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MISC:   India made "retrobike" posted by: Bruce on 10/15/2005 at 11:20:30 AM
I noticed that a Raleigh wannabe that was made in India didn't get a bid. I think the auction ended about 5 or 6 days ago. What is the story on these India bikes? This one was a single speed copy of a DL-1. Are they junk or what? Thanks for any info

          RE:MISC: India made posted by sam on 10/15/2005 at 1:00:39 PM
Most India bikes lack the quality of a good bicycle---there built for the masses,built quickly,built to sell cheaply.

          RE:RE:MISC: India made posted by Mark Stonich on 10/15/2005 at 4:08:33 PM
I recently gave one away that had not been even assembled, much less ridden. As I warned the recipient, "Calling it a piece of crap would be an insult to feces".

          RE:RE:RE:MISC: India made posted by Chris on 10/15/2005 at 5:11:44 PM
I'd like to show up at the factory in India and smack my hands together and ask them: "What is up?" or, WHASSUPP!

This is very bothersome. They have everything they need to do some serrious magic and everybody complains about shoddy quality instead. Poor packing too.
The Indian made bikes fizzled, the powder got wet so to speak. So close. Suck a tradgedy. Good for some parts.

          RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: India made posted by Chris on 10/15/2005 at 5:16:05 PM
The 26 inch frame Raleigh bikes that work with the 28 inch wheels. They have the capacitry to make these if you order 500 whole bikes.
Not with that quality that we see, not with the way the cycles are packed into the shipping container either.
Like I said, I wish I could be there , in charge and be hands on. I'd fix it.

          RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: India made posted by Chris on 10/15/2005 at 5:33:27 PM
Stillborn. The made in India Raleigh, Rudge, Humber type bicycles are stillborn.
A worldwide resurgence and resurection of the bicycles the built empires, and made many men fortunes almost happened. (How Did the Dana Corporaton get it's start?) Buisnessmen stood waiting with checks in hand.
Catalogs drawn up, plans made. We busted out tails to kick start this! We all went home very brokenhearted. And for the Indian government, this was an incredibally stupid blunder. They never, ever would have let this happened if they knew their history. The goose was able to lay golden eggs again and they just let it die from not enough food and water.
Attention was shifted to Italy. A Legnano roadster bike deal also died before birth. Another tremendous letdown. the Italians were to only ones capable of demonstration the prowess and the quality that was expected.
Getting the Italians to return a phone call also was a challenge.
It was worth the try. It was very exciting.


          RE:MISC:   India made posted by Ed on 10/16/2005 at 3:55:49 AM
The Americans make first class roadsters! Not what I would call traditional but very well crafted. Boston MA is home to A.N.T Bicycles. Yes they do cost much more than most bicycles but I think hand crafted must be worth more. Look at the Roadster bicycles. Ed

          RE:MISC:   India made posted by Matthew on 10/16/2005 at 8:16:58 AM
If you want an English Roadster without the hassle of eBay and without the disappointment of an Indian copy, buy a Pashley. As English as fog and rain in June. Available brand new and classic in design and build. (Did I mention they are English?) Search for 'Pashley' and find their own marvellous website, be amazed at what they make.

The Indian bikes are made with British machinery shipped over there in the 1950's and not updated. No wonder the quality isn't so brilliant and no wonder there are bike repairers on every street in India. The (Royal) Indian Enfield motorcycle was just as dire until international funds were put into the works to update and improve production, now they are well worth the Rupees.

By the way did you know that Raleigh turned Andrew Richies away when he tried to get them to make his design of bicycle? He went away and didn't sulk, he set up Brompton Bicycles, whoops! I think Raleigh should have listened?

Matthew - enjoying Sunday.

          RE:RE:MISC: India made posted by James on 10/16/2005 at 8:17:00 AM
I have an indian bicycle, so defective I couldn't put it together. I fail to believe that all indian bikes are this bad, millions of people, the majority of people on this planet, all over africa, south asia, the middle east, china etc. use indian or chinese bikes, there must be some manufacturers who are capable of building a bicycle that can at least be assembled. My theory is, these "export companies" are shams, some lowly business man buys a stock of defective bikes and sells them to some unsuspecting western schmuck, either that or the mechanics who put these things together in bike shops are very skilled and will assemble functioning 20 bikes out of a shipment 40, what with no quality control.

In any case forget indian bikes.
visit my blog instead the first post is a list of bicycles worth staring at, including Mike Flanigan's ANT and Sascha White's Vanilla bicycles, he also makes city bikes
I got to ride this one, a loop frame light roadster w/moustache bars, Schmidt hub, turns out he and his wife are my neighbors and were more than happy to let me give it a spin.
the list also contains a link to the Raleigh denmark site if anyone hasn't seen it where you can find our Raleigh Sports and Roadsters living happily in a more civilised part of the world where people actually use bicycles, even attracted well made lugged bicycles.

          add the photo of first indian bike with its rider posted by namo narayan meena on 10/26/2005 at 11:17:14 AM
give the brief summary about the oldest bikes of india and name the person first who had ride bike in india.

          add the photo of first indian bike with its rider posted by namo narayan meena on 10/26/2005 at 11:17:21 AM
give the brief summary about the oldest bikes of india and name the person first who had ride bike in india.

          RE:MISC: India made posted by Carl Lutes on 7/4/2006 at 6:20:20 PM
Funny that I stumbled on this. I found a bike in a Ralph Lauren display here in Louisville, KY that had a badge that said and made in India. I've been trying to find out who that was and anything about them. Glad I got here before I took it serious. It does LOOK like an old Raleigh or something similar though.


          RE:MISC:   India made posted by Asif on 3/6/2008 at 7:45:57 AM
i am in need of an old humber,raleigh or phillips bicicycle. if anybody having it want to sell it plz contact by e mail

          RE:MISC: India made posted by Avi Nash on 4/2/2008 at 4:14:38 AM
I don't agree, in part with the general observations here that Indian bikes are low quality.

1. You get what you pay for. Indian bicycles will outlast any Chinese/Taiwanese bikes at the same price. Don't expect to pay about $100 for an Indian bike today, and expect it to perform or even look like a $500 bike from the 60's and 70's. The reason is that in India bikes are made to be used, not to be played with, like here in US. Bikes are the sole means of transport for the lower middle class and the poor. Many can't even afford a new cheap bike. Today in India, even high school kids from the middle classes consider it below their dignity to ride a bike. They demand a scooter or motorcycle. So, bikes are not made for pleasure but to serve a need.
2. Now, My father bought a Hercules 24" bike in 1964, while waiting for a couple of years to get a Vespa scooter, alloted to him. Yes, they were in short supply in the early 60's. I almost never rode that bike, wasn't allowed to, so can't tell much. I did ride many rental bikes, rented by the hour from bike repair shops that kept a few bikes to rent by the hour. The concept is like the short term car renting getting popular nowadays in big cities. Those were bikes that were abused and often sported parts from many different brands and bikes. Chopshop bikes. Next, he bought me my first Indian bike in 1967 when I was in 7th grade. It was a 22" Raleigh and it rode very nice. I had tried another brand, Hercules, which was made for durability and was heavier to ride. At that time, milkmen who delivered milk on bikes carrying 1 or 2 5 gal. metal containers over the rear wheel used Hercules. Refined gents like me used Raleigh and cheap folks used Hero or Atlas, etc. I used that bike till I acquired a motorcycle in 1978. It was my only means of commuting to school, libraries and finally to work, in 40F to 120F weather, rain, desert like dust, etc. I went thru several sets of tires and tubes. I always rode with tires inflated to max, giving a hard ride but great resistance to punctures from debris. I even had a head on collision with an Ambassador car, coming on the wrong side of the road - Indian traffic does not always follow rules - while coming down a bridge (Nehru Bridge in Ahmedabad to be exact) and I flew on the hood of the car, was unhurt but the bike had a bent wheel and bent fork. I got it fixed and used for many more years. I always made sure my brakes worked, had good tires and tubes - changed every 2-3 years, and a new valve tube every few months. Many tubes in India went flat because the tiny rubber tube covering the inflation hole in the (Dunlop?) valve failed. I would buy a foot length of that tube and change it whenever I found the tube fraying at the seat. Buying a foot was cheaper than buying the inch or so long piece at a time. Those were the days when I had to count pennies. I don't remember ever breaking a spoke, riding almost always on paved roads, mostly flat, rolling urban territory.

In short, Indian bikes are not bad, they give you more than your moneys' worth. May be my opinion is based on outdated experience but still, just don't go about comparing a $100-200 bike to your $3000 cissy bikes. If you paid a $1000 to some American importer for that bike, tacking on hefty profits and inflated value of assembly time, that does not make that bike a $1K class bike, just as you would not compare a Hyundai or Kia - perfectly usable and dependable cars now - to a high end luxury car like Lexus or BMW.


          RE:MISC: India made posted by Jag Venugopal on 4/12/2008 at 3:58:32 PM
Try the "Hero" brand of bikes. They are made better than most others of Indian manufacture.

Also keep in mind that Indian bikes are made for Indian conditions. These include a bicycle repairman at every street corner. Thus, fit and finish are not a high priority when there's a fella who can beat it into shape with a hammer at every street corner. Once you've got it all working just right, and you've broken in the bike (a must), it will outlast your lifetime.

          Belknap priceposted by Ashley on 10/16/2008 at 11:37:10 AM
This has nothing to do with the above replies but I dont know how to make my own blog on here, if you can. But anyways, my dad got an OLD antique Belknap Bicycle what was made in 1938, by Schwinn. Anyways, he wants to know the price range. He wants to see if it is worth anything. I didnt get a good look at it to tell you what it looks like, but it seems in excellent condition. Other than the seat that has a little chunk tooken out. But other than that it looks like new...well not new. It only been ridden about 8 times since then. One of my dad's friends died and he was the original owner...Anyways, to get back on track. I really need a price range of this bike...please let me know ASAP. Thank you! :D

          RE:MISC:   India made posted by Stewart on 7/16/2009 at 7:29:25 AM
Please quote for the Raleigh female and male black bicycles, the heavy duty ones.


          RE:MISC:   India made posted by Siva on 2/1/2010 at 6:33:11 AM

I'm seeing some link is missing here, who said Indian made cycles are not so good ?

You must be kidding, really you are. These bikes made in India are taken for real ride not the way you guys do. (weekend or morning walk kind)

The half of one billion people on this part of the world lived with Bicycles till 1990s. I have a Humber made in India during 1949, to my surprise it is still as good as the new one.

I have other Raleigh, Phillips, Hercules and Hero cycles made in India and none of them are worst as mentioned here. People carry 100kg of goods on the rear carrier, 50liters of milk or 2-3 people on the same single pedaled cycled in here, what about your 1K bill cycle to do this hard work?

The people who make worst or no good cycle complain about made to last cycles in India. I can only say it is Attitude

          BSA made in Indiaposted by Farouq Omaro on 5/18/2010 at 6:39:17 AM
Too bad I can't any place where they sell the BSA in North Borneo (Sabah). I know they still make them in India


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