, I'd be willing to try. Pics are worth a thousand words. What makes you think it is English?

Greg

          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:? English Made High Wheeler posted by karl on 3/18/2002 at 5:52:25 PM
I will try to get some pics. The guy who has it bought it in England in the 40's. He then crated it a brought it here. Thanx--karl




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AGE / VALUE:   High wheller posted by: Ron on 3/13/2002 at 11:18:56 PM
I have a high wheeler that is missing the small wheel(everything,axle etc.) where can I get one ,Thanks Please reply to email address, Thanks

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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   High wheller posted by Al Sneller on 4/19/2002 at 5:27:38 PM
We currently make an accurate reproduction rear wheel that may work for you. It is a copy of the Victor wheel of the period. We have also made the Columbia style wheel but are not stocking any at present. If this helps you, e-mail me for prices and availabilty. Al Sneller




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AGE / VALUE:   help with 2 ordinaries and a bone shaker posted by: Jeff Archer on 3/10/2002 at 1:26:19 PM
I just acquired these bikes over the weekend and wondered if anyone can help with identification. Picturs @ http://www.firstflightbikes.com/pre-1900_bikes.htm
Thanks
Jeff

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AGE / VALUE:   Star High Wheeler posted by: Joe on 3/4/2002 at 3:30:42 AM
Does anyone have any info on these, date, production number, value? Please email me directly. I don't have time view the board on a regular basis.

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WANTED:   three speed posted by: Terrell on 3/3/2002 at 4:06:12 AM
i am looking for an original sutour three speed with all original parts in it or suntour three speed parts. preferably the ballring which is the top piece that screws into the hub please email me i will buy them thanx

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AGE / VALUE:   worth? posted by: carl de angelo on 2/26/2002 at 2:41:23 AM
I have my great grandfathers circa 1910 wooden rimed Liberty.hub patent 1906,manf. by Chicago cycle and supply co. This is on the badge as well as a dipiction of the liberty statue. double roller link chain, and the frame resembles a early springer Harley. coaster brakes. help!!!

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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   worth? posted by joe on 3/4/2002 at 3:27:36 AM
Send me a picture maybe I can help. Joe




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FOR SALE:   Columbia Expert posted by: David on 2/23/2002 at 10:42:35 PM
I have a unrestored Columbia Expert 52 " for sale , it needs rubber , leather ect..... it is a nickle bike , the right hand crank was busted so I had it welded . It has the sturip style handle bars , the reason I am selling it is I do not have time to restore it correct and I will not pay to have it done . I live in So California and will not ship . I can send lots of pixs . Best offer .

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          RE:FOR SALE:   Columbia Expert posted by nelson on 2/26/2002 at 9:56:12 PM
I may be interested, though I'm in NC. Please send pics
and price range. Thanks

          RE:FOR SALE:   Columbia Expert posted by John Higley on 2/27/2002 at 11:34:31 AM
I am intersted as well. Please copy me on your pictures.




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MISC:   Replicas posted by: Blake on 2/15/2002 at 3:55:40 PM
Looking to buy my first Hi-Wheeler. I have been to the RBR web page. Does anyone else make a replica? Or is RBR the way to go for my first one?

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          RE:MISC:   Replicas posted by Steven on 2/16/2002 at 5:48:48 PM
Try WWW.victorybicycles.com they would appear to be far superior in both specification and price to RBR. Otherwise you may want to check an original out at the April 13th auction at www.copakeauction.com/2002bike/index.htm

Generally speaking, you get what you pay for. If you plan to ride the bike seriously, the RBR bikes probably aren't your best alternative. Their price is however very appealing and they do offer acceptable quality and a reasonably acceptable replica.

          RE:MISC:   Replicas posted by M sutton on 2/18/2002 at 5:51:24 AM
1800bigbike

          RE:MISC:   Replicas posted by teun on 2/18/2002 at 11:09:29 AM
Mesicek bikes (not cheap but very nice looking and very good - superior - quality)
edlee (stopped making bikes but very nice looking)




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WANTED:   Hi-wheeler posted by: Toni Marie on 2/12/2002 at 3:14:23 AM
Looking for a hi-wheeler in good riding condition.
please contact at 858-459-8420 or email windanseashe@san.rr.com.

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          RE:WANTED:   Hi-wheeler posted by Steven on 2/16/2002 at 5:50:47 PM
look at www.copakeauction.com/2002bike/index.htm for quite a number of bicycles. Whether they are rideable or not needs to be verified.


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