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BALLOON:   Headlight posted by: Pat Sullivan on 11/29/2001 at 11:03:49 PM
Did Schwinn make a Phantom style headlight that would work on a reproduction Cruiser fender? One that doesn't require the indentation in the fender. If not, what would be a correct style light to use on the front fender? I have a 1980 Schwinn Cruiser Deluxe that I put all the Schwinn reproduction parts on.
Thanks for your time

   RE:BALLOON:   Headlight posted by sam on 11/30/2001 at 2:47:35 AM
Maple Island list one in their catalog like what you need.Their phone is 417 682 6655

BALLOON:   Schwinn DX Straight bar posted by: Drew on 11/29/2001 at 2:21:58 AM
I've noticed some early DX frames where the lower bar is slightly curved, therefore the tank does not come to a point like the later models of the postwar era. When were the first 'straight bar' versions made? any feedback is helpfull.

   RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn DX Straight bar posted by MNSmith on 11/29/2001 at 10:47:24 AM
Well, hold on now. Which frame are you asking about? The DX, the straightbar, or the cantilever??

The Schwinn "straight bar" came as early as 1935, as long as we don't throw in the B10E type of frame. B models and C models were a straight bar type. That type of frame made it up to 1962 in a similar configuration as a Typhoon, where the lower straight bars were a double tube.

The DX first came along in 1939. The only year with a straight down tube. The DX frame lasted to the mid 50's.

The Cantilever came along in 1938. It just keeps on going.

   RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn DX Straight bar posted by Drew on 11/29/2001 at 12:57:30 PM
It's the one on the cover of 'The American Bicycle' by Jim Hurd, the bike is labeled a 1941 DX - the tank is notably different then later DX's. It's not the cycles of the 1933-37 era. Thanks for posting info - Drew

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn DX Straight bar posted by MNSmith on 11/29/2001 at 7:00:22 PM
Yes, that is the "DX" frame. Those frames and tanks stayed basically the same their whole run. There were slight differences between the prewar and post war tank but they had the same basic shape.

If you go to page 108 of the same book ( and again on the following two pages ), the photo at the bottom shows a "straight bar" frame. A lot of folks refer to that DX frame as a "straightbar" frame when there isn't a straight bar to be found on it. It is not a straight bar frame.

They are two distinctly different frames, one known as the "DX" frame, the other as a "straight bar" frame. Both frames had roughly the same years of production, they ran concurrently pre and post war.

The most popular model built around the straight bar was the Hornet, so you will also hear folks refer to the straight bar frame as a Hornet frame.

   RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn DX Straight bar posted by Drew on 11/29/2001 at 7:52:48 PM
Thanks MNSmith, I've learned something today....

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn DX Straight bar posted by Jeff on 12/2/2001 at 12:25:01 AM
If you look at one of the old "blue books" by Hurd you'll see that there is a true straightbar bike in there listed as a DB97XE. I think this is a last year DX that was made before the Hornet replaced it. Has anyone ever seen one of these in person?

   RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn DX Straight bar posted by MNSmith on 12/2/2001 at 9:52:01 AM
Right! In 1937 there was a straight bar "DX". The frame looked like a prewar C model frame. But what was to become the typical "DX" frame with the two gently curving upper tubes first began in 1939.

AGE / VALUE:   Boys Roll Fast posted by: Don Elgan on 11/27/2001 at 2:03:40 AM
I bought an old Roll Fast with tons of old house paint on it. It has the springer on the front, tank, and a rear rack for a buddy to ride. Is there a way to date these bikes? I'm about to start tearing it down, and get rid of the old paint. Is there a serial number somewhere to watch for? Would like to know the year made. Thanks for any help on this in advance.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Boys Roll Fast posted by Jeff on 11/29/2001 at 4:50:25 PM
One way to date it is by looking at the Rollfast models in the picture database.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Boys Roll Fast posted by Don Elgan on 12/4/2001 at 1:59:01 AM
Thanks Jeff--but didn't see any that was like it. In fact there was only about 6 that I could see in the data base.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Boys Roll Fast posted by sambo on 12/9/2001 at 8:08:52 PM
Does it have a head badge/ what does it say? I have a 1939/40 Rollfast w/ the head badge "ROAMER" on it. It was my dads. He told me it was a 39 or 40 cause that's when he got it. Look under the crank for #'s. Sorry, I can't tell u what they mean or can I put an actual date on it.

AGE / VALUE:   German Alloy Coaster Hub posted by: Lane on 11/27/2001 at 1:34:00 AM
I have been looking in my junk box and pull an unknown hub out. No lever arm present. It is marked GERMANY across body. Oiler hole in center. Body has slight shoulders leading to flanges. 36 hole heavy flange 2 1/8 on center measure. 2 1/2 inch diameter flange. 18 tooth Gear marked F&SC 040310 18Z 1/2 . Hub shines like crome and no rust or corrosion.
What is it? Help.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   German Alloy Coaster Hub posted by Gary M on 11/27/2001 at 5:10:13 PM
F&SC = Fichtel and Sachs Company. probably a very good quality hub. Schwinn used these hubs on the Tornado series, and the rode better then the Schwinn std hub for less money.
the ones used on the Schwinns were stamped Schwinn approved in script.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   German Alloy Coaster Hub posted by Lane on 11/27/2001 at 10:52:28 PM
Thanks for the info. I appreciate it. Does anyone have an interest in the hub?

MUSCLE BIKES:   Pre-Stingray? posted by: toddztoys on 11/27/2001 at 12:45:41 AM
I posted a similar message on the musclebikes board. I recently aquired a '59 Schwinn boy's bike with 20" wheels. The frame is the same as found on my '64 sting ray, but with a cool two-tone paint job and cream colored rims. It currently has sting-ray style bars and is missing the seat and chainguard. Can anyone tell me what this model was called? I want to research it so I can return it to it's original configuration.
Thanks in advance-

   RE:MUSCLE BIKES:   Pre-Stingray? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 11/27/2001 at 1:19:20 AM
The books out about Schwinn should have been written to answer this person's question. Period! It should have been "get the book, look it up and ZAP! question answered. The guy would go "Hey this is some book! and he immediately gets in line and buys the book! But No, instead the above writer has some questions and a lot of folks have answers and so we stumble about here on stage hoping that somebody will know and take the time to answer our question. I am sorry, but I do not know myself this one, but stay with us. It a great group here.

   RE:MUSCLE BIKES:   Pre-Stingray? posted by toddztoys on 11/27/2001 at 4:44:36 AM
Thanks for the support, CR. Given all the fans of the mighty Schwinn, you would think that a decent book that is valid as a reference work could be published. And it could be pretty, too! Somebody must have a collection of the catalogs that could act as a starting point. There is a guy on ebay selling B&W copies of some really early ones, but frankly, I wouldn't be interested in paying money for a copy unless it was a really nice repro, in color where applicable. Anyway, I'm not a total newbie to old bikes, but I was not aware that the stingray frame was so old until I happened upon this one. I have the feeling it may be a bit older than 59, after looking at some more examples on the net. It has the red and cream two-tone paint with the little cutout designs (I don't know what they are called)on the top and down tubes at the paint borders(?), a scheme that fits more with the early fifties. The SN is B9XXXXX, with five digits following the B9. According to the charts here it could only be a 1959 model. Damn I wish I could find something on this bike!

   RE:MUSCLE BIKES:   Pre-Stingray? posted by sam on 11/28/2001 at 12:09:16 AM
the 1959 price guide list 4 20" bikes. h35 is the hornet. S31 is the speedster.K31 is the spitfire. And X32 is the tornado. From what you said about the paint on the bars my guess is the spitfire(with the schwinn claw foot design same as the large spitfire)--sam

   RE:RE:MUSCLE BIKES:   Pre-Stingray? posted by toddztoys on 11/29/2001 at 2:32:24 PM
Thanks for the response, Sam. I was thinking of the spitfire, but I couldn't find any examples on the web that were 20". Now at least I know they made them. So I still need pictures to find out the type of seat, handlebars, fenders, and chainguard it is supposed to have. My guess is that is probably had full fenders, but white or red? Riser handlebars make sense on this small a frame too, but I don't know. Anyway, if anyone has a picture of one of these in their collections, I would appreciate a scan.

   RE:RE:RE:MUSCLE BIKES:   Pre-Stingray? posted by JimW. on 12/1/2001 at 11:04:40 PM
My younger brother had one of them, in the '50s. His was branded with the Bluegrass livery, of Belknap Hardware Co. of Louisville, KY, but it was made by Schwinn. I don't know what the Schwinn model designation was. This one had semi-pneumatic tires and the typical cantilever frame, full fenders, etc. It was red and cream. In the mid-'60s, I kustomized it into the musclebike style, with ape-hangers from Western Auto, new paint job, and a home-made banana saddle.

   The Schwinn auction some years back posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/3/2001 at 10:00:08 PM
As large as the Schwinn family was, it is surprising to me that nobody was given the go ahead permission and access to the family's company archive of notes, documents, photos and all what else there was before the break up and bankruptcy sale and the sale of the family's cycle collection.
It would not have been like letting an outsider in to do it, rather a inside family project.
They all were proud of the legacy, proud to be associated with this great name, and somebody would have just loved to do it and in time, it could have all been done justice and by a Schwinn too.
The sorry thing is, that they probably had their own hands full with the fellow who was running the company and the real and terrible problems and awful times they were going through. It was really terrible the way it went down. If there was a effort to do a book before it got late, the project got killed off. Then all the trouble and there was not time, energy, ability to do it. Then the bankruptcy and the family was out of it. Then some books were written about it,weren't they? It had to crash before anybody heard about it and good people tried to help out by wanting to buy a bike but it was way too late.
After the auction it all got scattered. Well kind of, there is one fellow who bought a large chunk of the cycles and there were plans for a museaum but what happened to that I am not sure myself. I think he still has it, and that something has (or is) formed with that. Where was this museaum to be? This was a fluke, this doesn't happen. People went home in disgust because he bought item after item, no matter how high it went. I made the mistake of saying "Atta- Boy" when I heard about him but pals who were there and had traveled to buy, were not amused, and looked at me cross eyed! Myself, I think it was awesome that he had the ability and the nerve to do that!Better still, that he wanted to keep it together. This was done with the lions share of the bikes only. I'm talking about the source material, all the paper catalogs,notes, material in general should have been carried in to a large empty building where people could get together and sit down and look thru it all together and something should have been pieced together and written. Unfortunitly, people go to their cars and go home after an auction. This one was a zoo, with a lone bidder surprising everybody and causing a stir! Despite our love and obsession and devotion it still gets treated as "product" to sell and trade and barter and there is no real comradery, or fellowship of cycle collectors. Actually,we compete amongst ourselves and that is how it is with everything, but that works against us in trying to put together a record of it all. The last real oportunity to make a complete accurate book is right before it gets moved, sold, or shuffled around and thrown out or lost. Now it is scattered to the winds after being kept together for a century. How would we ever find the folks who bought this and that and piece it back together? Even for a joint- effort book written by bike collectors? It is impossible now. I hear there were boxes and boxes and the folks who got to view and place bids were surprised to see it wind up like this.

   Maybe this??........... posted by MNSmith on 12/5/2001 at 2:31:01 AM
Hey Christopher Robin,

I think this is the museum that you are thinking about. http://www.bicyclemuseum.com/

   That's it! posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/5/2001 at 5:53:17 PM
This is it! Your're right. He did a great job with the web site and a book is mentioned too. I hope it all stays together like he wants it to.
Thanks for the web address!

BALLOON:   Dating a JC Higgns posted by: Bob Hill on 11/26/2001 at 9:11:51 PM
I need help in dating a girls JC Higgins. I have the model and serial numbers. I appreciate any help.

BALLOON:   IDing an Elgin posted by: Stacey on 11/26/2001 at 8:39:22 PM
I uncovered a step-thru frame Elgin. Blue (& white, if memory serves me correctly) in color, truss rod forks, fender mounted headlight, tank, and the wildest thing I've ever seen, Kind of a fan shaped stamping coming up off the chainguard along the seat tube and across the side of the rear wheel. I'm sorry I don't have more information, I only saw a picture and was told that it is a 1947. Any ideas on the standard questions. Modle ID, value... etc?

In the wind,

   RE:BALLOON:   IDing an Elgin posted by toddztoys on 11/27/2001 at 1:58:06 PM
Don't know much about Elgins, but since you are describing a girl's bike, I bet the fan-shaped metal is a skirt guard. You know, to keep your skirt from blowing into the spokes as you ride. I have seen them on some JC Higgins models before, and I think they should be on both sides of the wheel. Sorry I can't help on the rest of your questions, but it sounds like a cool bike!

   RE:BALLOON:   IDing an Elgin posted by Gary M on 11/27/2001 at 4:32:39 PM
I have a 1936 "Sears Fully Equipped" which is basically a unlabeled Elgin. There is a bit of info on elgins scatterred about the web, which is how i figured mine out.
there were certain changes in skirt gaurd design, etc. it has value. models similar to mine have been selling 4-600$
i could only imagine what a pristine original would fetch.
there are a couple models that are worth a ton, so be careful with what you do to it.

   I found a photo... posted by Stacey on 11/27/2001 at 10:33:49 PM
at nostalgia.net, it's close to the one I saw yesterday, though it dosen't have a tank, Dated 1940 "Fully Equipped" or "Deluxe Equipped". I really need to go back for another look and eyeball the actual bike, not just the photo.

You can view the bike at; http://home3.netcarrier.com/'tegants/1940elgin.jpg

Thanks bunches for all your help and input.

In the wind,

   RE:BALLOON:   IDing an Elgin posted by goob on 11/27/2001 at 11:58:07 PM
i have an elgin that is dark red and creame with truss rods and no light or tank but has a flat medal object hanging under the top bar like where a tank would be. serial no 1-20-35. anyone have an ideas of age and why the metal strip rather than a tank?

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   IDing an Elgin posted by Joel on 11/28/2001 at 11:07:18 PM
Could the metal piece be some kind of accessory? or part of one? Maybe a sign?

BALLOON:   Schwinn Dx production posted by: Mike on 11/26/2001 at 8:25:46 PM
Does anyone know when Schwinn stopped making the DX straight bar bike with skiptooth sprocket?

   RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn Dx production posted by MNSmith on 11/27/2001 at 6:07:42 AM
I have seen DX frames dated 1954-55. Skip tooths were also available up to about that time too, so the combination could have been possible. Although that late in the game it typically would have been a 1/2" pitch chainwheel.

AGE / VALUE:   Heidemann Works Fleet Wing posted by: Scott on 11/25/2001 at 7:09:42 PM
I have a Heidemann Works (Hanover Germany) girl's "Fleet Wing" with balloon tires It rides ok, wondered if ANYONE had any info? I can't find a thing. Email me at address above.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Heidemann Works Fleet Wing posted by Andrew on 11/26/2001 at 8:38:50 PM
I know someone that has a 1951 Heidemann childs bike with 16" wheels. These bikes were imported during the bike boom of the late 40's - early 50's but I don't think since then. It's a pretty scarce bicyle. Hanover is known for manufacturing the VW bus, since 1956.

WANTED:   S-2 chrome crusier wheel (rear) 26" posted by: Derek on 11/23/2001 at 5:33:05 PM
I need the rear wheel coaster prefered. If you have one in decent shape please LMK.



MIDDLEWEIGHT:   The'57 Schwinn mountain bike posted by: Drew on 11/20/2001 at 10:47:02 PM
As teenager in the 70's I found myself a 1957 Wasp frame, went to the local Schwinn dealer and bought a pair of heavy duty S-7 wheels with tractor tires. My intention was to have a bike for downhill mountain racing. This bike was indestructible, surviving several 35mph crashes(I didn't hold up quite as well as the bike). I'm happy to report, I rescued it from my mother's basement and put it back on the road this summer after 26 years of gathering dust. It may not be able to keep up with today's off road machines, but it's got charactor, something not found in the imported cycles.

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   The'57 Schwinn mountain bike posted by Cal on 11/21/2001 at 1:13:17 PM
Cool Cool COOL!!
Now maybe add in a multispeed hub to bring it up to date?

I wish more people would attempt these unique contraptions!

   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   The'57 Schwinn mountain bike posted by JimW. on 12/1/2001 at 11:17:48 PM
We have a beautiful Schwinn Wasp MTB conversion by Thomas Tullar in the BikeRod&Kustom Webzine Gallery. See it at:
It has an 8-speed cluster on the rear, MTB bars, canti brakes, powder-coating, etc. The Merlin Newsboy titanium MTB
frame looks very close to the design of the Wasp frame, IMO.

BALLOON:   Monark Super Deluxe (1947) posted by: Sean on 11/20/2001 at 12:31:32 AM
I just found a men's Monark Super Deluxe at a garage sale. The seller said it was a 1947.

The only original parts are the frame, the tank, the chainguard, and the carrier. They've all been repainted over old pitted paint, so I've got my work cut out for me.

Anyone know where I can find a head badge for this bike? I've seen some Silver King badges, but no Super Deluxe. Also, can I use the dual spring fork from a girl's bike on this bike?

It seems like I can get everything else online. Oh yeah, except maybe that chrome piece that hangs down off the back of the carrier. What is that and where can I find one?

   RE:BALLOON:   Monark Super Deluxe (1947) posted by Gordon on 11/20/2001 at 12:58:46 AM
The headbadge should have been riveted to the chrome shroud in front of the tank. Is the shroud there and the headbadge gone? You can use a girls springer, but will have to cut it down and have more threads put on it. You will also have to make adjustments with the spacers above/below the springs.

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Monark Super Deluxe (1947) posted by Sean on 11/20/2001 at 1:53:36 AM
The shroud is there, but the badge is gone. How would one rivet the badge back on if one were to find such an item?

   RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   Monark Super Deluxe (1947) posted by steve on 11/20/2001 at 6:48:14 PM
I have a shroud from a girls bike that has the badge intact. I believe the badge is the same size as the boys. I have one and I'd sell it if you're interested.

I'd drill the back of the rivets (just enough so you can tap them out) from the girls headbadge and glue every thing back on the boys shroud. Or, you might be able to find matching rivets at a hardware store and CAREFULLY hammer them in place.

The chrome piece on the back of the luggage carrier is called a "cheese grater". It should be available from Maple Island Sales. I know they were selling a whole reproduction rack. If you can't find what you need there, try Memory Lane for a used one.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   Monark Super Deluxe (1947) posted by david on 11/22/2001 at 11:57:41 AM
i could use the girs shroud if you sell him the badge,i have drilled them out and used small screws to put them back on

AGE / VALUE:   What is it? posted by: Scott on 11/19/2001 at 2:28:51 AM
I recently came across a Murray Jet Fire X-65.
I cannot find any information about this bike, like when it was made and it's value.
This is my first "old Bike" and will appreaciate any help?

MISC:   Texas Ranger and Rangerette posted by: Frank on 11/18/2001 at 3:30:41 PM
I have a green and white texas ranger the rims are white with stermy archer coaster brake. the handle bars are missing the seat is a Huffy saddle (might not be the origanal) the tank on it is for looks only. anyone have data on this bike. I bought it for my wife to make a 3 speed cruizer. like to know more before i taking it apart.


   RE:MISC:   Texas Ranger and Rangerette posted by sam on 11/19/2001 at 1:52:26 AM
I have a 20" texas ranger from the 60s.But this brand was used for a long time because I've seen it on pre-war bikes too.I think mine was made by AMF(roadmaster/Cleveland welding) Check the front sprocket against others in the data base to see if you can find a match.Does the S-A hub also have gears?

   RE:MISC:   Texas Ranger and Rangerette posted by goob on 11/19/2001 at 2:07:30 AM
i have several Texas Ranger bikes. They have never caught on as collectors so the value is not a lot on them. they were made by several manf. i think!

   RE:MISC:   Texas Ranger and Rangerette posted by goob on 11/19/2001 at 2:07:50 AM
i have several Texas Ranger bikes. They have never caught on as collectors so the value is not a lot on them. they were made by several manf. i think!

   RE:MISC:   Texas Ranger and Rangerette posted by goob on 11/19/2001 at 2:07:57 AM
i have several Texas Ranger bikes. They have never caught on as collectors so the value is not a lot on them. they were made by several manf. i think!

   RE:RE:MISC:   Texas Ranger and Rangerette posted by Frank on 11/23/2001 at 4:36:30 AM
Have you any pic's or these bikes for sale?
Might make a complete pair.


WANTED:   Singletube tires posted by: Randy on 11/17/2001 at 3:16:47 AM
I'm interested in a set of 28" singletube tires. Does antone know who sells them besides Coker?

   RE:WANTED:   Singletube tires posted by Kevin C. on 11/17/2001 at 9:11:18 AM
Harper Manufacturing Company in Dunbar, W. Va. sells them for about $80 each and they are rideable.

   RE:WANTED:   Singletube tires posted by Gordon on 11/17/2001 at 12:30:26 PM
I believe there is a pair of originals on eBay now.

   RE:RE:WANTED:   Singletube tires posted by Kevin C. on 11/17/2001 at 5:25:16 PM
There's a pair of 28 inch tires on eBay, but they're modern tires for English roadsters and won't work on a bike that takes single-tube tires. The pair of single-tubes on eBay are 26 inchers.