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Archived: Balloon Tire and Middleweights

BALLOON:   Rim question posted by: 26 X 2.125 S-2 balloon tire rim on 11/1/2000 at 8:54:18 AM
What year did Schwinn discontinue the 26 X 2.125 balloon tire S-2 rim? And did we ever find out the reason for the knurling or double knurling like the 26 inch rim has?
What other company used knurling on rims?

   RE:BALLOON:   Rim question posted by Kevin C. on 11/1/2000 at 2:45:45 PM
The Wasp was the last of the 26-inch Schwinn ballooners. I think the last year of production was 1964. It was replaced by the middleweight Heavy-Duti.

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Rim question posted by Kevin C. on 11/1/2000 at 2:49:33 PM
Almost forgot--- The back wheel on a Cycle-Truck was full balloon until they stopped making them, probably in the 1970s.

   RE:BALLOON:   Rim question posted by sam on 11/1/2000 at 5:52:08 PM
Knurling hide the weld line,or so the x-pert told me,any way they are where the weld is--as you know schwinn rims are made from pressed tubes(tuberlur rims)and have double walls.I think Raleigh used double wall rims also(could be wrong here)but I have not seen knurling on them.

AGE / VALUE:   SELL OR TRADE BIKES posted by: Rob on 10/31/2000 at 10:02:41 AM
for sale---i still have around 20 plus great condition bikes left,from a 24 inch ballon tire Huffy bike,to a 26 inch J C Higgins girls bike with springer forks....including dunelts,sear spaceliner,raleighs,panasonic,columbias,western flyers,and other various middleweights in great condition........i will sell or trade these bikes for old musclebikes,choppers,and parts for those bikes...Also,i collect GERMAN bikes too,any kind,any shape....please e-mail if interested....thanx to the guys who already bought about 20 of these bikes,i really enjoyed dealing with you fellows.....,hope to hear from you,cheers,Rob

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   SELL OR TRADE BIKES posted by Rob on 11/1/2000 at 8:00:58 PM
i just wanted to add that every one of these bikes is original paint....there is not a repaint in the whole lot of them........a big thanx to Jerry,who reminded me about the paint after he saw the ad.................cheers,Rob

AGE / VALUE:   schwinn cruiser posted by: Doug on 10/31/2000 at 12:09:49 AM
Hello all I recently inherited an old schwinn cruiser which I can't find anything on ser# on head tube is ju514961 chainguard says schwinn cruiser has 26x2.125 orig schwinn studded balloon tires messinger seat no fenders or tank.just curious what I 'm dealing with here it would be easier if anyone would e-mail me thanks

AGE / VALUE:   Pre-war balloon Schwinn what year? posted by: Andrew Norman on 10/29/2000 at 3:29:10 PM
Here is what I know about my bike up to now…

My faher gave me this old bike when I was about 10 years old. It was in rough shape, and we did a father-son project of totally disassembling it, cleaning every part, painting it, truing and straightening the wheels, repacking all the bearings and then reassembling it to a like-new state. My father insisted that I know every part of a bicycle before assuming the responsibility of owning a piece of machinery.

I rode this old bomber during the late 50's and into the mid 60's. Mom recently sold the farm and I have what is left of my faithful bike after 30 or more years of abandonment in the back of the barn.

It is a pre-war Schwinn men's 26" bicycle, with a springer (also called "knee-action") front end. Rear axle slots face rearward. It has a "sweetheart" pedal sprocket, with "skip spacing" teeth, rear single-speed coaster brake "Morrow" in script on brake arm. Drop-center 26 x 2.215 rims (S-5?) with 36-spoke hubs, ribbed kickstand, long-horn handlebars, no tanks that I ever remember seeing, but my Mom thinks she remembers it having art-deco type of tanks with horn button. Front fender had a chrome teardrop light mounted on top. Serial number on bottom of pedal bearing housing on frame is D19776. The top bar from the headset to the seat post is curved, but the second bar is straight. The front springer is typical, but bolts are engraved "AS".

Any idea what model or year this might be? Is it a "B-6"? Any info is humbly appreciated.

Warm regards,


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Pre-war balloon Schwinn what year? posted by WIngs on 10/30/2000 at 10:29:12 PM
Yes, earlier than 1948 by serial number.
Teardrop light? Sort of bullet shaped?
If it is "bullet shaped" it could have been:
Motorbike (around 1938) (Very small headlight)
Motorbike (in 40's) Some had Phantom tupe lights.
Schwinn Excelsior ( 40's)
Panther (early 50's more common)
Hornet (early 50's more common)
The Panther and Hornet both had horn tanks and a bullet tupe light.
If you could describe the paint--if possible it would help as the Hornet had a more intricate paint job.
You really could pick the style of bike you would like and build it up.
I hope others can add to this as I know Phantoms better than the above.
Auto Cycle (around 1938)

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Pre-war balloon Schwinn what year? posted by Andrew Norman on 11/1/2000 at 2:34:33 PM
Thanks for the reply, believe this bike was from the 30's, original paint long since gone. Light may not have been original equip, but it was not bullet, it was almost half-round flush mount with a white lens, and the body tapered back to a point, almost like one of the cab marker lights on an 18-wheeler. Thanks again for the reply.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Pre-war balloon Schwinn what year? posted by sam on 11/1/2000 at 5:59:02 PM
The light you discribe sounds like the standard phamton front fender light.Didn't they start in the late 30's?

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Pre-war balloon Schwinn what year? posted by Andrew on 11/1/2000 at 9:09:20 PM
After roaming around the net and looking at lots of Phantom pictures, the front light I earlier described is almost identical to the ones I see on the front fender of the '40s and '50s phantoms. Did this style light go back to the late '30s? Any idea what the taillight (if any) might have looked like?
Thanks kindly to all.


MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Thanks posted by: Dale on 10/29/2000 at 8:12:22 AM
Thank you very much kevin C and Wings for the tips on my Schwinn Three Speed racer with your help on the serial number location we have ID the date as Dec.1962. If I can find a picture of what it looked like as far as pin stripping that would be the final step. Color doesn't seem to be a problem at this time. I think we can due a color match by getting down the original paint.

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Thanks posted by Wings on 10/30/2000 at 10:34:40 PM
Every racer I have seen is GREEN!
Colors in 62 are red, black, blue

MUSCLE BIKES:   WWW.XBID.COM NO RESERVE HAS STARTED posted by: Joe on 10/29/2000 at 6:29:11 AM
The auction has started.

Thank you.

BALLOON:   WWW.XBID.COM NO RESERVE HAS STARTED posted by: Joe on 10/29/2000 at 6:24:24 AM
The Xbid auction has begun.

Thank you

AGE / VALUE:   WWW.XBID.COM NO RESERVE HAS STARTED posted by: Joe on 10/29/2000 at 6:24:24 AM
The Xbid auction has begun.

Thank you

MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Color and Picture posted by: Dale on 10/28/2000 at 4:33:50 PM
I have a Schwinn Three speed and I believe they called it a racer. The only thing we can recall is a 1960 or 1961. My father kept it all yhe years covered up. My mother says I got it when I was 7 or 8 which would put it about that time frame. What we're still looking for is the serial number but my father has painted over it with Red. But what I see under the Red is like a Metalic Red. Does anyone know the actual color name. Or does anyone have a clear picture so we can see how it was pin striped. we want to restore to orginal looks.

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Color and Picture posted by kevin c. on 10/28/2000 at 8:11:11 PM
Serial number will be stamped into the frame, where the rear wheel bolts on. The serial number chart at this site will tell you the year and month of manufacture.

   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Color and Picture posted by Wings on 10/29/2000 at 12:12:03 AM
Serial number probably above the bolt on left stay (rear wheel).
Yes, they had a metalic red then. It sounds like you are trying to match the paint. I would examine the fork tube that is covered by the head tube. It should have a good preserved copy of the color--not faded in the sun.
Remove the handle bar stem with handle bar attached.
Unscrew to parts of headset. The fork will slide out--I am not sure--you may have loose ball bearing drop out so be careful!
Hyperformance (Sting ray source) has cans of spray paint for rays and their red should be your color or very close to it.

AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Streamline Aerocycle posted by: Aldo on 10/27/2000 at 6:16:57 PM
I'm trying to determine the value of a partial Aerocycle. You can see pics at:


Thanks for any help.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Streamline Aerocycle posted by Carl on 10/30/2000 at 8:44:41 AM
I'd say you are sitting on at least $1500. Maybe more.
Those are beautiful bikes and yours looks all original.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Streamline Aerocycle posted by Kevin C. on 10/30/2000 at 6:40:42 PM
To the right person, the tank alone might be worth $1,500. The Aerocycle is the ultimate Schwinn ballooner and every high-end collector knows it. Phantoms are a dime a dozen compared to Aerocycles.

FOR SALE:   1956 JAGUAR FRAME? posted by: STEVEN on 10/27/2000 at 10:23:55 AM

BALLOON:   What is it? posted by: Jim Crain on 10/27/2000 at 10:04:29 AM
Just purchased a bicycle that has an Indian badge with Columbia on the front fender. The paint on the fenders looks like a good match for the frame and looks original. The serial number is E151146 which looks like a 1940 Columbia number. In addition to the serial number stamp is G11. Did Columbia make parts for Indian or vica versa or did I buy a bitsa bike? I plan to marry this bicycle with a late forties Whizzer kit. Any reason not to do this?

   RE:BALLOON:   What is it? posted by JimW. on 10/29/2000 at 12:01:48 PM
I'd run a search in this site's archives. Indian bikes have
been discussed before. I think mounting a Whizzer motor on it
is a great concept. Go for it.

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   What is it? posted by Carl on 10/30/2000 at 8:42:12 AM
Columbias, Indians, Hartfords, Westfields and a few other were all made in the same part of Massachusetts, so I wouldn't be surprised if they shared parts.

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Billy Panzer on 10/26/2000 at 7:06:31 PM
I have a couple bicycles in what appears to be original condition that I acquired from an uncle and would appreciate any information on them. the first is a Goodyear Hi-way Patrol Special Columbia built. The tires are 26 x 1.75 The front tire is a Speed Cushion and the back tire is a Zephyr Flyte. Both tires are white side-wall. On the tube near the tank is a small band that reads; by Persons with a columbia logo underneath. the tank has a button that rings a bell. There is also a headlight, but I'm not sure if it is original equipment.
model no. 224-9951 serial no. H0 26525
The other bike is a White Super Chief from White's Auto store It is a girls bike, dark blue with a springer front shock absorber. model no. 67 158 serial no. A1829808 there is no indication as to the manufacturer. both front and back tires are Kelly Springweld Road Trac. I am especially curious as to the manufacturer. I am sure this may be difficult to ascertain without photos. This bike also has a rack on the back fender.
Any additional info you can share would be greatly appreciated: ie; value or where I may go to seek info on these bikes.
Thank you.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by joel on 10/27/2000 at 6:58:21 AM
There's a Columbia serial # chart at this site. That should tell you the year. I have a nice chainguard for that bike if you need one. The other bike is probably built by a major company. You might find a pic of something similar in the database.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by sam on 10/27/2000 at 6:47:30 PM
I've seen whites auto bikes before,check the Roadmaster springer fork and see if it's the same.should be able to find a photo on this web site

AGE / VALUE:   What is it posted by: vb on 10/26/2000 at 7:53:15 AM
I'm trying to determine the make and age of a 40s-50s schwinn serial #f88005. The number is listed for the year 52 from the information I've seen. Problem is my number is on the bottom hanger which is supposed to be pre 52. All pre 52 numbers I've seen don't match. Color scheme is the same as a Phantom only it is green frame with white(cream?) accents,red pinstripe around white. It has locking springer fork, drop center rims, and new departure hub. It was missing the tank and fenders. Phantom? B-6? Autocycle?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   What is it posted by reggie on 10/27/2000 at 3:45:48 PM
it very well might be a b-6 or auto cycle. is there any decals other than pinstripe anywhere on frame? try checking crank case to see if ever was repainted original paint should be there. does springer fork have "AS" bolts for pivots? does it have a twin roller chain (skip tooth cogs). can you e-mail photo? send me ser# in order that reads on frame what type of head badge does it have? oval,oval with wings, or round?

AGE / VALUE:   JOHN DEERE posted by: TREK on 10/25/2000 at 7:58:20 AM

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   JOHN DEERE posted by bob on 10/25/2000 at 1:49:25 PM
Look under reader's web sites.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   JOHN DEERE posted by rd on 10/25/2000 at 4:24:59 PM
I have several JD. They have some value but you won't get rich on one. The green ones have been selling for a couple hundred. The white universal one is the lest desired one and don't bring a high price except from hose who don't know jd bikes. There are blue one's which are the rarest to find and should bring a higher price for that reason. Te 20" have been selling hotter than the adult ones esp. the 20" yellow one for what reason I dont know. You will hear stories that the one to each dealer was all that was made and other wild stories but john deere tried to sell the bikes 3 different times and they didn't sell to well so some dealers started giving them away with the purchase of big machine. you don't find so many in the south but find a few in the north. They are just a bicycle made by several different companys with a john deere badge on them but you know what happens when you say john deere. They price for one keeps ging up little bit.