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Archived: Balloon Tire and Middleweights

AGE / VALUE:   Can anyone tell me about my Columbia Tandem posted by: Drew on 12/25/2001 at 12:10:11 AM
I picked a Columbia tandem out of the trash about ten years ago. I briefly spoke to the owner who said his now grown kids had really enjoyed it.The bike is intact and in pretty good shape. Needs cleaning, bar grips, pedals, spokes and tires. Is it worth restoring, or should I just get it rolling again for the enjoyment of my two kids? I brought the frame to the local bike ship to get the pedals removed so I can work on the bottom bracket.
Any info is appreciated.

AGE / VALUE:   New Departure Rear Hub Question posted by: Peter on 12/24/2001 at 3:40:27 PM
While rummaging through my garage I ran across a old
rear New Departure hub (skip tooth) that has a rather odd
finish to it. Instead of the chrome plating as typically
found with these (at least to my knowledge), this appears
to be a dull looking metal (sort of a grayish nickle plating though has a somewhat shiney finish). It isn't paint either. Its the true color of the metal. Does anybody know what this is? Wartime substitute for chrome plating? I really want to know. Is it rare? How much is something like this worth (yes, I may sell it).
Thank you kindly in advance for your help.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   New Departure Rear Hub Question posted by Vindicator on 12/24/2001 at 6:34:20 PM
Sounds like Rearden Metal to me.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   New Departure Rear Hub Question posted by Peter on 12/24/2001 at 10:59:16 PM
Hi Vindicator,
Ok. So what does that mean (Rearden Metal)? Never heard of it. I have heard of bike parts being sort of a black colored (or painted) that were used within the US military
during WW2.
I do not know if that is what this is.
Looks different than what is on my Monarks and Firestone bikes.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   New Departure Rear Hub Question posted by hank on 12/25/2001 at 5:30:40 AM
"Who is John Galt?"

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   New Departure Rear Hub Question posted by sam on 12/26/2001 at 3:12:22 AM
I just cleaned a N.D. that was painted black(WW2era)Could yours be one that was painted and someone removed the paint?

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   New Departure Rear Hub Question posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/27/2001 at 9:53:53 PM
A character from Ian Rands "Atlas Shrugged" perhaps
What are you talking about? She doesn't mention bicycle coaster brakes in the book, not that I know of.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   New Departure Rear Hub Question posted by Vindicator on 12/27/2001 at 10:13:25 PM
While it's nice to see some folks here are a tad bit cultered, Chris... it's Ayn Rand.

I was being a weisenhiemer!

   Ayn (not Ian) Rand posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/28/2001 at 5:09:06 PM
You're right. Ayn. I knew that, I just didn't get that up in type. And some of you thought I talk too much. Sheesh!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   New Departure Rear Hub Question posted by cad on 12/29/2001 at 5:10:57 PM
cadmium plating is a flat/ dull silver metal finish used on late nd hubs

AGE / VALUE:   Old Challenger posted by: Thomas on 12/23/2001 at 4:18:04 PM
I have recieved a old Challenger bike for a gift and would like to find out about it. I plan on restoring so I would like to know who made it etc. The plate on the front is so faded I can't read it but the gas tank part of the center fram has a eagle design with the word Challenger as does the chain guard it is red with wrap around fenders and a white seat
any help would be great!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Old Challenger posted by Jeff on 12/24/2001 at 12:15:00 AM
There were a lot of BF Goodrich badged Schwinn DX's with Challenger graphics on the tanks. If you search the web or eBay for a Schwinn DX you should be able to find a good picture of one to see if this is what you have.

WANTED:   Early 60's Goodyear, 26" - boy's posted by: Mike on 12/23/2001 at 5:09:31 AM
I would really like to find my childhood bike.
It was red, sold by the Goodyear store(I think it was marked Goodyear on the tank),had a white plastic bell button on right side of tank, round front light mounted in center of h/b, white grips, red rear buddy rack, chrome fenders(I think), and it came with red/white/blue streamers on the grips. The handlebars had a neat "curve" to them, not straight like most bikes. The tank was kind of big and bulky(not triangular). The tank and frame looked like a Columbia Deluxe I recently saw, but I don't remember any Columbia markings on my bike. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I would at least like to see a picture of one again.

   RE:WANTED:   Early 60's Goodyear, 26 posted by Joel on 12/23/2001 at 4:43:30 PM
Columbia (and others) made bikes for Goodyear. Do you have a picture of your bike? Do you remember what year it was? You can find pictures of Columbia bikes at this site, on Ebay, and www.nostalgic.net and lots of other sites. There are also some new reproduction Columbia bikes around.

   RE:WANTED:   Early 60's Goodyear, 26 posted by Jimbo Jones on 12/30/2001 at 4:54:57 AM
I beleive that their is one on ebay exactly as you described.

BALLOON:   Canadian Tires posted by: Quinn on 12/22/2001 at 7:58:29 PM
I need some help with a 1950's ballon tire cruiser I am fixing. The tires were rotten when I started this project, so I am trying to find whitewalls. The rim is stamped;" V160 Made in Canada 26x1 1/2 F12". Any ideas who would carry such an obscure tire? (new or used) Thanks!

   RE:BALLOON:   Canadian Tires posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/22/2001 at 10:12:29 PM
See Sheldon Brown's "tire and rim chart" Ask Sheldon he knows!
Schwinn dealers may have a set of this size in stock as a bike came out awhile ago that just happened to use this size. Its a modern metric size that happens to also be 26 X 1 1/2
Still, it's easier to check with Sheldon who sells all sorts of tires and Sheldon's motto is "Hard to find parts shipped worldwide"
He knows and almost certainly can get it!

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Canadian Tires posted by Gary M on 12/23/2001 at 7:56:19 AM
I have some 26x 1 1/2 tires new here, import cheapies $10 ea

   RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   Canadian Tires posted by Quinn on 12/23/2001 at 4:05:25 PM
Thanks for you offer! However, a standard 26 inch tire will not fit this rim, they are too small. I have been told the Canadian rim is different because it is metric. Thanks anyways!

   RE:BALLOON:   Canadian Tires posted by sam on 12/23/2001 at 6:44:40 PM
Quinn,go to the English roadester group and look for Edward he might be able to help with this.And Christopher is right ,Sheldon would be a good chose too.I have one wheel and tire in this size so there still made I think.---Sam

   they are METRIC posted by Gary M on 12/23/2001 at 10:02:08 PM
Forget about it. i will keep them

   RE:they are METRIC , but that shouldn't scare you! posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/26/2001 at 8:41:17 PM
Having gone all thru almost all of Canada and gone thru almost every shop short of plundering Rome itself( Lazy Walker, I never got up that far, I bought up inventory before they got the chance, I got in the way of 'em but I never got to see or plunder their stash!) I have been made well aware of the Canadian sizes of bicycle tires that mimic the British sizes. If you take this up with Sheldon Brown he can help you. It's up to you, I'm just saying that he's aware of the Canadian tires and if he doesn't have them on hand he can get them for you or referr you to somebody who has these. It sounds like you have already tried and gotten fustrated. I know, I have been there and I remember it drove me batty but it's not impossible to find them. If any one of us is going to stump the Professor(Sheldon Brown) is is not going to be over any obscure tire, Canadian or not! I wish I knew of Sheldon a few years back when I was shop hopping in Canada.

   RE:RE:Bike shop cowboy (What did ya git?) posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/29/2001 at 6:37:02 PM
I didn't even want the stuff, but when he said "They're gonna beat you to it and you'll kick yourself later." I moved in, real quick like! Plus the thought of these fellows walking thru my hallowed stomping ground and buying up who knows what else while they were there? I swooped in hours before. Still,my viking longboat filled with my minions buying up rod brake parts and bikes never docked at Lazywalkers door. My record of vintage shop plundering is incomplete!
I had a lead onto a vintage Indian motorcycle, ( I swallowed it whole) a huge longtime collector fell into my clutches and that took time to devour. So my resources were tied up at the time.

AGE / VALUE:   Clombia clipper? posted by: eva on 12/21/2001 at 2:44:09 PM
I recently bought a bike that has Columbia Clipper stickers on it. It is a 26 in ballon tire bike. I cant find it on the columbia ser. # data base. The serial # is 8 083 0984. With an additional #08571. as a matter of fact I can't find any data base that has serial #'s like that. If anyone can shed some like it would be appreciated.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Clombia clipper? posted by goob on 12/24/2001 at 3:07:39 AM
that looks more like a patent number rather than a serial number.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Clombia clipper? posted by guido on 12/26/2001 at 9:38:48 PM
Needs one more digit to be a patent number

BALLOON:   Woodstock Hornet posted by: Greg on 12/21/2001 at 11:59:13 AM
I recently purchased a 1951 Schwinn Hornet in 'good' condition. It seems as though the bike had been used for more than delivering newspapers, when I opened the tank, inside was found $67.00 in cash and a bag of marijuana which appeared to be about 30 years old!The money was dated 1963 & will be spent on the bike, the bag got flushed. My cycle question is - what is the correct headlight for a '51 Hornet, the Delta Rocket Ray or the Delta torpedo shaped style? was any other type of light original to this bike?

   RE:BALLOON:   Woodstock Hornet posted by Cal on 12/21/2001 at 12:32:16 PM
Great story! I've always wondered if I'd find something inside an old tank. I know a guy who found some old Matchbox cars (or some similar brand) in a 1950's Columbia tank. The were wrapped in an old newspaper.

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Woodstock Hornet posted by Cal on 12/21/2001 at 12:34:39 PM
Oh yeah, there's a 1951 Hornet in the picture database. Check out the headlight.

   RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:unpleasent surprise posted by Chris on 12/21/2001 at 6:26:41 PM
When I got a look at an old black Raleigh 3 speed and started collecting them I never dreamed where it would take me.
I picked up 3 speeds when 10 speeds were the new thing. I got many parts cheap and many times for free because the shops were heaving out so all kinds of old things. I learned, had great fun, made friends and when I get my crap together, I'll be cashing it in with e- bay! People liked me and never touching drugs, alchol or any other stupid thing related, certainly helped!
I worked and rode and collected. Years ago,I read a book called: David Tooma tells it straight about Drugs.( The guy played a part on T.V.'S Baretta before actor Robert Blake. In the book, theres a story about somebody who fliped out, murdered his parents, and came to in jail. He was asking the cop to call his parents and they'd get him out. He didn't know what he had done and the cop was saying that he had murdered them. He didn't know what he had done because he was under the influence, his system couldn't take it. Too much T.H.C. or whatever. His body was being run not by him but by the drugs and likely demons laughing their tails off. I remember this scaring the living snot out of me. I read a book and shook at reading this and never went near it ever, before or after reading the book. Good book by someone who had something no nonsense to teach. The book helped, it backed up/reinforced my beliefs, but I already was steering the handlebars of my life away from drugs, alcohol and sex anyways. I had my bicycle hobby, chose decent people to have for friends. Nobody ever said "Here, try this" I don't recall it happening. I would have said "No Thanks!" I went to a straight- laced school and well, just incredibly blessed because it never reared it's evil head and if it did I was too ignorant to know what it was all about anyways(exception being that book) and I was into my own things in my life. Childhood was a wonderland, a cornicopia and I wanted for nothing. "Moments of such happiness and then you grow up and your heart gets broken." Thats from "Hearts in Atlantis" but so true. It never appealed, it comes across as evil and stupid. I would rather be tinkering with my rod brake bike.
When you look at grafitti do you know what those symbols mean? I don't, never did.Still don't, except to know "it's the devils children's handwriting." as I call it. That's for the gangs and the cops who deal with this. A teacher friend went to a workshop and was telling me about it and explaining what some of the symbols mean and what you should do if you spot it someplace. I closed up my ears, and said I didn't want it in my life and didn't want to learn and that I already keep away from it. He said that was ignorant of me and I should educate myself about it. I asked Why? I didn't chose to be a cop, nothing against em, It just isn't me. Still, I suppose one should not go through life chosing to be ignorant of these things. One has to protect oneself.
Some things, I don't want to learn about though. No desire to be a pathologist either. If I wanted to know the innerworkings of the aweful underbelly of society I would go and become a judge or a cop or a lawyer. Worthy, well paying prefessions that aid society, and they get to wear the funky black robe/ uniforms and earn good money. They make good money don't they? A judge sees all sorts of crap, I don't understand how they keep from getting depressed though. Where does it say "The Good Shepard watches over His sheep" perhaps I've been a watched sheep!
I can thankfully say I've been blessed.
So this hobby with English bicycles has help to save me in a sense. I didn't fall into a bad crowd. My bike friends were much older most in their 50's 60's and 70's. Another thing, They don't "play this crap" in the U.S. Service!( They really don't tolerate it, they love the country, they recognize this drug problem is hurtful to the country that their buddies fought for and died for and they just don't tolerate it!) If you think your parents or a minister is bad you just go mentioning that you play with drugs to a recruter! Good God! They have this poster up that says "Not on my ship, not on my watch and not in my Navy!" or something like that, it's been awhile.
We heard about how the Navy didn't want this person, they came to our school. I remember the haircuts and uniforms.
I would have taken the bike right back and said "Here, Don't want it!" But then again you did the right thing perhaps? the cash was a bonus! What if somebody pulled you over and rooted throught your car and that bike? Hey! It happens! Then what? Is the person that sold you that bike gonna admit it was theirs and not yours? and is that cop gonna believe this story? Sure, Truth is stranger than fiction. But I don't think they'd believe you and does it matter when they catch you with it? All it takes is you going 4 mph over the limit or a rolled stop sigh or broken tail light. If they decide to search your car, youre in hot water. As I drive home after seeing my friends mom in the inner city nursing home all alone, without family visiting. I take a look at the corner house mansion where she and her seven children and her husband used to live. She drank, it poisoned her system, something evil got ahold of her. She drank and ruined her marriage, her kids childhood scarred,Alcohol destroyed everything, the marriage failed, she lost living in that house due to the bottle, the divorce, and "couldn't handle her freedom when she got it." That's what they told me. (You don't get to break in and access somebody else's liquor cabinet) (freedom from the marriage, I guess, not the bottle, the bottle ruined the marriage) She lost the family that to a large extent turned their back, Her "Old Man" moved on, is re -married and doesn't visit. Somebody new and diffrent is in that house now, they've fixed it up nice. Still, if this never got ahold of her and poisoned everything she would likely be living there still, and not in some care facility with dirty linens.Why does alchol do this to some and not others? Not to mention drunk driving deaths and jails busy on weekends. No, I can't think of a reason to fool with alcohol either.
I did not know this was going on in the background lives of my childhood friend. Never knew until years later when I see her now and I ask "What in the heck happened?" Crying now, doesn't undo it all. I sit and I am saddened, but others say that she brought it on herself. There's truth in that but it didn't stay with herself however. It's still a mansion with this huge private yard, she lost so much.
I think of her when I see all the bottles on the shelves at the neighborhood market.

   RE:BALLOON:   Woodstock Hornet posted by Vindicator on 12/21/2001 at 7:12:24 PM
Wow! Thirty year old Gangha!!! I wonder what that tasted/felt like! Would've been neat to sample. :-)

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Woodstock Hornet posted by Vindicator on 12/21/2001 at 7:15:31 PM
Bull$hit... Mention drugs to a recruiter and he'll start spinning up doobers. LMAO... I burned rope with my recruiter two days before I shipped out for bacic!

Jesus, protect us from your followers!

   Chris .... have mercy on us, please!!! posted by JOhn on 12/22/2001 at 12:49:50 AM
If you talk as much as you write, no woman on earth would want to come near you, high or not!

   RE:BALLOON:   Woodstock Hornet posted by YEP on 12/22/2001 at 7:09:32 AM

   RE:Mercy is granted posted by Chris on 12/22/2001 at 5:08:04 PM
Actually, I'm a better writer than a talker. Writing is easier but I've been doing too much of both lately.
The phrase "burning rope" is foreign to me. I think of regular rope like on a ship or what you climp up in gym class. Say burning and I think of it on fire. That's my mental picture.
I had to stop and think about it to understand what you are talking about and it took me a few minutes! I'm happy being so blissfully ignorant like this. Ok, I'll shut up now.

   you dont eat that $hit do you? posted by gmain@net-port.com on 12/23/2001 at 8:26:38 AM
I have done it all short of heroin, and needles. the first time you fire up, and nothing bad happens, you dont go insane, dont see spiders, you realize that the whole entire story is BS. By then you know how much you can beleive the rest of their tripe. The War on drugs was lost when it was invented. Education of the truth is the only defense that will work. Pot makes you lazy and forgetfull. cocaine makes you high as long as your nose is in it, and thats it, all you want is more, and thanks to the cops it costs a ton. so weak minded sorts resort to crime to pay for something that really only costs pennies to make. Heroin.. the horibble drug.. 1/25 as addictive as a cigarrette. priced out of this world by relentless oppressive police, costs pennies to make, legal in Holland, they have no problems. Dont think for one minute Police want to stop Drugs. Hell lots of them are users. best place to buy pot in Detroit is the City police. As long as uninformed citizens are ready to shell out tons of cash to fight a faceless, victimless personal preference, the cops will continue this stupid game. The truth, and legaliztion is the only chance we have to control it. You cannot and will not ever stop it. The biggest problem with drugs is the money that should be used to educate, Prove the truth to the people and prevent disease spreading, is handed over to stupid old men with guns that cannnot catch more then a doughnut on a good day.
then these police can hunt real criminals, instead of filling our prisons with young black males that only wanted to get high. Dont be fooled, our judicial system is in sad shape. Child molesters and rapists are let out every day to incarcerate some underpriveldged youth who had in reality maybe 30 cents worth of some chemical, and the cops say its $5,000 street value. I can promise you this.. America will NEVER wake up and smell the roses on this issue, its way too profitable, to keep them illegal, how else can you take flowers that grow anywhere and has a net cost to produce of pennies and sell it for $$,$$$$ ? Get a clue, your own Goverment is happy with this arrangement. End of Sermon

   RE:you dont eat that $hit do you? posted by VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc. at OldRoads.com on 12/24/2001 at 6:15:39 PM
Ok ya'll. Let's try to stray back on topic (bicycles), and keep it clean.


   I'm sorry Vin posted by Vindicator on 12/26/2001 at 11:22:27 AM
Humbly yours.

AGE / VALUE:   For Sale /2 ballon Tire Bikes posted by: Clarence on 12/21/2001 at 11:05:55 AM
I have a 26" mens hiawatha and a 26" womans western flyer.
They both need work.Email me for more info and pictures.I am
asking $50 each.Thanks,Clarence

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   For Sale /2 ballon Tire Bikes posted by Quinn on 12/22/2001 at 7:57:32 PM
Where do you live? Can you please e-mail some photos?,...Thnx!

BALLOON:   Schwinn Original Phantom Project posted by: Wings on 12/15/2001 at 12:00:24 AM
Anyone have any knowledge of original Phantoms?
1. Was the original bottom bracket bearing set -- in new condition -- shiny chrome or was it the nickle (?) color like we see on the older Schwinns?
2. I think the original screws and bolts were the nickle color also even when new. Am I wrong?

I rode a Phantom as a kid (horrible bike) but I do not remember the specifics on the screws and visible bottom bracket parts.

How about the kickstand? Shiny or dull?
How about the brake light -- where did the little green wire go to to activate the stop light on the brake?

I would appreciate your comments.
I have never been here before as I am always at "English Roadsters" and "Lightweights."

   RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn Original Phantom Project posted by Cal on 12/21/2001 at 12:37:49 PM
Looking at a 1954 right now.
Dull bearing cups, dull bolts, dull stand.

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn Original Phantom Project posted by Wings on 12/22/2001 at 5:07:33 AM
Thanks Cal!
Everything I have from that period is always dull BB, dull kickstand, and dull bolts! I thought so!! But, if the Anniversary Phantom is such an original copy -- they are wrong because everything is shiny!

How about the fender brackets? I think they were also dull also. Almost like they were sprayed with aluminum paint. Is that what you see?

Thanks for the help!!

   RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn Original Phantom Project posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/22/2001 at 10:06:45 PM
When the re- introduced Phantom came out, it was compared against a mint origonal. He picked apart the re-issue and critiqued it, covering every apsect.
He did an excellent job comparing the two bikes. I'm not exactly certain but I think it was a fellow named Wes Pinchot who does the cyclelock repair and I keep thinking of him as "the fender doctor" too.
Anyway, the story of the re-issued Phantom is told in the book. No Hands, The rise and fall of the the Schwinn bicycle company(underlined)
by: Judith Crown and Glenn Coleman. It's in the business section as it tells the story of the bankruptcy and re- birth of the company. Informative book, I recommend it.
The rear coaster brake has Schwinn on it, but inside it is modern and made overseas. They could not recreate the origonal beefier American made brake hub. Where that tooling wound up and is today is anybody's guess. There were legal concerns too with the brake hub, some standards or rules to meet. They were able to make it up by having a foreign company provide everything but the outer shell and that was not too difficult. The fenders on the new version, they had to work hard on it but when I look at these I can tell they are not origonal looking. Same shape, perhaps the same gauge metal too, but still kinda tinny sounding. Not exact.
Parts like the bottombracket fittings were show plated in chrome to add some p-zazz but origonal bikes had a diffrent finish here and there. I don't remember exactly,but Wess had something to say about the hardware bolts and nuts compared to the origonal and the tires.
The related companies that contributed to the origonal bike have changed and vanished. This was a diffrent time and going back proved difficult and trying and time consuming. We were lucky we got to see this happened at all, however.
I prefer to adventure at the swap meets and keep eyes peeled at yard sales and find the origonal thing.
I've been wishing for a re-issued Raleigh commuter bike but that's kinda murky and a different situation.
What country was the origonal Schwinn S- 2 bicycle rim tooling found in? Where did Schwinn find it and get it back so they could make the rims again?
I forget, but the answer is in the No Hands book!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn Original Phantom Project posted by Jeff on 12/24/2001 at 12:25:53 AM
The S-2 rim tooling was sent off to the Budapest, Hungary factory where the Schwinn Cruisers (Along with a lot of juvenile bikes and the Woodlands mountain bikes) were made for a year or two. In 92' (I think) you could buy a Hungarian made Schwinn cruiser with a set of single knurl S-2 rims on it.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn Original Phantom Project posted by Wings on 12/25/2001 at 3:27:07 AM
Thanks guys!
Christophere -- good to hear from you again!
I read a brief article by Wes Pinchot (fender dr.) long ago but it mentioned the areas but was not real specific. I think it was just a summary of what he found.

I do know that the S-2 rims sold by Schwinn are not flat like the old S-2 rims. I have compared that. I also know that the old crank arms were of a different shape than what Schwinn was selling as the Phantom Crank Arm. In fact the crank arm I ordered through a store from Schwinn (Several years ago) had a big "Taiwan" stamped on it where A&S and a date should be.


FOR SALE:   Boy's Monark/Silverking Gen and Girls Rollfast skip tooth. posted by: Randy on 12/14/2001 at 10:27:16 PM
Both Bikes are riders. Monark is Maroon and crean OE Paint un restored. horn in tank work, bike is complete, except for front fender lite missing. Rollfast girls skiptooth is purple and white painted and pinstripped rims all orig, best resonable ofter San Diego area Thanks

   RE:FOR SALE:   Boy's Monark/Silverking Gen and Girls Rollfast skip tooth. posted by Gary M on 12/15/2001 at 1:08:16 AM
email me when you figure out a price, and pics if you have them

   Who's the opportunist now, Gary!?! posted by Vindicator on 12/15/2001 at 4:24:17 AM
RE:AGE / VALUE: schwinn sting ray orange krate posted by Gary M on 12/12/2001 at 1:20:08 AM
Dont be fooled by "honest sounding" replies that bike could be worth up to $2000 and you can bet whoever buys it intends to resell it for profit. Put it on Ebay and let the whole world appraise it. take good pics and be honest. you will find out what its worth.

   RE:FOR SALE:   Boy's Monark/Silverking Gen and Girls Rollfast skip tooth. posted by Gary M on 12/15/2001 at 8:51:51 AM
I totally agree. the Monark Silver King is a nice peice. directly from the mouths of the Schwinn Board, not worth the price of a clean used Stingray tire. YOu StingRay guys cannnot have it both ways. Dont tell me balloon tired bikes are junk, and then come back with an inflated value. i know exactly what that Silver King is actually worth. However they arent selling well now, so its a buyers market. StingRays however are a way overinflated market, and has been in the sellers corner for years. So be my guest, you spineless anon, in fact, why dont you tell me what this Silver King is worth with your checkbook. the ladies Rollfast isnt worth anything like the Silver King should bring. But like that stingray, unless you can buy it for 1/4 of the value or less, its a pass right? Just like the gun market, the value depends on what side of the table your on. Your good stuff is junk, but my junk is good stuff. I did that gentleman a service by informing him his stingray was one of the most valuable produced, and that infuriated you. You can count on me to tell all the people that their items are valuable when its correct. Now tell me i was wrong and that Orange Krate has no value.

   RE:FOR SALE:   Boy's Monark/Silverking Gen and Girls Rollfast skip tooth. posted by Randy on 12/15/2001 at 10:22:33 AM
Well Gary; I'll have to take some poleroids of them due to flatbed scannner failure here,as far as price go,s I,m thinking $300.00 for Monark $125.00 for the rollfast, since I absolutelly can not find a picture of this bike anywhere on line, it's like it,s the only one ever built, I,ve seen many monarks but a General, head badge states General Manufactured by Monark silver king, wish I could find info to give you a better price. hey I also have a orig Krate front springer that I bought back in the 70,s when I brought my cotton picker Brand new.stored them both all these years,$45.00 for springer guy's. Help me find a picture of the Monark and I'll make you a good deal on it. Thanks Randy

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Boy's Monark/Silverking Gen and Girls Rollfast skip tooth. posted by Vindicator on 12/15/2001 at 2:13:44 PM
What's the matter Gary? You can dish it out, yet when you're fed back the same meal you regurgitate all over the place. I NEVER denied the fact that in today's market the Krate is a valuable bike. Nor, did I ever say that the Monark was as valuable. All that I did was feed your warning back to you. Both Jeff and Joel expressed interest in the bike and asked to be quoted a price. YOU busted their balls over it. You asked for a price, I in turn, busted your balls. Ergo, you can't take it RIMJOB!

As for a "spineless anon"... excuse me? I use a consistent "nick" and provide a working e-mail addy. That's more than can be said about others! What more do you want, my phone number?

Why don't you go just back to your momma's teat?

   RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Boy's Monark/Silverking Gen and Girls Rollfast skip tooth. posted by gary m on 12/15/2001 at 2:36:33 PM
guess what. your right. i generalized an issue pointed at you that isnt your fault. infact, i cannot think of any of my comments that would or should be personally aimed at you, since unless this is a new alias, i have no beef with you at all.
i considered pointing out the value to that man to be a service, basically so he wouldnt see it posted later as someone gloats over the $50 Krate he got. SO back to the Monark. They like others produced bikes for stores with the money for a minimum order, so it could be anyones Mom and Pop store that ordered 25 bikes, or an older Store chain. Is the frame an aluminum Hex tube? if it is its worth a lot more then your asking.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Boy's Monark/Silverking Gen and Girls Rollfast skip tooth. posted by Vindicator on 12/16/2001 at 8:42:12 AM
Thank you Gary.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Boy's Monark/Silverking Gen and Girls Rollfast skip tooth. posted by Randy on 12/17/2001 at 11:19:31 AM
No It's NotHex tube aluminum frame,gas welded steel, maroon and white, I sure wish I could find a picture of this pitcular bike on the net, but I've been unable to this Point, Does anyone out there Know of a Monark Expert other than Monark Man, he's E-mail address is bad at this time. any help would be Very Welcomed Randy

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Boy's Monark/Silverking Gen and Girls Rollfast skip tooth. posted by MNSmith on 12/18/2001 at 12:29:17 AM
Have you looked at www.nostalgic.net in Dave's photo archives?

BALLOON:   Western Flyer serial no. posted by: Dan on 12/14/2001 at 9:21:52 PM
Where might I look up W.F. serial no.'s. My new old bike I believe is a Western Flyer 24' boys with no headbadge, but the tires say Western Flyer (?). It has a serial no. that reads A84581 54 Cw. I suspect the Cw stands for Cleveland Welding, not sure if the last no.s 54 is correct as it's slightly worn. The bike is complete but rough, has great fenders and chaingaurd but the wheelset needs respoked, seat replaced and alot of surface rust removed. Can anyone make a guess of the year, the front chainring design looks like a hurricane symbol on the Weather Channel.

   RE:BALLOON:   Western Flyer serial no. posted by sam on 12/15/2001 at 2:34:08 PM
I have a western flyer(with badge) that's marked CW on bottom bracket.Also has what I call the modified sweethart--the harts kinda roll.this was used by Clevland welding in late 30s I think.

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Western Flyer serial no. posted by Dan on 12/15/2001 at 4:41:23 PM
"The hearts kind of roll" are you refering to the crankset design? My crankset has a wide surface area with what looks like cresent moons stamped out in a circular pattern or sort of like a hurricaine icon on a weather screen. Did the serial no.s give any clue to the year, it has New Departure hubs and is NOT a skip tooth model.

AGE / VALUE:   Far Wheeled Girls biked of unknown vintage posted by: T.H. Andrews on 12/13/2001 at 9:47:54 AM
Getting deep in my pile of bikes , i unearthed what looks like a girls schwinn. The frame and crank gear look right .The handlebars are marked schwinn and are like bull horns,wide and swept back. The upper steering head and handlebar clamp is cast rather than pressed steel. The ser.# is fo061925, or an ro061925. the first one more likely. The head badge is just a flat aluminum curved disc.Must have been a painted design in it. I cleaned , strained and sguinted and the tag says spitfire.from left lower to upper e facing tag. It has a bendix rear hub and wide painted wheels 26 inch wheels Can not tell whats on chain guard other look like a crest or somthing plus white striping in same. Did schwinn make this for sombody else? Would this bike be equiped like a fiesta ? Or with fat tires?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Far Wheeled Girls biked of unknown vintage posted by t.h. andrews on 12/13/2001 at 5:08:47 PM
as a side note on this bike the bendix hub has numbers on it,36-18 would this id the bikes vintage? Is this bike a 1949? Thanx for any help.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Far Wheeled Girls biked of unknown vintage posted by Doug on 12/13/2001 at 6:38:10 PM
I have a 48 or 9 schwinn spitfire with the oval schwinn headbadge which also says spitfire on it might be the same as yours hope this helps.my rear hub is a new departure though.

AGE / VALUE:   My Green Bike posted by: Chris on 12/11/2001 at 8:54:56 PM
I found an older middleweight bike at a garage sale two years ago. Bouught it for ten bucks. Wondering what type it is and its aproximate value. Overall condition is good; in fact, I use it as my around-town rider. Details:

Manufacture Year: 1970(?)
Make: Sears Roebuck external 5-speed (top tube shifter)
Country of Origin: Austria
Wheel Size: 27 1/4"
Rear D'rer: Campy Valentino Extra
#s on BB shell: 503.47 3663 and 4170086
Other details: GB/Altenburger brakes, ESGE/Pletscher kickstand and rear rack, chrome fenders, dual spring saddle.

Bike is all original except for tires.

Any info would be welcome. Thanks in advance.

MIDDLEWEIGHT:    posted by: Mike on 12/11/2001 at 6:33:08 AM
I wanted to know if there are any details in order to mount a skip tooth chain? Also, what the best thing to do to preserve original paint....wax, clearcoat, etc?

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:    posted by MNSmith on 12/11/2001 at 9:47:57 PM
All you'll need to use a skip tooth chain is a 1" pitch chainwheel and a 1" pitch cog.

BALLOON:   Schwinn fender light posted by: Andrew on 12/10/2001 at 7:03:00 AM
Does anyone know what years this light was made (ebay #1042947874) that did not get a bid, I have not seen this one before?

   RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn fender light posted by stev e on 12/10/2001 at 2:16:33 PM
It's a light made by EA labs. Nothing too unusual or rare.

It appears to be in very good condition. However, most collectors want Delta made lights because they were standard equipment on most brands of bikes.

I'd say that this light could fit a bike made from the late 1930s to the very early 1950s.

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn fender light posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/11/2001 at 10:40:10 AM
Whatever happened to E. A. labs? Where were (or are) they? What all did they make and what non bicycle related things did they make?
A pal of mine has this really huge E.A. pancake horn on one of his bikes. It is awesome!

   RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn fender light posted by bike on 12/22/2001 at 8:37:05 AM
That light was made by Seiss, not EA.

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn fender light posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/22/2001 at 5:45:40 PM
Yea! Seiss too! What happened to them? When did they go out of business? Did they merge or are they making something today that is totally un related to bikes?
Where are the drawings, patterns, tooling equipment? Former owners or employees of Seiss? I want to find it and knock out new, old style Seiss lights, horns,Old sirens would be cool!
Ok, back to reality!