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AGE / VALUE:   NOT SURE WHAT IT IS posted by: Elvin Thacker on 4/15/2006 at 9:14:55 PM
I have an old blue bike that has DUNELT BIRMINGHAM 40 ON TAGS ON THE FRONT AND THEN REAR FENDER OF BIKE. HOW DO I FIND THE SERIAL OR MODEL NUMBER. IT IS ALL ORIGINAL BUT LEFT OUT IN WEATHER A LONG TIME SO PAINT JOB IS RUINED BUT MECHANICS SEEM EXCELLENET EXCEPT FOR TIRES. I TRIED WAL MART TO GET 26 X 1 3/8 EA 3 RIM TIRES BUT ALL THEY HAD WERE 27 X 1 3/8. WILL TRY SEARS OR A BIKE SHOP IN OR NEAR LEXINGTON, KENTUCKY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY IDEAS WOULD APPRECIATE A RESPONS.
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   NOT SURE WHAT IT ISposted by Kerry on 2/6/2007 at 11:56:40 PM
It seems there are some knowledgeable people here on the subject of Phillips cycles. I have a 1965 26" Phillips cycle with leading link front suspension. Is there anyone out there who knows anything about this bike? Model? etc...
I would be thrilled to know more (also need to find a replacement front rim), by the way it is single speed hub (by Perry I think) with a Phillips front hub, not sure if this is right, but it is as I found it. Front suspension looks very genuine. Many thanks for any help.
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   NOT SURE WHAT IT ISposted by Matthew on 4/15/2006 at 9:30:10 PM
Elvin,

You've got it right in the first line. Its a Dunelt, part of the Raleigh family. Has it got a Sturmey Archer Three speed rear hub? If it has you can date it from that, clean the hub centre and look for letters such as AG or AW then figures like 5 51. The letters denote the hub type and the figures denote the age of the hub (ie May 1951), this is a good guide for the age of the bicycle itself. Good luck on the tyre hunt. They are available through this website I believe.

Matthew - a little help is worth a deal of pity.
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          RE:AGE / VALUE: NOT SURE WHAT IT ISposted by WArren on 4/15/2006 at 11:36:29 PM
Except that your Dunelt is pre Raleigh and in my opinion is much better quality than the later Dunelts. I've got two early 50's Dunelt Sports models.
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   NOT SURE WHAT IT ISposted by Jeff R on 4/16/2006 at 12:11:38 AM
The Birmingham Dunelt was part of the Phillips family of bicycles untill 1960 when Raleigh absorbed them all. Dunelt head badges then changed to read Nottingham. Check where the rear fender stays attach to the frame. If they are attached above the rear axel it's a Phillips built bike. If they are attached behind the rear axel it's a Raleigh built bike. Most of the Phillips bikes have the serial number on the left rear dropout but I have also seen them on the left side of the head tube. The steering head bearings and threaded nuts and bottom bracket threads are different and not interchangable with Raleigh. Phillips used 24 tpi Raleigh used 26 tpi. I have an Indian Scout, Dunelt, Norman, and Hercules that are Phillips made bikes. The Norman is an Invader with 531 Reynolds tubing and a Sturmey Archer FM medium ratio 4 speed hub. It's similar to a Raleigh Clubman which I also have. I may have an extra pair of Dunelt pedals with the Dunelt script molded into the rubber blocks. If you are interested let me know.
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   NOT SURE WHAT IT ISposted by Jeff on 4/16/2006 at 3:11:21 PM
My local Walmart carries EA3 26x1/38 tires. They cost about$10.00. They have reflective sidewalls and are not exactly OEM but are a good value for those of us who need to count every penny. I have purchased and used several. These don't fit anything Walmart has sold in many years if ever but I don't think the Walmart purchasers have a clue. They probably got a good deal! They also have tubes.
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          RE:AGE / VALUE: NOT SURE WHAT IT ISposted by Neal on 4/17/2006 at 3:19:14 AM
My local K-Mart had a pair of EA3 tires that last time I was in there--blackwall, made in China (Cheng Shin, maybe?). I didn't see the price, but given that no other tire was more than $6.95, I figured they were in that neighborhood. I'll likely pick up a pair for a beater bike fairly soon.

Neal
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   NOT SURE WHAT IT ISposted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 4/17/2006 at 9:37:07 AM
The Wal*Marts up here in NJ/PA area have in the past carried 26 x 1 3/8 tyres by Duro. About ten bucks. The "Big" K-Mart off and on carry the Chen Shins (IMHO a nicer tyre than the Duro).

And of course, one LBS carries the appropriate tire as well... but a bit rich for my blood at $18 a piece.

So, hunt around... and as mentioned you can get them here at Oldroads as well.

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   NOT SURE WHAT IT ISposted by P.C. Kohler on 4/17/2006 at 8:52:02 PM
"The Birmingham Dunelt was part of the Phillips family of bicycles untill 1960 when Raleigh absorbed them all. Dunelt head badges then changed to read Nottingham."

Well not quite. Remember Raleigh bought nothing in 1960. It was Tube Investments (owners of BCC which owned Phillips, Dunelt and all that other Birmingham/Coventry made stuff) that bought out Raleigh!

All TI did was to sensibly take advantage of Raleigh's underutilised Nottingham plant capacity and consolidate all of its cycle manufacturing under one roof. And they let Raleigh management run the show. But again Raleigh was the one bought out by strangers in all this, not Phillips or Dunelt or anyone else.

P.C. Kohler
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   NOT SURE WHAT IT ISposted by kc on 3/26/2009 at 8:14:00 AM
As far as purchasing bike tires, just take it to a bicycle shop and they can fit it. I also have a Dunelt bike, and had to get new tires. The importance of having the tires done at a bike shop is that there are 3 versions of the 26 x 1 3/8 tire measurements (english, american, and something else). We went through 2 of them before we found the right ones for my bike. Hope this helps

I have a single speed cruiser from Dunelt. Can any one give me an estimate of its worth, if is was built prior to or after the Raliegh/Phillips buy out? Thanks.
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   NOT SURE WHAT IT ISposted by Roy McDonald on 7/2/2009 at 11:00:06 AM
My Dunelt is a men's model built in 1959. Sturmey-Archer three-speed. It is in working order, but needs an overhaul. I would like to sell it, and would appreciate suggestions on how to do this.
Roy McDonald, Halifax, Nova Scotia
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   NOT SURE WHAT IT ISposted by Roy McDonald on 7/2/2009 at 11:01:40 AM
My Dunelt is a men's model built in 1959. Sturmey-Archer three-speed. It is in working order, but needs an overhaul. I would like to sell it, and would appreciate suggestions on how to do this.
Roy McDonald, Halifax, Nova Scotia
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          RE:AGE / VALUE: NOT SURE WHAT IT ISposted by Mike Storck on 7/15/2009 at 7:26:16 AM
I had a Dunelt until some time in the middle of the night when it was stolen. It was set up as a fixed gear.
My father bought it second-hand around 1970. Before I rebuilt it, it was a ten speed with drops, cottered cranks, ideale saddle and simplex derailleurs. The head badge said: "DUNELT Cycle Co. Ltd. England."
The fender eyelets are above the rear axle, if that helps.
Does anyone know anything about this frame, and have any idea of its value?
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   NOT SURE WHAT IT ISposted by dave seyfert on 8/29/2009 at 2:18:27 PM
I also have a Dunelt "Racer" 10 speed with the head badge "Dunelt Cycle Co. Ltd. England". Any idea what years these were produced?
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   NOT SURE WHAT IT ISposted by Noah on 9/7/2009 at 3:03:14 PM
I have a blue women's bike by Dunelt with a Brooks seat. How can I tell when this particular bike was made? Thanks!
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   NOT SURE WHAT IT ISposted by Michael Rabinowitz on 10/11/2009 at 3:03:47 PM
I had posted back in 2004 about my purchased new in 1966 Dunelt 10 speed, (for a few reasons I believe this bike was made at least several years earlier) Reynolds 501 or maybe it reads 531 butted tubes, campy; derailleurs and shifters on the down tube, hubs, sprockets, pedals, a campy hand pump as well, Wienmann 999 center pull brakes, blue with white & red and Brooks saddle, white plastic fenders black mud flaps, engraved bars, Italian aluminum rims. Purchased at North Shore Cycle in Great Neck, New York. I heard from lots of people telling me everything I already know about Dunelt. Yes I have a 1966 3 speed men's Dunelt and know about Dunelt. What I really want is even just one person who has a photo of one or knows of one or has ever seen one. I believe it could be a re badged Raleigh but I am not enough of an expert to say. The head badge says England. No city mentioned. It was $175.00 back in '66 at a time when a Schwinn Paramount was $125.00 so it was top quality back then. Apparently no one else is either, or just have not ran into the right person. Have spoken to many bike experts. I already know that there is one other identical bike on the east coast (still new) but as far as I know I may have one of two in existence today. I do know some others were built but how many? Where built? For how many model years? An approximate value? It would seem that with all the enthusiasts out there someone knows something and yet I keep coming up empty handed. Unbelievable! Please! Somebody help. 818 Michael 709 Rabinowitz 1879.

Is it possible that I have the rarest 10 speed factory built bike in existence? If not tell me what is going on.
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          RE:AGE / VALUE:   NOT SURE WHAT IT ISposted by Holly on 8/20/2010 at 12:20:19 PM
I have a '66 Dunelt. Trying to figure out the make of the pedals. They look like Torringtons w/ Diamond patterned blocks. Stamped "Made in England" Wondering if they can be restored and where/if I can get the dust caps replaced. Also is there a place to get NOS decals/ repro decals?
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