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MISC:   Kansas City Bicycle Swap Meet posted by: Calvert Guthrie on 6/29/2001 at 8:38:54 PM
KANSAS CITY'S FIRST EVER! (and ain't it about time!?!)
BICYCLE & SCOOTER SWAP MEET
SUNDAY, JULY 29TH, 2001 FROM DAWN until 3PM
The El Torreon (Cowtown) Ballroom
AT THE CORNER OF 31ST & GILLIHAM BOULEVARD
KANSAS CITY, MISSOURI

Easy to find. Aim your wheels for the red broadcasting tower atop Union Hill just south of downtown Kansas City and right up the hill from Crown Center. The tower is on 31st and the SWAP is only 4 blocks to the east.

Bring your bicycle booty, scooter loot, trading stock, schwagg, parts, pieces, odd bits, accessories, excessories, AND your want lists!

10 x 10 spaces will be ready for set up INSIDE the El Torreon facility. There is plenty of space inside but just in case the turnout exceeds our expectations, additional space will be available in the parking lot for the over flow.

The stage of the El Torreon has been reserved for displaying your best originals & restorations. Cash prizes are now being discussed.

A table will be dedicated to handouts for cycling advocacy, rides and other bicycle events. Petitions welcome, too.

The public is also welcome. If you've ever had an interest in bicycles or scooters, this is your best local opportunity to learn from the region's most
experienced restoration artists, mechanics, and cycling history buffs.

This meet is for Wheelmen, Veteran Cyclists, Vintage Racers, Scorchers, Cycletourists, Randonneurs, Retro-Grouches, Balloonatics, Krate Krappers, Mountain bikers, Commuters, Pubcrawlers.

You can expect to see the complete range bicycles and scooters.... Early/Vintage/Classic/Modern/Experimental.

Velocipedes, Boneshakers, Highwheelers, Safeties, Roadsters, Heavy service, Dispatch, Delivery, Military, Balloon, Lightweights, Racing, Audax, Krates & Twenty-Inchers, Recumbents, Cyclecross, Folding, Mountain, Hybrids, Moultons, Scooters, Mopeds, Cyclo-Rickshaws, HPV....Have we left anything out?

And get this.....the setup space is FREE!
One space per swapper
And every space is a great space.
NO CHARGE for Swappers.
NO CHARGE for Shoppers.
First come, first served
on the morning of the meet.
Come early and que up.
This swap meet begins at dawn.

For more information call:
Abe 816/853/8316
Buddy 816/322/6226
John 913/681/0774
Danny 816/942/4681
Steve 816/254/6714
Tom 913/362/3090
Calvert 816/363/4418

If you would like to be added
to the directory of those attending
(and those who think they might),
Send your name, address, phone#, email,
& specific interest to
Cycletruck@aol.com
A MellowVelo Production

Come into town a day early (7/28) for the Saturday night
River Market Cyclery Pub Crawl
7pm til Beer Bonk......
For nightcrawlers who value a good cruise between refreshments.......at about a dozen of Kansas City's most comfortable downtown pubs. Call Billy at the River Market Cyclery 816/842/2453 (315 East 3rd KCMO)
Take in some Kansas City Kultcha.

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AGE / VALUE:   Wanted rideable high wheel posted by: Donald on 6/14/2001 at 7:10:18 PM
Hi, I am looking for a rideable replica high wheel bike.48"
front wheel.

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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wanted rideable high wheel posted by Greg on 6/14/2001 at 8:23:36 PM
Did I talk to you all ready about getting you a replacement wheel for your bike? If I haven't then you can reach me at the posted e addy or call 510-769-0980 9-6 PST. Hope I can help.

Greg Barron




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WANTED:   Need a picture----Please posted by: Rachel on 5/30/2001 at 3:05:34 PM
I am 8 years old. I need a picture for school, a Columbia bicycle made in 1878. Can you help? thanks , Rachel

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          RE:WANTED:   Need a picture----Please posted by Greg on 6/4/2001 at 11:44:04 AM
Rachel,
I haven't got any pictures of any originals but I do have pics of replicas on my website you can cut and print. Go to www.hiwheel.com. You can also go to www.wheelmen.org and get pictures of some original bikes there.

Greg Barron
Rideable Bicycle Replicas




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MISC:   New Departure Model A Hub posted by: Tom on 5/27/2001 at 3:30:04 AM
Anyone know about the New Derparture Model A hub? I have one on a bike I came across today, that according to the patent dates is a 1894 Hartford. I've a few questions: should the hub allow for coasting? mine doesn't you must use the pegs on the front fork, but it does lock up the back wheel quickly. The brake is on the same side as the sprocket, is this correct? Bike rides like a dream. The rims are straight as an arrow and hubs roll and pedal freely. I have pics if it help. Thank you in advance for any help with this matter.

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          RE:MISC:   New Departure "Controller" posted by mike on 5/29/2001 at 4:18:06 PM
It's a New Departure "Controller" and is very unusual and rather rare. Hope this helps.




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MISC:   bikes in the 20s posted by: sam on 5/26/2001 at 4:59:40 PM
There doesn't seem to be much info on bikes made in the 1920s.Seems this era was after the safetys and before the balloon era---is there any sites with info or photos of bikes in the 20s?would like to see photos of schwinns of this time if there out there,thinks--sam

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          RE:MISC:   bikes in the 20s posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 8/30/2001 at 1:30:28 PM
Im working on this, Sam




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MISC:   "Pennypenny" bike - Does this exist? posted by: Joe on 5/25/2001 at 7:31:02 PM
The other day I had an idsea for what is basically a tandem pennyfarthing bicycle. I have posted a crude drawing and description at:

http://members.aol.com/ickyslug/penny.html

Someone has probably come up with this idea already; it would fit in pretty well with a lot of what was being designed back in the 1800's. Has anyone ever seen or built anything like this?

In the unlikely event that mine is an original idea, I hereby release it into the public domain. Build it and rule the bike path.

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          RE:MISC:   My own post posted by Joe on 5/27/2001 at 11:59:16 PM
Someone has sent me some info and a photo of a tandem hi-wheeler that looks just like my picture, more or less. Cool!




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WANTED:   Original Pony Star Hub wanted & Others posted by: John Merk on 5/25/2001 at 8:23:34 AM
Looking for a Main hub for the Pony star! I am also looking for a complete seat with springs and frame. I will also consider a repro. Let me know what parts you have for this bike I might by them all!

Thank You, John

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          RE:WANTED:   Original Pony Star Hub wanted & Others posted by Ray on 5/29/2001 at 11:31:19 AM
I am not sure if you are a Wheelman or not but I just had my hi wheeler repaired by Craig Allen of Milleville NJ. He did a fantastic job and I am very pleased with it. He does restorations and makes parts where you cannot find them. I suggest you contact him for what you need. His phone is 856-825-2996.




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FOR SALE:   Highwheel bicycle posted by: Jess on 5/19/2001 at 12:40:14 PM
1970's Highwheel replica nice shape ready to ride, great bike for parades! $450

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          RE:FOR SALE:   Highwheel bicycle posted by Jess on 5/24/2001 at 8:06:33 PM
High wheel has been sold.
Thank you for everyones intrest!




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AGE / VALUE:   Another site to see posted by: Greg on 5/16/2001 at 3:50:16 PM
For those interested, there is a similar site to this one at
http://disc.server.com/Indices/121240.html

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WANTED:   SCHWINN GRIPPER SLIK WANTED (S-7) 20 inch posted by: brad on 5/15/2001 at 5:17:07 AM
schwinn gripper slik wanted (S-7{20 inch})
tube not wanted tire wanted send me pic at LEEWEE911oo@aol.com
Thanks brad

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WANTED:    posted by: Thomas M. Edfors on 5/11/2001 at 2:43:12 PM
Still (and always) seeking any and all high wheel bikes in any condition. Have a particular need for a 52" Columbia Expert in original and complete condition. Also seeking a good original boneshaker. Safety bikes also considered. Try me first before putting it out for auction. Thank you. Tom

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          RE:WANTED:    posted by Greg on 6/14/2001 at 8:26:49 PM
There is a 52" Columbia Expert on Ebay and another on the other discussion site @ http://disc.server.com/Indices/121240.html I hate to get competition in bidding but they need good homes I imagine.

Greg




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AGE / VALUE:   w. e. crist - tricyclist racer - 1880's posted by: randy on 5/3/2001 at 4:15:14 PM
have an old tobacco card ( N29 series of World Champions ) published by Allen & Ginter - showing an image of W. E. Crist - Tricyclist (handsome man!)- 50 champions were in the set of cards - some being Crist, William Harradon, cyclist; Ralph Temple, champion trick rider and F. F. Ives 100 mile record winner - all dated 1888/1889. Who was Crist? He was in England for a race in 1888 with Stillman G. Whittaker "Whit" (info from Buck Peacock ). There was a W. E. Crist who graduated with Law degree in 1922 from Ohio Northern University. - he may be a relative of my ancestor, Lucinda Crist ( wife of Samuel Griggs ) who was born in 1851 in Vigo County, Indiana. The resemblance of Crist to her is uncanny. Lucinda was a daughter of George E. Crist and Lucinda Duckworth. Was W. E. Crist a son of one of George's brothers? - William H. Crist or Harvey Crist or Stephanis ( Stephan ) A. Crist or John Calvin Crist or Samuel Eldrich Crist ? thanks - you can also reach me at
randypace@earthlink.net or randy.pace@cityofhouston.com

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MISC:   Ames and Frost 1890's safety bike posted by: Kyle on 5/3/2001 at 12:36:39 PM
I also have a post in the restoration tip section: I just recectly found a bike while out hiking, and it seemed pretty old so I hiked it out to the car and brought it home. While doing a search I found a page, http://www.rydjor.com/1896imp.htm, picturing a bicycle very similiar to the one I found except for condition. The bike I have has the same badge as the one pictured in the link except this one is a Model 80. The bike I found is missing the chain and most of the wood from the wheels. The frame is rusty but the metal is sound. It seems to have everything else such as seat, pedals, crank, handle bars etc. I don't know anything about the value of this bike in it's current condition or if it were to be restored. I also don't know much about where to look for more information regarding this bike or other bikes of the same time period other than this great web site. Any info would be greatly appreciated, and please feel free to email me directly. Thank you...

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          RE:MISC:   Ames and Frost 1890's safety bike posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 8/30/2001 at 1:33:10 PM
How many people find a old bike, a bike this old while out hiking?




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AGE / VALUE:   Swap Meet June 24, Boston, MA posted by: Joe on 4/30/2001 at 6:44:57 PM
Bicycle Swap meet, June 24, 2001. Under the Bridge, Boston, MA. Interstate 93 North or South. Approximately 1 mile North of Downtown Boston, Exit 28 Sullivan Square around the rotary "Under the Bridge" Rain or shine.. This show is free to everyone and vendors.. If you have any questions please email me.

Thank you.

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AGE / VALUE:   Can you tell me anything re. this hiwheel? posted by: Max on 4/30/2001 at 2:50:53 PM
I've put up an image file at (its huge): http://www.inwindsor.com/hiwheel/hiwheel.jpg
Can anyone guestimate the age or make of this 50" bike?
Cheers and thanks,

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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Can you tell me anything re. this hiwheel? posted by Max on 5/1/2001 at 4:56:28 PM
It has what appears to be "26221" engraved on the right flat of the frame up near the handlebars.

thanks,

          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Can you tell me anything re. this hiwheel? posted by Max on 5/1/2001 at 4:57:34 PM
And it appears to be a 49" wheel.

thanks again,

          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Can you tell me anything re. this hiwheel? posted by jj on 5/2/2001 at 5:27:13 AM
Greg Barron might know. He checks in here every once in a while.

          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Can you tell me anything re. this hiwheel? posted by Greg on 5/3/2001 at 4:27:10 PM
Max,
For what it is worth, my bet is an early Columbia. 1884? I looked at one of the old catalog reprints I have and the details matched up pretty well from what I saw. Rear step, rear fork, hub, radial spoking, straight bars, front bearings, brake mount. All these things looked about right from the pics you took but I know the Singer and the W.W.Stall had a similar model at about the same time. Is it a hollow rim or cresent, looks like a cresent but can't tell for sure.
I don't think it is a Rudge, Eagle, St. Nicholas or Victor but can't tell for sure without seeing the bike. I do know that seat ain't right! Someone drilled the spine and bolted that sucker down. Ack! I'd hope the thing didn't rust out inside do to the big hole. It is looking pretty rough and will need a whole lotta work to bring it back. From the chunks missing on the rim it looks like the rust is taking it's toll. Still, it could be a great project bike. Are there any readable stampings anywhere on the frame? They would help in any indentification. Hope this helped and to tell you the truth, value is a very subjective thing. I saw two rideable Columbia originals in davis last year for $2500 each, rusty, couple broken spokes, dead seats and rubber but strong cores and still rideable. Yours could be $300 to $1000 maybe but I can't really even tell you. The Wheelmen would be the best source for pricing as they deal with originals more often. Let me know what you find.
Greg Barron

          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Can you tell me anything re. this hiwheel? posted by greg on 5/3/2001 at 4:38:15 PM
I meant U rim, not cresent! oops. And on second thought, early Columbia Standard or American?

          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Can you tell me anything re. this hiwheel? posted by Max on 5/10/2001 at 9:43:56 PM
If anyone is interested, I've just listed the bike on Ebay.

cheers,

          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Can you tell me anything re. this hiwheel? posted by greg on 5/16/2001 at 11:41:58 AM
Max, I looked for the bike on ebay but couldn't find it, I also tried emailing you direct but it came back undeliverable. Contact me, I am interested in finding out more!

          RE:AGE / VALUE:   Can you tell me anything re. this hiwheel? posted by Max on 5/17/2001 at 7:20:12 PM
Hello Greg,

search for "high wheel bicycle" on Ebay... auction ends in about an hour and a half.

cheers,

          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Can you tell me anything re. this hiwheel? posted by Teun on 5/18/2001 at 1:33:37 AM
Your bike is a 1885 / 1887 Columbia Expert. The hammock saddle is probably either an acesoire that was added or a poorly repaired/restored one. The step may not be original either, look into the standard literature for the original version. The handlebar was orginally a cowhorn, which was a luxury version as opposed to the standard 'straight' bar - it is original though!!! Try to restore it in that way. Conclusion: a great bike, bought as a tough bike with a lot of extras from factory.
CONGRATULATIONS!!

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