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AGE / VALUE:   1937?? English Aberdale roadster posted by: Dave M. on 1/23/2010 at 6:19:42 PM
Some years ago I purchased three old English made bicycles: one was a Dawes track/fixed gear with leather racing style saddle, (not a Brooks), and the cycle had "huge" diameter beautiful hubs, wheels were laced with very thin stainless spokes, the frame was Reynolds 531 DB tubes, fully chromed steel fork, with a lantern bracket on the right side of the fork. The second cycle appeared to be a late 1940ish Raleigh 3 speed men's model in fair to poor condition. The third cycle is a 19.5 inch seattube men's Aberdale/London No.18 (on the headtube), side pull cable brakes, 3 spd SA rear hub (no date on the hub) with toptube mounted SA quadrant type shift lever, full enclosed chainguard, fully functioning Miller large front light with fork mounted generator, with the front hub mounted odometer, and the front wheel held in place by very large chrome wingnuts. The front and rear rims are chrome steel with center stripe painted black, in only fair condition. The seat tube has the name ABERDALE in script (faimt but visible) the color is black, with overall very good - excellent paint quality (possible a lacquer type paint). The rear fender has complete decal with the coat of arms type of logo, and the tail end of the rear fender is bright white with metal encapsulated rear reflector. The bike came with the original hand grips, and the original pedals - fairly worn but other wise in fair operating condition. The saddle was a badly beat up horsehair/leatherette model which I discarded, and replaced with a Brooks B72. I did some low level research on the Aberdale Co.Ltd. founded in 1919 by a Mr. Levy, later joined by his two sons, in the "mass production of cheap bicycles for the economy market". From what I can gather, their business grew to the point where in 1934 they built a "new modern plant at Bridport Road, Edmonton, North London. During the years of WWII, the firm built products for the War effort including "small generating engine sets for use on aeroplanes. After the War they responded to the demand for economical personal motorized transport, by introducing a gasoline engine powered "autocycle" or Moped. It appears at some time they also operated a factory in New South Wales for the purpose of bicycle manufacturing, and possible manufacture of a new improved engine model of their JDL Autocycle. It is also noted that TI or Tube Investments acquired the company in 1954, with the Aberdale Directorships being formally relinquished in Jan of 1959, as part of the new buildings of the British Cycle Corp., (sharing the same address as Hercules and James Cycles - brands. This is all of the info that I could obtain from a nice article in Out of the Blue by Author Mark Daniels, published in October 2007 in Iceni CAM Magazine. IN ALL OF THE YEARS THAT I HAVE BEEN COLLECTING AND "SYMPATHETICALLY" RESTORING OLDER BRITISH CYCLES, I HAVE NOT SEEN, NOR HAVE I SEEN REFERENCE TO ANOTHER ABERDALE CYCLE. Can anyone shed further light on this brand?? Thank you in advance for any additional info.

          RE:AGE / VALUE:   1937?? English Aberdale roadsterposted by Chris on 1/24/2010 at 6:09:57 PM
I don't have the time to read your post but I will pass along something I read in one of my bike history books and that is a lot of companies that "were launched in the froth of good times and bicycle booms have sunk without a trace"

that puts it accurately keep looking this will take time to uncover the myteries please post some pictures here we'd love to see this and i will read your post and take some proper time to mull it over and look in my material.

          RE:AGE / VALUE:   1937?? English Aberdale roadsterposted by sam on 1/25/2010 at 4:11:48 PM
Aberdale,that was EZ---first out on the list---sam


          RE:AGE / VALUE:   1937?? English Aberdale roadsterposted by sam on 1/25/2010 at 4:17:23 PM

          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1937?? English Aberdale roadsterposted by Dave M. on 1/26/2010 at 12:07:21 PM
Thank you Sam & Chris for your comments and info, and taking the time to respond. I will attempt to include detailed photos in a follow-up msg.

          RE:AGE / VALUE:   1937?? English Aberdale roadsterposted by Matthew on 1/28/2010 at 12:07:27 PM
Probably not No. 18 but rather N18 the London postal district where the cycle was built.

Matthew - PoCo

          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   1937?? English Aberdale roadsterposted by Chris on 2/3/2010 at 6:20:30 PM
I think that you did rather well for low level research!

Thanks for passing along the info other bikes just like yours are out there bearing the same name and from the same place and people.

          RE:AGE / VALUE:   1937?? English Aberdale roadsterposted by Bill Lorenz on 8/9/2010 at 1:12:38 PM
I have an Aberdale 3-speed that seems to have beem made late 50's. Guaranteed Aberdale Frame-Made in England decal on the down tube, The Aberdale Cycle Co. London N 18 on rear fender and The Aberdale on chain guard. It has Brampton-rear hub and shifter, Brampton-lugs,BB,and crank, Bramton-headset. British Hub-froht hub. Monitor "Sheerlive" sidepull brakes and levers. Dunlop 26x13/8 rims. APEX-Made in England pump. I would like to know what kind of saddle it had and has anyone ever seen a headbadge or was that also a decal?


          RE:AGE / VALUE:   1937?? English Aberdale roadsterposted by Sb on 10/11/2011 at 12:00:09 PM
I have seen a black Aberdale similar to the last posted. There is one for sale on Craigslist in WA state too though blue with a similar-year SA hub and trigger:
The headbadge was not a decal - stamped metal. Don't know if the pictured saddle is original - is that what is meant by 'horsehair/leatherette'?

          RE:AGE / VALUE:   1937?? English Aberdale roadsterposted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/12/2011 at 6:19:59 PM
Wow... is that cleaned up nicely. Hmmmm..... OK, horsehair / leatherette... I get it. What I've always known as a "Mattress Saddle"... and all mine have been Brooks. That one, I daresay could be original given it's condition.

What I find immensely intersting are the handlebars... and how they're integral with the stem... very much the same way a rod-brake set of bars is.

That... and the swaged fork. Unusual.... I would defintely be interested in the date-stamp on the hub. Hard to say if it's truly thirties vintage.

Very cool... You procuring it, or just perusing?


Larry "Boneman" Bone - Blue.... like the sky!

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