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Archived: Balloon Tire and Middleweights

MISC:   Clevland Welding posted by: Rif Addams on 3/11/2001 at 10:06:52 AM
Does anyone know where I can find a complete history of the Clevland Welding company?
I am just doing some research to satisfy my curiosity about this company. I don't know why, but once I have a question about something I just can't let it rest until that curiosity is satisfied.
Thanks in advance for any information or help you may be able to give.

   RE:MISC:   Clevland Welding posted by Christopherrobin2@starmail.com on 3/11/2001 at 12:34:21 PM
Good Luck. I say this sibcerely and a little sarcastically. Go for it and record your findings.

   RE:MISC:   Clevland Welding posted by Kevin C. on 3/11/2001 at 4:23:32 PM
I think I would check with the Cuyuhoga(sp?) County Historical Society in Cleveland. They probably have files with information about various Cleveland businesses, past and present. The Ohio Historical Society in Columbus might be a place to check, too.

   RE:MISC:   Clevland Welding posted by sam on 3/11/2001 at 5:23:22 PM
Didn't they make roadmaster?which was bought by AMF.

   RE:MISC:   Clevland Welding posted by Steve on 3/12/2001 at 5:51:54 AM
You should be able to find out everything you want to know about Cleavland Welding by looking through old issues of American Bicyclist magazine. The library in our area has an almost complete set.

I once researched the Cleavland Welding company that way. I and found a wealth of info.

AB magazine showed many interesting photos of inside the factory. I was able to photocopy any of the pages about Cleavland Welding, but couldn't take the magazine home.

Check with your local library and they should be able to locate a collection of AB magazine somewhere in the country.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Clevland Welding posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/12/2001 at 4:29:26 PM
I was wrong, there is hope! Put together a book on this. some publication to sell at swap meets. Solve the question, Whatever happened to.... Color pictures,show all the models,delve into the obscure, go for it. I'd buy a copy!

   RE:RE:MISC:   Clevland Welding posted by Steve on 3/13/2001 at 6:25:02 AM
I almost forgot another great source of info. Contact "Bikes-R-Us". They sell color photocopies of old bike literature for a reasonable price.

You would probably be able to buy more info than you want to know.

Write to them at P.O. Box 5065, Bossier City, LA 71171, and ask for their catalog.

   RE:MISC:   Clevland Welding posted by Rif on 3/13/2001 at 10:11:26 AM
Thank you all so very much!!!
I'm getting on it right away.
This is what I'm talking about as far as the sense of comraderie and community within the hobby. No other hobby I have been involved in has had these things to this degree.
I honestly think that the people who are involved in old bikes are what make it half the fun! Sure the bikes are what bring us all together; yet there is not nearly the amount of politicing and putting on airs.
Thanks again all, not only for the information but for making this hobby the community that it is.

   I agree posted by Steve on 3/14/2001 at 6:50:54 AM
It's the people who make this hobby the best one I've seen.

AGE / VALUE:   chester cheetha bicycle posted by: kelly on 3/10/2001 at 5:18:56 PM
I have a chester cheetah bike I would like to sell. I would like to know what it is worth? It is purple with black spots,white walls, and three head lights,{one large light in the middle and two smaller lights, one on either side.} If you have any info on this type of promo bike please email me or post a message. thank you Kelly

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   chester cheetha bicycle posted by A freind on 3/11/2001 at 8:28:02 AM
Hi kelly, I know the bicycle your talking about. The 1980's 24". This bike was manufactured for Cheeto's prize giveaway by Columbia bicycles. The Frito-Lay promotional bike contest winner " It Ain't Easy Being Cheesy". This information was taken from the Evolution of The Bicycle Vol, 2. The page # is 208. You can buy this book right here on Old Rodes bicycle web site. They have the bike estimated at $400.00. Now depending on the contition of the bike this will determin the value. Another thing is, the demand for this bike by collectors. So with this in mind, I wish you luck on a possible sale, have a nice day.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   chester cheetha bicycle posted by Rif on 3/11/2001 at 10:05:07 AM
How many of those were produced? I had the opportunity to purchase one two years ago and have regreted not doing it. It's a pretty cool bike in my opinion.
I really liked the headlights and the "fishtail exhaust" styled chainguard.
I do know where there is one of the nylon "tank" bags is sitting for one of them.
Well, good luck in your search.
Cool bike,

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   chester cheetha bicycle posted by sam on 3/11/2001 at 5:17:13 PM
I see a girls model at a fle market on the way to work--though it was a lite-weight.not sure if it's all there.any interest?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   chester cheetha bicycle posted by Kelly on 3/12/2001 at 6:34:07 AM
Thank you everyone for the info so far! Kelly

AGE / VALUE:   dating a rollfast posted by: kevin on 3/10/2001 at 4:04:24 PM
i work at non-profit bicycle salvage co-op. i recently pieced together a rollfast middleweight. it has a metal head badge on it, and may have came with a tank. i'm currently piecing together a rollfast tandem. it had a chrome decal on the head tube. are there any sources for dating these things and finding more gereral info on them? any help would be greatly appreciated.

BALLOON:   New updates!! posted by: MNSmith on 3/10/2001 at 12:57:07 PM
Feel free to stop by! I have added a "Stuff for sale" page and updated some of my restoration tips.

BALLOON:   New classic bicycle web site posted by: Greg on 3/9/2001 at 5:55:57 PM
Check out www.classicriders.com. It's a new classic bicycle web site dedicated to classic original bicycles. There's a great gallery, and articles featuring cleaning, reconditioning, and detailing tips. Add it to your favorites.

Thanks, Greg

BALLOON:   Where was the frame made on 2000 Schwinn Cruiser DeLuxe 7? posted by: D. Siebert on 3/9/2001 at 2:13:10 PM
Schwinn currently sells a Black Phantom look-alike that has a 7 speed hub. I was told that the early production models (2000) of this Schwinn Cruiser DeLuxe 7 used the remaining U.S. made frames that had been manufactured for the more expensive Black Phantom replicas. Once these had been used up, Schwinn began using Taiwanese manufactured frames. I have also been told that even those with the U.S. made frame were assembled in Taiwan, and therefore have the "Made in Taiwan" label on them. Can anyone tell me how to verify whether one of these models has the U.S. made frame or the Taiwanese frame?

   RE:BALLOON:   Where was the frame made on 2000 Schwinn Cruiser DeLuxe 7? posted by Glenn P. on 3/14/2001 at 9:59:17 AM
I can do that. I own all four variations of the 2000 models of the Cruiser Deluxe 7. 2 x US male frames in Red & Black. 1 x Taiwan male frame in red. 1 x Taiwan (No us made.) Female frame in Black. (Too bad the Female frame does not include a tank.)

For the US frame 1st. Look under the crank. The serial number will start with the letter "G" parallel to the crank axis. Look at the head tube and frame welds, they will be smooth and polished. This is the '95 anniversary US Phantom frame. There are two paint variations on this frame though. The original '95 Black Phantom graphics/decals, and a graphic scheme with the later issue of the Taiwan built frames. This is mostly red with "sticker" looking striping rather than hand striping under clearcoat for the Phantom frame. I suspect that several Red/Green Phantoms were stripped and reworked for the issued series. They still have the "G" serial number parallel to the crank. These are the rare ones. I almost refused delivery of mine because of this, then got smart and made the investment for all of the models.
The Taiwan units' Male/Female frames have the serial number also located under the crank but it starts with a "T" and is at a right angle to the crank axis. Also the welds previously described, are rougher looking in appearance. (Machine welds.) The attachment under the seat for the rear fender is different too.
Either bike frame rides very well and is great to fix up. Other subtlties exist but I've listed are the major differences. The later 2001/up Cruiser Deluxe 7s use a later type of early 60s, center pivot, springer fork with a black fenderlight and black tank.

Hope this helped.


Glenn P.
Portland, Oregon

AGE / VALUE:   black hubs posted by: aaron on 3/8/2001 at 8:38:11 PM
The black victory hubs made during world war two type d new departure came off of a light wieght 1944 columbia they are in excellent condition i was wondering if these were used for balloon tire bikes as well and if so what kinds? thanks

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   black hubs posted by Sal on 3/9/2001 at 6:36:29 AM
Used on a variety of ballooners (heavy duty military and industrial as well as civilian bicycles) and some lightweights (tourist and message delivery, and again military and civilian).

In addition to bicycle collectors, military collectors are always looking for these things.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   black hubs posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/9/2001 at 9:16:52 AM
There is a name for this process, what is it?

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   black hubs posted by JimW. on 3/17/2001 at 12:14:33 PM
The name of the process is "anodizing", if the hubs are aluminum. In this process, the part is immersed in an electrolyte bath and electric current is run through it. This is very similar to electroplating, except different for aluminum, in that it is not a plating process. It builds up a layer of aluminum oxide on the surface. When it
first comes out of the anodizing tank, this oxide coating is dye-permeable. It's dyed whatever color is desired, including black. Then it's dipped into boiling water. This "closes the pores" of the oxide layer, sealing the coloration in. It's a reasonably tough coating.

MISC:   need information posted by: tracy on 3/7/2001 at 8:58:27 PM
My wife has just pulled a bike from her grandmother's shed and is trying to get it back up to par. It is a Western Flyer-Cosmic Flyer and if anyone has any information about this I would appreciate it. I believe it was probably made in the 60's or 70's. Also she is looking for a replacement saddle that is white and I havn't been able to find one on the internet.

   RE:MISC:   need information posted by Tom Findley on 3/8/2001 at 5:17:33 AM
The Cosmic Flyer was made by the Murray Bicycle Co. It was one of a series of "Jet-Age" bikes sold under the Murray, Western Auto, Sears, and maybe Firesetone names. The bikes were made from about 1960-1968. The different brands shared many of the same parts. Since the stores did not maintain stocks of spares, individual parts are hard to find. They are sometimes listed on www.ebay.com. You could have to buy a whole bike to get 1 part. Mike Stone has several of these bikes. Do a search in the archives section of this page for some things we posted about Spaceliners. There are not many Cosmic Flyers around.

   RE:RE:MISC:   need information posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/8/2001 at 4:31:09 PM
I believe that this will be going up in value. Slowly perhaps but still going up.

   RE:MISC:   need information posted by sam on 3/8/2001 at 5:07:52 PM
As Mike pointed out on one of his post Murry made some really good bikes.Many a dad bought his kid a murry made bike at Sears.And some of the hottest balloon and middleweights right now were made by murry.Some parts may be hard to find but most of the essentials are standard to all murry bikes.Can the seat be recovered?---sam

   RE:RE:MISC:   need information posted by JOEL on 3/10/2001 at 5:38:47 AM
I have a rough but recoverable seat pan that you can have if you want. It is at least similar to the orig.

FOR SALE:   40's JC Higgins & 50's BF Goodrich (Schwinn)Debutante posted by: Bill Ward on 3/7/2001 at 8:34:59 AM
Late 40's JC Higgins- with horn cage tank, front strut bars and rear rack which is missing the screw on lens for the rear battery light. Some surface rust showing through the blue/white paint, rusty rims. Alloy rear hub with ridges in the center. Original hand bars and seat, but needs recovering. Make offer

Early 50's BF Goodrich (Sears) Debutante. Horn cage tank and rear rack, front light is missing and front fender has some dents were the strut bars were pushed against it. Green/White paint looks like it would rub out okay, rims are okay, decals still on bike and good. Seat may have been replaced I don't know what they started with. Still has good hand grips that have Schwinn written on them. Very restorable. Please make offer I have no idea what they are worth.

BALLOON:   Headset Size posted by: Adam on 3/6/2001 at 1:06:30 PM
I have a 51 womans cruiser frame (S# H002756). I bought a 1"
Schwinn headset for it assuming that was the proper size.
Well, it's way too small. The headset I purchased has a 30mm
crownrace O.D., I think thats fairly standard. The head tube
on the frame has an I.D. of about 32mm to 33mm. Could someone
tell me what size headset I need to look for, or if there
are any special considerations for this type frame?

   RE:BALLOON:   Whoops posted by Adam on 3/6/2001 at 1:23:21 PM
Why did I even bother reading this message before submitting
it. It should say 30mm cup O.D. not crownrace, duh.

FOR SALE:   F/S NOS MIP Murray Astroliner/Flightliner Cguard - Chrome posted by: Matt on 3/6/2001 at 11:14:22 AM
F/S NOS MIP Murray Astroliner/Flightliner Cguard - Chrome, asking $22.50 plus shipping.

FOR SALE:   50 to 75 bikes posted by: Chris O. on 3/5/2001 at 8:15:15 PM
western flyers,shelby,jchiggens,schwinn,cresent,columbia,to name a few. 5 of them are pre war. they range from the 30s to early 70s will take $1500.00 for all.

AGE / VALUE:   SCHWINN SPEEDSTER posted by: Kevin on 3/5/2001 at 5:32:28 PM
Hi. I recently purchased an extremely nice 74 Schwinn Speedster in Flamboyant Red. She's a beauty ! I just saw a twin to this bike sell on eBay for $117 plus dollars. What's the attraction to these bikes? I had a Breeze this fall, complete with generator / light kit on it that only brought $40. Does the fact that it's a man's bike justify the difference in price ? Any insight would be great. Thank you, Kevin

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   SCHWINN SPEEDSTER posted by My .02 on 3/5/2001 at 6:12:20 PM
Yes. Most bike collectors are guys, and we all remember how "uncool" it was as a kid to show up on a "girl's bike" (and we haven't outgrown it yet). I hate to say this but a lot of guys look at a girl's frame bike as a potential parts donor. A year or two ago Speedsters, Collegiates, Racers, etc weren't taken too seriously. But as a lot of people who were attracted to this hobby by musclebikes start looking for riders that are more their size... I suspect they'll go up in value. Especially the taller frame size bikes!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   SCHWINN SPEEDSTER posted by Kevin on 3/5/2001 at 6:42:00 PM
Hi. To the comment that popped up " Schwinn Speedster my handlebars " I was in no way stating anything bad about the bike. I was simply wondering why the sudden interest. I think the bike is a very nice item, and it sure looks good in my collection. To be quite honest, the Breeze was a lot nicer to look at and a lot easier to ride. That's too bad girls bikes are being parted out as they are usually original and sometimes mint. As for both the Speedster and Breeze, they both have that great SA speed rear. I love the sound of them, and clicking through the gears. Kevin

   Collectors of girls' bikes posted by Martha Hardcastle Guthrie on 3/6/2001 at 10:38:47 AM
I am a female collector of girls'/womens' Schwinn bicycles. I am hoping to put a page up soon devoted to girls' rides. I own a 1967 Slik Chik Sky Blue 3-speed, a 1968 Violet Starlet III and a early 1990s model purple 18-speed Hurricane. If anyone else would like to participate in such a site, let me know.


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   SCHWINN SPEEDSTER posted by JOEL on 3/6/2001 at 12:37:15 PM
I like Speedsters. In the right color, with the right equipment, they are good looking bikes. And when the supply runs low, I'll bet people will be paying more than $115 for them. There's a red one that I see around town with a Miller light and leather tool bag that always catches my eye.

MARTHA... I'm glad someone is doing a girl's bike site. It seems like lots more women are getting into the hobby lately. There needs to be more information out there.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   SCHWINN SPEEDSTER posted by rd on 3/7/2001 at 6:17:19 PM
I think you will find the reason girl bikes are used for parts is there are a lot more of them. Boys rode teir bikes hard and took the fenders off to make them look kool so its more rare to find a complete mens bike.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   SCHWINN SPEEDSTER posted by Oscar the Speedster on 3/8/2001 at 2:15:30 PM
There is nothing fancy or "collectable" about Speedsters. That being said, I love my Speedster. No nonsense and great looks without having to be dolled up. It was something of a bottom line bike for 70's upright Schwinns. (That's why my parents bought me mine. My sister had a Breeze. My brother had a cool red middleweight Typhoon with a light and racks, but he was the oldest.)

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   SCHWINN SPEEDSTER posted by kevin on 3/10/2001 at 3:58:21 PM
hi, kevin...
i also have a speedster, but it is quite different than yours. mine is a blue '59 with 26x1 3/4 middleweight tires, a cantilever frame, and a bendix coaster. i know someone who has a 26x1 3/8 speedster with a factback frame. i don't know the value of yours or mine in dollars, as i'm not a collector, but as an around-town cruise, it's priceless.
pedal happily.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   SCHWINN SPEEDSTER posted by aaron on 3/11/2001 at 8:09:08 PM
i have a schwinn speedster from 1961, it is red with chrome fenders. the bike is a mid-wieght and has the cantilever frame. i ride mine all the time but one of my friends believes that the head badge is not original. the head badge has a plastic cover and a shiny silver pattern around the usual word SCHWINN. it is kinda reflective. is this original? and what would this type of head badge be called?

AGE / VALUE:   old rusty frames to sell posted by: aaron on 3/4/2001 at 4:44:19 PM
if anyone is in the Oshkosh wisconsin area and wants any of the following for $5.00 each please e- mail this address only (its just a friends address) or if anyone can tell about any of the following
1. an Evans made in michigan boys 24 inch balloon tire frame all original paint, some barn rust
2. a 24 inch boys Western flyer balloon tire frame made in germany with sprocket, fork, rusty paint but original
3. a 24 inch boys rusty frame balloon tire frame, seat post and rusty unreadable head badge
4. a 24 inch mens balloon frame with bent sprocket, and rusty handle bars, frame rusty
5. a 26 inch 1950s Monark mens frame with fork, very rusty and a dangerous crack in frame must be welded
i would be willing to sell it all for $15.00

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   old rusty frames to sell posted by aaron on 3/4/2001 at 5:02:40 PM
the address is venusstarr@hotmail.com

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   old rusty frames to sell posted by JOSH on 3/7/2001 at 3:17:52 PM
I would be intrested in the bikes.
How bad is the crack in the 26 inch bike frame?
I would be intrested in getting all of the bikes i live in Appleton WI.


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   old rusty frames to sell posted by aaron on 3/8/2001 at 8:36:04 PM
josh, the crack is by the seat post, it is a welding crack, you would need a welder to fix this but it is fixable. the other frames are ok some rust on a few though. all of them for $15.00 its yours e-mail me at my new address sprockets79@yahoo.com and you can see them whenever thanks.

MISC:   Well, that was different... posted by: Rif Addams on 3/4/2001 at 9:10:20 AM
I am happy to report that I did not lose any bikes, parts, or equipment during the lovely little earthquake we had here in my corner of the world.
My bikes didn't even fall over! nothing fell off of the walls or shelves.
My house and other property fared equally well.
I am still very jumpy and nervous, but that should pass too.
On a different note, my 1957 Huffy model # 2650 boys Customliner Deluxe is coming along very nicely.
I only have a few more parts to locate/fabricate. Then it's a complete disassembley for repaint and decals.
Now I realize these have little value to anyone.
That's fine. It keeps them affordable for persons like myself! :-}
Just like in the eighties when I was collecting Plymouth Valiants. No one wanted them back then and I could pick them up for next to nothing and make a nice little ride out of them.
Well take care all,

   RE:MISC:   Well, that was different... posted by rd on 3/4/2001 at 4:41:27 PM
You know everything don't have to be about money does it? take care and love the bike.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Well, that was different... posted by Sal on 3/5/2001 at 6:15:58 AM
Glad to hear you and your bikes are ok.

On the subject of value, I'm like you. I'd get the same enjoyment riding a Huffy Customliner as I could riding a Schwinn Phantom.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Well, that was different... posted by Rif on 3/5/2001 at 10:45:52 PM
That's what I mean... a cool old bike is a cool old bike to me. They all please me, and the name makes no difference. Sure, Huffy bikes aren't at the same level of construction as some; but it's still a kick in the pants to parade around on!
Take it easy,

   RE:RE:MISC:   Well, that was different... posted by A freind on 3/6/2001 at 8:49:32 AM
I agree RD, it dosen't always have to be about the money. But, our world works around the almighty dollar. So its up to you to find good people who share your veiws on this issue. No matter what you try to do, you are going to spend a little or alot. And this depends on how much you know. Lets say you need a rim laced and trued at the local bike shop. Or do you know how to do this operation? The more you have to farm out to others, to do something you may not know your self, you are going to spend more than the guy who takes on the job himself. See I am speaking for myself aswell. So I am not pin pointing you out. Another thing is, the more you know, the less you spend. So with that in mind you can make the dallor hauler in your favor, and only spend what is nessesary, and no more! This way the only spending your going to do, is on the bike you ride, and built with your hands and ideas. I feel at times the money thing takes the fun out of it all. So I agree that the bicycle is meant to have fun, isn't it?

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Well, that was different... posted by rd on 3/8/2001 at 6:13:37 PM
I farm nothing out but crome work.

   RE:MISC:   Well, that was different... posted by Jack on 3/8/2001 at 8:18:16 PM
I do not like vultures. However, I will ask this question every time I see a discussion of value and the ruination of the hobby by high prices: Everyone is quick to complain about the cost of stuff and talk about their refusal to pay high prices. So...WILL ANY OF YOU OUT THERE SELL A BIKE FOR "GARAGE SALE" PRICE WHEN YOU KNOW SOMEONE WILL PAY YOU HANDSOMELY? Sorry, but I didn't think so.

   Searching for the factorys,people who made the things, the cycles themselves, parts, paint, e.t.c. posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/9/2001 at 9:36:23 AM
It is like the earth opened up and swallowed it all up and closed tight again leaving hardly a trace.