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AGE / VALUE:Rudge Canti frame posted by: Curtis on 2/9/2010 at 11:17:26 AM
Hi, I originally posted this in Balloon/Middleweight..jj suggested I try here.

I picked up this Rudge a few weeks ago. Cantilever frame, Rear SA hub says 58, wheels are 26 X 1 3/4.. It came with chrome fenders and chain guard, which I've left off until I determine if they were original or not..They seem cheap, maybe aftermarket to me. I was under the impression that Rudge fenders and stays were of the higher quality of the Raleigh bikes..

Info and pics of an original would be greatly appreciated.


          RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:���Rudge Canti frameposted by Chris on 2/10/2010 at 6:12:03 PM
Great, we go ahead and doom the original Rudge company because they assume we are serious and they think there is a market out there for this insane project. Still, today, it might really sell.

          RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:���Rudge Canti frameposted by Chris on 2/10/2010 at 7:35:24 PM
tires are the english version of the schwinn size A schwinn tire will not fit it's not interchangable even if the numbers are the same you need a tire marked British

          RE:AGE / VALUE:Rudge Canti frameposted by Warren on 2/11/2010 at 5:25:32 AM
Here's a similar but different Raleigh export frame of the same period...


          RE:AGE / VALUE:���Rudge Canti frameposted by Curtis on 2/11/2010 at 8:56:20 AM
Warren, Thanks! Good looking out.
Yep. That's the same caliper setup as the one I have but those are definitely different mudguards..

Thanks for all the assistance.

The guys at B's Bikes in Greenpoint Brooklyn set me up with a pair of tires: Kenda Extra Prima 54 - 571, 26 X 2 X 1 3/4

A nice fit for this bike.

I put the fenders on yesterday just in time for what everyone here called, a mild 'blizzard.' haha!
Very close clearance at one spot on the rear, but overall, I think it works..and it's great in the snow!

Here it is:


          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:���Rudge Canti frameposted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 2/11/2010 at 9:23:43 AM
From the Adirondack Museum. A decked canoe SIDECAR and the motorcycle that transports it.


Larry "Boneman" Bone - I don't have one of those....


          RE:AGE / VALUE:Rudge Canti frameposted by Curtis on 2/9/2010 at 11:27:38 AM
Another view


          RE:AGE / VALUE:Rudge Canti frameposted by Curtis on 2/9/2010 at 11:38:30 AM


          RE:AGE / VALUE:Rudge Canti frameposted by Warren on 2/9/2010 at 3:56:15 PM
That would be a Raleigh made Rudge. Raleigh made a few canti-framed models of their own at that time and the chrome mudguards were typical of early 60's bikes. Likely OEM? I've had a few similar models. Rudge was originally a premium line of bikes but the consensus here has been that after the takeover, Raleigh TI slowly downgraded Rudge and eventually all marques after a time. Dunelt, BSA, Rudge, Hercules all played second fiddle to the mother corporation.

          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Rudge Canti frameposted by Chris on 2/9/2010 at 4:22:35 PM
Love that front rack it's a Wald from Maysville, Kentucky Wald made a lot of things very large and great company back in the day


          RE:AGE / VALUE:Rudge Canti frameposted by Warren on 2/9/2010 at 5:00:59 PM
One other oddity...Dunlop 26 x 1 3/4" rims are typically westwoods and don't work with caliper brakes. They are usually found on delivery bikes. Any chance of seeing a closeup? Maybe it's not the original wheelset?

          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Rudge Canti frameposted by Chris on 2/9/2010 at 5:45:35 PM
John Vernon Pugh's son took the Rudge company into strange waters, literally. "As what can only be described as a bizarre decision the company spent considerable sums of money and time and effort into developing adapatable sidecars for motorcycles that were also water worthy canoes giving the river man a new mobility." Needless to say the market demand for such niche products was not great....
Having spent such precious resources for a company in Rudge's position was not wise and the company was sold to E.M.I. who wanted to add the cycle buisness to offset the seasonal buisiness of phonographs it failed and E.M.I. was glad to unload it on Raleigh later on.
The Rudge plant in Hays, Middlesex was dismantled and production was moved to Nottingham. I'd love to see a set of photos showing the Rudge plant before closure.
The fenders on this bike are strange! British mudguard stays married to what looks like American type fenders.

          RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Rudge Canti frameposted by Warren on 2/9/2010 at 6:08:29 PM
I think you're right Chris...those fenders could be chrome but not that big. I think the wheelset and the mudguards are swapped out. The calipers/rims may tell the story.

          RE:AGE / VALUE:Rudge Canti frameposted by Curtis on 2/9/2010 at 8:48:06 PM
Thanks folks! This is a fun little detective game!

Wheels are stamped: Dunlop 26 X 1 3/4 Enrick.FA 26 X 1 3/4
Rear Sturmey Archer hub: SW, 58

Here's some front caliper, I'm not sure what ya'll would like to see but I'll post it:


          RE:AGE / VALUE:Rudge Canti frameposted by Curtis on 2/9/2010 at 8:54:04 PM
Chris, I would love a sidecar canoe..What a GREAT concept!! Seriously.
And I really like the beefy front rack too. Thanks for the history..

I can post a pic of rear caliper tmrw..

BTW, I found this bike in Brooklyn, NY, not far from Coney Island..
Total spent so far:
$40 for the bike
$55 for tubes tires and cables

Total: $95

          RE:AGE / VALUE:���Rudge Canti frameposted by Curtis on 2/10/2010 at 8:43:13 AM
Both front and rear are stamped *Dunlop Enrick.FA 26 x 1 3/4*
image: http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f72/curtibun/1265808655.jpg?t=1265816242

Both calipers are cast GB GRAND TOUR British Made
image: http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f72/curtibun/1265808632.jpg?t=1265816376

The seat post from center of bottom bracket to top of post is 18"

          RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:���Rudge Canti frameposted by Warren on 2/10/2010 at 9:27:28 AM
Well you've got me. I can't find a catalogue from the 50's or 60's with a similar bike listed but that's not unusual because they often made different models for export markets.Those are the first endrick rims I've seen in that size and I've never seen GB brakes on a roadster before although Raleigh did spec GB brakes on their road bikes (Gran Sport, Lentons etc.) Those Grand Tours are rare and maybe collectible. Is the front hub a Raleigh? If it is, I'd guess that it might be all original. Enjoy it.

I though you'd have a hard time finding tires for those rims. What did you buy?

          RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:���Rudge Canti frameposted by Chris on 2/18/2010 at 5:45:54 PM
So all that research and developement that doomed the original Rudge company was gathered up and used and another company put it into production somewhere and some time after John Vernon Pugh's time

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