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ENGLISH ROADSTERS: PHILLIPS 1939 gent's Roadmaster posted by: Luciano
on 1/30/2010 at 12:28:02 PM
Hi!!! I am restoring a PHILLIPS bicycle 1939 gent's Roadmaster model. 22 frame. 28 x 1.1/2 Dunlop Westwood rims. 32 holes (front) and 40 holes (rear) Phillips Celtonia large barrel hubs. Bayliss Wiley 18T freewheel. Bayliss Wiley bottom bracket. Hockey stick chainguard. I do not possess the original chain and I would love to know what is the most common chain brand in this bicycle model. I would also like to know about the kind of prop stand that came with these bicycles. They were Phillips brand? I will appreciate your help. Thanks. Luciano. by: 126.96.36.199
Replies: RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: PHILLIPS 1939 gent's Roadmaster posted by Warren on 1/31/2010 at 8:13:29 AM
A Renolds Coventry or Elite chain would be a perfect match for this bike.
RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: PHILLIPS 1939 gent's Roadmaster posted by Bill on 2/1/2010 at 7:51:07 AM
I’ve worked on a number of Phillips Roadsters from the late 1930s and 1940s, own three of them (including single speeds with freewheels), have a pile of catalogues from the period, and can tell you the following things about them. Though Phillips did offer their own branded chains in the 1930s, I have always found them equipped with Renolds chains as the previous correspondent suggests. Phillips also offered their own kickstand (described as a “parking stand”) but not until the early 1950s as far as I can determine. The roadsters I have come across usually have aftermarket kickstands attached to the rear hub if they have them at all. The Bayliss-Wiley hubs were especially characteristic of the export models. My two South American roadsters (with decals on the steering tubes rather than badges) were assembled with Bayliss-Wiley hubs and I suspect that many of the Phillips roadsters shipped across the Atlantic were so outfitted. As long as their parts originated in Birmingham, they were good to go.
RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: PHILLIPS 1939 gent's Roadmaster posted by Keith Body on 2/1/2010 at 10:24:08 AM
Prop stand: In the UK these were early 1950's, cast alloy and and bolted between the chain stays behind the bottom bracket. Surely in Brown Bros 1950's catalogue. By the mid 50's Phillips in UK were known more as a replacement component maker. I would doubt that they exported bikes without their own make parts. More likely sold just frames, even without the bottom bracket fittings, and left it to the local company to build wheels etc. This would have been so much cheaper for shipping. BW were good standard component makers. Chains: Renold were accepted as best chains, the Renold Elite had shouldered rivets, always pull the sideplate off the rivet, don't push it through, as you can on almost any other chain. All Renold chains were checked literally by hand. They had an elderly lady whose job was to run lengths of chain through her hands, she could feel if it was correct. by: 188.8.131.52
RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: PHILLIPS 1939 gent's Roadmaster posted by MArk on 2/1/2010 at 2:49:21 PM
Bill or Keith--did the Phillips make kickstands--esp. 50s-- have identifying marks on them? thanks Mark by: 184.108.40.206
RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: PHILLIPS 1939 gent's Roadmaster posted by Chris on 2/1/2010 at 7:32:33 PM
mention is made of the "worlds largest chain combine" in one of my books when mentioning Phillips
Phillips was Huge by: 220.127.116.11
RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: PHILLIPS 1939 gent's Roadmaster posted by Bill on 2/1/2010 at 11:16:47 PM
Mark, Went back and looked at the 1950s catalogues again, and see three kinds of prop stand, parts numbers 484,485, and 485, but the photograph does not show that they are branded like the saddle bags, bells and inflators on the same page. I've never actually seen one so I can't tell you about identifying marks, by: 18.104.22.168
RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: PHILLIPS 1939 gent's Roadmaster posted by Keith Body on 2/2/2010 at 11:33:14 AM
Bill, memory gone, I suspect the prop stand makers did them in any name, for a fair quantity. Can't remember who really made them. by: 22.214.171.124
RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: PHILLIPS 1939 gent's Roadmaster posted by mark on 2/3/2010 at 12:52:55 PM
Bill--just had a look at my 1960 B'ham Phillips propstand, presume original--anyhow, No maker or other marks whatever (and curiously the same's true on my 48 Herc brakes) by: 126.96.36.199
RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: PHILLIPS 1939 gent's Roadmaster posted by Chris on 2/3/2010 at 6:14:11 PM
these numbers are patent numbers and you can look it up on the internet I do it all the time by: 188.8.131.52
RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: PHILLIPS 1939 gent's Roadmaster posted by Chris on 2/9/2010 at 4:53:07 PM
opens the door to all of it you can see other things the men made, other things the company did. I have spent hours looking up patent stuff by: 184.108.40.206
RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: PHILLIPS 1939 gent's Roadmaster posted by Luciano on 10/26/2010 at 11:29:32 AM
Hello Bill, could contact me? I am very interested in getting a copy of Phillips catalogues (period 1900-1935). My e-mail: firstname.lastname@example.org by: 220.127.116.11
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