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MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Spaceliner Designer posted by: Tom Findley on 2/13/2001 at 9:24:59 AM
Here is an article about Viktor Schrenkengost:


He is the man who designed the Sear Spaceliner. He is now 94 and teaching classes at the Cleveland Institute of Art.

The restorers around Cleveland ought to have a bike show and picnic with emphasis on the Spaceliner, and invite Mr. Schrenckengost to attend. If you would like to write a fan/appreciation letter, send it to :

Cleveland Institute of Art
Viktor Schrenkengost, Spaceliner Designer
11141 Eat Boulevard
Cleveland, OH 44106

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Spaceliner Designer posted by YIKES! 11141 EAST BOULEVARD on 2/13/2001 at 9:34:49 AM

   Nice hunting, Tom posted by Mike Stone on 2/14/2001 at 10:25:53 AM
Neat information on the designer of the Spaceliner and other Murray space-age designs. Wow, 35 years at Murray!

I would like to see the bike(s) he designed in the 1930's. They must have been art-deco.

Thank, Tom, for sharing the info.


   RE:Nice hunting, Tom posted by todjob on 2/14/2001 at 9:55:26 PM
you wat to see a cool bike find a late 30's evinrude streamflow,its like 1 notch under a bowden spacelander
i wonder if he got some insperation from these types of bicycles

   RE:RE:Nice hunting, Tom posted by where to find a photo of the Evinrude? on 2/15/2001 at 10:55:35 AM
Todjob, do you know (or does anybody know) where to go on the internet for a photo of the Evinrude '30's bike you mention?


   Evinrude Streamflow posted by Mike Stone on 2/15/2001 at 11:10:06 AM
I found a page on the Evinrude Streamflow. Check out http://www.thecabe.com/museum/10.html

I dunno... I still like the Spaceliner better, maybe because the Spaceliner has a cool tank. Still, according to the information on the above web page, the Streamflow brings a lot of money at auction ("$17,000 +")


   RE:Evinrude Streamflow posted by JimW. on 2/15/2001 at 12:04:23 PM
You're right, Mike. That Evinrude's begging for a tank. I wonder why they didn't have one on it? It would really blend that interesting front end into the rest of the bike.
If they'd had a tank, the bike would have probably brought

   RE:RE:Evinrude Streamflow posted by Mike Stone on 2/15/2001 at 8:55:36 PM
Tanks just started showing up in the mid-late '30's.

It was probably after the Streamflow was manufactured (and then recalled) that the designers said, "OOOH, we shoulda putta tank on 'er!"

You see a lot of old photos with kids on bike's without tanks. Maybe the tanks cost too much of a premium. I wonder what kid's really thought of tanks in those days. Do you think all the kid's without tanks said "Oh, I wish Pappy could afford to get me one of those machines!"

By the time I was riding bikes in the late '60's, tanks were passe'. Nobody wanted a bike with tanks by about 1968 or so. Dang, I sure like 'em now, though.



   RE:RE:RE:Evinrude Streamflow posted by BillG on 2/19/2001 at 12:14:13 PM
The Streamflow had a recall?

   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   Spaceliner Designer posted by Cam on 2/22/2001 at 6:46:48 AM
From VVVintage's For Sale page:

"Ads, Lot 3. Approx. 50 pages of ads from the 1960s and 1970s. Spaceliners, Flightliners, ..... Some of the Spaceliner ads were used in the PBS television show about Viktor Schrekenghost. "

WANTED:   Wanted tank for 64 Sears Spaceliner posted by: Darrell on 2/12/2001 at 10:57:16 PM
Wanted: Tank for boys 1964 Sears Spaceliner. The Flightliner tank will also work. This is the long skinny tank, mainly constructed of metal not the later L shaped version. Thank you.

MISC:   site update posted by: christian on 2/12/2001 at 7:19:47 PM
when you get there, hit refresh to view new contents. then update your bookmarks. thanx, christian

AGE / VALUE:   what year is my olyimpic?. posted by: del on 2/12/2001 at 5:10:50 PM
I cnnot figure out what year this olyimpic bike is serial #3d3692, the bike has a really thick oval tube rear end with a thick axle drop out . Does anybody know?.

AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Phantom posted by: Tom on 2/12/2001 at 11:30:12 AM
I have just found a Schwinn phantom frame and peddle crand with the sproket. I do not have any other of the parts. the frame had been repainted at one time but it is a solid strait frame. I was woundering about what the value of this frame is.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Phantom posted by jimmy on 2/13/2001 at 3:10:16 PM
i sold one at a swap meet for a 100.00 bucks just the frame it was a nice one hope this helps

MISC:   Sturmey archer floating hub posted by: tim on 2/12/2001 at 8:26:42 AM
I have a sturmey archer floating hub in real nice condition.
What are these things worth? It looks like the axle is set off center.

   RE:MISC:   Sturmey archer floating hub posted by JOEL on 2/12/2001 at 8:50:22 AM
I think you might mean Stewart Warner. I could use one. Please email.

   RE:MISC:   Sturmey archer floating hub posted by Tim on 2/13/2001 at 7:53:34 AM
Your right, it is a stewart warner floating hub. Sorry.

AGE / VALUE:   Speed King mystery posted by: Lou on 2/11/2001 at 7:22:20 PM
Help needed from the pros. I recently aquired a womens bicycle
that although very solid has had a paint brush makeover somewhere
in it's life. The badge on the front says:
SPEED KING, Wm Bingham, Cleveland. There may be more
information lurking under this fine paint job but I havn't a clue
as to where to look. So my question is...What is it and is
it of any value? Where can I get some restoration information?
Thanks Lou

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Speed King mystery posted by todjob on 2/14/2001 at 9:58:20 PM
look here and other sites like the cabe at their database pictures to find colors and sutch

WANTED:   Tank for men's Cleveland Welding Frame posted by: Darrell on 2/10/2001 at 10:35:33 PM
Wanted: Tank for a BOY'S 26", Cleveland Welding frame bike. I have a 1948ish Haiwatha that I'm making into a phantom, for fun type bike, not 100 point resto. I would like a tank off a Hiawatha, Hawthorne, Western Flyer, etc. can be the earlier style tank also. I also need a non-fender mounted light from the same period off any make of bike, prefer a rounded rather than torpedo type. The bike will be ridden a lot. Thanks.

   RE:WANTED:   Tank for men's Cleveland Welding Frame posted by Gordon on 2/11/2001 at 6:19:49 AM
Is the lower bar curved or straight?

   RE:WANTED:   Tank for men's Cleveland Welding Frame posted by Joel Z. on 2/11/2001 at 6:30:58 PM
Do you have the fork with the light mount? I may have a light that fits.

   RE:RE:WANTED:   Tank for men's Cleveland Welding Frame posted by jimmy on 2/11/2001 at 7:36:26 PM
if he's not interested in the light i might be email me thanks ,jimmy

BALLOON:   Chain Bike Co. posted by: Ron on 2/10/2001 at 5:52:57 AM
Anyone know about the Chain Bike Co.? I have a girls bike from 1955, the Thunderjet model.

   RE:BALLOON:   Chain Bike Co. posted by A freind on 2/12/2001 at 6:26:06 PM
Hi Ron, I got this guy's name out of the Evolution of a Bicycle vol. 2 The page number is 189 on the bottom picture. If you don't have this book, they sell it here at "old Roads". Check out the book section. The book is nice to have around, even if you have one or two bikes. There is a mens 26" Thunder Jet Custom Deluxe, Red on White. The gentlemens name is Bob Harton. He has a P.O. Box 535 Lansing, Il 60438. Maybe he can foward you the info, you need. Its worth a try.

BALLOON:   Schwinn Green Phantom posted by: Ron on 2/10/2001 at 5:44:01 AM
I have a Green Phantom that has a brass shield plate on the steering column that says Schwinn-Arnold and then a big Pullman in the center. Does anyone know if this is original? Could this be referring to "Pullman Green" and in 1951 was the name Schwinn had for this bike?

   RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn Green Phantom posted by jd on 2/11/2001 at 5:28:19 AM
Pullman was one of many names Schwinn used. I have seen these badges on several models. I'm not sure of the origion of the name. Could be one of the many companies that Schwinn aquired. Maybe someone else knows.

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn Green Phantom posted by Ron on 2/11/2001 at 8:47:22 AM
So far, I have been told it is because the bike is "Pullman Green" color, the green used on pullman's railroad cars; or, Schwinn had a fire at the factory and used pullmans's yard for making the bikes for a while.

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn Green Phantom posted by Ron on 2/11/2001 at 8:47:50 AM
So far, I have been told it is because the bike is "Pullman Green" color, the green used on pullman's railroad cars; or, Schwinn had a fire at the factory and used pullman's yard for making the bikes for a while.

   RE:RE:BALLOON:   Schwinn Green Phantom posted by Ron on 2/11/2001 at 8:48:18 AM
So far, I have been told it is because the bike is "Pullman Green" color, the green used on pullman's railroad cars; or, Schwinn had a fire at the factory and used Pullman's yard for making the bikes for a while.

MISC:   Bicycle Billboard posted by: juano on 2/9/2001 at 6:48:29 PM
The Bicycle Billboard is back up. Here's the address:
(Oldroads, love your website too!)

AGE / VALUE:   FOR SALE 24" sears chrome spaceliner posted by: chip on 2/8/2001 at 8:07:03 PM
I have an origial 24" sears chrome spaceliner in excellent shape for sale.asking $150+shipping email for pictures.

MIDDLEWEIGHT:   sturmey archer numbers posted by: jeff on 2/6/2001 at 5:21:00 PM
What do the two sets of numbers stamped into the hub shell of sturmey archer 3spd mean, the hub on our '63 schwinn racer has 11 63 stamped on it, is this the year and month? We also have a JC higgins 3spd bike,and it's hub has 11 53 stamped on it, I have been unable to identify the year of the jc higgins. it also has the SA shifter that says on it that it can be used for 3 or 4 spd.

   RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   sturmey archer numbers posted by Kevin C on 2/8/2001 at 7:23:50 PM
Yes, those are the month and year numbers.

   RE:RE:MIDDLEWEIGHT:   sturmey archer numbers posted by A freind on 2/9/2001 at 7:43:25 AM
Yes Mr.C is right. This is the year. Schwinn made it so easy.

MISC:   Farewell to the Schwinn Collector Forum posted by: Mike Stone on 2/7/2001 at 10:44:26 AM
For those who do not know, the Schwinn Collector, Restoration, and Buy, Sell, Trade forums are being shut down because of some ugliness on the sight. Who knows, maybe it will be rebuilt or maybe the whole thing is a hoax. The fact is that the Schwinn Collector Forums as we knew them are gone.

Besides general nastiness of the posts, there was at least one person who had obviously slipped into mental ill-health and was starting to post some disturbing messages. Schwinn was quick to catch a lot of them and delete them, but once a weirdo set's his/her sights, it's hard to shake them.

Sadly, the Schwinn forum deteriorated rapidly after the forum was re-opened this past summer. The new crowd was really corrosive. They didn't have much to say about bikes, but had a lot of nasty things to say to each other.

It was sad to watch as the truly knowledgeable old-timers stopped posting and the quality of the posts and the usefulness of the site ebbed. Some brilliant collectors like MNSmith (Mark Smith0 and others remained to the end, but good posts were getting too thin to be worth going back to the site.

My concern is that when the lights go out on the Schwinn forum, the cockroaches will scatter and be looking for a new home. I hope they stay away from the good legitimate forums like this one.


   RE:MISC:   Farewell to the Schwinn Collector Forum posted by Tom on 2/9/2001 at 2:19:28 PM
And to the bitter end the 2 guys who decided they must monopolize the discussions on that previously fine page still didn't get it. PLEASE don't come here! Long live BALLOONERS!

   That was a fascinating experiment in social behavior posted by Mike Stone on 2/9/2001 at 3:51:23 PM
Wasn't that fascinating! The goons that ruined the Schwinn forum kept up the nastiness even after the bar closed and the lights went off. Geez. Unbelievable.

If those guys were older than 13 years old, it would be very surprising. So much for not spanking your kids.

If they do find their way to this forum, we have to ignore them.

   RE:MISC:   Farewell to the Schwinn Collector Forum posted by Tom on 2/9/2001 at 8:28:10 PM
One of those guys claimed to be a millionaire college professor. Must have tenure! Certainly loved the sound of his own voice, figuratively.

   Really! posted by Mike Stone on 2/10/2001 at 5:10:57 AM
Is that right, Tom? Millionaire professor indeed. I actually never read most of their posts, so I don't have the details. After a couple of posts, it was obvious they were juveniles without anything interesting to say.

AGE / VALUE:   Curse of the re-pop springer fork! posted by: ChristopherRobin on 2/7/2001 at 10:35:16 AM
Take the old fork out fit the new Schwinn springer in and you just try to put that stem back in! Ah Ha It's got me!! It won't fit! This bike came to me with an English style handlebar stem. It probably was not origonal to the bike so this is why it won't fit perhaps. I'll bring it in to the shop where they will look up at me from behind the counter and wonder "Now What?" They can sell me a new stem and everything will be fine.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Curse of the re-pop springer fork! posted by ChristopherRobin on 2/7/2001 at 10:43:14 AM
It's a good quality fork, with A.S.bolts and good chrome and it was priced O.K. and I get the feeling these parts will not be available for long. I look forward to riding this bike with this springer fork. I was surprised to see this was not entirely interchangable but I do not know much about Schwinn stem's (yet)