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MISC:1890s safety posted by: Lyle Paull on 9/12/2009 at 3:08:36 PM
Any ideas as to the manufacturer.
The only wording on frame is on the rear shock
"hiegenic cushion frame patent Nov 10 1896" and
frame no on left side at top of seat tube 615872
Inch pitch chain drive , 3 layers of spring steel
behind B.B. There are no rivet hole's were a head
badge would have been. The cranks are 2 piece slash
cut at the center where they meet , insert pin through
hole privded in frame to locate hollow bottom backet wich
stops it turning wile the cranks are skrewed in from each side (left and right hand threads) , when tight remove pin.I have not seen this type of crank anywhere on the web. Forks have 3 separate plates at the crown.Only remnance of black paint left. It looks simular to Tribune or Crescent etc.
Thanks Lyle Brisbane Australia

          RE:MISC:1890s safety posted by Keith Body on 9/13/2009 at 11:40:06 AM
Hi Lyle, sounds an interesting bike. Can you put some pictures up, on here or a link. Any information, wheel sizes etc. would help. At that time there were many engineering works and blacksmiths buying components and making bikes. By 1897 most large makers were looking at shaft drive, but soon the roller chain and costs stopped that.
With a sprung frame are you saying it had solid tyres?

          RE:MISC:1890s safety posted by Keith Body on 9/14/2009 at 3:20:58 PM
Hi Lyle, The Hygienic Wheel Co. Some info out there, licensed their design to many makers. Sprung frame, steel springs in the top of the seat stays. "Wheel" refers to whole bicycle at that time. Some pdf's here http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1897/VOL_28_NO_19/SL2819013.pdf
change the 13 to 14 etc. 1897 Chicago show details, some similar chainwheel devices described.
Tyres would have been pneumatic, I think.

          RE:MISC:1890s safety posted by Lyle on 9/15/2009 at 3:13:50 AM
Thanks for the newspaper info Keith , most interesting
Having trouble uploading photo's but I'll keep trying
The bike is a runner with 1930s 28inch metal wheels
with coaster brake.I purchased n.o.s diamond chain of ebay

          RE:MISC:1890s safety posted by Dave brown on 9/18/2009 at 9:14:24 AM
Hi Lyle I am pretty sure the bicycle you have is a Massey Harris made in Toronto Canada massey made bike from 1896 till 1998 when the bicycle part was turned into CCM with about 5 other makers.Massey Harris and CCM imported bikes to Australia at that time. I have a couple of Massey Harris bike with the type off Crank you mention. You put pin in the hole under crank and then screw both cranks in till it tightens up am I right? I think the bike is a CCM made after 1899 as before that I do not think Massey Harris made a Sprung rear frame.The head badge might have said Massey Harris or Massey Silver ribbon

          RE:MISC:1890s safety posted by Keith Body on 9/20/2009 at 2:10:05 PM
Hi Lyle, http://www.archive.org/details/bicycleaccrepair00canauoft
Downloadable pdf. CCM catalogue 1918, page 29 shows components for hygienic spring rear suspension.

          RE:RE:MISC:1890s safety posted by Lyle on 9/21/2009 at 2:20:48 AM
Yes Dave my cranks sound the same as you decribed
I think you are pretty right , if it was a ribbon head badge (wich I have just seen a pic of another 1899 Massey Harris from Melbourne Aust)there would be 2 mounting holes , 1 on bottom left and 1 on top right of head tube?
Wich I have discovered mine has (top right hole was cover by headlamp bracket)and the botton left hole has the remnance of a half bashed of rivet!

          RE:RE:MISC:1890s safety posted by Lyle on 9/21/2009 at 2:49:19 AM
Excellent catalogue Keith , hours of toilet reading!
A lot of parts identical to mine.
Thanks Lyle

          RE:MISC:1890s safety posted by Lyle on 9/25/2009 at 7:05:40 PM
Here is a pic of bike
C:\Documents and Settings\Lyle\My Documents\My Pictures\C.C.M Massey Harris\1890s safety 002.jpg

          RE:MISC:1890s safety posted by Lyle on 9/25/2009 at 7:10:33 PM
Another pic

          RE:RE:MISC:1890s safety posted by Lyle on 9/25/2009 at 7:16:39 PM
Try this one!
C:\Documents and Settings\Lyle\My Documents\My Pictures\C.C.M Massey Harris\1890s safety 004.jpg

          RE:RE:RE:MISC:1890s safety posted by jj on 9/26/2009 at 4:36:29 AM
The picture has to already be posted somewhere on the web (ex: snapfish, flickr, etc). THen just post the link to the photo.

          MISC:1890s safety posted by Lyle on 9/26/2009 at 4:45:11 PM
Sorry about that. Hopefully sorted now.
Below is a link to the album of photos of CCM Massey Harris on Snapfish.


          RE:MISC:1890s safety posted by Alex Schley on 9/27/2009 at 1:20:23 PM

I just googled a bid and found this page.
This is amazing. I am collecting cranks of the 1980s and 1990s. In looking at the pictures it is obvious that some "inventions" are indeed very old. This is so much fun to read. Thanks for the links.
Sorry for asking this but could there be any chance to buy one of the cranks you are talking about (as Dave Brown tells that he has some frames with cranks)?
Thanks very much,



          RE:RE:MISC:1890s safety posted by Lyle on 10/1/2009 at 1:44:28 AM
Hi there Alex , I only have 1 set of cranks which are the one's in the bike.
Thanks Lyle

          RE:MISC:1890s safety posted by Lyle on 10/2/2009 at 3:08:46 AM

          RE:MISC:1890s safety posted by Alex on 10/2/2009 at 9:41:37 AM
Hi Lyle,

thanks for the picture. I understand that you have to keep it as the one on the bike is your only one. Nice bike by the way.
Is there a search section on this page?
(I had hoped to get a offer from Dave Brown)

Thanks again,



          RE:MISC:1890s safety posted by David brown on 10/4/2009 at 4:55:05 PM
Hi Alex I do not have a spare crank for the massey bike. But am always looking for massey harris bikes.I have been on a road trip so would have got back to you sooner but just looked up old roads.

          RE:MISC:1890s safety posted by Alex Schley on 10/6/2009 at 3:52:06 PM
Hi Dave,

thanks very much. It would be great if you just think of me when you are running into a vintage two-piece crank or a Massey Harris.
der.heraklit @ gmx.de (loose the two blanks)




          RE:MISC:1890s safety posted by David brown on 10/10/2009 at 2:51:29 PM
Hello Lyle By some chance would that bike be available.I might be interested . Get back to me at bikehike@rogers.com
Enjoy your Day Dave

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AGE / VALUE:type and age posted by: Lee Powers on 8/21/2009 at 5:16:26 PM
I have a bike with the name Aurelia under that the olympic rings and under that Italy. Has front wheel "Fabbricato in Italy" with the name Aurelia. Front rim is a little over 20 inches with pedals through the middle of the wheel. Back wheel is about ten inches hight. One braake on handle that stops the bak wheel. Any idea of age and value?

          RE:AGE / VALUE:type and age posted by DT on 8/24/2009 at 8:45:43 PM
60's and maybe $100 if it is nice

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AGE / VALUE:1930's Canadian Hercules info on company wanted posted by: Alex on 8/14/2009 at 10:53:09 PM
I have a bicycle, made in Canada, headbadge says Hercules, made in Canada, and there's a beaver on it. I think it is 1930's era, possibly 40's. (standard women's single speed of the era, much like a ccm). I know this is the antique section, just figured someone may know the history of Canadian makers around that time. It's not a CCM. I can't find any info on a Hercules Canada company and am interested to know more about them.

          RE:AGE / VALUE:1930's Canadian Hercules info on company wanted posted by Keith Body on 9/20/2009 at 12:40:28 PM
Hi Alex, CCM are not my area, but I believe they used Hercules as a trade name, but could be only for components, here is a downloadable pdf of the 1918 CCM parts trade catalogue. http://www.archive.org/details/bicycleaccrepair00canauoft

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MISC:model schwinn? posted by: kristin on 8/6/2009 at 6:57:19 PM
hey can anyone tell me what 1948 schwinn models had a horn tank, front spring & rear fender book rack? the bike was blue with red & white pinstriping. i can find a lot that look similar, but without the spring. thanks for any info!

          RE:MISC:model schwinn? posted by ken on 8/17/2009 at 2:19:28 PM
Panther if the fenders are chrome, Starlet if not.

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AGE / VALUE:Bicycle Swap meet Larz Anderson posted by: Joe Rapoza on 8/2/2009 at 5:11:45 PM
Greetings everyone,

Joe Rapoza here from the Larz Anderson Musuem bicycle show and swap meet.

Up for bids is one swap meet space at the Larz Anderson Bicycle Swap meet and Show.

This will be a spectular show something for the whole family.

You are bidding on choice of any vending space in the field that is designated bicycle vending space. Preimum spaces are located directly on the side of the MC podem and to the entrance of the show concoure

We will be having a show and swap meet on August 9, 2009 8:00 am to 3:00 pm vendors spaces are 25.00. for a 10 x 10 space.

We will be haveing a dedication ceremony for the great Jack Kowal "Mr. Columbia". and Sheldon Brown

This year we will be having a separate section dedicated to frame builders, all frame builders will be admitted to the show free of charge.

We expect that at least 1000 people will attend this years

Sponsorship spaces are available.

Please RSVP email me to let me know if you are planning to attend.

Please provide email address and phone number.

I thank you very much and look forward to hearing from you.

Joe Rapoza



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WANTED:harley bicycle posted by: rickyechevarria on 7/31/2009 at 4:15:39 PM
hello; i,m looking for complete vintage harley davidson bicycle or parts,thank you.


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AGE / VALUE:Bicycle History in the Making posted by: mrbob on 7/14/2009 at 10:55:38 PM
We have just shipped our first bike. Everyone seems to forget the History repeats Itself and that's what just happened. Stevens is the #1 Rudge Expert in the USA and most likely in the world. He gave our bikes a good write up. thanks...
My knowledge of Customizing Harley Davidson Motorcycles and my Jewelry business gave me an edge. Plus my honesty of keeping the prices low. Thanks


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AGE / VALUE:Royal Nord Cammander posted by: Bill,S on 7/14/2009 at 7:41:30 AM
How old is the bike? Is the the bike worth anything?

          RE:AGE / VALUE:Royal Nord Cammander posted by larry on 7/20/2009 at 9:41:09 PM
i have a royal nord commandor, marque deposee, bicycle. its about 50 or 60 years old, its in great shape. what is somthing like this worth?

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AGE / VALUE:bike chain posted by: bob on 7/9/2009 at 9:44:33 AM
I just got a bike given to me by my uncle. I believe he got it back in the 40's. Other then being old it ride's pretty good except the chain just broke. I believe the chain is discribed as a skip chain, because every other tooth is missing. Can someone help fing one link and the clip that would fit that

          RE:AGE / VALUE:bike chain posted by Keith Body on 7/18/2009 at 2:12:57 PM
Hi Bob, Unless you have a track racing special, it is likely to have a 1/2" x 1/8" standard chain. You can measure the links. It is quite common for US makers to stamp the chaiwheel with alternate teeth missing. This does not mean you have an "inch pitch" chain.
Can you give us a picture?

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AGE / VALUE:pierce-arrow, tour de france, huret derailleur posted by: VT on 6/28/2009 at 2:59:01 PM
i saved a completely trashed frame from the disposal a few days ago. pierce arrow badge, decals say 10-speed, tour de france, sticker near the headtube says "made in france." does anyone know when this bicycle was made and if the tubing is all weird sizes? i'd love to strip this down, give it fresh paint, and build it up but not if it means hunting down french threaded brackets and other things i know nothing about. there are some serial numbers on the dropout area: 67816 and 511160 A2. can anyone shed any light or offer an opinion on this? more photos here: http://picasaweb.google.com/vaughn.tan/PierceArrow?authkey=Gv1sRgCLf71qaN_4L-jQE&feat=directlink

          RE:AGE / VALUE:pierce-arrow, tour de france, huret derailleur posted by dean on 3/3/2011 at 9:04:19 PM

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AGE / VALUE:Serial # posted by: Bill on 6/15/2009 at 5:54:27 PM
Looking to see if anyone can help me find out what kind of frame I own. I moved to Vermont from the Trexlertown,PA area where I use to race the Velodrome. The frame I had was painted one solid color. The Serial # on the Bb is F8184. I purchased it used in 1985. It is a track frame with Campy dropouts and three holes in the headtube for a nameplate. No brake hole for rear but has one in the front in the straight crowned fork that has Campy dropouts also. Many years ago someonw told me that it may be a Raleigh but looking on the internet nothing shows anything close to this S#.
Any ideas or places to contact would be great.
Thank you!

          RE:AGE / VALUE:Serial # posted by Keith Body on 6/18/2009 at 1:06:50 PM
Hi Bill, you have placed your request in the "pre 1900" area, perhaps post again in vintage lightweights. Although pictures might help, there were thousands of local frame builders, often using identical materials. You could buy a single set of componenta and tubing and braze one yourself. Some small buiders used the year for 2 of the numbers.

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MISC:Larz Anderson Bicycle Swap Meet & Show 2009 posted by: Peter Naiman on 6/13/2009 at 3:53:01 PM
It's official. The 2009 Larz Anderson Bicycle Show & Swap Meet is scheduled for Sunday, August 9th at the Larz Anderson Museum of Transportation @ 15 Newton Street., Brookline, MA. As of last year the Museum of Transportation has agreed to let us open a full swap meet as well as a concourse for the show bikes, so we look forward to having a fun event this year.

Sign up time for the swap meet will begin at 8:00AM, and the bicycle concourse sign up time at 9:00AM. Show time will be from 10:00AM-2:00PM. As in the past this is an all encompassing event with cycles ranging from early antique period, early to modern lightweight, balloon tire and more. If it's anu intersting cycle no matter what period, you're invited to bring it along to show.

The swap meet spaces are the same as always, $25.00 for a 10X10 foot space, with an extra charge of $10 for table rental if you need one. Each space includes two passes to the show. There will be no charge to enter the bicycle concourse other than the entry charge to attend the show.

We are dedicating this years show to two very special people who past away within recent times, Sheldon Brown & Jack Kroll. Most CR member know of Sheldon Brown, Jack Kroll was a very good friend of the Larz Anderson Show. He was the sole proprietor and restorer of the Columbia Bicycle Museum in Westfield, MA. We usually give out best of show trophies as a Chairmans Award. From this year forward two Chairmans awards will be given out in memory of both Sheldon Brown & Jack Kroll.

For the swap meet we encourage Pre-Registration. Dale Brown of the CR List will be updating the website that he created for our show with an up to date registration sheet within a few days. We will publish the websites URL within a few days. A special thank you to Dale Brown for all of his help !!

We are looking for a few volunteers to help out with show registration, and also to do a few interesting lectures. If interested please contact me by email @ hetchinspete1@yahoo.com.

Thank you,
Peter Naiman
Glendale, WI USA


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WANTED:   Parts for a 1936 CCM Flyte posted by: Doug on 6/8/2009 at 8:05:08 PM
Can anybody supply with information and/or parts for a 1936 CCM Flyte? I guess a seat will be difficult to find! Tires, rear reflector and grips would be nice.

          RE:WANTED:   Parts for a 1936 CCM Flyte posted by David brown on 6/9/2009 at 3:50:50 PM
Hi Doug I have a picture of the 1936 Flyte also a page from 1937 Catalog which shows the 37 Flyte which looks the same and has all the parts that are correct for that bike.Does your bike have Endrick rims if so I think tires will be hard to find. Are you in Canada?
Regards Dave

          RE:WANTED:   Parts for a 1936 CCM Flyte posted by Gavin on 1/27/2011 at 4:08:31 PM
I am restoring a 1937 Flyte. Contact me at gavinnz at xtra.co.nz and I might be able to help with contacts for parts, pictures and information. Regards Gavin New Zealand

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AGE / VALUE:'1900 Pierce Arrow Bicycle posted by: Derby on 6/1/2009 at 6:53:04 PM
Any idea as to how much a '1900 Pierce Arrow Bicycle is worth in unrestored, but complete condition?

          RE:AGE / VALUE:'1900 Pierce Arrow Bicycle posted by jj on 6/2/2009 at 3:40:13 AM
There are a couple Pierces listed in the Price Guide section at the top of this page.

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WANTED:Victrix bicycle parts made in Denmark 1920,s posted by: David brown on 5/16/2009 at 11:28:45 AM
Anyone out there in this big wide world have any victrix bicycle parts they will part with? Bike was made in Copenhagen Denmark from late teens to about 1930 I think. I need seat post complete crank set up and head stock bearing and cups. Any help would be most apprecitated.I brought what I have back to Canada 2 years ago and would like to get it back on the road.


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